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Posted: 12/26/2012 9:26:23 PM EDT
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"Certification from local law enforcement of identity and that possession would not violate State or local law"
This means that if your local cleo is an anti you would be screwed as I'm sure he or she wouldn't sign off on it. |
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Posted: 12/26/2012 9:26:32 PM EDT
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So the plan is to confiscate mags now and confiscate pretty much all rifles when the owner passes on?
They are fucking insane if they think this is going to actually happen... |
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Posted: 12/26/2012 9:27:55 PM EDT
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Does the grandfather clause apply to the mags or is the 10 round part make everything greater in capacity illegal to own? Bunch of B.S.
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Posted: 12/26/2012 9:28:12 PM EDT
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this is going to be REAL bad if the republicans "compromise". it looks like its saying that grandfathering will be ok, as long as they are registered as title II (NFA) firearms. is this even legal? Well, it could eventually backfire and destroy NFA in its entirety. We could go from two to eiight years if no guns, to having everything overnight. How? |
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Posted: 12/26/2012 9:28:15 PM EDT
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this is going to be REAL bad if the republicans "compromise". it looks like its saying that grandfathering will be ok, as long as they are registered as title II (NFA) firearms. is this even legal? Well, it could eventually backfire and destroy NFA in its entirety. We could go from two to eiight years if no guns, to having everything overnight. Not. Worth. It. |
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Posted: 12/26/2012 9:29:31 PM EDT
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Good luck with that ATF funding thing. You mean an extra 500 employees processing initial registrations and then transfers in the future. And all the error checking on the submitted forms... Then theyll need another 100 people to answer the phones for status checks and questions. And all the city/county CLEOs will be unavailable for the next couple years signing forms. Again good luck. Them commies on the hill can fix anything cant they.
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Posted: 12/26/2012 9:29:56 PM EDT
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Fuck me, fuck me, fuck me. 
No. Fuck her. Fuck HER. FUCK HER. You can.. because I don't hit pussy that I have to beat cobwebs out of. |
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Posted: 12/26/2012 9:30:08 PM EDT
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You guys realize that the obstacle to confiscation right now is the fact that they have no idea where the fuck these guns are right?
You guys also realize that the reason the English and Australians had to turn in their guns was because they were registered right? |
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Posted: 12/26/2012 9:30:31 PM EDT
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The crazier the Bill is the less chance it has of passing. Not allowing the transfer is over the top IMO. |
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Posted: 12/26/2012 9:30:53 PM EDT
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this is going to be REAL bad if the republicans "compromise". it looks like its saying that grandfathering will be ok, as long as they are registered as title II (NFA) firearms. is this even legal? Well, it could eventually backfire and destroy NFA in its entirety. We could go from two to eiight years if no guns, to having everything overnight. How? If it was found in the courts that adding this to the NFA was against the 2A, all of NFA could come down, we would be under tyrannical revised NFA law in the meantime, |
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Posted: 12/26/2012 9:31:01 PM EDT
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What is this hunting and sporting purposes jazz? Where did that come from? KInd of like the ATFs Shotgun Study they did, has to be an approved recognized shooting sport, or used for hunting. |
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Posted: 12/26/2012 9:31:30 PM EDT
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Good luck with that ATF funding thing. You mean an extra 500 employees processing initial registrations and then transfers in the future. And all the error checking on the submitted forms... Then theyll need another 100 people to answer the phones for status checks and questions. And all the city/county CLEOs will be unavailable for the next couple years signing forms. Again good luck. Them commies on the hill can fix anything cant they. It would take years to process even with the funding. |
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Posted: 12/26/2012 9:31:56 PM EDT
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http://www.feinstein.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/assault-weapons Summary of 2013 legislation
