[ARCHIVED THREAD] - SIG “ The P320. It ends today.” (Page 134 of 142)
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Quoted: makes sense Sucks for sig though  I just see posts on Reddit with ranges banning the 320 now explicitly citing the usaf incident post-charges. Seems silly when it's looking less likely that it was "magic sig go boom". Quoted: Quoted:1. Very difficult to sue the gov. 2. Nothing the USAF has done even goes into the realm of unreasonable. There was an incident, they put a hold on the use of the gun, they've charged somebody but haven't finalized a report. No judge or jury is going to award damages based on that. Sucks for sig though I just see posts on Reddit with ranges banning the 320 now explicitly citing the usaf incident post-charges. Seems silly when it's looking less likely that it was "magic sig go boom". |
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Quoted: makes sense Sucks for sig though I just see posts on Reddit with ranges banning the 320 now explicitly citing the usaf incident post-charges. Seems silly when it’s looking less likely that it was “magic sig go boom”. Because the USAF incident isn't the only questionable discharge the P320 design has had. Numerous ranges were banning it before June. I have zero sympathy for SIG. |
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Quoted:Because the USAF incident isn't the only questionable discharge the P320 design has had. Numerous ranges were banning it before June. I have zero sympathy for SIG. |
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Quoted: The way things went down with the entire incident I'm inclined to believe that it was both horseplay and an uncommanded discharge. I don't see a general suspending the use of a firearm across his entire command without a hole in the bottom of the holster. We had a lot of negligent discharges with the M9 while I was in. Many were initially blamed on the gun. Some even ended in deaths. Not once was the M9 suspended. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted:1. Very difficult to sue the gov. 2. Nothing the USAF has done even goes into the realm of unreasonable. There was an incident, they put a hold on the use of the gun, they've charged somebody but haven't finalized a report. No judge or jury is going to award damages based on that. Sucks for sig though I just see posts on Reddit with ranges banning the 320 now explicitly citing the usaf incident post-charges. Seems silly when it's looking less likely that it was "magic sig go boom". The issued holster is open at the bottom, so there's a 0% chance it had a bullet hole. |
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Quoted: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/563710/IMG_9556-3613040.jpgOpen, perhaps, but I think there may be evidence if the gun was in the holster when fired. Quoted: Quoted: The issued holster is open at the bottom, so there's a 0% chance it had a bullet hole. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/563710/IMG_9556-3613040.jpgOpen, perhaps, but I think there may be evidence if the gun was in the holster when fired. |
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Quoted: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/563710/IMG_9556-3613040.jpgOpen, perhaps, but I think there may be evidence if the gun was in the holster when fired. Quoted: Quoted: The issued holster is open at the bottom, so there's a 0% chance it had a bullet hole. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/563710/IMG_9556-3613040.jpgOpen, perhaps, but I think there may be evidence if the gun was in the holster when fired. I'd expect more residue than normal, but there's not going to be the sort of smoking hole that provides incontrovertible evidence that a pistol fired in it. If I had to guess, I'd say someone involved with the investigation is probably familiar with the buzz surrounding the P320, believed the initial statement because of that buzz (or at least didn't immediately dismiss it as impossible), and recommended the pause in use as a result. |
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Quoted: If I had to guess, I'd say someone involved with the investigation is probably familiar with the buzz surrounding the P320, believed the initial statement because of that buzz (or at least didn't immediately dismiss it as impossible), and recommended the pause in use as a result. Prudent move. |
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Quoted: Yes that happened a few weeks ago. Not sure exactly what happened if they sent them back, just sitting on them. Or stopped ordering them and ran out. Quoted: Quoted: PSA doesn't have a single P320 in stock. Guess they are no longer stocking it? Yes that happened a few weeks ago. Not sure exactly what happened if they sent them back, just sitting on them. Or stopped ordering them and ran out. I need to stop back by. A few days after they pulled them from the website I went by and they had about 10 display models in the case. I wonder what the current status is? |
