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Posted: 3/23/2003 11:01:04 PM EDT
[#1]
im in
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Posted: 3/23/2003 11:03:29 PM EDT
[#2]
i also appreciate your efforts to help. my donation is on its way !
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Posted: 3/23/2003 11:10:34 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Wolfpack, This is a very nice gesture. I applaud you. However, I must ask one question: Have you verified the legality of this raffle? I'm not trying to be a jerk, but these raffles for friends were tried on other boards, and found to be in violation of some state laws. Particularly if the prizes involve firearms or if they are valued over certain limits. [red]Basically, the raffle could fall under the gambling statutes.[/red] When these other raffles were checked, they were not in compliance. Most participants chose to just "donate" their raffle money, rather than receive a prize. If all has been checked, please respond and count me in. Good thing I live in [b]Las Vegas[/b]. [banana] I doubt the gubmint really cares about a little raffle, I do know the Cheif of Police and most of the City Council members though...I think I'm o.k. [;)] Yes, I saw that you were from NV. However, gambling is regulated there, is it not? Seriously, I'm not trying to be an ass, but a year or so ago, there was another individual trying to raise funds for another deceased gunsmith's family. He was offering knives, firearms, and such as prizes. He had declared a winner, and was then notified by his state's investigators that the raffle was illegal and he was commiting a felony. Remember, a felony means no more guns. Had he shipped out the firearms or other prizes he would have lost his business (gunsmith). I understand and appreciate what you are doing. However, I'm sure we all would like to make sure that we are not contributing to a possible illegal enterprise. You may be in good standing with the local cops, but how does that help us? As I mentioned before, when the other raffle was determined to be illegal, all the participants "donated" their raffle money, and declined to accept any prizes. I would like to help, but not at the cost of commiting, or participating in a crime. That is why I requested confirmation that all legalities have been satisfied. Jesus Christ, Ahab, if you're so goddamn afraid of this raffle why don't you just go away? What legalities are you so paranoid about? You ask the kid down the street for his business license when he's out selling lemonade, don't you? What about church or school raffles? You give them this diatribe as well? This is to help the mother of a man that died... nothing more. No profit is being taken, none of the monies donated is going to anyone other than this woman. There's plenty of shit going on in this world for you to worry about, this is not one of them. You don't wanna donate, fine. But stop pissing on others parades. [pissed] |
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Posted: 3/24/2003 5:34:35 AM EDT
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I must say that your comprehension of my post is amazing. Nowhere did I say I didn't want to contribute. I simply asked a question that needed to be answered BEFORE I contributed.
Had you any idea of the mess involved in the last raffle, you would understand my hesitation. No profit was being made on that raffle either. However, the states tend to look disfavorably on those "raffles" or gambling organizations that have not met local ordinances. If you have satisfied your own conscience, and feel that the risk of loosing your right to own firearms is nothing to be concerned about, then that is your own affair. Of course, as public as this board is, I'm sure at least one or two anti's have called the local authorities and notified them of this raffle. Had Wolfpak, or yourself, simply posted that you had confirmed with the local authorities of the legalities of this raffle, then there would have been no problem. Unfortunately, you seem to feel that being in compliance with the law is nothing to be concerned about. If Wolfpak is "in good" with the local COP, then why doesn't he just ask him about any laws that he might be breaking? It would seem that a 5 minute call would answer a bunch of questions. Personally if I were running the raffle, I would want to make sure that it was in compliance with all local laws. In addition, I wouldn't want to be asking my fellow gun enthusiasts to contribute to a possible illegal enterprise. I would think it prudent, that those who wish to help out a family in need shouldn't have to be punished for their kindness. Your whole attitiude is, "I don't give a crap". "If it's illegal, so what!" That appears to be a very reckless point of view, considering that you have brought outside parties into your endeavor. Placing yourself at risk is one thing, but putting others in jeapordy is blatant negligence. |
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Posted: 3/24/2003 6:09:43 AM EDT
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Joe, the cops are busy catching terrorists, murderers, rapists, domestic abusers and stalkers....I [b]really[/b] don't think this is a problem....but I'm sure some DU'er has seen your posts and is making calls now, thanks for the help but you may want to find somewhere else to contribute....mmmmm'kay? Bob
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Posted: 3/24/2003 6:31:58 AM EDT
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Quoted: Seriously, I'm not trying to be an ass... [Red]TOO LATE[/Red] [:d] |
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Posted: 3/24/2003 9:12:27 AM EDT
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[banghead]
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Posted: 3/24/2003 1:38:52 PM EDT
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I ditched work all day today and went an secured my gaming license, I also was bonded and insured for $1,000,000. I sent all the forms and applications to the federal authorities and even had enough time to get my bartending license while I was at it!