Following is a summary of the 2013 legislation: Bans the sale, transfer, importation, or manufacturing of: 120 specifically-named firearms Certain other semiautomatic rifles, handguns, shotguns that can accept a detachable magazine and have one military characteristic Semiautomatic rifles and handguns with a fixed magazine that can accept more than 10 rounds Strengthens the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban and various state bans by: Moving from a 2-characteristic test to a 1-characteristic test Eliminating the easy-to-remove bayonet mounts and flash suppressors from the characteristics test Banning firearms with “thumbhole stocks” and “bullet buttons” to address attempts to “work around” prior bans Bans large-capacity ammunition feeding devices capable of accepting more than 10 rounds. Protects legitimate hunters and the rights of existing gun owners by: Grandfathering weapons legally possessed on the date of enactment Exempting over 900 specifically-named weapons used for hunting or sporting purposes and Exempting antique, manually-operated, and permanently disabled weapons Requires that grandfathered weapons be registered under the National Firearms Act, to include: Background check of owner and any transferee; Type and serial number of the firearm; Positive identification, including photograph and fingerprint; Certification from local law enforcement of identity and that possession would not violate State or local law; and Dedicated funding for ATF to implement registration So add to the NFA registry? Anyone have a lathe I can borrow? Might as well add a happy switch... |
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Posted: 12/26/2012 9:32:01 PM EDT
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this is going to be REAL bad if the republicans "compromise". it looks like its saying that grandfathering will be ok, as long as they are registered as title II (NFA) firearms. is this even legal? Well, it could eventually backfire and destroy NFA in its entirety. We could go from two to eiight years if no guns, to having everything overnight. How? If it was found in the courts that adding this to the NFA was against the 2A, all of NFA could come down, we would be under tyrannical revised NFA law in the meantime, And then we still have the GCA, FOPA, and all the other bullshit. It wouldn't make much of a difference. |
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Posted: 12/26/2012 9:32:23 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: What is this hunting and sporting purposes jazz? Where did that come from? KInd of like the ATFs Shotgun Study they did, has to be an approved recognized shooting sport, or used for hunting. Why? |
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Posted: 12/26/2012 9:33:45 PM EDT
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You guys realize that the obstacle to confiscation right now is the fact that they have no idea where the fuck these guns are right? You guys also realize that the reason the English and Australians had to turn in their guns was be ukase they were registered right? Yup. Will. Not. Comply. |
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Posted: 12/26/2012 9:33:58 PM EDT
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You guys realize that the obstacle to confiscation right now is the fact that they have no idea where the fuck these guns are right? You guys also realize that the reason the English and Australians had to turn in their guns was be ukase they were registered right? They are taking the first step to total confiscation. She already mentioned that that's their ultimate goal. They know people will comply, sadly. 
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Posted: 12/26/2012 9:33:59 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: this is going to be REAL bad if the republicans "compromise". it looks like its saying that grandfathering will be ok, as long as they are registered as title II (NFA) firearms. is this even legal? Well, it could eventually backfire and destroy NFA in its entirety. We could go from two to eiight years if no guns, to having everything overnight. How? If it was found in the courts that adding this to the NFA was against the 2A, all of NFA could come down, we would be under tyrannical revised NFA law in the meantime, Registration and licensing are not against the 2nd Amendment, according to the Supreme Court. |
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Posted: 12/26/2012 9:34:36 PM EDT
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Quoted: What is this hunting and sporting purposes jazz? Where did that come from? Its code for "useless against tyranny". |
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Posted: 12/26/2012 9:34:40 PM EDT
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Quoted: You guys realize that the obstacle to confiscation right now is the fact that they have no idea where the fuck these guns are right? You guys also realize that the reason the English and Australians had to turn in their guns was be ukase they were registered right? |
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Posted: 12/26/2012 9:34:57 PM EDT
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What is this hunting and sporting purposes jazz? Where did that come from? KInd of like the ATFs Shotgun Study they did, has to be an approved recognized shooting sport, or used for hunting. Why? Cause Anti's believe he 2nd Amendment to be about hunting and sporting competitions? |
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Posted: 12/26/2012 9:35:06 PM EDT
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Watch the panic buying increase 10 fold now!!
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Posted: 12/26/2012 9:35:49 PM EDT
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I refuse to comply.
