[ARCHIVED THREAD] - SIG “ The P320. It ends today.” (Page 130 of 142)
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Quoted: Plenty for sale used  Quoted: Quoted: Not that they pulled them, that they don't have any, because every assembler at SIG is inspecting 320s, not building or sending any other guns. Just a theory... Plenty for sale used Yep. Noticed the 45 version is down to 299. Probably a great deal for fans of Israeli carry? |
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Quoted: Not that they pulled them, that they don't have any, because every assembler at SIG is inspecting 320s, not building or sending any other guns. Just a theory... Quoted: Quoted: That SIG is individually inspecting each 320? That may be true, but that doesn't impact Davidson's decision to pull all SIG firearms from their inventory. Davidson's is one of the larger firearm distributors. Not that they pulled them, that they don't have any, because every assembler at SIG is inspecting 320s, not building or sending any other guns. Just a theory... No, I posted that I'd spoken to my sales rep a couple weeks back, and that they'd pulled all the 320s from inventory. ETA: No, they just have a fucked up website. Still selling SIGs other than the 320. |
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Quoted: No, I posted that I'd spoken to my sales rep a couple weeks back, and that they'd pulled all the 320s from inventory. Now they've pulled all SIG firearms. It's not that Davidson's ran out, they've decided not to sell them. Dunno if Davidson's is just sitting on a few million of SIG firearms & intend to sell em to Every Gun Part, or if they twisted arms and got SIG to take em all back, or if they shuffled em off to one of their competitors cheap. But it's a pretty major decision on Davidson's part, and most likely a very expensive one for them. I'm impressed. They're not the cheapest distributor, but clearly they're willing to spend money on what they see as an important issue. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: That SIG is individually inspecting each 320? That may be true, but that doesn't impact Davidson's decision to pull all SIG firearms from their inventory. Davidson's is one of the larger firearm distributors. Not that they pulled them, that they don't have any, because every assembler at SIG is inspecting 320s, not building or sending any other guns. Just a theory... No, I posted that I'd spoken to my sales rep a couple weeks back, and that they'd pulled all the 320s from inventory. Now they've pulled all SIG firearms. It's not that Davidson's ran out, they've decided not to sell them. Dunno if Davidson's is just sitting on a few million of SIG firearms & intend to sell em to Every Gun Part, or if they twisted arms and got SIG to take em all back, or if they shuffled em off to one of their competitors cheap. But it's a pretty major decision on Davidson's part, and most likely a very expensive one for them. I'm impressed. They're not the cheapest distributor, but clearly they're willing to spend money on what they see as an important issue. What? Is that real??? |
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Quoted: I feel like a competent gun owner wouldn’t leave a gun where a dog can grab it and chew on it, but maybe that’s just me. Quoted: Quoted: Fair enough. I don't have a dog (although the cat can certainly tear stuff up!), but I've heard about it enough that I can see why that'd be consideration. I feel like a competent gun owner wouldn’t leave a gun where a dog can grab it and chew on it, but maybe that’s just me. You say that but... two of our dogs, they've just now tuned 17 months, are Great Pyrenees, and Anatolian Shepherd crosses. Standing on all four feet they can graze along the outer foot of the countertops. And they do. One night I set my plate on the counter to fix a drink, turned back around to find two big white heads buried in my spaghetti. They were six months old. The look on their faces was such that it was hard to be mad at them about it. Because they really liked my spaghetti. Nothing is safe if your back is turned. I have never had dogs that chew like these two do. When they stand on two legs, they can reach the top of my chest of drawers. And since our Malinois, Nikki, has taught them how to open gates and doors, we have to put locks on the gates and are going back to knobs on all doors. Some days man, with the way Nikki teaches the pups, it's like the Planet of the Apes around here, but with dogs. |