Joe, were you the one who ordered the Shirley Temple? [:D] |
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Posted: 3/27/2003 4:51:07 AM EDT
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The check is in the mail.
Wolfpack, Best wishes in this time of need for you. Take Care Craig |
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Posted: 3/27/2003 9:55:30 AM EDT
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I don't know your recently deceased friends situation or what he was up against, but I hope his family and friends can come to peace with the situation eventually.
I'm in for a ticket (Paypal). Us "gun nuts" need to stick together, just look at the good a few of us can do with out any one of us being seriously impacted! Keep up the good work! Makes me proud to be a part of this group. Next we fix up the gun laws! |
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Posted: 3/29/2003 5:37:15 AM EDT
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[b]Judas Priest on a **&&^^&* Pony!!!![/b] [soapbox]
I can hardly believe the nail-biting, sniveling, anal-retentive nonsense posted above regarding the legality of this simple raffle to help a mother who's lost her son. That makes about as much sense as not buying a plate of brownies from the church youth group's bake sale until someone can assure you that they were baked in a licensed, gov't. inspected facility. [nono] (Don't buy those brownies, Daddy, you might lose your guns over them!) Heaven forbid we help someone else out without consulting a damn lawyer first. [pissed] I guess Grandpa was right when he said "Anytime you try to do something positive, someone is going to give you some grief about it." This legality BS proves that to be true. Excuse me, I think I'm going to be ill. [puke] Can someone tell me if there are legal requirements that must be met before I hurl?? I heard of someone else who got in big trouble over blowing chunks without permits, etc...... something about negligence...... [rolleyes] |
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Posted: 3/29/2003 6:26:19 PM EDT
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Is the Cav Arns Lower available in any color we want? Also can we pay the differance and have the guts put into it? Also What is the differance between the new style and the old one?
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Posted: 3/29/2003 8:02:40 PM EDT
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Funds will be sent your way on Monday. geegee
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Posted: 3/30/2003 12:07:59 AM EDT
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Quoted: [b]Judas Priest on a **&&^^&* Pony!!!![/b] [soapbox] I can hardly believe the nail-biting, sniveling, anal-retentive nonsense posted above regarding the legality of this simple raffle to help a mother who's lost her son. That makes about as much sense as not buying a plate of brownies from the church youth group's bake sale until someone can assure you that they were baked in a licensed, gov't. inspected facility. [nono] (Don't buy those brownies, Daddy, you might lose your guns over them!) Heaven forbid we help someone else out without consulting a damn lawyer first. [pissed] I guess Grandpa was right when he said "Anytime you try to do something positive, someone is going to give you some grief about it." This legality BS proves that to be true. Excuse me, I think I'm going to be ill. [puke] Can someone tell me if there are legal requirements that must be met before I hurl?? I heard of someone else who got in big trouble over blowing chunks without permits, etc...... something about negligence...... [rolleyes] Thank you paratrooper, for saying what I have been thinking. |
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Posted: 3/30/2003 5:32:40 AM EDT
[#15]
My pleasure, kay9. [:D]
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Posted: 4/3/2003 5:26:08 PM EDT
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Been 4 days since a post, so here's a bump before I untack it.
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Posted: 4/3/2003 7:11:20 PM EDT
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Hey Bob. Anyway you can confirm you've received our contributions?
You're a good man to organize this. I'm glad I'm able to help at least a little. |
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Posted: 4/3/2003 7:57:02 PM EDT
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Quoted: Hey Bob. Anyway you can confirm you've received our contributions? You're a good man to organize this. I'm glad I'm able to help at least a little. I'm a little weary about posting who has contributed what because of the paranoia some guys have about anything being posted about them...you know what I'm talking about. Go to any organized shoot and see people throw themselves on the ground when a camera comes out...even though the only guns around are all legal. I have been IM'ing people and telling them I recieved how much from them, but I don't think the IM is working properly now [url]http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=3&t=180004&w=myTopicPop[/url] I do have you down for 2 tix 82nd. |
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Posted: 4/3/2003 8:30:17 PM EDT
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You're absolutely right - a lapse in my late night thought process.
And again, please send our sincerest condolences to the family. |
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Posted: 4/6/2003 10:30:58 PM EDT
[#20]
bump, why untack?
