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Posted: 1/26/2014 2:19:53 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/26/2014 2:22:01 PM EDT
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it was a testosterone and patriotism flick. i liked it for exactly those reasons. where i grew up, it was a rare male child in that timeframe who did not fantasize about being in that situation, fighting for country against overwhelming odds. you have to remember, this was back before the "lone superpower" days--the USSR was viewed as potentially more powerful than we were. this was only a few years removed from the miracle on ice, if that tells you anything. watch rocky 4 for some insight on how the east/west power relationship was perceived.
overall, i'd say it was a culturally important movie, but not a quality piece of drama or literature.
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Posted: 1/26/2014 2:26:58 PM EDT
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it was a testosterone and patriotism flick. i liked it for exactly those reasons. where i grew up, it was a rare male child in that timeframe who did not fantasize about being in that situation, fighting for country against overwhelming odds. you have to remember, this was back before the "lone superpower" days--the USSR was viewed as potentially more powerful than we were. this was only a few years removed from the miracle on ice, if that tells you anything. watch rocky 4 for some insight on how the east/west power relationship was perceived. overall, i'd say it was a culturally important movie, but not a quality piece of drama or literature. Rocky IV is a great example of the psyche of the time. Both sides saw themselves as the scrappy underdog with human spirit versus the technologically superior soulless behemoth. |
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Posted: 1/26/2014 2:31:16 PM EDT
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these were kids of the 70's though... http://i495.photobucket.com/albums/rr315/tikidrew/Forum%20Images/70s-that-how-we-roll.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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America Getting invaded? Sure. A bunch of High School children fighting an Army? Not so much. Maybe if our kids had the war experience from Africa or Afghanistan... But "our kids" can't even get bullied without crying about it. American FSA would merely just ask for something from the new masters. these were kids of the 70's though... http://i495.photobucket.com/albums/rr315/tikidrew/Forum%20Images/70s-that-how-we-roll.jpg Hell yea! I never had a Big Wheel, but if I found a cinder block and a board, me and my Huffy were going airborne. |
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Posted: 1/26/2014 2:41:51 PM EDT
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It was a tinfoil circle jerk cinematic masterpiece that touched the very core of every cold war era boy or young man.
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Posted: 1/26/2014 2:58:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Rocky IV is a great example of the psyche of the time. Both sides saw themselves as the scrappy underdog with human spirit versus the technologically superior soulless behemoth. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: watch rocky 4 for some insight on how the east/west power relationship was perceived. Rocky IV is a great example of the psyche of the time. Both sides saw themselves as the scrappy underdog with human spirit versus the technologically superior soulless behemoth. good point. movies like these are especially interesting when compared to more nuanced treatments--i'm specifically thinking of 'the russia house'.
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Posted: 1/26/2014 2:58:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It was a tinfoil circle jerk cinematic masterpiece that touched the very core of every cold war era boy or young man. i can't think of a more perfect description.
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Posted: 1/26/2014 3:00:41 PM EDT
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Maybe I am just a pessimist, but I have a feeling, that in today's society, if a communist regime invaded, the majority would welcome them with open arms...well..until they realized that real communism wasn't what their college professors told them it was.
