[ARCHIVED THREAD] - SIG “ The P320. It ends today.” (Page 17 of 142)
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I made it around 1 minute in and saw that the guy is wearing gloves while flipping through papers......I can't take anything he says seriously after that. 
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Quoted: I made it around 1 minute in and saw that the guy is wearing gloves while flipping through papers......I can't take anything he says seriously after that. Quoted: I made it around 1 minute in and saw that the guy is wearing gloves while flipping through papers......I can't take anything he says seriously after that. But it's on YouTube bro! Did you hear his bio? The dude is a fucking Rockstar and totally legit! |
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Quoted: But it's on YouTube bro! Did you hear his bio? The dude is a fucking Rockstar and totally legit! Quoted: Quoted: I made it around 1 minute in and saw that the guy is wearing gloves while flipping through papers......I can't take anything he says seriously after that. But it's on YouTube bro! Did you hear his bio? The dude is a fucking Rockstar and totally legit! I'll admit I have no idea who he is. This is the description on his channel though "Former gunsmith & marketing exec. Here to meme & learn along the way"....so I can only assume he's larping. |
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Quoted: I’m asking for a friend, should he keep his 320 or trade before the value is $0. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: What is the trade value on 9mm p320 carry now? Aim Surplus has a special on 320 barrels. I’m asking for a friend, should he keep his 320 or trade before the value is $0. Value unlikely to go to $0. Taurus had a similar shake awake problem, did a giant recall, and still has a replacement program for the PT111 w/ a free G2C w/ 2 mags. SIG could reengineer their FCG, and send a replacement chassis to your LGS, would be a drop in replacement. That would cost them a lot less than Taurus spent. SIG's problem is if they do that for the civilian market, they'll have to do it for all the installed police market AND the military contract. They bid low on the Army contract for name recognition after losing to Beretta a generation ago. It's a huge black eye for the brand and a huge expense, that could possibly bankrupt them. So they're doubling down. One of the contributors - not the primary cause by any means, but a needless expense - to Remington's bankruptcy was their .17 HMR 597 recall. Prior to releasing those rifles, they hadn't tested em enough w/ production ammo, and they started blowing out magazines left & right. Remington recalled all of the .17s & replaced em w/ .22 WMRs - or gave cash refunds for less than the purchase price, which left a bad taste in folks' mouths. But to get the most money out of his 320, your buddy should sell now, b/c SIG 320 prices are unlikely to go up at this point, unless they get a subsidy from the American College of Knee Surgeons. |
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Quoted: But it's on YouTube bro! Did you hear his bio? The dude is a fucking Rockstar and totally legit! Quoted: Quoted: I made it around 1 minute in and saw that the guy is wearing gloves while flipping through papers......I can't take anything he says seriously after that. But it's on YouTube bro! Did you hear his bio? The dude is a fucking Rockstar and totally legit! Yea... they whole covered face camo thing is a somewhat particular look that's a bit... yea. That said, I buy it and think he's right. But really, the portion of the market paying any attention to any of this is tiny. None of this actually matters until contacts dry up or lawsuits start getting expensive. As usual, the ones who actully pulled shit to get here cashed their checks a long time ago. |
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Quoted: But it's on YouTube bro! Did you hear his bio? The dude is a fucking Rockstar and totally legit! Quoted: Quoted: I made it around 1 minute in and saw that the guy is wearing gloves while flipping through papers......I can't take anything he says seriously after that. But it's on YouTube bro! Did you hear his bio? The dude is a fucking Rockstar and totally legit! He’s just another goober trying to build a YouTube channel. Looking at the 15 or so videos he’s made, it appears his “guntuber larping” stuff wasn’t taking off, so he’s latched onto the Sig drama in hopes of hitting it big as a YouTube star. He even says this “whistleblower” report was written in early 2024, so over a year ago. Once again, nothing new or groundbreaking that I can see, but he’s surely trying to make it seem like it to gin up followers/views. |
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Quoted: I made it around 1 minute in and saw that the guy is wearing gloves while flipping through papers......I can't take anything he says seriously after that. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1TayAopJKjz_vspCPnAAuZ_vx5s75T8Vn/view |
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Quoted: But it's on YouTube bro! Did you hear his bio? The dude is a fucking Rockstar and totally legit! Quoted: Quoted: I made it around 1 minute in and saw that the guy is wearing gloves while flipping through papers......I can't take anything he says seriously after that. But it's on YouTube bro! Did you hear his bio? The dude is a fucking Rockstar and totally legit! Umm, that's a guy reading a paper. He didn't write it. You're overcompensating a bit. It's a little embarrassing. We get it. You like the P320 and don't think anything is wrong. |
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Quoted: Umm, that's a guy reading a paper. He didn't write it. You're overcompensating a bit. It's a little embarrassing. We get it. You like the P320 and don't think anything is wrong. Attached File |