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Posted: 4/7/2003 1:31:04 PM EDT
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Quoted: bump, why untack? Don't know. There are only about 12 days left until the drawing. |
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Posted: 4/7/2003 10:16:24 PM EDT
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Did you get my contribution from zee postman?
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Posted: 4/7/2003 10:37:41 PM EDT
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Quoted: Did you get my contribution from zee postman? Gotcha down for 4 tix...Thanks! Bob |
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Posted: 4/9/2003 7:06:54 PM EDT
[#24]
Bump.... get in on this, guys!
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Posted: 4/10/2003 2:19:57 AM EDT
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Things that go "bump" in the night.
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Posted: 4/10/2003 6:06:07 AM EDT
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How many tickets have been sold already? I just want to know what my odds are.
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Posted: 4/10/2003 7:22:14 AM EDT
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I'm off to work now, i'll count 'em up when I get home and post it. Bob
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Posted: 4/10/2003 8:35:46 PM EDT
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Total tickets sold so far: 211
7 of those people have bought 10 tickets each. So 7 of the 55 people who have bought tickets have 70 of the 211. Thanks to all....only 8 days or so left. |
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Posted: 4/14/2003 4:53:28 PM EDT
[#29]
Only a few days left...
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Posted: 4/16/2003 6:02:34 PM EDT
[#30]
paypal sent
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Posted: 4/16/2003 8:13:05 PM EDT
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Quoted: paypal sent Got it! Thanks. |
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Posted: 4/18/2003 12:16:16 PM EDT
[#32]
Tonight at midnight is the deadline, we draw tommorrow! Get 'em if you want 'em.
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Posted: 4/18/2003 1:00:14 PM EDT
[#33]
Paypal sent.
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Posted: 4/18/2003 2:38:30 PM EDT
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Quoted: Paypal sent. Got it, Thanks! |
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Posted: 4/18/2003 3:13:59 PM EDT
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Paypal sent.
CHRIS |
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Posted: 4/18/2003 3:44:18 PM EDT
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Quoted: Paypal sent. CHRIS Your in! |
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Posted: 4/18/2003 3:56:55 PM EDT
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Paypal sent.
Cope |
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Posted: 4/18/2003 5:23:06 PM EDT
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Quoted: Paypal sent. Cope Your on my ticket list! |
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Posted: 4/18/2003 5:49:35 PM EDT
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Paypal sent
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Posted: 4/18/2003 6:09:11 PM EDT
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Quoted: Paypal sent Your name is in the hat! |
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Posted: 4/18/2003 7:35:26 PM EDT
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Quoted: Count me in for a $50.00 donation. [b]no raffle for me please. I just want to donate.[/b] Good luck on raising some funds. Damn, when you started it was only one prize. Now I want tickets... O-well good luck with the drawing. |
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Posted: 4/18/2003 8:06:10 PM EDT
[#42]
3 hours left to get tix....
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Posted: 4/18/2003 8:14:14 PM EDT
[#43]
JUST saw this, paypaled at 11:55 pm...
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Posted: 4/18/2003 8:42:08 PM EDT
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Quoted: JUST saw this, paypaled at 11:55 pm... Your name is in the lucky hat! |
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Posted: 4/18/2003 9:02:53 PM EDT
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just wanted to be sure that you got my check a few weeks back ?
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Posted: 4/18/2003 9:43:59 PM EDT
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Quoted: just wanted to be sure that you got my check a few weeks back ? For 5 tix...yep. My records with this raffle are totally accurate! |
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Posted: 4/18/2003 10:18:07 PM EDT
[#47]
One hour till the polls close and no more tickets will be available!
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Posted: 4/18/2003 10:38:01 PM EDT
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Did you want my address and ffl of where to send the Cav arms lower now or later?
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Posted: 4/18/2003 10:49:14 PM EDT
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Quoted: Did you want my address and ffl of where to send the Cav arms lower now or later? LOL...we will see...we will see...[;)] |
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Posted: 4/19/2003 1:09:06 PM EDT
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Total tickets sold: 259
I made all of them up and all are secured in my Leupold box until the drawing tonight. Rickinvegas will be videotaping the drawing and one of us will post the link so all can view it. We are meeting at the range at 9pm PST tonight so I'm not sure when it will be posted. Thanks and good luck to all...Bob [img]http://photos.ar15.com/ImageGallery/IG_LoadImage.asp?iImageUnq=10874[/img] [img]http://photos.ar15.com/ImageGallery/IG_LoadImage.asp?iImageUnq=10875[/img] I have been [b]very[/b] meticulous about the tickets and I have not missed any, I have a log with the name, amount of tix for each person and screennames. |
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