Quoted: Quoted: Clone a few and turn them loose on the Iranians. That would make great TV! Even Iran could waste a T-rex pretty fast... tank rounds or even a ZSU-23-4 would bring 'em down pretty fast...

Thats why we should ensure that the only thing the Iranian's have is an M7 Bayonet.

Quoted: Quoted: I don't get the ><8000 years thing. What is that in reference to? You need your ARFCOM card revoked..... You know about get both, nuke from orbit, kool-aid, but not about the creationist view that the earth is 4500 years old. From now on click on those 10 pagers............

This is a cut and paste, but this is were the biblical date of the earth comes from.

James Ussher (1581–1656) was Archbishop of Armagh, the highest position in the Irish Anglican Church, a product of the Reformation in England.  He was also a noted historian and Hebrew scholar, highly regarded throughout Britain, both by kings and revolutionaries.  In 1650 and 1654 he published his magnum opus, The Annals of the World,1 a 1,300-page tome in Latin on a history of the world covering every major event from the time of Creation to AD 70.  In this, he calculated the date of creation at 23 October 4004 BC, and this is what he is best known for today.

Ussher’s creation date has become a figure of fun.  However, it is a well-kept secret that some great scientists also calculated creation dates very close to Ussher’s. For example, Johannes Kepler (1571–1630), who formulated the laws of planetary motion, calculated a creation date of 3992 BC. Also, Sir Isaac Newton (1643–1727) is widely regarded as the greatest scientist of all time, but he wrote more on biblical history, and vigorously defended a creation about 4,000 BC.


Note, it's 4004 B.C. not 4500 years old.

On the subject at hand, 70 million year old soft tissue. Come on, don't any of you question your faith in evolution? You say creationist's have way out idea's.

Quoted: If the dinosaurs end up cloned and roaming this earth,  their first mission will be to eat the hardcore creationists.   Except that they're probably inedible. CJ

This hardcore creationist has enough firepower to turn a T-rex into a gooey gelatinous mass.

Suck on that, lizzard boy....

"Dis house sho' gone crazy....."

Quoted: Cool if its real, though.

It would be VERY cool.

It would be awesome to compare the T-rex DNA to modern day reptiles.

Quoted:
"Dis house sho' gone crazy....."



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Tru dat.

Looks real.

The dino experts cited in the story are real and the story is on tons of news sites. It does sound a little bit fishy, especially the part where they say to start breaking open T-rex bones. Sounds like something a prankster would do and then laugh at the idiot scientists who ruin their fossils. The date is also a little too close to April Fools.

If it is a joke, it's very detailed.

I would love to see a walking T Rex... from a safe distance!    

If we do clone T-rex monsters, then clearly we have an opportunity to have some T-rex steaks.

Now I don't know about you, but I would love to take a bite of one of the most ferocious preadators of all time.

I would be happy to shoot the T-rex.....but some other poor bastard is going to have to gut it.

I want to be the first to hunt one.  Maybe they would be good for boarder security as well

I can see it now: T Rex's become commonly available in the future.   The race is on to get one as a pet, arguments start about them being cute and cuddly, everyone forgets about pit bulls....  

Wow! Aren't you a little early, April 1st is tomorrow!!

Quoted: Quoted: sweet, thats sweeeeeeet, id love a clone of the thing, itd be the best animal at the zoo EVER Yeah, cause no one ever had that idea before, and look how THAT turned out... universe-review.ca/I10-57-JurassicPark.jpg Then again, this could be entertaining: x11.putfile.com/3/8904434780.jpg

Dude, that was a libby-commo-pinker of a movie.

Quoted: Quoted: so now i may have to worry about cloned dinosaurs as well as zombies????  when will it end?!?! If a cloned t-rex eats a ZOMBIE, does that make it a cloned Trex Zombie?!

Yikes, what is the best ammo for cloned zombie t-rexes??? Who has it on sale?