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Quoted: Umm, that's a guy reading a paper. He didn't write it. You're overcompensating a bit. It's a little embarrassing. We get it. You like the P320 and don't think anything is wrong. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I made it around 1 minute in and saw that the guy is wearing gloves while flipping through papers......I can't take anything he says seriously after that. But it's on YouTube bro! Did you hear his bio? The dude is a fucking Rockstar and totally legit! Umm, that's a guy reading a paper. He didn't write it. You're overcompensating a bit. It's a little embarrassing. We get it. You like the P320 and don't think anything is wrong. Don't give a shit if it's embarrassing or not. I will just say this. Even the direct competitors to SIG are saying that it isn't the gun "just going off". No, not going to say names, contacts etc. You guys have fun doing internet things. |
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Quoted: Here's the report the video is sharing, if you'd like to read through it yourself in gloveless comfort. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1TayAopJKjz_vspCPnAAuZ_vx5s75T8Vn/view Quoted: Quoted: I made it around 1 minute in and saw that the guy is wearing gloves while flipping through papers......I can't take anything he says seriously after that. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1TayAopJKjz_vspCPnAAuZ_vx5s75T8Vn/view I think we have some OFTP folks posting here.  |
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Quoted: Umm, that's a guy reading a paper. He didn't write it. You're overcompensating a bit. It's a little embarrassing. We get it. You like the P320 and don't think anything is wrong. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I made it around 1 minute in and saw that the guy is wearing gloves while flipping through papers......I can't take anything he says seriously after that. But it's on YouTube bro! Did you hear his bio? The dude is a fucking Rockstar and totally legit! Umm, that's a guy reading a paper. He didn't write it. You're overcompensating a bit. It's a little embarrassing. We get it. You like the P320 and don't think anything is wrong. What's in the paper might be worth knowing, if it's presented by a tard larping as a secret operator who's even protected from paper cuts with his super tactical gloves.....it also might not be taken seriously. |
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Quoted: Don't give a shit if it's embarrassing or not. I will just say this. Even the direct competitors to SIG are saying that it isn't the gun "just going off". No, not going to say names, contacts etc. You guys have fun doing internet things. LOL I just went through the other guys armorer class. This subject did come up about the letter in the OP. There was no defending the Sig P320. He did mention about certain PD's switching to his brand from the P320 because of the issues with the platform. <----In full disclosure for those that don't know. I currently carry a P320 as mandated by my department. I do not like the weapon as issued for reasons other than the apparent safety issues. The weapon system has not had an UD at my department so far. Two malfunctions did occur in the training/transition with two different officers while shooting should prone. Blamed on cheap ammo. |
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Quoted: LOL I just went through the other guys armorer class. This subject did come up about the letter in the OP. There was no defending the Sig P320. He did mention about certain PD's switching to his brand from the P320 because of the issues with the platform. <----In full disclosure for those that don't know. I currently carry a P320 as mandated by my department. I do not like the weapon as issued for reasons other than the apparent safety issues. The weapon system has not had an UD at my department so far. Two malfunctions did occur in the training/transition with two different officers while shooting should prone. Blamed on cheap ammo. This wasn't coming from guys traveling and putting on armorers classes. I'll just leave it at that. <---- Full disclosure, I am a Glock and M&P armorer, too. ETA... I think the "statement" that SIG put out was ridiculous. |
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Quoted: Oddly enough I've gotten several emails from vendors with m17/M18 on sale today Drop in demand? I bought my M18 last year. I’d read through the long pistol forum thread documenting the issues with the platform. At that time, it seemed that the consensus was that guns built post June 2019 had incorporated revisions to the sear and safety mechanism and were safe. I bought with the manual safety thinking maybe it really was just a super easy trigger to graze and pull. I really like the feel of the M18 and it’s fun to shoot IMO. It’s just too bad the damn didn’t break on this gun prior to me shelling out $650. |
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Quoted: But really, the portion of the market paying any attention to any of this is tiny. Quoted: But really, the portion of the market paying any attention to any of this is tiny. When Sig themselves are calling attention to it via their official media channels, I'd say we're past that point. Quoted: None of this actually matters until contacts dry up or lawsuits start getting expensive. How far from this are we? The lawsuits are already piling up, and they don't seem to be getting slower. I've already seen reports of agencies dumping P320s to go to other manufacturers. How many new contracts is Sig getting for the P320? |
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Quoted: When Sig themselves are calling attention to it via their official media channels, I'd say we're past that point. How far from this are we? The lawsuits are already piling up, and they don't seem to be getting slower. I've already seen reports of agencies dumping P320s to go to other manufacturers. How many new contracts is Sig getting for the P320? I don't care what side of the "argument" you're on....we can all agree that this "marketing" idea from Sig was next level retarded. 