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lol, did you make that? That's awesome. |
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Out fucking standing |
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Pulled from the googles...... Inspection completion: On August 25, 2025, AFGSC released a statement confirming that its inspection of 7,970 M18 handguns was complete. Issues identified: Inspections found discrepancies in 191 weapons, citing problems with component wear, the safety lever, striker assembly, and sear. These firearms were tagged for repair. Cleared for use: Despite the findings, AFGSC cleared the M18 for use, stating that a review of past weapon discharges in the command had not attributed any incidents to a weapons malfunction. Criminal investigation: The announcement also referenced a development in the criminal investigation of Airman Lovan's death. Another airman was arrested for involuntary manslaughter, false official statement, and obstruction of justice. Ongoing procedures: AFGSC has implemented "enhanced inspection procedures" for the M18, including new semi-annual reviews focusing on internal safety mechanisms. |
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That's an expensive wall hanger. Someone has to be pretty invested in this mess to want something like that. |
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Quoted: Pulled from the googles...... Quoted: Pulled from the googles...... Inspection completion: On August 25, 2025, AFGSC released a statement confirming that its inspection of 7,970 M18 handguns was complete. Issues identified: Inspections found discrepancies in 191 weapons, citing problems with component wear, the safety lever, striker assembly, and sear. These firearms were tagged for repair. Cleared for use: Despite the findings, AFGSC cleared the M18 for use, stating that a review of past weapon discharges in the command had not attributed any incidents to a weapons malfunction. Criminal investigation: The announcement also referenced a development in the criminal investigation of Airman Lovan's death. Another airman was arrested for involuntary manslaughter, false official statement, and obstruction of justice. Ongoing procedures: AFGSC has implemented "enhanced inspection procedures" for the M18, including new semi-annual reviews focusing on internal safety mechanisms. That's taken directly from this TWZ article: https://www.twz.com/land/sig-m18-pistol-returned-to-service-by-air-force-global-strike-command 191 problems in a sample size of 7,970 pistols would be a failure rate of 2.4%. Of course, we don't know the history of these individual guns or exactly what they're recording as a failure, but it's a data point of sorts. Just for fun: If Sig has produced 3.5M P320s, and that 2.4% failure rate were to apply to the whole run, we'd be looking at 84,000 units in circulation with problems. |
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Quoted: Pulled from the googles...... That would suggest a 2.3% failure rate for passing their test. Whatever that is. If I remember correctly a police department had several hundred and inspected them all and came up with a similar number. But smaller sample and they were around 3 to 4%. Personally I am not saying all P320s are defective but this and the other tests and even Wyoming Gun Projects "test" seems to show that. Only 1 that he has was so easy to get to go off with his actions. Tolerance stacking is real... |
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Quoted: I'd expect more residue than normal, but there's not going to be the sort of smoking hole that provides incontrovertible evidence that a pistol fired in it. If I had to guess, I'd say someone involved with the investigation is probably familiar with the buzz surrounding the P320, believed the initial statement because of that buzz (or at least didn't immediately dismiss it as impossible), and recommended the pause in use as a result. I have a similar-ish Safariland ALS 7TS Glock holster, and the window in the bottom of the holster doesn't align with the barrel. It partially occludes some of it. It has the appearance of having been designed to allow brass to fall out. It's not designed for (say) an extended, threaded barrel. You'd have to modify it to allow for that. |
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Quoted: I have a similar-ish Safariland ALS 7TS Glock holster, and the window in the bottom of the holster doesn't align with the barrel. It partially occludes some of it. It has the appearance of having been designed to allow brass to fall out. It's not designed for (say) an extended, threaded barrel. You'd have to modify it to allow for that. Given that AFGSC has resumed the use of their M18s, is it maybe time to give up on the idea that there was some sort of concrete proof of a pistol firing in the holster in that case? |