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Quoted: What? Is that real??? Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: That SIG is individually inspecting each 320? That may be true, but that doesn't impact Davidson's decision to pull all SIG firearms from their inventory. Davidson's is one of the larger firearm distributors. Not that they pulled them, that they don't have any, because every assembler at SIG is inspecting 320s, not building or sending any other guns. Just a theory... No, I posted that I'd spoken to my sales rep a couple weeks back, and that they'd pulled all the 320s from inventory. Now they've pulled all SIG firearms. It's not that Davidson's ran out, they've decided not to sell them. Dunno if Davidson's is just sitting on a few million of SIG firearms & intend to sell em to Every Gun Part, or if they twisted arms and got SIG to take em all back, or if they shuffled em off to one of their competitors cheap. But it's a pretty major decision on Davidson's part, and most likely a very expensive one for them. I'm impressed. They're not the cheapest distributor, but clearly they're willing to spend money on what they see as an important issue. What? Is that real??? https://www.davidsonsinc.com/brands/sig-sauer?in_stock=1 https://www.davidsonsinc.com/brands/glock?in_stock=1 ETA: See correction below - Davidson's own website is reporting incorrect inventory levels. |
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Quoted: That SIG is individually inspecting each 320? That may be true, but that doesn't impact Davidson's decision to pull all SIG firearms from their inventory. Davidson's is one of the larger firearm distributors. I just logged into my Davidsons account and while they dont show any 320's they show M400's, 1911's, MCX, 938, 238, 226, 322 and quite a few 365's. |
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Quoted: I just logged into my Davidsons account and while they dont show any 320's they show M400's, 1911's, MCX, 938, 238, 226, 322 and quite a few 365's. Quoted: Quoted: That SIG is individually inspecting each 320? That may be true, but that doesn't impact Davidson's decision to pull all SIG firearms from their inventory. Davidson's is one of the larger firearm distributors. I just logged into my Davidsons account and while they dont show any 320's they show M400's, 1911's, MCX, 938, 238, 226, 322 and quite a few 365's. Just checked now, and I see 10x SIG pistol SKUs for Law Enforcement only. Not seeing any rifles, or 938, 238, 226, or 322. You're searching "In Stock"? |
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Quoted: yep Quoted: Quoted: Just checked now, and I see 10x SIG pistol SKUs for Law Enforcement only. Not seeing any rifles, or 938, 238, 226, or 322. You're searching "In Stock"? yep You using the classic interface or the new one? ETA: SIG is not even in my drop down brand listing under pistols under Davidson's, whether I'm logged in or not. The only SIG firearms I see are under Law Enforcement pistols, and only 10 SKUs. ETA: Ah, I logged into their legacy website, and it's showing completely different inventory - no P320s in stock, but all the other SIG SKUs. Don't know if they can actually be ordered or not, as they don't show up in their newer website listing. |
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Quoted: You using the classic interface or the new one? ETA: SIG is not even in my drop down brand listing under pistols under Davidson's, whether I'm logged in or not. The only SIG firearms I see are under Law Enforcement pistols, and only 10 SKUs. ETA: Ah, I logged into their legacy website, and it's showing completely different inventory - no P320s in stock, but all the other SIG SKUs. Don't know if they can actually be ordered or not, as they don't show up in their newer website listing. Yes, I was in classic. |
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This is a much better tone, but there's still zero accountability here. |
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Something I've noticed on all the recent SIG videos. They really want to emphazise the '576' part number trigger bar. They could leave that number off. After all, none of the other parts is numbered. Only that trigger bar. Things that make you go HMMMMM. |
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Quoted: Something I've noticed on all the recent SIG videos. They really want to emphazise the '576' part number trigger bar. They could leave that number off. After all, none of the other parts is numbered. Only that trigger bar. Things that make you go HMMMMM. |
Despite the preview this is not the video from Sig, rather a different video showing how their "out of battery safety" doesn't work. SIG gaslighting 4.0 |
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Quoted: Despite the preview this is not the video from Sig, rather a different video showing how their "out of battery safety" doesn't work.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VMrG4KtERI It’s completely impossible and yet aftermarket disconnectors exist with taglines like: “Greatly reduces Out of Battery case eruptions when used with in-spec ammo and factory power recoil springs” Not eliminates, but reduces the chance of your P320 grenading. |
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Quoted: Despite the preview this is not the video from Sig, rather a different video showing how their "out of battery safety" doesn't work. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VMrG4KtERISIG upper management has ruined that company. That jackass in the video even smiles has he lies to you/us. What a complete shit design of a gun. 