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Posted: 12/26/2012 9:36:05 PM EDT
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Watch the panic buying increase 10 fold now!! Yep 
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Posted: 12/26/2012 9:36:28 PM EDT
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Fuck the bitch, fuck the Kenyan, fuck the pussified left, fuck it, just fuck anybody who would deprive another of their freedoms
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Posted: 12/26/2012 9:36:30 PM EDT
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http://www.feinstein.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/assault-weapons Summary of 2013 legislation
Following is a summary of the 2013 legislation: Bans the sale, transfer, importation, or manufacturing of: 120 specifically-named firearms Certain other semiautomatic rifles, handguns, shotguns that can accept a detachable magazine and have one military characteristic Semiautomatic rifles and handguns with a fixed magazine that can accept more than 10 rounds Strengthens the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban and various state bans by: Moving from a 2-characteristic test to a 1-characteristic test Eliminating the easy-to-remove bayonet mounts and flash suppressors from the characteristics test Banning firearms with “thumbhole stocks” and “bullet buttons” to address attempts to “work around” prior bans Bans large-capacity ammunition feeding devices capable of accepting more than 10 rounds. Protects legitimate hunters and the rights of existing gun owners by: Grandfathering weapons legally possessed on the date of enactment Exempting over 900 specifically-named weapons used for hunting or sporting purposes and Exempting antique, manually-operated, and permanently disabled weapons Requires that grandfathered weapons be registered under the National Firearms Act, to include: Background check of owner and any transferee; Type and serial number of the firearm; Positive identification, including photograph and fingerprint; Certification from local law enforcement of identity and that possession would not violate State or local law; and Dedicated funding for ATF to implement registration So add to the NFA registry? Anyone have a lathe I can borrow? Might as well add a happy switch... You can add to the NFA registry now. You just cannot add a Machinegun. I would assume that a new category of "assault rifle" would be created, and encompass semi-autos only. |
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Posted: 12/26/2012 9:37:16 PM EDT
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this is going to be REAL bad if the republicans "compromise". it looks like its saying that grandfathering will be ok, as long as they are registered as title II (NFA) firearms. is this even legal? Well, it could eventually backfire and destroy NFA in its entirety. We could go from two to eiight years if no guns, to having everything overnight. How? If it was found in the courts that adding this to the NFA was against the 2A, all of NFA could come down, we would be under tyrannical revised NFA law in the meantime, Registration and licensing are not against the 2nd Amendment, according to the Supreme Court. What of you close registration? |
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Posted: 12/26/2012 9:37:50 PM EDT
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The reason she made it so draconian is so the Republicans can compromise it down to the permanent 1994 ban.
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Posted: 12/26/2012 9:38:44 PM EDT
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You guys realize that the obstacle to confiscation right now is the fact that they have no idea where the fuck these guns are right? You guys also realize that the reason the English and Australians had to turn in their guns was be ukase they were registered right? They are taking the first step to total confiscation. She already mentioned that that's their ultimate goal. They know people will comply, sadly. What about people that own nothing but "off paper" firearms? Meaning all were acquired through private party transfers. Those people know there is no way anyone knows what they own, correct? Not me of course. Just asking. |
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Posted: 12/26/2012 9:38:49 PM EDT
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They even went after the bullet buttons.
Someone needs to make a video showing that a pistol grip is simply a piece of plastic (or wood,) and doesn't change how a firearm functions. Likewise, same with a telescoping stock. And how can we can create makeshift bayonet lugs by duct taping a big knife on the end of our rifles. Repeat this for all other "assault weapon features". Doubt it will help much, but some people have no idea what a pistol grip is and might seriously think it enables "spray fire". Though obviously, there will be those who want to ban firearms just because they want to... |
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Posted: 12/26/2012 9:39:08 PM EDT
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Feinswine is a fucking idiot. And I would not comply with such a ridiculous load of bullshit. |
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Posted: 12/26/2012 9:40:02 PM EDT
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I was going to email the cunt and tell her to fuck off and die but...I love my dog and just got my renewal of my concealed carry lic
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Posted: 12/26/2012 9:40:06 PM EDT
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The reason she made it so draconian is so the Republicans can compromise it down to the permanent 1994 ban. Maybe, but it could also be that she thinks this is what the public wants, after the school shooting. And it is what the Dems have wanted for a very long time. Fuck Them! Do not comply! |
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Posted: 12/26/2012 9:40:37 PM EDT
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I hope Idaho tells the feds to go fuck themselves.