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Posted: 1/26/2014 3:03:48 PM EDT
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Rocky IV is a great example of the psyche of the time. Both sides saw themselves as the scrappy underdog with human spirit versus the technologically superior soulless behemoth. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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it was a testosterone and patriotism flick. i liked it for exactly those reasons. where i grew up, it was a rare male child in that timeframe who did not fantasize about being in that situation, fighting for country against overwhelming odds. you have to remember, this was back before the "lone superpower" days--the USSR was viewed as potentially more powerful than we were. this was only a few years removed from the miracle on ice, if that tells you anything. watch rocky 4 for some insight on how the east/west power relationship was perceived. overall, i'd say it was a culturally important movie, but not a quality piece of drama or literature. Rocky IV is a great example of the psyche of the time. Both sides saw themselves as the scrappy underdog with human spirit versus the technologically superior soulless behemoth. Yup. OP, if you still don't see how any of this could be real, pick up Red Storm Rising, read it, and realize that it's a plausible portrayal of what it would have been like if the 'cold war' turned 'hot'. When I describe the Berlin Wall to my students, they can't believe that it's real - a number of them have never heard of it before. It is difficult for them to even picture what things were like in the 1980's. |
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Posted: 1/26/2014 3:13:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It was a tinfoil circle jerk cinematic masterpiece that touched the very core of every cold war era boy or young man. |
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Posted: 1/26/2014 3:14:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think that is the part that gets me in the original. It's a stretch to believe that kids armed with fudd weapons could essentially take the fight to an invading army. We beat the shit out of Iraq insurgents and they had fully automatic weapons. In that context, I think the remake took a slightly more realistic approach to how an effective insurgency would have to play out. Even then, this is Hollywood we're talking about here. I also think a slow disintegration from within is more likely than a foreign invasion that rallies the American spirit to victory. I believe you're right about the FSA part, sadly. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: America Getting invaded? Sure. A bunch of High School children fighting an Army? Not so much. Maybe if our kids had the war experience from Africa or Afghanistan... But "our kids" can't even get bullied without crying about it. American FSA would merely just ask for something from the new masters. I think that is the part that gets me in the original. It's a stretch to believe that kids armed with fudd weapons could essentially take the fight to an invading army. We beat the shit out of Iraq insurgents and they had fully automatic weapons. In that context, I think the remake took a slightly more realistic approach to how an effective insurgency would have to play out. Even then, this is Hollywood we're talking about here. I also think a slow disintegration from within is more likely than a foreign invasion that rallies the American spirit to victory. I believe you're right about the FSA part, sadly. um, about that... The movie was a response to the film "The day after". Call it a raised middle finger to the left, or call it a tinfoil circle jerk... It wasn't supposed to be a realistic portrayal or a middle america insurgency.
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Posted: 1/26/2014 3:28:19 PM EDT
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Listen, son. As an old Cold Warrior, I can tell you: Them Commie Bastards meant business. It's even more serious NOW. With Colorado disarmed, we could see a North Korean / Red Chinese / Venezuelan invasion AT ANY TIME. And with the commies hosting the Olympics as a distraction...IT IS FO TIME!  Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So, I have seen both the original and the remake a couple times each now. Notwithstanding the obvious plot holes of how an invading force would manage to sneak by through radar to land in middle America or occupy a region of north America using an army of paratroopers, I can't tell if these movies are pure comedy gold or a manual for the resistance. I was just a kid in the 80's, but did people really think this stuff was going to happen? Listen, son. As an old Cold Warrior, I can tell you: Them Commie Bastards meant business. It's even more serious NOW. With Colorado disarmed, we could see a North Korean / Red Chinese / Venezuelan invasion AT ANY TIME. And with the commies hosting the Olympics as a distraction...IT IS FO TIME!
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Posted: 1/26/2014 3:40:24 PM EDT
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Quoted: So, I have seen both the original and the remake a couple times each now. Notwithstanding the obvious plot holes of how an invading force would manage to sneak by through radar to land in middle America or occupy a region of north America using an army of paratroopers, I can't tell if these movies are pure comedy gold or a manual for the resistance. I was just a kid in the 80's, but did people really think this stuff was going to happen? |
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Posted: 1/26/2014 3:44:00 PM EDT
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Is anyone maintaining that it had even a slight effect in that respect? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm missing the value of such propaganda. What or who is to benefit from such a cheesy movie? It promoted self-reliance and responsibility as something even kids need. No movie could overcome the "pussification wall" today. Is anyone maintaining that it had even a slight effect in that respect? You're not old enough to remember the late 70's-Early 80's and the Survivalist Movement....... |
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Posted: 1/26/2014 3:45:56 PM EDT
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WOLVERINES!