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https://youtu.be/L17Mq7XxtlE The slop present in slide to frame fit in ALL striker fired guns. 100 percent verified and repeatable. ALL striker fired guns can do this. While some used screws in 320s only, there is now proof of a striker design issue. The slop between frame and slide varies gun to gun but is very real. So, one can holster their striker fired handgun, and if the trigger is pulled back far enough by debris or even the molded holster itself - a now known, verified, repeatable condition is present. While the gun does not go off immediately, outside factors/manipulation other than trigger pull can fire the gun. This in no way exonerates sig. It does explain how -uncommanded discharges- can occur in ANY striker fired handgun, especially when holstered and no one has their finger on the trigger, but is bumped around/moved slightly. Makes one wonder about all the ad/nd/ud type discharges years ago before holsters were as advanced as they are today. |
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Quoted: https://youtu.be/L17Mq7XxtlE The slop present in slide to frame fit in ALL striker fired guns. 100 percent verified and repeatable. ALL striker fired guns can do this. While some used screws in 320s only, there is now proof of a striker design issue. The slop between frame and slide varies gun to gun but is very real. So, one can holster their striker fired handgun, and if the trigger is pulled back far enough by debris or even the molded holster itself - a now known, verified, repeatable condition is present. While the gun does not go off immediately, outside factors/manipulation other than trigger pull can fire the gun. This in no way exonerates sig. It does explain how -uncommanded discharges- can occur in ANY striker fired handgun, especially when holstered and no one has their finger on the trigger, but is bumped around/moved slightly. Makes one wonder about all the ad/nd/ud type discharges years ago before holsters were as advanced as they are today. Can't watch But it seems any gun can go off with the right circumstances That being said. The overwhelming number of UDs are 320 Not shared across all strikers Mainly the 320 |
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Quoted: https://youtu.be/L17Mq7XxtlE The slop present in slide to frame fit in ALL striker fired guns. 100 percent verified and repeatable. ALL striker fired guns can do this. While some used screws in 320s only, there is now proof of a striker design issue. The slop between frame and slide varies gun to gun but is very real. So, one can holster their striker fired handgun, and if the trigger is pulled back far enough by debris or even the molded holster itself - a now known, verified, repeatable condition is present. While the gun does not go off immediately, outside factors/manipulation other than trigger pull can fire the gun. This in no way exonerates sig. It does explain how -uncommanded discharges- can occur in ANY striker fired handgun, especially when holstered and no one has their finger on the trigger, but is bumped around/moved slightly. Makes one wonder about all the ad/nd/ud type discharges years ago before holsters were as advanced as they are today. |
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Quoted: https://youtu.be/L17Mq7XxtlE The slop present in slide to frame fit in ALL striker fired guns. 100 percent verified and repeatable. ALL striker fired guns can do this. While some used screws in 320s only, there is now proof of a striker design issue. The slop between frame and slide varies gun to gun but is very real. So, one can holster their striker fired handgun, and if the trigger is pulled back far enough by debris or even the molded holster itself - a now known, verified, repeatable condition is present. While the gun does not go off immediately, outside factors/manipulation other than trigger pull can fire the gun. This in no way exonerates sig. It does explain how -uncommanded discharges- can occur in ANY striker fired handgun, especially when holstered and no one has their finger on the trigger, but is bumped around/moved slightly. Makes one wonder about all the ad/nd/ud type discharges years ago before holsters were as advanced as they are today. This bullshit was already covered in a thread. It's horseshit click bait video. You have to defeat the trigger safeties and firing pin safeties by pulling the trigger 95%. Stop giving bullshit click bait videos views. |