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Posted: 12/26/2012 9:40:39 PM EDT
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Watch the panic buying increase 10 fold now!! I didn't think it could get any worse
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Posted: 12/26/2012 9:40:50 PM EDT
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The crazier the Bill is the less chance it has of passing. Yep. Add existing AWs to the NFA but no ability to still purchase and add to your NFA list? Even if most of that shit was acceptable to some that's a major poison pill right there, hope she keeps up with the psycho legislation. |
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Posted: 12/26/2012 9:40:58 PM EDT
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Double tap
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Posted: 12/26/2012 9:42:08 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: this is going to be REAL bad if the republicans "compromise". it looks like its saying that grandfathering will be ok, as long as they are registered as title II (NFA) firearms. is this even legal? Well, it could eventually backfire and destroy NFA in its entirety. We could go from two to eiight years if no guns, to having everything overnight. How? If it was found in the courts that adding this to the NFA was against the 2A, all of NFA could come down, we would be under tyrannical revised NFA law in the meantime, Registration and licensing are not against the 2nd Amendment, according to the Supreme Court. What of you close registration? Then you have to open it back up. This is what happened in DC. They closed the registry and said no more gun permits. So Heller sued, and the Supreme Court said that you have to open the registry back up and grant Heller a license to have a gun in his home because you're violating his Second Amendment rights. You can register his guns and make him get a license, but he has a right to keep a gun in his home for self defense. Literally, that's what they said.
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Posted: 12/26/2012 9:42:13 PM EDT
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You guys realize that the obstacle to confiscation right now is the fact that they have no idea where the fuck these guns are right? You guys also realize that the reason the English and Australians had to turn in their guns was be ukase they were registered right? They are taking the first step to total confiscation. She already mentioned that that's their ultimate goal. They know people will comply, sadly. What about people that own nothing but "off paper" firearms? Meaning all were acquired through private party transfers. Those people know there is no way anyone knows what they own, correct? Not me of course. Just asking. Contraband. Just like a WWII bring back sten or PPSH that never got papered. |
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Posted: 12/26/2012 9:42:36 PM EDT
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Maybe, but it could also be that she thinks this is what the public wants, after the school shooting. No. Look at how the NFA34, GCA68 and AWB94 went down. That is their M.O. |
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Posted: 12/26/2012 9:42:51 PM EDT
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The bill, as written, is so offensive that I question if it can pass the senate in its current form.
As for an increase in panic buying? There is nothing left to buy. |
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Posted: 12/26/2012 9:43:40 PM EDT
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this is going to be REAL bad if the republicans "compromise". it looks like its saying that grandfathering will be ok, as long as they are registered as title II (NFA) firearms. is this even legal? Well, it could eventually backfire and destroy NFA in its entirety. We could go from two to eiight years if no guns, to having everything overnight. How? If it was found in the courts that adding this to the NFA was against the 2A, all of NFA could come down, we would be under tyrannical revised NFA law in the meantime, Registration and licensing are not against the 2nd Amendment, according to the Supreme Court. What of you close registration? Then you have to open it back up. This is what happened in DC. They closed the registry and said no more gun permits. So Heller sued, and the Supreme Court said that you have to open the registry back up and grant Heller a license to have a gun in his home because you're violating his Second Amendment rights. You can register his guns and make him get a license, but he has a right to keep a gun in his home for self defense. Literally, that's what they said. Ok so we can't make Machineguns with evil features or 10+ round mags. Register beltfeds. 
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Posted: 12/26/2012 9:44:10 PM EDT
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You guys realize that the obstacle to confiscation right now is the fact that they have no idea where the fuck these guns are right? You guys also realize that the reason the English and Australians had to turn in their guns was be ukase they were registered right? They are taking the first step to total confiscation. She already mentioned that that's their ultimate goal. They know people will comply, sadly. What about people that own nothing but "off paper" firearms? Meaning all were acquired through private party transfers. Those people know there is no way anyone knows what they own, correct? Not me of course. Just asking. The first step is to register everything semi auto with nfa. Then all they have to do is wait for the next mass shooting to confiscate. Let's say they pass this bullshit, would you go out to the range with an un-registered semi auto? Then some piece of shit decides to go shoot up a mall with a 12ga pump, next on the nra registry. They are going for a domino effect. |
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Posted: 12/26/2012 9:44:16 PM EDT
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My prediction:
This will go no where. At best they'll get a ban on high cap mags. The registration piece is her sacrificial lamb.
