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Posted: 3/19/2019 2:01:15 PM EDT
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Blessings op.
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Posted: 3/19/2019 2:08:36 PM EDT
[#2]
Wow!
People like to trash talk modern trucks, but a 20 year old model wouldn't have faired nearly as well. If you have a family you care about, putting them in a modern vehicle with modern safety features can be a literal life saver. |
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Posted: 3/19/2019 2:09:15 PM EDT
[#3]
Glad you're alright OP
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Posted: 3/19/2019 2:12:34 PM EDT
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Damn, you are lucky to be alive after that.
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Posted: 3/19/2019 2:47:42 PM EDT
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How long had you had the truck?
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Posted: 3/19/2019 2:49:29 PM EDT
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Wow! People like to trash talk modern trucks, but a 20 year old model wouldn't have faired nearly as well. If you have a family you care about, putting them in a modern vehicle with modern safety features can be a literal life saver. If OP was driving a truck from the '90s or earlier, he would either be dead or still hospitalized with life altering injuries. |
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Posted: 3/19/2019 2:53:29 PM EDT
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modern vehicles are amazing. |
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Posted: 3/19/2019 2:59:05 PM EDT
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Glad you are OK OP
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Posted: 3/19/2019 3:00:51 PM EDT
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modern vehicles are amazing. |
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Posted: 3/19/2019 3:16:29 PM EDT
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Dang, son.
Sad to hear the other guy didn't make it. Why people still insist on not wearing a seatbelt will always escape me. Did he die on scene, or later at the hospital? And yeah, that truck saved your life. He heard an anecdotal story about someone who would have lived if they were wearing a seatbelt. And his family is very stubborn. |
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Posted: 3/19/2019 3:56:40 PM EDT
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Dang, son.
Sad to hear the other guy didn't make it. Why people still insist on not wearing a seatbelt will always escape me. Did he die on scene, or later at the hospital? And yeah, that truck saved your life. Always wonder how many of the "how the hell did that happen" type crashes are suicide attempts. And wow, that truck did exactly what it was designed to do. It is a tradeoff. They (modern vehicles) are fragile in some ways and get totalled easily but do a great job of protecting their occupants in big hits like this. |
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Posted: 3/19/2019 4:06:35 PM EDT
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Other driver may have had a medical episode or was just screwing around on his phone.
Unfortunately, sometimes things just happen to us and it's completely out of our control. That's what you need to remember and don't blame yourself. When I had my gun shop... I sold a Smith J-frame and a box of ammo to a guy. He went straight home, put the gun in his mouth and killed himself. He was like every other customer that came through the door. Just a regular guy I never would have expected was suicidal. I replayed my memory of the transaction over and over in my head trying to determine what I missed or if I missed a signal of some sort. Nothing. Not a single thing came to mind. He was a textbook normal customer. I was pretty upset about it for a few weeks/months but eventually came to terms with it. Life goes on and you just have to accept that many things are out of our control. |
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Posted: 3/19/2019 4:08:22 PM EDT
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My Father-in-Law tells me that seatbelts kill people every day. Seatbelts trap you in the car. He doesn't wear a seatbelt unless he's in my car (I make him). He heard an anecdotal story about someone who would have lived if they were wearing a seatbelt. And his family is very stubborn. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Dang, son.
Sad to hear the other guy didn't make it. Why people still insist on not wearing a seatbelt will always escape me. Did he die on scene, or later at the hospital? And yeah, that truck saved your life. He heard an anecdotal story about someone who would have lived if they were wearing a seatbelt. And his family is very stubborn. ALL of the safety systems in modern vehicles are designed with the assumption that occupants are belted in. Air bags, crumple zones, tensioners... everything. If your body isn't physically in the space where engineers expect it to be when designing that stuff, not only will it not work, but it might do more harm than good. Riding around with no seat belt doesn't just compromise the one safety system, it compromises all of them. |
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Posted: 3/19/2019 4:09:38 PM EDT
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Suicide? Always wonder how many of the "how the hell did that happen" type crashes are suicide attempts. And wow, that truck did exactly what it was designed to do. It is a tradeoff. They (modern vehicles) are fragile in some ways and get totalled easily but do a great job of protecting their occupants in big hits like this. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Dang, son.