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Quoted: This bullshit was already covered in a thread. It's horseshit click bait video. You have to defeat the trigger safties and firing pin safties by pulling the trigger 95%. Stop giving bullshit click bait videos views. What is evident in this video is not horseshit/clickbait. It is proof of something most did not/do not understand. The issue with striker fired guns is the slop between slide/frame fit, which may not have even been the point of the video. It was definitely not the point of the screwed in triggers on 320s viseos, but has now been confirmed 100 percent as to why it happens. No matter the gun manufacturer, ALL striker fired guns exhibit an issue not present in hammer fired guns where the frame/slide slop cannot contribute to dropping the hammer. |
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Quoted: https://youtu.be/L17Mq7XxtlE The slop present in slide to frame fit in ALL striker fired guns. 100 percent verified and repeatable. ALL striker fired guns can do this. While some used screws in 320s only, there is now proof of a striker design issue. The slop between frame and slide varies gun to gun but is very real. So, one can holster their striker fired handgun, and if the trigger is pulled back far enough by debris or even the molded holster itself - a now known, verified, repeatable condition is present. While the gun does not go off immediately, outside factors/manipulation other than trigger pull can fire the gun. This in no way exonerates sig. It does explain how -uncommanded discharges- can occur in ANY striker fired handgun, especially when holstered and no one has their finger on the trigger, but is bumped around/moved slightly. Makes one wonder about all the ad/nd/ud type discharges years ago before holsters were as advanced as they are today. Almost every one of these guns going off are not in holsters that mold to the trigger guard. They certainly are not every Striker Fired Pistol, only Sig P320s are having this problem.  Edit: I'm talking about the three deaths and 100 injured, as well as the other over 300 reported incidents. |
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Quoted: https://youtu.be/L17Mq7XxtlE The slop present in slide to frame fit in ALL striker fired guns. 100 percent verified and repeatable. ALL striker fired guns can do this. While some used screws in 320s only, there is now proof of a striker design issue. The slop between frame and slide varies gun to gun but is very real. So, one can holster their striker fired handgun, and if the trigger is pulled back far enough by debris or even the molded holster itself - a now known, verified, repeatable condition is present. While the gun does not go off immediately, outside factors/manipulation other than trigger pull can fire the gun. This in no way exonerates sig. It does explain how -uncommanded discharges- can occur in ANY striker fired handgun, especially when holstered and no one has their finger on the trigger, but is bumped around/moved slightly. Makes one wonder about all the ad/nd/ud type discharges years ago before holsters were as advanced as they are today. "If the trigger is pulled back far enough" is a Captain Obvious level caveat.  |
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Quoted: What is evident in this video is not horseshit/clickbait. It is proof of something most did not/do not understand. The issue with striker fired guns is the slop between slide/frame fit, which may not have even been the point of the video. It was definitely not the point of the screwed in triggers on 320s viseos, but has now been confirmed 100 percent as to why it happens. No matter the gun manufacturer, ALL striker fired guns exhibit an issue not present in hammer fired guns where the frame/slide slop cannot contribute to dropping the hammer. The striker block would catch it however because it works. This isn't what is happening with the 320 and to make the leap is disingenuous at best. Glock has a ramp that brings the trigger bar back up and forward with striker spring pressure if you "prep" the trigger by pulling it to almost firing and then release it. It will go right back to where it was when you racked the slide. It does not and cannot sit there after that in some hair trigger situation. It cannot fire without a direct pull to release of the trigger. The cruciform will not and cannot release the striker without a complete trigger pull. Period. And again, since the striker block actually works the system is redundant and safe. |
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Quoted: In Glock for instance, If you pull a trigger somehow to get it to 95% or better, then have enough slide play it is feasible the striker would release. The striker block would catch it however because it works. This isn't what is happening with the 320 and to make the leap is disingenuous at best. Glock has a ramp that brings the trigger bar back up and forward with striker spring pressure if you "prep" the trigger by pulling it to almost firing and then release it. It will go right back to where it was when you racked the slide. It does not and cannot sit there after that in some hair trigger situation. It cannot fire without a direct pull to release of the trigger. The cruciform will not and cannot release the striker without a complete trigger pull. Period. And again, since the striker block actually works the system is redundant and safe. The video shows otherwise. It shows 100 percent repeatable slide/frame manipulation of multiple glocks that did not have -complete- trigger pull. |