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Posted: 1/26/2014 3:47:13 PM EDT
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The sad part is that movie was made when we thought shtf would go down sooner or later so we gave a big "eat me" to the Sovs. Now it looks like we are so scared of the Chi coms that we made what is no doubt the #2 movie of all time in North Korea behind the Bio of fearless leader.
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Posted: 1/26/2014 3:49:08 PM EDT
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pretty good scene at the end of the original when Jed is adding his and Matty's names to partisan rock.
Say what you want but Millus gave us a postive ending. Every leftist director at the time had us dead by 1997 |
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Posted: 1/26/2014 3:52:30 PM EDT
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Some of them would..............many wouldnt
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America Getting invaded? Sure. A bunch of High School children fighting an Army? Not so much. Maybe if our kids had the war experience from Africa or Afghanistan... But "our kids" can't even get bullied without crying about it. American FSA would merely just ask for something from the new masters. Today the government would order the citizens to shelter in place cower in fear. Today's people would listen and obey. |
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Posted: 1/26/2014 3:52:35 PM EDT
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It entertainment dude. I loved the first one and the second one was OK. Don't ruin it by over-thinking it.
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Posted: 1/26/2014 3:52:55 PM EDT
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John Mileus used Red Dawn to address a threat from within.
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Posted: 1/26/2014 3:53:36 PM EDT
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Of course it was a ridiculous tinfoil circle jerk, but it was MY ridiculous tinfoil circle jerk so you shut your dirty whore mouth!
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Posted: 1/26/2014 3:53:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Some of them would..............many wouldnt |
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Posted: 1/26/2014 4:04:45 PM EDT
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I liked them both for what they were...middle of the road movies about Americans fighting for their freedom.
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Posted: 1/26/2014 4:14:23 PM EDT
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If you were a kid in the 80's, around the same age as the characters in the movie, and you were into guns and military shit, you loved it. You couldn't not.
However, I can see how folks could watch it for the first time, years later, and not like it. I've seen it countless times, and will no doubt see it countless more… and love it every time. Quoted:
Of course it was a ridiculous tinfoil circle jerk, but it was MY ridiculous tinfoil circle jerk so you shut your dirty whore mouth! EXACTLY! |
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Posted: 1/26/2014 4:18:54 PM EDT
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When I describe the Berlin Wall to my students, they can't believe that it's real - a number of them have never heard of it before. It is difficult for them to even picture what things were like in the 1980's. Wow… guess I've never really stopped to think just how much the world has changed in my lifetime. |
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Posted: 1/26/2014 4:30:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You're not old enough to remember the late 70's-Early 80's and the Survivalist Movement....... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I'm missing the value of such propaganda. What or who is to benefit from such a cheesy movie? It promoted self-reliance and responsibility as something even kids need. No movie could overcome the "pussification wall" today. Is anyone maintaining that it had even a slight effect in that respect? You're not old enough to remember the late 70's-Early 80's and the Survivalist Movement....... I'm not? How old did you have to be then? |
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Posted: 1/26/2014 4:38:51 PM EDT
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In 1984 the Warsaw Pact was more of a threat than all of today's terrorists. The world is a much less dangerous place than it used to be. The threats of global communism, concentration camps, and nuclear warfare are behind us. Most people just want to make a buck, not conquer neighboring countries. It's amusing how many make fun of the past as tin foil time, yet are so afraid of a handful of third world terrorists that they give up freedom so the government can protect them. |
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Posted: 1/26/2014 4:40:27 PM EDT
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You made it through the remake twice? 
Different era OP. Cold War was everywhere. I did a North Korea double feature. Followed it with "Olympus Has Fallen." 