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Quoted: Most people, obviously not as smart as you, were not able to clearly see how simply bumping a striker fired pistol in a holster with the trigger pulled far enough back could fire by being bumped. I guess I missed all those smart folks helping clear that up early on, though, so that mystery could have been cleared up so much earlier, and time and and effort could have been spent enacting safety protocols to follow. Hopefully those with such wisdom have been tirelessly working to see why and how it may occur more frequently between differing models/manufacturers instead of focusing on just one.. Could have cleared a lot of this up much sooner… Considering that the trigger/sear mechanism is in the frame and the striker is in the slide, one might logically conclude that, when the sear/striker engagement is just short of “full pull”, that any movement between the slide and frame could easily result in the sear disengaging the striker, result in an unintentional discharge. |
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Quoted: Considering that the trigger/sear mechanism is in the frame and the striker is in the slide, one might logically conclude that, when the sear/striker engagement is just short of "full pull", that any movement between the slide and frame could easily result in the sear disengaging the striker, result in an unintentional discharge. |
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Quoted: Considering that the trigger/sear mechanism is in the frame and the striker is in the slide, one might logically conclude that, when the sear/striker engagement is just short of “full pull”, that any movement between the slide and frame could easily result in the sear disengaging the striker, result in an unintentional discharge. The P365 has a striker lock that must be pushed up to disengage it.Thats something I like about it. It wont go off with the slide out of battery. You have to pull the trigger to get it to go off and the slide must be fully forward. The P365 is a superior to the P320. I'd really like to see a P365 FUSE first hand I bet its even better because of the alloy "frame" grip our whatever its called. |
Can we haz Cease & Desist letter if we shitpost in ze German? Sig targeting forums now? TLDW: User on Swiss forum calls out a mod about SIG favoritism. SIG sends Cease & Desist letter to Swiss gun forum. Swiss gun forum publishes response - all SIG posts to be reviewed before posting, no SIG employees can post on the forum. |
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Quoted: Can we haz Cease & Desist letter if we shitpost in ze German?  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WokT8snBkOsTLDW: User on Swiss forum calls out a mod about SIG favoritism. SIG sends Cease & Desist letter to Swiss gun forum. Swiss gun forum publishes response - all SIG posts to be reviewed before posting, no SIG employees can post on the forum. How are companies still finding out about the Streisand Effect, two decades later? I'm always in a sort of awe when this many dumb people end up in leadership at the same company at the same time. It must be a nightmare of anxiety to be in middle management at Sig and have an average amount of common sense, just wondering what dumb thing the company leadership will double down on next. |
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Quoted: Sig's now trying to invoke national security to stop the release of certain findings  https://practicalshootinginsights.com/assets/images/25-08-28-01-02.png You know what I think is really going on there? A lot of the folks at "PEO Soldier" (the office responsible for programs like the ACU and MHS) have moved on, but there are a few that have been there for over a decade. One of them is a certain "Thomas Vass" who as been there in some form since 2007. He was quoted as being the program manager for the M18 pistol, and I'm not sure if that means he was in the same role for the MHS overall, or only involved post-award. Regardless, his career and reputation are likely on the line with this MHS fiasco, and he is who Sig quoted to the court in order to justify sealing that FMECA document. So when you hear that the Army wants to keep these documents sealed and/or classified, read that as Thomas Vass wants to keep these documents sealed and/or classified. From court filings: Good Morning Eric,
The Army position would be to oppose the distribution to the public of the FMECA document as it potentially reveals critical information about the handgun (design, reliability, performance, etc.). Hope this helps and let me know if you have any additional questions. Thanks, Thomas Vass APM - PM Soldier Weapons Picatinny, NJ 07806-5000 |