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Quoted: Well, YOU said in your post "by debris or molded holster itself". Are you saying you didn't post that? Whether molded or not, the issue is real, verifiable, and repeatable. Debris, shirts, keychains, molded holster, etc, etc. any can contribute, not just your molded holster attempt…. |
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Quoted: The video shows otherwise. It shows 100 percent repeatable slide/frame manipulation of multiple glocks that did not have -complete- trigger pull. It cannot. Because of what I stated above. Yes if some moron holds the trigger to almost firing and manipulates the slide you can make the striker release. The gun however can't be made to stay in this condition without the trigger being held back. I know you understand this. |
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Quoted: The video shows otherwise. It shows 100 percent repeatable slide/frame manipulation of multiple glocks that did not have -complete- trigger pull. Quoted: Quoted: In Glock for instance, If you pull a trigger somehow to get it to 95% or better, then have enough slide play it is feasible the striker would release. The striker block would catch it however because it works. This isn't what is happening with the 320 and to make the leap is disingenuous at best. Glock has a ramp that brings the trigger bar back up and forward with striker spring pressure if you "prep" the trigger by pulling it to almost firing and then release it. It will go right back to where it was when you racked the slide. It does not and cannot sit there after that in some hair trigger situation. It cannot fire without a direct pull to release of the trigger. The cruciform will not and cannot release the striker without a complete trigger pull. Period. And again, since the striker block actually works the system is redundant and safe. The video shows otherwise. It shows 100 percent repeatable slide/frame manipulation of multiple glocks that did not have -complete- trigger pull. |
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Quoted: What we are talking about is can a Glock be left in a state where putting it into a holster and the slide moving about cause it to fire. It cannot. Because of what I stated above. Yes if some moron holds the trigger to almost firing and manipulates the slide you can make the striker release. The gun however can't be made to stay in this condition without the trigger being held back. I know you understand this. Exactly. If something in the holster holds the trigger back far enough, slide manipulation can fire the gun. Simple. The video clearly shows it can happen. On multiple glocks. |
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Quoted: Exactly. If something in the holster holds the trigger back far enough, slide manipulation can fire the gun. Simple. The video clearly shows it can happen. On multiple glocks. Quoted: Quoted: What we are talking about is can a Glock be left in a state where putting it into a holster and the slide moving about cause it to fire. It cannot. Because of what I stated above. Yes if some moron holds the trigger to almost firing and manipulates the slide you can make the striker release. The gun however can't be made to stay in this condition without the trigger being held back. I know you understand this. Exactly. If something in the holster holds the trigger back far enough, slide manipulation can fire the gun. Simple. The video clearly shows it can happen. On multiple glocks. |
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Quoted: And that can clearly be demonstrated that something was interfering with the trigger. Something that can clearly be seen and navigated around during holstering if proper care is taken. The Sig doesn't need that. It can have unseen debris build up on the sear ledge and not require anything at all to interact with the trigger but still have the same effect as if the trigger is being partially pulled. Something that no other striker fired gun suffers from. Not all holster issues can clearly be seen during holstering. The striker fired issue is real. Again, this does not exonerate Sig. It does show a 100 percent repeatable issue with the striker fired design. Something obviously not fully understood until recently. |