Sad to hear the other guy didn't make it. Why people still insist on not wearing a seatbelt will always escape me. Did he die on scene, or later at the hospital? And yeah, that truck saved your life. Always wonder how many of the "how the hell did that happen" type crashes are suicide attempts. And wow, that truck did exactly what it was designed to do. It is a tradeoff. They (modern vehicles) are fragile in some ways and get totalled easily but do a great job of protecting their occupants in big hits like this. |
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Posted: 3/19/2019 4:12:19 PM EDT
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That's awesome that you could walk away from that bad of a crash.
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Posted: 3/19/2019 4:13:55 PM EDT
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Glad for you
Sorry for him Truck saved your life fo sho |
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Posted: 3/19/2019 4:20:02 PM EDT
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That tradeoff sounds like cheap insurance to me. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Dang, son.
Sad to hear the other guy didn't make it. Why people still insist on not wearing a seatbelt will always escape me. Did he die on scene, or later at the hospital? And yeah, that truck saved your life. Always wonder how many of the "how the hell did that happen" type crashes are suicide attempts. And wow, that truck did exactly what it was designed to do. It is a tradeoff. They (modern vehicles) are fragile in some ways and get totalled easily but do a great job of protecting their occupants in big hits like this. Oddly I never felt unsafe driving older (60s-80s) vehicles until I got my newer truck that has all the safety features. Notice myself less enthusiastic about driving the older vehicles, partially because of that, partially because people can't drive worth a shit anymore. |
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Posted: 3/19/2019 4:20:38 PM EDT
[#18]
Glad you are allright.
I have a hard time making out the make of the other vehicle. Do you know? |
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Posted: 3/19/2019 4:23:18 PM EDT
[#19]
That looks terrible.
Glad you are ok! That ram did its job remarkably. |
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Posted: 3/19/2019 4:23:31 PM EDT
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The engineers absolutely earned their paycheck on that truck. They did a great job. I do wonder if most trucks perform similarly because of all of the engineering advances over the past several years/decades. I'm not trying to minimize this at all. Just wondering.
Do be sure to get checked over very well. That kind of an impact can really mess you up. I'd probably consider retaining an attorney because of the severity of the impact. I can easily imagine the other insurance company trying to get out as fast and cheap as they can, leaving you in a really bad spot later on down the road. Also, keep in touch with that pastor of yours. He's checking in so often because he has probably seen this kind of thing before and knows how it can work as far as guilt, etc. The folks at Dodge might be interested in your truck as well. I'd suspect they could probably learn a thing or two from it. |
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Posted: 3/19/2019 4:24:20 PM EDT
[#21]
dang. glad you are safe. Can't blame yourself
Looks like other truck is an F150 |
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Posted: 3/19/2019 4:30:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It kind of does. Oddly I never felt unsafe driving older (60s-80s) vehicles until I got my newer truck that has all the safety features. Notice myself less enthusiastic about driving the older vehicles, partially because of that, partially because people can't drive worth a shit anymore. Trucks especially made improvements to recent years. Small offset and rollover testing revealed some serious deficiencies in them. Even that only came about when they realized how many amputations there were from full sized trucks built in the 90's. An accident involving a car straying into oncoming traffic (like a texting driver) and just clipping someone and you lose a leg as the suspension enters the passenger compartment. Then the weight and size that makes everyone feel safe comes into play on rollovers. Now we have massive A pillars. Learning about all the design deficiencies (understandable at the time, but troubling in retrospect) made me a lot less enthusiastic about driving loved ones around in an older vehicle. |
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Posted: 3/19/2019 4:44:32 PM EDT
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Wow man, those pictures are crazy. Glad you made it out alive. Big trucks do feel safer and I am glad to have my Tundra. What kind of new truck are you going to get?