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Quoted: Sig's now trying to invoke national security to stop the release of certain findings https://practicalshootinginsights.com/assets/images/25-08-28-01-02.png That doesn’t seem like a super accurate description. As far as I can tell they never mention national security. Their argument seems to be that they were contractually obliged to provide that document and that the Army promised not to release it. |
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This thread finally slowed Picked up another Dagger FS-S frame in FDE from my local dealer and zero 320s and they won't take them in trade. He had some 365s.  wiggled the slide some and nobody died Attached File |
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Quoted: This thread finally slowed Picked up another Dagger FS-S frame in FDE from my local dealer and zero 320s and they won't take them in trade. He had some 365s. wiggled the slide some and nobody diedhttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/49561/IMG_2559_jpeg-3617449.JPG Well I did the opposite since I already have a few daggers, I just bought a flux raider chassis on sale for $377 to put one of my p320 into. Better use for it than it just sitting in a safe. And it does not sit in the safe because I’m scared of it. I just don’t shoot anything aside from Glocks and 1911 lately. |
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Quoted: You know what I think is really going on there? A lot of the folks at "PEO Soldier" (the office responsible for programs like the ACU and MHS) have moved on, but there are a few that have been there for over a decade. One of them is a certain "Thomas Vass" who as been there in some form since 2007. He was quoted as being the program manager for the M18 pistol, and I'm not sure if that means he was in the same role for the MHS overall, or only involved post-award. Regardless, his career and reputation are likely on the line with this MHS fiasco, and he is who Sig quoted to the court in order to justify sealing that FMECA document. So when you hear that the Army wants to keep these documents sealed and/or classified, read that as Thomas Vass wants to keep these documents sealed and/or classified. From court filings: Good Morning Eric, The Army position would be to oppose the distribution to the public of the FMECA document as it potentially reveals critical information about the handgun (design, reliability, performance, etc.). Hope this helps and let me know if you have any additional questions. Thanks, Thomas Vass APM - PM Soldier Weapons Picatinny, NJ 07806-5000 Lots of money on the line with SIG and the military, we might be watching those sweet SIG contracts sprouting wings and flying away. |
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Quoted: Buddy bought a 320 w/ a SIG optic & 2 mags for $250 at the show yesterday. Around here people are trying to sell their stock p320 pistols on ARMSLIST for pretty much msrp for some reason. Ads get removed fast but I don’t think it’s because they sell them, just takes their ad down I would think. |
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Quoted: Could have all been avoided with a boringly reliable Glock. Lots of money on the line with SIG and the military, we might be watching those sweet SIG contracts sprouting wings and flying away. I like my m18 a lot. I don’t shoot it a lot and I am not getting into a pissing match about if they are safe or dangerous to carry. But I do agree they should have just done the Glock 19x and been done with it from the start. |
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Quoted: Well I did the opposite since I already have a few daggers, I just bought a flux raider chassis on sale for $377 to put one of my p320 into. Better use for it than it just sitting in a safe. And it does not sit in the safe because I’m scared of it. I just don’t shoot anything aside from Glocks and 1911 lately. I think inside a Flux Raider is where all 320s need to end up (I ordered one in Ranger Green myself). |
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Quoted: I think inside a Flux Raider is where all 320s need to end up (I ordered one in Ranger Green myself). I got the green one too. Plan to use it as my daily bag gun. No round in chamber while in bag. My edc pistol will still be my glock 19 for now. And I am not a fan of glock unless they are modded on the grip some. But they definitely work. I have already said it here many times I don’t worry about my p320 going off, for me it’s how stupid sig has been with the way they are handling it. |