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Posted: 1/26/2014 4:42:24 PM EDT
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pretty good scene at the end of the original when Jed is adding his and Matty's names to partisan rock. Say what you want but Millus gave us a postive ending. Every leftist director at the time had us dead by 1997 So Jed didn't die in the playground with matty? Ive never seen that scene. Going to go watch it with me 3 yo as she goes to sleep because of this thread. |
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Posted: 1/26/2014 4:42:48 PM EDT
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In 1984 the Warsaw Pact was more of a threat than all of today's terrorists. The world is a much less dangerous place than it used to be. The threats of global communism, concentration camps, and nuclear warfare are behind us. Most people just want to make a buck, not conquer neighboring countries. It's amusing how many make fun of the past as tin foil time, yet are so afraid of a handful of third world terrorists that they give up freedom so the government can protect them. Not so sure about that one. Different threat than the 1980's, I'll give you that, but the threat of nuclear warfare is not behind us. |
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Posted: 1/26/2014 4:43:44 PM EDT
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I loved the 1984 original. It was not a masterpiece, but was a reflection of the times. I saw Red Dawn about the same time we had a big "Know your Enemy" type presentation in our base theater. When you see a US military produced film on the big screen depicting a Soviet surprise attack on the US, then have an hour briefing by a Russian born major in Soviet air force Colonel's uniform, you are pretty motivated. Then a couple days later you see Red Dawn off base and you literally come out of the theater ready to start killing Communists right damn now, thank you sir!
as somebody posted above, Red Dawn is most definitely not a cinematic masterpiece. But, it is a cultural touchstone of that era. Despite the shaky acting, and at times jarring edits (I always wondered if Milius has a lot of footage edited out, would love to see a new directors cut if so) I still get a kick out of watching the film. |
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Posted: 1/26/2014 4:45:06 PM EDT
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I did a North Korea double feature. Followed it with "Olympus Has Fallen." Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You made it through the remake twice?
Different era OP. Cold War was everywhere. I did a North Korea double feature. Followed it with "Olympus Has Fallen." I did not like the RD remake, but actually kind of enjoyed Olympus Has Fallen. |
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Posted: 1/26/2014 4:47:14 PM EDT
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So Jed didn't die in the playground with matty? Ive never seen that scene. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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pretty good scene at the end of the original when Jed is adding his and Matty's names to partisan rock. Say what you want but Millus gave us a postive ending. Every leftist director at the time had us dead by 1997 So Jed didn't die in the playground with matty? Ive never seen that scene. Yes, he died. The rock scene is before the last mission. It is assumed Jed knew he and Matt would not make it out alive. The positive ending was the two survivors making it to Free America. |
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Posted: 1/26/2014 4:49:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes, he died. The rock scene is before the last mission. It is assumed Jed knew he and Matt would not make it out alive. The positive ending was the two survivors making it to Free America. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: pretty good scene at the end of the original when Jed is adding his and Matty's names to partisan rock. Say what you want but Millus gave us a postive ending. Every leftist director at the time had us dead by 1997 So Jed didn't die in the playground with matty? Ive never seen that scene. Yes, he died. The rock scene is before the last mission. It is assumed Jed knew he and Matt would not make it out alive. The positive ending was the two survivors making it to Free America. |
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Posted: 1/26/2014 4:52:31 PM EDT
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I did not like the RD remake, but actually kind of enjoyed Olympus Has Fallen. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Different era OP. Cold War was everywhere. I did a North Korea double feature. Followed it with "Olympus Has Fallen." I did not like the RD remake, but actually kind of enjoyed Olympus Has Fallen. They really should have made the latter a Christmas movie, and found some way to squeeze "Yippie Kay Ay, Mother Fucker" into the dialog. |
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Posted: 1/26/2014 4:57:05 PM EDT
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First and foremost Red Dawn was a motion picture, it wasn't a training film or documentary. While it certainly had some political commentary, it had a goal of entertaining and earning money at the box office, to do this they had to suspend reality and make a fantastic situation yet keep it just this side of believable. The theater goer had to be entertained, and the trick was to portray an impossible situation as if it were just maybe possible. They did that well enough, any serious thought on the premise would leave a rational person to realize that it just wasn't possible, but for the hour and a half you were in the theater, allowing your sense of reality to take a break until the lights come back on, it was just believable and realistic enough to make your imagination come to life, and that is all the film was supposed to do.