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: sweet, thats sweeeeeeet, id love a clone of the thing, itd be the best animal at the zoo EVER Yeah, cause no one ever had that idea before, and look how THAT turned out... universe-review.ca/I10-57-JurassicPark.jpg Then again, this could be entertaining: x11.putfile.com/3/8904434780.jpg Dude, that was a libby-commo-pinker of a movie.

It never ceases to amaze me the bullshit that some on here spew.  Pretty soon, everything is gonna be a libby-commo-pinker whatever and that we should avoid it.

I am going to go and buy a Leatherman today, just to spite you.

Quoted: Quoted: Clone a few and turn them loose on the Iranians. That would make great TV! Even Iran could waste a T-rex pretty fast... tank rounds or even a ZSU-23-4 would bring 'em down pretty fast...

Not if you release several hundred in a populated area.  

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: sweet, thats sweeeeeeet, id love a clone of the thing, itd be the best animal at the zoo EVER Yeah, cause no one ever had that idea before, and look how THAT turned out... universe-review.ca/I10-57-JurassicPark.jpg Then again, this could be entertaining: x11.putfile.com/3/8904434780.jpg Dude, that was a libby-commo-pinker of a movie. It never ceases to amaze me the bullshit that some on here spew.  Pretty soon, everything is gonna be a libby-commo-pinker whatever and that we should avoid it. I am going to go and buy a Leatherman today, just to spite you.

You BASTARD!

ETA: Have you watched the movie lately? It didn't bother you when the Jeff Goldblum character went off on his tirades about not messing with nature and there are too many variable for us lowly humans to control. Yadda Yadda Yadda...

Hey, don't get me started on JP2 or Terminator 2.

The T-Rex could have possibly even breathed fire....

If you examine  the tales from medieval Europe about knights battling fire breathing dragons, the t-rex would fit the bill.

Scientists have never figured out why the t-rex has a HUGE head, but a very small brain.  The bones in the head are hollow, almost as if able to hold a chemical mixture.

Take a look at the physiology of the bombidier beetle and tell me it is not possible...

The beetle has 2 chemicals in 2 chambers that when aggitated, the beetle releases them as a defensive measure and the chemicals combined produce a caustic substance that burns.

Quoted: ...dinos were only created >8k years ago anyway.

Popcorn time.

Quoted: Quoted: ...dinos were only created >8k years ago anyway. Popcorn time.

Is he serious?

Quoted: ...Is he serious?

It makes no difference as far as I can tell.

funny.



mmmm popcorn

Quoted: Quoted: ...Is he serious? It makes no difference as far as I can tell.

I don't have any popcorn.

Quoted: I want to be the first to hunt one.  Maybe they would be good for boarder security as well

+1

This is great! Next year this time we'll be able to get T-Rex Jerky at the gunshows!

Easy kids.  There's a loooonnnngggg way between some gross cellular structure surviving and being able to recover very large molecules like DNA intact.  If there is anything left at all, it is probably no more than a couple hundred nucleotides long.  We're not getting any dino-zombies out of this.

However, I would think that a vehicle mounted 20mm Vulcan would be the best bet for mega-undead stopping goodness.  For a personal weapon, Barret M82A1.  You're going to need power to penetrate a skull that's three inches thick.

Oh, and IBTSS.

CO

Edit for fat-fingering.

Quoted: dinos were only created >8k years ago anyway.

I'm guessing that you went to college for neither science NOR math...

Quoted: This is great! Next year this time we'll be able to get T-Rex Jerky at the gunshows!

Yeah, and there will be Navy Seal Dinosaur hunters trying to sell you the ka-bar they used to kill the T-rex.  

Quoted: dinos were only created >8k years ago anyway.

They were indeed created GREATER THAN 8k years ago.  The article said about 70 million years ago, which of course is > 8k.  Aren't you the master of the obvious.