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police 1 is going the gaslighting route. https://www.police1.com/firearms/sig-sauer-p320-controversy-separating-fact-from-fiction-in-safety-claims Designed and tested to the highest standards The P320 was engineered and tested to meet or exceed the most stringent industry safety standards, including NIJ, SAAMI and MIL-STD-810G protocols. It also underwent exhaustive in-house and end-user agency testing by organizations such as the FBI and the U.S. military. Testing involved trigger performance, accuracy, metallurgical inspections, malfunction assessments and comprehensive drop testing. These protocols require any serious malfunction to trigger re-engineering and resubmission. According to SIG Sauer, no evidence has ever emerged to indicate the P320 can fire without a trigger pull. Viral videos and clickbait narratives about the Sig Sauer P320 Despite this record, social media platforms and clickbait videos continue to stir skepticism. Some claim to show P320s firing without trigger activation. Videos, however, are not scientific tests. In the era of video editing and out-of-context clips, officers and agencies should view these with a critical eye. As many officers know, there are always three sides to every story: one version, another and the truth — often somewhere in the middle. Video clips rarely tell the whole story, and claims should always be weighed against empirical data.  Sig P320 Accidental Discharge Compilation  Failed To Load Title "Not tests. Not scientific. Not repeatable. You aren't seeing this. It's just a mirage."  Chico Not Groucho: Who Ya Gonna Believe, Me or Your Own Eyes - Duck Soup - Firefly Chicolini "Who you gonna believe, me, or your own eyes!??!" |
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https://www.bigrapidsnews.com/news/article/big-rapids-dps-cites-safety-issues-sig-sauer-p320-20880988.php Big Rapids police cite safety concerns with SIG Sauer P320 The department proposes switching to Glock 45 By Cathie Crew, Staff Writer Aug 25, 2025 ... “We carry the SIG Sauer P320 and in the last three or four years it has become more of a prevalent issue with what is called ‘uncommanded discharges’ with this firearm,” Torres said. “What I mean by that is there is no touching or manipulation of the firearm in any manner, and the firearm is discharging — in some cases into other officers, into vehicles or into objects — and it is causing serious liability issues.” He said that across the country there are currently hundreds of litigation issues against the company where people have injured themselves, or that have been injured by someone else, when the weapon discharged into them or near them. County board to hold public hearing on MI Neighborhood grant The Osceola County Board of Commissioners will meet at 9 a.m., Sept. 2, in the Osceola County Administration Building at 602 Upton Ave., Reed City. Torres showed clips of videos of the firearms discharging while the officer’s hands were not on the weapon and it was still in the holster. In one video, a police officer is seen reaching into a vehicle to conduct a search when his weapon discharges. “You can see that his (the officer) hands are in the car searching the vehicle and the weapon goes off and shoots his partner behind him,” Torres said. “He is not touching the weapon in any way and there is no manipulation, and it discharges. So, you can imagine that this is kind of an issue for us. That is one of the many (incidences) that are going on around the country and police departments are getting rid of this firearm.” |
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Quoted: https://www.bigrapidsnews.com/news/article/big-rapids-dps-cites-safety-issues-sig-sauer-p320-20880988.php Big Rapids police cite safety concerns with SIG Sauer P320 The department proposes switching to Glock 45 By Cathie Crew, Staff Writer Aug 25, 2025 ... “We carry the SIG Sauer P320 and in the last three or four years it has become more of a prevalent issue with what is called ‘uncommanded discharges’ with this firearm,” Torres said. “What I mean by that is there is no touching or manipulation of the firearm in any manner, and the firearm is discharging — in some cases into other officers, into vehicles or into objects — and it is causing serious liability issues.” He said that across the country there are currently hundreds of litigation issues against the company where people have injured themselves, or that have been injured by someone else, when the weapon discharged into them or near them. County board to hold public hearing on MI Neighborhood grant The Osceola County Board of Commissioners will meet at 9 a.m., Sept. 2, in the Osceola County Administration Building at 602 Upton Ave., Reed City. Torres showed clips of videos of the firearms discharging while the officer’s hands were not on the weapon and it was still in the holster. In one video, a police officer is seen reaching into a vehicle to conduct a search when his weapon discharges. “You can see that his (the officer) hands are in the car searching the vehicle and the weapon goes off and shoots his partner behind him,” Torres said. “He is not touching the weapon in any way and there is no manipulation, and it discharges. So, you can imagine that this is kind of an issue for us. That is one of the many (incidences) that are going on around the country and police departments are getting rid of this firearm.” If you read the whole story it’s obvious the firearms trainer wants to get Glocks and red dots. He is using the bad publicity of the p320 to get money approved to buy what he wants them to have. He never mentions any issues that they personally have seen. So I’m not quite sure what the point of this story is aside from he wants to get them optics equipped Glocks. Probably from the tax payers pockets of course. I’m sure pretty much all of us would love to switch from a p320 to an optic equipped Glock if someone else was footing the bill too. |