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Posted: 1/26/2014 5:06:54 PM EDT
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I think that is the part that gets me in the original. It's a stretch to believe that kids armed with fudd weapons could essentially take the fight to an invading army. We beat the shit out of Iraq insurgents and they had fully automatic weapons. In that context, I think the remake took a slightly more realistic approach to how an effective insurgency would have to play out. Even then, this is Hollywood we're talking about here. I also think a slow disintegration from within is more likely than a foreign invasion that rallies the American spirit to victory. I believe you're right about the FSA part, sadly. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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America Getting invaded? Sure. A bunch of High School children fighting an Army? Not so much. Maybe if our kids had the war experience from Africa or Afghanistan... But "our kids" can't even get bullied without crying about it. American FSA would merely just ask for something from the new masters. I think that is the part that gets me in the original. It's a stretch to believe that kids armed with fudd weapons could essentially take the fight to an invading army. We beat the shit out of Iraq insurgents and they had fully automatic weapons. In that context, I think the remake took a slightly more realistic approach to how an effective insurgency would have to play out. Even then, this is Hollywood we're talking about here. I also think a slow disintegration from within is more likely than a foreign invasion that rallies the American spirit to victory. I believe you're right about the FSA part, sadly. 
I can easily think of over a half dozen examples that disprove what you wrote. To quote another classic movie; "How do you beat a helicopter with bows and arrows?" "How you gonna beat an enemy that fights with arrows?" |
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Posted: 1/26/2014 5:16:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Maybe I am just a pessimist, but I have a feeling, that in today's society, if a communist regime invaded, the majority would welcome them with open arms...well..until they realized that real communism wasn't what their college professors told them it was. |
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Posted: 1/26/2014 5:20:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I can easily think of over a half dozen examples that disprove what you wrote. To quote another classic movie; "How do you beat a helicopter with bows and arrows?" "How you gonna beat an enemy that fights with arrows?" Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I think that is the part that gets me in the original. It's a stretch to believe that kids armed with fudd weapons could essentially take the fight to an invading army. We beat the shit out of Iraq insurgents and they had fully automatic weapons. In that context, I think the remake took a slightly more realistic approach to how an effective insurgency would have to play out. Even then, this is Hollywood we're talking about here. I also think a slow disintegration from within is more likely than a foreign invasion that rallies the American spirit to victory. I believe you're right about the FSA part, sadly. I can easily think of over a half dozen examples that disprove what you wrote. To quote another classic movie; "How do you beat a helicopter with bows and arrows?" "How you gonna beat an enemy that fights with arrows?" While a movie, it portrays the kids as being lead by a natural leader, operating in an AO they knew pretty well utilizing the best tactics they had hitting soft targets until they were introduced to a mentor who was able to up their game. The thing to remember, is in the world of the movie, a lot of the enemy fighting force was conscripted South Americans, with Russians filling the special and technical roles. |
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Posted: 1/26/2014 5:23:19 PM EDT
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No shit right? While a movie, it portrays the kids as being lead by a natural leader, operating in an AO they knew pretty well utilizing the best tactics they had hitting soft targets until they were introduced to a mentor who was able to up their game. The thing to remember, is in the world of the movie, a lot of the enemy fighting force was conscripted South Americans, with Russians filling the special and technical roles. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I think that is the part that gets me in the original. It's a stretch to believe that kids armed with fudd weapons could essentially take the fight to an invading army. We beat the shit out of Iraq insurgents and they had fully automatic weapons. In that context, I think the remake took a slightly more realistic approach to how an effective insurgency would have to play out. Even then, this is Hollywood we're talking about here. I also think a slow disintegration from within is more likely than a foreign invasion that rallies the American spirit to victory. I believe you're right about the FSA part, sadly.