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Posted: 3/19/2019 5:09:50 PM EDT
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Part of that was just not knowing any better, part was the fact they were getting safer compared to what came before. Trucks especially made improvements to recent years. Small offset and rollover testing revealed some serious deficiencies in them. Even that only came about when they realized how many amputations there were from full sized trucks built in the 90's. An accident involving a car straying into oncoming traffic (like a texting driver) and just clipping someone and you lose a leg as the suspension enters the passenger compartment. Then the weight and size that makes everyone feel safe comes into play on rollovers. Now we have massive A pillars. Learning about all the design deficiencies (understandable at the time, but troubling in retrospect) made me a lot less enthusiastic about driving loved ones around in an older vehicle. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: It kind of does. Oddly I never felt unsafe driving older (60s-80s) vehicles until I got my newer truck that has all the safety features. Notice myself less enthusiastic about driving the older vehicles, partially because of that, partially because people can't drive worth a shit anymore. Trucks especially made improvements to recent years. Small offset and rollover testing revealed some serious deficiencies in them. Even that only came about when they realized how many amputations there were from full sized trucks built in the 90's. An accident involving a car straying into oncoming traffic (like a texting driver) and just clipping someone and you lose a leg as the suspension enters the passenger compartment. Then the weight and size that makes everyone feel safe comes into play on rollovers. Now we have massive A pillars. Learning about all the design deficiencies (understandable at the time, but troubling in retrospect) made me a lot less enthusiastic about driving loved ones around in an older vehicle. When I was a teenager in a ‘85 F-150, I felt like an invincible man in an armored vehicle. Then I joined the Army, learned a thing or two about mortality, learned about crash testing, and spent some time in newer vehicles. Driving that same ‘85 F-150 as a 30 year old with a 2014 F-150 in my driveway was eye opening. The handling was awful, there’s no ABS, there’s no air bags, and there isn’t really any crash structure. Hell... there weren’t even head rests. It was just a straight up bench with the rear window 3” behind my head because it was a single cab truck. |
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Posted: 3/19/2019 5:27:02 PM EDT
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Glad you made it relatively unscathed. Your pickup was a steal no matter what you paid for it. Take care of your self.
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Posted: 3/19/2019 5:29:05 PM EDT
[#26]
Looks like a quad cab, short bed?
I've had one since November. Nice to see it can take that kind of hit. Get checked out, like people said. Don't be afraid to get some counseling if you need it in a few weeks. |
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Posted: 3/19/2019 5:30:12 PM EDT
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I read more than I post here but I thought you might find this interesting, sad day. 2019 Dodge Ram, someone didn't stop at a highway intersection and I hit them. I walked away. I pretty much owe my life to the safety features of this truck. Images are pretty large so I linked them to my drive. https://drive.google.com/open?id=1zvsuY-qK5XOHq28MmzdE-MbtX4CPfmG3 |
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Posted: 3/19/2019 6:00:27 PM EDT
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No seat belt |
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Posted: 3/19/2019 6:16:37 PM EDT
[#29]
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I read more than I post here but I thought you might find this interesting, sad day. 2019 Dodge Ram, someone didn't stop at a highway intersection and I hit them. I walked away. I pretty much owe my life to the safety features of this truck. Images are pretty large so I linked them to my drive. https://drive.google.com/open?id=1zvsuY-qK5XOHq28MmzdE-MbtX4CPfmG3 Damn man, glad you are okay. |
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Posted: 3/19/2019 6:27:52 PM EDT
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Glad you made it out as well as you did. I have cut hundreds of people out of vehicles, some alive some not. The human body is amazing at times and fragile at other times. I have had people like you walk away, sign a waiver and be dead a few hours later. Usually lacerated liver/ internal organs from wearing seat belt NOT over the pelvis and over the stomach area. They say they are just sore. A ride for a ultrasound or MRI may have saved a few.