Finally an animal worthy of hunting.. Hurry up and clone the damn thing already!!

tag

cant wait till jurassic park the reality show comes out!!

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Time to start checking other fossils

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: that is completley belivable. dinos were only created >8k years ago anyway. Oh, now you went and did it. oh yes i went and did. its the truth!

Maybe they'll be able to carbon test it now.  And get the real date...


The real date most likely being 8-10 k years

Quoted: The T-Rex could have possibly even breathed fire.... If you examine  the tales from medieval Europe about knights battling fire breathing dragons, the t-rex would fit the bill. Scientists have never figured out why the t-rex has a HUGE head, but a very small brain.  The bones in the head are hollow, almost as if able to hold a chemical mixture. Take a look at the physiology of the bombidier beetle and tell me it is not possible... The beetle has 2 chemicals in 2 chambers that when aggitated, the beetle releases them as a defensive measure and the chemicals combined produce a caustic substance that burns. images.google.com/images?q=tbn:sMvCVNarPDqbDM:news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/420000/images/_422599_bombadier1300.jpg

I thought the theory was that T Rex was most likely a scavenger rather than predator. The huge head housed nasal cavities capable of a keen sense of smell to locate fresh kills.

this might get interesting

Wonder what T-Rex tastes like?

Quoted: Quoted: Clone a few and turn them loose on the Iranians. That would make great TV! Even Iran could waste a T-rex pretty fast... tank rounds or even a ZSU-23-4 would bring 'em down pretty fast...

You have never watched Godzilla movies, have you? Those things are indestructible!!

Quoted: Wonder what T-Rex tastes like?

It probably tasted like chicken.

Dog created man.

It's not a joke or a hoax.  I read about this in Scientific American.  It IS controversial...some scientists think the genetic material is cross-contamination.  But it might be real.
As for the YECs among us...    

Quoted: that is completley belivable. dinos were only created >8k years ago anyway.

here goes 40 pages and a lock...

you keep on believing the 8k...just go right ahead.

Quoted: Clone a few and turn them loose on the Iranians. That would make great TV!

Hell yeah, put parachutes on 'em and send them out Airborne style

Finally!  Something that would be cool to clone!

Quoted: If the dinosaurs end up cloned and roaming this earth,  their first mission will be to eat the hardcore creationists.   Except that they're probably inedible. CJ

We've already given lions, tigers, and African/South American aboriginies indigestion, why not dinosaurs.

www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CC/CC371_1.html

Claim CC371.1:
Soft, flexible tissue, complete blood vessels, and apparently intact cells were found when a Tyrannosaurus bone was broken open (Schweitzer et al. 2005). Such preservation indicates that the bones are only a few thousand years old, not millions of years.
Source:
Wieland, Carl. 2005. Still soft and stretchy. http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs2005/0325Dino_tissue.asp
Response:

  1. The reports of the soft tissue, though remarkable, have been sensationalized further. The tissues were not soft and pliable originally. The tissues were rehydrated in the process of removing the surrounding mineral components of the bone (Schweitzer et al. 2005). Moreover, it is unknown whether the soft tissues are original tissues. Fossil flexible tissues and nucleated cells have been found before in which the original material was not preserved (Stokstad 2005).

  2. The age of fossils is not determined by how well they are preserved, because preservation depends far more on factors other than age. The age of this particular bone was determined from the age of the rocks it was found in, namely, the Hell Creek Formation. This formation has been reliably dated by several independent methods (Dalrymple 2000).