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Posted: 12/26/2012 9:44:24 PM EDT
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http://www.feinstein.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/assault-weapons Summary of 2013 legislation
Following is a summary of the 2013 legislation: Bans the sale, transfer, importation, or manufacturing of: 120 specifically-named firearms Certain other semiautomatic rifles, handguns, shotguns that can accept a detachable magazine and have one military characteristic Semiautomatic rifles and handguns with a fixed magazine that can accept more than 10 rounds Strengthens the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban and various state bans by: Moving from a 2-characteristic test to a 1-characteristic test Eliminating the easy-to-remove bayonet mounts and flash suppressors from the characteristics test Banning firearms with “thumbhole stocks” and “bullet buttons” to address attempts to “work around” prior bans Bans large-capacity ammunition feeding devices capable of accepting more than 10 rounds. Protects legitimate hunters and the rights of existing gun owners by: Grandfathering weapons legally possessed on the date of enactment Exempting over 900 specifically-named weapons used for hunting or sporting purposes and Exempting antique, manually-operated, and permanently disabled weapons Requires that grandfathered weapons be registered under the National Firearms Act, to include: Background check of owner and any transferee; Type and serial number of the firearm; Positive identification, including photograph and fingerprint; Certification from local law enforcement of identity and that possession would not violate State or local law; and Dedicated funding for ATF to implement registration I fucking dare them to make them NFA. They will then be required to do an amnesty and we're ready for that. The shit storm that will result from that will be epic beyond measure. But hey, they'll get one thing added to the NFA and lose a bunch on the flip side. Trust me when I say, Feinstein does not want to go down this road... 
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Posted: 12/26/2012 9:44:56 PM EDT
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You guys realize that the obstacle to confiscation right now is the fact that they have no idea where the fuck these guns are right? You guys also realize that the reason the English and Australians had to turn in their guns was be ukase they were registered right? They are taking the first step to total confiscation. She already mentioned that that's their ultimate goal. They know people will comply, sadly. What about people that own nothing but "off paper" firearms? Meaning all were acquired through private party transfers. Those people know there is no way anyone knows what they own, correct? Not me of course. Just asking. Contraband. Just like a WWII bring back sten or PPSH that never got papered. Nevertheless, still no way of any authority knowing who owns what, correct? ATF tracks down original purchasers who say they legally sold it through PPT years ago, what can ATF do? |
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Posted: 12/26/2012 9:45:09 PM EDT
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Fuck the bitch, fuck the Kenyan, fuck the pussified left, fuck it, just fuck anybody who would deprive another of their freedoms +1 |
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Posted: 12/26/2012 9:45:12 PM EDT
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Quoted: dems lost their asses in 94..Quoted: Maybe, but it could also be that she thinks this is what the public wants, after the school shooting. No. Look at how the NFA34, GCA68 and AWB94 went down. That is their M.O. |
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Posted: 12/26/2012 9:45:13 PM EDT
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The reason she made it so draconian is so the Republicans can compromise it down to the permanent 1994 ban. well i'm not sure she thought about it so strategically, given that it's a knee-jerk issue for her, but i think it may work out that way. |
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Posted: 12/26/2012 9:45:57 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: this is going to be REAL bad if the republicans "compromise". it looks like its saying that grandfathering will be ok, as long as they are registered as title II (NFA) firearms. is this even legal? Well, it could eventually backfire and destroy NFA in its entirety. We could go from two to eiight years if no guns, to having everything overnight. How? If it was found in the courts that adding this to the NFA was against the 2A, all of NFA could come down, we would be under tyrannical revised NFA law in the meantime, Registration and licensing are not against the 2nd Amendment, according to the Supreme Court. What of you close registration? Then you have to open it back up. This is what happened in DC. They closed the registry and said no more gun permits. So Heller sued, and the Supreme Court said that you have to open the registry back up and grant Heller a license to have a gun in his home because you're violating his Second Amendment rights. You can register his guns and make him get a license, but he has a right to keep a gun in his home for self defense. Literally, that's what they said. Ok so we can't make Machineguns with evil features or 10+ round mags. Register beltfeds. Well, they mentioned machine guns and said " we're not talking about machine guns, just handguns...but we wonder if machine guns are uncommon because people don't need them or because they were banned." |
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