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Posted: 3/19/2019 7:08:10 PM EDT
[#31]
Bad crash, glad you ok.
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Posted: 3/19/2019 7:22:56 PM EDT
[#32]
Glad you are alive and safe to tell us about what happened OP. Also serves as a reminder that no matter how good or safe we think we are, shit can happen anytime. Things like this is why I tell my son I love him every morning when I leave for work.
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Posted: 3/19/2019 9:33:48 PM EDT
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How long had you had the truck? |
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Posted: 3/19/2019 9:35:44 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: My Father-in-Law tells me that seatbelts kill people every day. Seatbelts trap you in the car. He doesn't wear a seatbelt unless he's in my car (I make him). He heard an anecdotal story about someone who would have lived if they were wearing a seatbelt. And his family is very stubborn. |
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Posted: 3/19/2019 9:39:07 PM EDT
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Glad you are allright. I have a hard time making out the make of the other vehicle. Do you know? |
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Posted: 3/19/2019 9:40:25 PM EDT
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The engineers absolutely earned their paycheck on that truck. They did a great job. I do wonder if most trucks perform similarly because of all of the engineering advances over the past several years/decades. I'm not trying to minimize this at all. Just wondering. Do be sure to get checked over very well. That kind of an impact can really mess you up. I'd probably consider retaining an attorney because of the severity of the impact. I can easily imagine the other insurance company trying to get out as fast and cheap as they can, leaving you in a really bad spot later on down the road. Also, keep in touch with that pastor of yours. He's checking in so often because he has probably seen this kind of thing before and knows how it can work as far as guilt, etc. The folks at Dodge might be interested in your truck as well. I'd suspect they could probably learn a thing or two from it. |
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Posted: 3/19/2019 9:40:51 PM EDT
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Were they distracted by your window sticker?
 
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Posted: 3/19/2019 9:41:58 PM EDT
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It's a 2005 F150 I didnt post the other pictures of it. I cold probably send them privately, its pretty mangled, worse than mine. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Glad you are allright. I have a hard time making out the make of the other vehicle. Do you know? |
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Posted: 3/19/2019 9:46:14 PM EDT
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I have more pictures that I can't post here that would tell a different story to him. They do work.
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Posted: 3/19/2019 9:46:29 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I see damage at both ends of the other truck. Where did you hit it? |
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Posted: 3/19/2019 9:51:33 PM EDT
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nevermind, i posted the ford and changed my mind, pm me if you want to show your kids that seat belts work.
First thing I did was start taking photos to document the scene. |
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Posted: 3/19/2019 10:09:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 2019 you just bought it, I'd be bouncing off the walls. Glad you are OK OP. Your Ram did its job the way it was designed. |
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Posted: 3/19/2019 10:12:04 PM EDT
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Yeah, I have one you can show him that seatbelts work...even though it pains me greatly ...
https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/404934/IMG_0844_JPG-883904.JPG Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I have more pictures that I can't post here that would tell a different story to him. They do work.
https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/404934/IMG_0844_JPG-883904.JPG
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Posted: 3/19/2019 10:29:31 PM EDT
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Glad you're OK, OP.
I drive a 2017 Ford F350 4x4 dually. It weighs 8,200 pounds. I am rather confident that it gives me an advantage in most accidents. Modern truck, modern safety, much mass. Then again, I have some motorcycles I ride as well. I guess it averages out. |
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Posted: 3/19/2019 10:36:00 PM EDT
[#45]
Damn op, glad you walked away.