  3. DNA has never been recovered from any dinosaurs nor from anything as old as them, and researchers do not expect to find DNA from these soft tissues (though they can still hope). DNA has been recovered, however, from samples much more than 10,000 years old (Poinar et al. 1998), even more than 300,000 years old (Stokstad 2003; Willerslev et al. 2003). If dinosaur fossils were as young as creationists claim, finding soft tissues in them would not be news, and recovering DNA from them should be easy enough that it would have been done by now.
Links:
Hurd, Gary S. 2005. Dino-blood redux. www.talkreason.org/articles/DinoBlood.cfm
References:

  1. Dalrymple, G. Brent. 2000. Radiometeric dating does work! Reports of the National Center for Science Education 20(3): 14-19. http://www.ncseweb.org/resources/rncse_content/vol20/6061_radiometeric_dating_does_work_12_30_1899.asp
  2. Poinar, Hendrik N. 1998. Molecular coproscopy: Dung and diet of the extinct ground sloth Nothrotheriops shastensis. Science 281: 402-406.
  3. Schweitzer, M. H., J. L. Wittmeyer, J. R. Horner, and J. K. Toporski. 2005. Soft-tissue vessels and cellular preservation in Tyrannosaurus rex. Science 307: 1952-1955.
  4. Stokstad, Erik. 2003. Ancient DNA pulled from soil. Science 300: 407.
  5. Stokstad, Erik. 2005. Tyrannosaurus rex soft tissue raises tantalizing prospects. Science 307: 1852.
  6. Willerslev, E. et al. 2003. Diverse plant and animal genetic records from Holocene and Pleistocene sediments. Science 300: 791-795.

Quoted: www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CC/CC371_1.html Claim CC371.1: Soft, flexible tissue, complete blood vessels, and apparently intact cells were found when a Tyrannosaurus bone was broken open (Schweitzer et al. 2005). Such preservation indicates that the bones are only a few thousand years old, not millions of years. Source: Wieland, Carl. 2005. Still soft and stretchy. http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs2005/0325Dino_tissue.asp Response:   1. The reports of the soft tissue, though remarkable, have been sensationalized further. The tissues were not soft and pliable originally. The tissues were rehydrated in the process of removing the surrounding mineral components of the bone (Schweitzer et al. 2005). Moreover, it is unknown whether the soft tissues are original tissues. Fossil flexible tissues and nucleated cells have been found before in which the original material was not preserved (Stokstad 2005).   2. The age of fossils is not determined by how well they are preserved, because preservation depends far more on factors other than age. The age of this particular bone was determined from the age of the rocks it was found in, namely, the Hell Creek Formation. This formation has been reliably dated by several independent methods (Dalrymple 2000).   3. DNA has never been recovered from any dinosaurs nor from anything as old as them, and researchers do not expect to find DNA from these soft tissues (though they can still hope). DNA has been recovered, however, from samples much more than 10,000 years old (Poinar et al. 1998), even more than 300,000 years old (Stokstad 2003; Willerslev et al. 2003). If dinosaur fossils were as young as creationists claim, finding soft tissues in them would not be news, and recovering DNA from them should be easy enough that it would have been done by now. Links: Hurd, Gary S. 2005. Dino-blood redux. www.talkreason.org/articles/DinoBlood.cfm References:   1. Dalrymple, G. Brent. 2000. Radiometeric dating does work! Reports of the National Center for Science Education 20(3): 14-19. http://www.ncseweb.org/resources/rncse_content/vol20/6061_radiometeric_dating_does_work_12_30_1899.asp   2. Poinar, Hendrik N. 1998. Molecular coproscopy: Dung and diet of the extinct ground sloth Nothrotheriops shastensis. Science 281: 402-406.   3. Schweitzer, M. H., J. L. Wittmeyer, J. R. Horner, and J. K. Toporski. 2005. Soft-tissue vessels and cellular preservation in Tyrannosaurus rex. Science 307: 1952-1955.   4. Stokstad, Erik. 2003. Ancient DNA pulled from soil. Science 300: 407.   5. Stokstad, Erik. 2005. Tyrannosaurus rex soft tissue raises tantalizing prospects. Science 307: 1852.   6. Willerslev, E. et al. 2003. Diverse plant and animal genetic records from Holocene and Pleistocene sediments. Science 300: 791-795.