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Quoted: I think inside a Flux Raider is where all 320s need to end up (I ordered one in Ranger Green myself). |
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Quoted: If you read the whole story it’s obvious the firearms trainer wants to get Glocks and red dots. He is using the bad publicity of the p320 to get money approved to buy what he wants them to have. He never mentions any issues that they personally have seen. So I’m not quite sure what the point of this story is aside from he wants to get them optics equipped Glocks. Probably from the tax payers pockets of course. I’m sure pretty much all of us would love to switch from a p320 to an optic equipped Glock if someone else was footing the bill too. Well if their department gets sued the taxpayers will be footing the bill as well. And maybe a dead taxpayer or officer. Sometimes you just have to do what is difficult or expensive and wait for the class action suits or refunds to come in. |
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Quoted: If you read the whole story it’s obvious the firearms trainer wants to get Glocks and red dots. He is using the bad publicity of the p320 to get money approved to buy what he wants them to have. He never mentions any issues that they personally have seen. So I’m not quite sure what the point of this story is aside from he wants to get them optics equipped Glocks. Probably from the tax payers pockets of course. I’m sure pretty much all of us would love to switch from a p320 to an optic equipped Glock if someone else was footing the bill too. Quoted: Quoted: https://www.bigrapidsnews.com/news/article/big-rapids-dps-cites-safety-issues-sig-sauer-p320-20880988.php Big Rapids police cite safety concerns with SIG Sauer P320 The department proposes switching to Glock 45 By Cathie Crew, Staff Writer Aug 25, 2025 ... “We carry the SIG Sauer P320 and in the last three or four years it has become more of a prevalent issue with what is called ‘uncommanded discharges’ with this firearm,” Torres said. “What I mean by that is there is no touching or manipulation of the firearm in any manner, and the firearm is discharging — in some cases into other officers, into vehicles or into objects — and it is causing serious liability issues.” He said that across the country there are currently hundreds of litigation issues against the company where people have injured themselves, or that have been injured by someone else, when the weapon discharged into them or near them. County board to hold public hearing on MI Neighborhood grant The Osceola County Board of Commissioners will meet at 9 a.m., Sept. 2, in the Osceola County Administration Building at 602 Upton Ave., Reed City. Torres showed clips of videos of the firearms discharging while the officer’s hands were not on the weapon and it was still in the holster. In one video, a police officer is seen reaching into a vehicle to conduct a search when his weapon discharges. “You can see that his (the officer) hands are in the car searching the vehicle and the weapon goes off and shoots his partner behind him,” Torres said. “He is not touching the weapon in any way and there is no manipulation, and it discharges. So, you can imagine that this is kind of an issue for us. That is one of the many (incidences) that are going on around the country and police departments are getting rid of this firearm.” If you read the whole story it’s obvious the firearms trainer wants to get Glocks and red dots. He is using the bad publicity of the p320 to get money approved to buy what he wants them to have. He never mentions any issues that they personally have seen. So I’m not quite sure what the point of this story is aside from he wants to get them optics equipped Glocks. Probably from the tax payers pockets of course. I’m sure pretty much all of us would love to switch from a p320 to an optic equipped Glock if someone else was footing the bill too. Torres showed clips of videos of the firearms discharging while the officer’s hands were not on the weapon and it was still in the holster. In one video, a police officer is seen reaching into a vehicle to conduct a search when his weapon discharges. “You can see that his (the officer) hands are in the car searching the vehicle and the weapon goes off and shoots his partner behind him,” Torres said. “He is not touching the weapon in any way and there is no manipulation, and it discharges. So, you can imagine that this is kind of an issue for us. And there were three options offered, only one of which was switch to glocks. |