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Quoted: in every single metric (both real and imagined) I think the only thing the 320 has going for it, is that it's not a Glock, as that is somehow counted as a benefit to the people emotionally invested in these pistols. Quoted: Quoted: G19> in every single metric (both real and imagined) I think the only thing the 320 has going for it, is that it's not a Glock, as that is somehow counted as a benefit to the people emotionally invested in these pistols. Ruger rxm has entered the chat Attached File |
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Quoted: P320 Truth Site New IG Post https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/203509/1000018437_jpg-3489443.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/203509/1000018439_jpg-3489444.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/203509/1000018441_jpg-3489445.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/203509/1000018443_jpg-3489447.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/203509/1000018446_jpg-3489448.JPG No way. Standing behind a product mired in controversy is one thing, but using your media platforms to publicly call out a cop with his full name is some seriously trashy, low character conduct. If THAT is how Sig is going to do business, in conjunction with their other actions in the last week or so, I might be done with them entirely. I've been critical of the P320 for a while, but I have a few other Sig firearms and optics, they've been good, and I'd normally consider buying more. But if Sig is going to embrace truly scummy business practices like this, I won't be shopping their catalog anymore. |
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It'll be interesting to read the dismissal document once it comes out, but that reads a lot like they came to a settlement agreement to have the guy drop the case. |
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Quoted: Ruger rxm has entered the chat https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/339222/signal-2025-01-31-18-35-21-663_jpg-3489454.JPG Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: G19> in every single metric (both real and imagined) I think the only thing the 320 has going for it, is that it's not a Glock, as that is somehow counted as a benefit to the people emotionally invested in these pistols. Ruger rxm has entered the chat https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/339222/signal-2025-01-31-18-35-21-663_jpg-3489454.JPG |
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Quoted: "Finally I get to carry a Glock without admitting that I'm carrying a Glock because it's not a Glock! It's better. It's a Magruger." Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: G19> in every single metric (both real and imagined) I think the only thing the 320 has going for it, is that it's not a Glock, as that is somehow counted as a benefit to the people emotionally invested in these pistols. Ruger rxm has entered the chat https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/339222/signal-2025-01-31-18-35-21-663_jpg-3489454.JPG I honestly just like the way it points more, doesn't have finger groves and the optics mounting platform.