The Ram has been on my short list for my next vehicle and this just bumped it up a notch. Almost a year ago my uncle was in a deadly head on with a sheriffs deputy. The deputy tried passing a firetruck at the crest of a hill going 114 mph in a 50 on a two lane road. When he crested the hill he ran head on into my uncle and his new 4Runner. The front fell off the 4Runner but other than the airbags you couldn't tell from the front seat anything had happened. Unfortunately the deputy didn't survive. The thread I guess is in the archives but I don't know how to get to it. Eta: Found it 
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Posted: 3/19/2019 10:39:13 PM EDT
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OP is a lucky man, someone was watching over you.
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Posted: 3/19/2019 10:43:28 PM EDT
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Part of that was just not knowing any better, part was the fact they were getting safer compared to what came before. Trucks especially made improvements to recent years. Small offset and rollover testing revealed some serious deficiencies in them. Even that only came about when they realized how many amputations there were from full sized trucks built in the 90's. An accident involving a car straying into oncoming traffic (like a texting driver) and just clipping someone and you lose a leg as the suspension enters the passenger compartment. Then the weight and size that makes everyone feel safe comes into play on rollovers. Now we have massive A pillars. Learning about all the design deficiencies (understandable at the time, but troubling in retrospect) made me a lot less enthusiastic about driving loved ones around in an older vehicle. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: It kind of does. Oddly I never felt unsafe driving older (60s-80s) vehicles until I got my newer truck that has all the safety features. Notice myself less enthusiastic about driving the older vehicles, partially because of that, partially because people can't drive worth a shit anymore. Trucks especially made improvements to recent years. Small offset and rollover testing revealed some serious deficiencies in them. Even that only came about when they realized how many amputations there were from full sized trucks built in the 90's. An accident involving a car straying into oncoming traffic (like a texting driver) and just clipping someone and you lose a leg as the suspension enters the passenger compartment. Then the weight and size that makes everyone feel safe comes into play on rollovers. Now we have massive A pillars. Learning about all the design deficiencies (understandable at the time, but troubling in retrospect) made me a lot less enthusiastic about driving loved ones around in an older vehicle. Frames are pretty stout, even in comparison to the newer trucks. Everything else is made out of tinfoil. I watched a truck similar to mine clip a curb at under 15 mph, driver overreacted and put the truck on its roof. The entirety of the cab/roof crushed flat with the tops of the doors. . Guy survived with minor cuts because he was able to lean over into the passenger side to escape being crushed.
100% chance I would have died in the crash that OP was in if I was in one of my older trucks. |
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Posted: 3/20/2019 10:06:00 AM EDT
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Glad you're ok. I drive a 2019 RAM also. Good to see how safe they are.
Neurobit |
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Posted: 3/20/2019 11:14:09 AM EDT
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Damn op, glad you walked away. The Ram has been on my short list for my next vehicle and this just bumped it up a notch. Almost a year ago my uncle was in a deadly head on with a sheriffs deputy. The deputy tried passing a firetruck at the crest of a hill going 114 mph in a 50 on a two lane road. When he crested the hill he ran head on into my uncle and his new 4Runner. The front fell off the 4Runner but other than the airbags you couldn't tell from the front seat anything had happened. Unfortunately the deputy didn't survive. The thread I guess is in the archives but I don't know how to get to it. Eta: Found it https://i.imgur.com/JL2rvV2_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium Assuming your uncle was driving near the speed limit, that's around a 165 mph closing speed. Vehicles even a few years ago simply couldn't protect occupants from those kids of forces. The Charger is not a small car and its weight depending on trim is not much less than the 4Runner. The 4Runner, however, is a body-on-frame SUV and is very stoutly built- the Lexus GX and the European Land Cruiser Prado (baby Land Cruiser) are basically the same vehicle. Toyota has had many years of incremental improvement to get the 4Runner where it is today. It's unfortunate that the deputy's lapse in judgement cost him his life but your uncle was very fortunate that he was in one of the best vehicles in the world. |
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Posted: 3/20/2019 11:40:02 AM EDT
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Damn, have they made updates to safety with the new model or is my '14 2500 up to snuff?
Glad you're ok OP, sorry you had to go through this. 
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