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Quoted: Well if their department gets sued the taxpayers will be footing the bill as well. And maybe a dead taxpayer or officer. Sometimes you just have to do what is difficult or expensive and wait for the class action suits or refunds to come in. No, their insurance would foot the bill most likely. How long has that department had their p320s so far and how many incidents have they personally experienced themselves? I don’t really care what they do with their money though. I don’t live there |
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Quoted: Torres showed clips of videos of the firearms discharging while the officer’s hands were not on the weapon and it was still in the holster. In one video, a police officer is seen reaching into a vehicle to conduct a search when his weapon discharges. “You can see that his (the officer) hands are in the car searching the vehicle and the weapon goes off and shoots his partner behind him,” Torres said. “He is not touching the weapon in any way and there is no manipulation, and it discharges. So, you can imagine that this is kind of an issue for us. And there were three options offered, only one of which was switch to glocks. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: https://www.bigrapidsnews.com/news/article/big-rapids-dps-cites-safety-issues-sig-sauer-p320-20880988.php Big Rapids police cite safety concerns with SIG Sauer P320 The department proposes switching to Glock 45 By Cathie Crew, Staff Writer Aug 25, 2025 ... “We carry the SIG Sauer P320 and in the last three or four years it has become more of a prevalent issue with what is called ‘uncommanded discharges’ with this firearm,” Torres said. “What I mean by that is there is no touching or manipulation of the firearm in any manner, and the firearm is discharging — in some cases into other officers, into vehicles or into objects — and it is causing serious liability issues.” He said that across the country there are currently hundreds of litigation issues against the company where people have injured themselves, or that have been injured by someone else, when the weapon discharged into them or near them. County board to hold public hearing on MI Neighborhood grant The Osceola County Board of Commissioners will meet at 9 a.m., Sept. 2, in the Osceola County Administration Building at 602 Upton Ave., Reed City. Torres showed clips of videos of the firearms discharging while the officer’s hands were not on the weapon and it was still in the holster. In one video, a police officer is seen reaching into a vehicle to conduct a search when his weapon discharges. “You can see that his (the officer) hands are in the car searching the vehicle and the weapon goes off and shoots his partner behind him,” Torres said. “He is not touching the weapon in any way and there is no manipulation, and it discharges. So, you can imagine that this is kind of an issue for us. That is one of the many (incidences) that are going on around the country and police departments are getting rid of this firearm.” If you read the whole story it’s obvious the firearms trainer wants to get Glocks and red dots. He is using the bad publicity of the p320 to get money approved to buy what he wants them to have. He never mentions any issues that they personally have seen. So I’m not quite sure what the point of this story is aside from he wants to get them optics equipped Glocks. Probably from the tax payers pockets of course. I’m sure pretty much all of us would love to switch from a p320 to an optic equipped Glock if someone else was footing the bill too. Torres showed clips of videos of the firearms discharging while the officer’s hands were not on the weapon and it was still in the holster. In one video, a police officer is seen reaching into a vehicle to conduct a search when his weapon discharges. “You can see that his (the officer) hands are in the car searching the vehicle and the weapon goes off and shoots his partner behind him,” Torres said. “He is not touching the weapon in any way and there is no manipulation, and it discharges. So, you can imagine that this is kind of an issue for us. And there were three options offered, only one of which was switch to glocks. I am under the impression those examples he was sharing were of other departments, not his. He was using other places incidents to create fear to get new pistols in my opinion. And One of the options was to install manual safeties. But he was worried that the officers would not be able to learn to use them properly without a lot of training and reps lol. As I said, I don’t care what they do. It’s not my money |