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Quoted: No way. Standing behind a product mired in controversy is one thing, but using your media platforms to publicly call out a cop with his full name is some seriously trashy, low character conduct. If THAT is how Sig is going to do business, in conjunction with their other actions in the last week or so, I might be done with them entirely. I've been critical of the P320 for a while, but I have a few other Sig firearms and optics, they've been good, and I'd normally consider buying more. But if Sig is going to embrace truly scummy business practices like this, I won't be shopping their catalog anymore. Quoted: Quoted: P320 Truth Site New IG Post https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/203509/1000018437_jpg-3489443.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/203509/1000018439_jpg-3489444.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/203509/1000018441_jpg-3489445.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/203509/1000018443_jpg-3489447.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/203509/1000018446_jpg-3489448.JPG No way. Standing behind a product mired in controversy is one thing, but using your media platforms to publicly call out a cop with his full name is some seriously trashy, low character conduct. If THAT is how Sig is going to do business, in conjunction with their other actions in the last week or so, I might be done with them entirely. I've been critical of the P320 for a while, but I have a few other Sig firearms and optics, they've been good, and I'd normally consider buying more. But if Sig is going to embrace truly scummy business practices like this, I won't be shopping their catalog anymore. Wouldn't his name have been public as part of the court docs anyway? Not saying it was right / good to call him out by name on IG....but I've always assumed if you sue a company like that your name is going to be out in the public at some point. |
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Quoted: Ruger rxm has entered the chat https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/339222/signal-2025-01-31-18-35-21-663_jpg-3489454.JPG Scrolling by the first time I thought it was a P80 Glock....I obviously didn't read what you put before the picture
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Quoted: But it's on YouTube bro! Did you hear his bio? The dude is a fucking Rockstar and totally legit! Quoted: Quoted: I made it around 1 minute in and saw that the guy is wearing gloves while flipping through papers......I can't take anything he says seriously after that. But it's on YouTube bro! Did you hear his bio? The dude is a fucking Rockstar and totally legit! That was the Bio. of the whistleblower, not the youtuber. |
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Quoted: I still chuckled when Ben Stoeger said, very nonchalantly, that he's been hit with Sig Shrapnel a few times in his classes when addressing the random Sig explosions. It happens more to some than others. I haven't been hit by Sig Shrapnel because I was behind mine when it went OOB (pre voluntary recall) and launched the extractor out the side and the mag into the floor. Didn't severely damage the pistol though my hand certainly smarted for a few minutes. Found the extractor and reassembled and it kept firing that day. I replaced all the affected parts later and haven't shot it much since then. I did send it in for the upgrade but am still hesitant to carry it. This thread pretty much seals the pistol's fate as a safe queen. |
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Quoted: No way. Standing behind a product mired in controversy is one thing, but using your media platforms to publicly call out a cop with his full name is some seriously trashy, low character conduct. If THAT is how Sig is going to do business, in conjunction with their other actions in the last week or so, I might be done with them entirely. I've been critical of the P320 for a while, but I have a few other Sig firearms and optics, they've been good, and I'd normally consider buying more. But if Sig is going to embrace truly scummy business practices like this, I won't be shopping their catalog anymore. Quoted: Quoted: P320 Truth Site New IG Post https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/203509/1000018437_jpg-3489443.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/203509/1000018439_jpg-3489444.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/203509/1000018441_jpg-3489445.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/203509/1000018443_jpg-3489447.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/203509/1000018446_jpg-3489448.JPG No way. Standing behind a product mired in controversy is one thing, but using your media platforms to publicly call out a cop with his full name is some seriously trashy, low character conduct. If THAT is how Sig is going to do business, in conjunction with their other actions in the last week or so, I might be done with them entirely. I've been critical of the P320 for a while, but I have a few other Sig firearms and optics, they've been good, and I'd normally consider buying more. But if Sig is going to embrace truly scummy business practices like this, I won't be shopping their catalog anymore. You should read about all the lawsuits their own employees file." Sexual harrasment" seems to be their middle name. |
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Quoted: Wouldn't his name have been public as part of the court docs anyway? Not saying it was right / good to call him out by name on IG....but I've always assumed if you sue a company like that your name is going to be out in the public at some point. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: P320 Truth Site New IG Post https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/203509/1000018437_jpg-3489443.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/203509/1000018439_jpg-3489444.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/203509/1000018441_jpg-3489445.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/203509/1000018443_jpg-3489447.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/203509/1000018446_jpg-3489448.JPG No way. Standing behind a product mired in controversy is one thing, but using your media platforms to publicly call out a cop with his full name is some seriously trashy, low character conduct. If THAT is how Sig is going to do business, in conjunction with their other actions in the last week or so, I might be done with them entirely. I've been critical of the P320 for a while, but I have a few other Sig firearms and optics, they've been good, and I'd normally consider buying more. But if Sig is going to embrace truly scummy business practices like this, I won't be shopping their catalog anymore. Wouldn't his name have been public as part of the court docs anyway? Not saying it was right / good to call him out by name on IG....but I've always assumed if you sue a company like that your name is going to be out in the public at some point. The part is bold is the part that matters here. Sig's marketing/PR chose to drag the guy's name publicly. |