I can easily think of over a half dozen examples that disprove what you wrote. To quote another classic movie; "How do you beat a helicopter with bows and arrows?" "How you gonna beat an enemy that fights with arrows?" While a movie, it portrays the kids as being lead by a natural leader, operating in an AO they knew pretty well utilizing the best tactics they had hitting soft targets until they were introduced to a mentor who was able to up their game. The thing to remember, is in the world of the movie, a lot of the enemy fighting force was conscripted South Americans, with Russians filling the special and technical roles. It was also not in any way the front lines, but deep in enemy territory. They were up against pogue units with light security, with the occasional available combat forces directed at locating them. The most unbelievable part is that a fighter pilot would know shit about ground combat. 
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Posted: 1/26/2014 5:33:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The most unbelievable part is that a fighter pilot would know shit about ground combat.  |
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Posted: 1/26/2014 5:40:55 PM EDT
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It was also not in any way the front lines, but deep in enemy territory. They were up against pogue units with light security, with the occasional available combat forces directed at locating them. The most unbelievable part is that a fighter pilot would know shit about ground combat. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I think that is the part that gets me in the original. It's a stretch to believe that kids armed with fudd weapons could essentially take the fight to an invading army. We beat the shit out of Iraq insurgents and they had fully automatic weapons. In that context, I think the remake took a slightly more realistic approach to how an effective insurgency would have to play out. Even then, this is Hollywood we're talking about here. I also think a slow disintegration from within is more likely than a foreign invasion that rallies the American spirit to victory. I believe you're right about the FSA part, sadly.
I can easily think of over a half dozen examples that disprove what you wrote. To quote another classic movie; "How do you beat a helicopter with bows and arrows?" "How you gonna beat an enemy that fights with arrows?" While a movie, it portrays the kids as being lead by a natural leader, operating in an AO they knew pretty well utilizing the best tactics they had hitting soft targets until they were introduced to a mentor who was able to up their game. The thing to remember, is in the world of the movie, a lot of the enemy fighting force was conscripted South Americans, with Russians filling the special and technical roles. It was also not in any way the front lines, but deep in enemy territory. They were up against pogue units with light security, with the occasional available combat forces directed at locating them. The most unbelievable part is that a fighter pilot would know shit about ground combat. Yeah, most fighter jocks I knew would have been close to useless. But maybe Powers Booth's character was in Army ROTC, then went USAF after graduation? I only say that because I was in Army JROTC in HS, and actually paid attention in the basic infantry tactics classes we had. (I actually made a passing score on the army infantry AIT written knowledge test that our JROTC commander had me take) Then I went into the USAF and later OTS, so I was a USAF munitions officer with at least rudimentary infantry training. Yeah, I know, kind of stretching it, but at least it is a theory. |
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Posted: 1/26/2014 6:02:14 PM EDT
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Well, when the Russians invaded Afghanistan a few years before Red Dawn was made, they used commercial airliners to land troops in the heartland of that country.