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Quoted: The part is bold is the part that matters here. Sig's marketing/PR chose to drag the guy's name publicly. Usually the terms of a settlement drape a lot of confidentiality around them. If they settled either they explicitly removed that so Sig could do something like this or they are dancing around a lot of technicalities like "we didn't breech, it's public info you filed and dropped the case!" So I'm in agreement, it's a really shitty thing to do, especially if they're using the "dancing technicalities" rationale. I guess we know where all the DEI legal and marketing hires from the film and game industries went, since that whole "attack the customer" strategy they espoused for the last few years has worked out so well. |
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Sig posted the same trash on X. Brandon Hererra replied:
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Quoted: No way. Standing behind a product mired in controversy is one thing, but using your media platforms to publicly call out a cop with his full name is some seriously trashy, low character conduct. If THAT is how Sig is going to do business, in conjunction with their other actions in the last week or so, I might be done with them entirely. I've been critical of the P320 for a while, but I have a few other Sig firearms and optics, they've been good, and I'd normally consider buying more. But if Sig is going to embrace truly scummy business practices like this, I won't be shopping their catalog anymore. Quoted: Quoted: P320 Truth Site New IG Post https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/203509/1000018437_jpg-3489443.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/203509/1000018439_jpg-3489444.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/203509/1000018441_jpg-3489445.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/203509/1000018443_jpg-3489447.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/203509/1000018446_jpg-3489448.JPG No way. Standing behind a product mired in controversy is one thing, but using your media platforms to publicly call out a cop with his full name is some seriously trashy, low character conduct. If THAT is how Sig is going to do business, in conjunction with their other actions in the last week or so, I might be done with them entirely. I've been critical of the P320 for a while, but I have a few other Sig firearms and optics, they've been good, and I'd normally consider buying more. But if Sig is going to embrace truly scummy business practices like this, I won't be shopping their catalog anymore. |
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Quoted: The part is bold is the part that matters here. Sig's marketing/PR chose to drag the guy's name publicly. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: P320 Truth Site New IG Post https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/203509/1000018437_jpg-3489443.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/203509/1000018439_jpg-3489444.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/203509/1000018441_jpg-3489445.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/203509/1000018443_jpg-3489447.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/203509/1000018446_jpg-3489448.JPG No way. Standing behind a product mired in controversy is one thing, but using your media platforms to publicly call out a cop with his full name is some seriously trashy, low character conduct. If THAT is how Sig is going to do business, in conjunction with their other actions in the last week or so, I might be done with them entirely. I've been critical of the P320 for a while, but I have a few other Sig firearms and optics, they've been good, and I'd normally consider buying more. But if Sig is going to embrace truly scummy business practices like this, I won't be shopping their catalog anymore. Wouldn't his name have been public as part of the court docs anyway? Not saying it was right / good to call him out by name on IG....but I've always assumed if you sue a company like that your name is going to be out in the public at some point. The part is bold is the part that matters here. Sig's marketing/PR chose to drag the guy's name publicly. In general I agree….unless it’s a case where it is 100% proven a frivolous lawsuit. Like video of him finger fucking the gun then trying to get a payday. To be clear….I’m not saying that’s the case here….but in general I’m good with a company punching back against legit frivolous lawsuits. |
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Quoted: Sig posted the same trash on X. Brandon Hererra replied:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Gl8otCjXMAA96Dp?format=jpg&name=large  That memo doesn't have a date on it.The Puerto Rican suit REALLY sounds like they paid the guy off. Since his name is public, presumably some bright spark reporter/guntuber is gonna write off a PR vacay and swing around to interview him. Will be very interesting what he says - or doesn't say, from behind the wheel of his new Ferrari. I would be delighted if SIG could demonstrate that all the AD/ND reports were with a particular brand of holster, and everyone should update to this improved model of holster that will solve the issue, and then the problems just go away. It really sounds as if they can't do that. Lazy, if you would, transport yourself back to 1989, but w/ your current expertise in safety engineering. With Glock Leg becoming prevalent at the time, would that issue be acceptable by modern safety standards? |