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Posted: 1/26/2014 6:44:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: First and foremost Red Dawn was a motion picture, it wasn't a training film or documentary. |
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Posted: 1/26/2014 8:33:59 PM EDT
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Yes, he died. The rock scene is before the last mission. It is assumed Jed knew he and Matt would not make it out alive. The positive ending was the two survivors making it to Free America. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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pretty good scene at the end of the original when Jed is adding his and Matty's names to partisan rock. Say what you want but Millus gave us a postive ending. Every leftist director at the time had us dead by 1997 So Jed didn't die in the playground with matty? Ive never seen that scene. Yes, he died. The rock scene is before the last mission. It is assumed Jed knew he and Matt would not make it out alive. The positive ending was the two survivors making it to Free America. No, no. He lived and went on to become a dance instructor in new America. Everybody thought that Toni died, too, because of the grenade scene and the fact that she got shot. What you didn't see is that she rolled out of the way and ran off into the wilderness to nurse herself back to health on tree grubs and deer scat. Years later, she is reunited with Jed, and they enter dance competitions using the prize money to pay for back alley abortions for sorority pledges. |
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Posted: 1/26/2014 8:36:31 PM EDT
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No, no. He lived and went on to become a dance instructor in new America. Everybody thought that Toni died, too, because of the grenade scene and the fact that she got shot. What you didn't see is that she rolled out of the way and ran off into the wilderness to nurse herself back to health on tree grubs and deer scat. Years later, she is reunited with Jed, and they enter dance competitions using the prize money to pay for back alley abortions for sorority pledges. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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pretty good scene at the end of the original when Jed is adding his and Matty's names to partisan rock. Say what you want but Millus gave us a postive ending. Every leftist director at the time had us dead by 1997 So Jed didn't die in the playground with matty? Ive never seen that scene. Yes, he died. The rock scene is before the last mission. It is assumed Jed knew he and Matt would not make it out alive. The positive ending was the two survivors making it to Free America. No, no. He lived and went on to become a dance instructor in new America. Everybody thought that Toni died, too, because of the grenade scene and the fact that she got shot. What you didn't see is that she rolled out of the way and ran off into the wilderness to nurse herself back to health on tree grubs and deer scat. Years later, she is reunited with Jed, and they enter dance competitions using the prize money to pay for back alley abortions for sorority pledges. Nobody backs Baby into a corner. |
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Posted: 1/26/2014 8:46:07 PM EDT
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I was just a kid in the 80's, but did people really think this stuff was going to happen? I don't know of anyone who thought the Soviets had any intention of invading the United States. It was too obviously impossible. The fears were about another proxy war, or a NATO and Warsaw Pact war in Europe, or some unanticipated event that led to a nuclear exchange. Pretty much everyone in my generation was at least familiar with the Operation Overlord invasion and what it took to make an army cross 100 miles of water and fight across 750 miles of Europe, given that we had a big island right there to stage equipment. People I knew who suggested that Red Dawn was plausible usually got a bunch of raised eyebrows in response. I didn't see the remake, but arfcom assured me that is was silly. |
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Posted: 1/26/2014 9:07:02 PM EDT
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Red dawn actually happened. But not as portrayed in that mouth-breathing, retarded, dumb-as-dog-shit, stench of a movie. The communists didn't parachute into America, they immigrated here in the early 1900s, wormed their way into political power, took over American academia and media, and corrupted an entire generation of spoiled-rotten dumb-fuck baby boomers. Said baby-boomers then systematically dismantled everything that was good about America before most people here were even born. As for the movie, my 3 month-old fills her diaper with better scripts then that idiotic drivel.
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Posted: 1/26/2014 9:09:02 PM EDT
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Have you seen the Putin love here? I'm not sure college professors are responsible for that. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Maybe I am just a pessimist, but I have a feeling, that in today's society, if a communist regime invaded, the majority would welcome them with open arms...well..until they realized that real communism wasn't what their college professors told them it was. Putin is less of a communist than that high yellow Trotskyite fuck in the White House. I'd trade leaders with Russia any day of the week. |
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Posted: 1/26/2014 9:14:33 PM EDT
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Yup. OP, if you still don't see how any of this could be real, pick up Red Storm Rising, read it, and realize that it's a plausible portrayal of what it would have been like if the 'cold war' turned 'hot'. When I describe the Berlin Wall to my students, they can't believe that it's real - a number of them have never heard of it before. It is difficult for them to even picture what things were like in the 1980's. I'm just finishing Red Storm Rising right now. Clancy did an excellent job naming every weapon in the 1985 inventory, but the parts about Iceland and the Atlantic convoys are laughable. |
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