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Posted: 12/27/2014 9:11:53 AM EDT
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Say....why are municipalities struggling with their budgets all the time? The Port Authority of New York and New Jersey isn't a municipality, it's a government agency of NYS and NJ, nor is it struggling. It owns the bridges and tunnels connecting New York and New Jersey as well as Kennedy, La Guardia, and Newark Airports among other things. |
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Posted: 12/27/2014 9:12:40 AM EDT
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The PA of NY&NJ isn't a municipality, a state or a country, it's an agency that has NO power of taxation; only operates by setting fees at the toll plazas on river crossings between NJ and NYC, charge airlines various landing and take-off fees, charge bus companies fees at the terminal, fares on the Port Authority Trans-Hudson RR (PATH), etc. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Say....why are municipalities struggling with their budgets all the time? The PA of NY&NJ isn't a municipality, a state or a country, it's an agency that has NO power of taxation; only operates by setting fees at the toll plazas on river crossings between NJ and NYC, charge airlines various landing and take-off fees, charge bus companies fees at the terminal, fares on the Port Authority Trans-Hudson RR (PATH), etc. Tomayto...tomahto. |
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Posted: 12/27/2014 9:32:19 AM EDT
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There lots a hate up here. If they offer you the Ot and you take it is wrong? Get over it he is working he is there not at home. Don't want the guy to do Ot then hire more officers.
I'm a firefighter in a big county I had maditory Ot on Christmas because some ass holes called out sick. There was 20 call outs caused all kinds of issues .2000 firefighter and they haven't hired in 6 years we are 200 guys short! |
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Posted: 12/27/2014 9:34:16 AM EDT
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So the feds probably have dictates on how many officers have to be working. So the Officer is basically covering two shifts, saving the authority from having to hire 2 extra officers at a higher cost....
So who cares? Idiots who want to make big deal about cops making money that's who.... |
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Posted: 12/27/2014 9:36:19 AM EDT
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Wow, 14+ hour days, every week for 9 months? I'm impressed. I've done that many times, (as a LEO) but my base pay is so low that I barely make more than a McDonald's manager even with my OT.. 
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Posted: 12/27/2014 9:47:07 AM EDT
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Good for him. He didn't make the rules. Vote to change the politics or the union.
He put his time in, pay him. |
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Posted: 12/27/2014 10:03:35 AM EDT
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What happens in these instances is that everyone else refuses overtime in favor of the guys who are getting short, which enables them to increase their last years' salaries and entitles them to huge pensions.
The overtime is concentrated among the short timers, and not actually increased; but the pension systems are being hit for huge bucks. It's done all the time. |
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Posted: 12/27/2014 10:11:43 AM EDT
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Tomayto...tomahto. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Say....why are municipalities struggling with their budgets all the time? The PA of NY&NJ isn't a municipality, a state or a country, it's an agency that has NO power of taxation; only operates by setting fees at the toll plazas on river crossings between NJ and NYC, charge airlines various landing and take-off fees, charge bus companies fees at the terminal, fares on the Port Authority Trans-Hudson RR (PATH), etc. Tomayto...tomahto. no not really you can choose not to use the service they provide thus not paying for them you can not choose whether to pay your taxes due to you not using services apple tomayto |
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Posted: 12/27/2014 10:13:48 AM EDT
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They're gaming the system, but why is the system set up to be so easily gamed? Because givernment's main function is to feed and protect itself and it's employees. |
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Posted: 12/27/2014 10:15:59 AM EDT
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What happens in these instances is that everyone else refuses overtime in favor of the guys who are getting short, which enables them to increase their last years' salaries and entitles them to huge pensions. The overtime is concentrated among the short timers, and not actually increased; but the pension systems are being hit for huge bucks. It's done all the time. Basically this The senior guys (closer to retirement) get first dibs on OT |
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Posted: 12/27/2014 10:36:27 AM EDT
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It sounds like Pat Foye needs to be fired and replaced w/ someone who is better at matching staffing to the personnel requirements. Pensions need to be based on scheduled work plus personal contributions, or roll it into private plan.
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Posted: 12/27/2014 10:40:58 AM EDT
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Basically this The senior guys (closer to retirement) get first dibs on OT Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What happens in these instances is that everyone else refuses overtime in favor of the guys who are getting short, which enables them to increase their last years' salaries and entitles them to huge pensions. The overtime is concentrated among the short timers, and not actually increased; but the pension systems are being hit for huge bucks. It's done all the time. Basically this The senior guys (closer to retirement) get first dibs on OT This is BS.. Pension spiking should be removed from all govt jobs. |
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Posted: 12/27/2014 10:49:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This is BS.. Pensions spiking should be removed from all govt jobs. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: What happens in these instances is that everyone else refuses overtime in favor of the guys who are getting short, which enables them to increase their last years' salaries and entitles them to huge pensions. The overtime is concentrated among the short timers, and not actually increased; but the pension systems are being hit for huge bucks. It's done all the time. Basically this The senior guys (closer to retirement) get first dibs on OT This is BS.. Pensions spiking should be removed from all govt jobs. |
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Posted: 12/27/2014 10:59:44 AM EDT
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You take that $8K/mo pension and move the fuck out of NY to someplace with a far lower cost of living. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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$173K in NYC money... On a regional cost-of-living basis, that's like - what, maybe $14K in OKC or ELP money? You take that $8K/mo pension and move the fuck out of NY to someplace with a far lower cost of living. The south east is PACKED with these bastards... |
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Posted: 12/27/2014 11:03:33 AM EDT
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The south east is PACKED with these bastards... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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$173K in NYC money... On a regional cost-of-living basis, that's like - what, maybe $14K in OKC or ELP money? You take that $8K/mo pension and move the fuck out of NY to someplace with a far lower cost of living. The south east is PACKED with these bastards... Indeed. 
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Posted: 12/27/2014 11:05:00 AM EDT
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So the feds probably have dictates on how many officers have to be working. So the Officer is basically covering two shifts, saving the authority from having to hire 2 extra officers at a higher cost.... So who cares? Idiots who want to make big deal about cops making money that's who.... When you have a sweet Government Job, you soon forget the plight of those poor bastards who have to scratch out a living in the private sector. Their problem, is not your problem. It's not so much a lack of empathy...you just forget. Really, in the end, who cares about a little extra paid in tolls, or a little extra landing fees. At the end of the day, it's a "fuck you I got mine" kinda world anyway, right? |
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Posted: 12/27/2014 11:07:26 AM EDT
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$173K in NYC money... On a regional cost-of-living basis, that's like - what, maybe $14K in OKC or ELP money? You take that $8K/mo pension and move the fuck out of NY to someplace with a far lower cost of living. The south east is PACKED with these bastards... Indeed. So I've heard. But it's all good since New York Pension Money is drained from that state to be spent elsewhere. |
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Posted: 12/27/2014 11:12:04 AM EDT
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Cook county here in il has a similar problem and it's due to the overtime rules the union set up and the county agreed to. If you go one minute over your normal time it's counted as an hour. All the cops plan then to relieve their co-workers 1 minute late so that they all get an extra hour of overtime.
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Posted: 12/27/2014 11:14:50 AM EDT
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Unions help put the people in charge that built a system that is easy for the members to use and abuse .
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Posted: 12/27/2014 11:18:57 AM EDT
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$173K in NYC money... On a regional cost-of-living basis, that's like - what, maybe $14K in OKC or ELP money? You take that $8K/mo pension and move the fuck out of NY to someplace with a far lower cost of living. The south east is PACKED with these bastards... Indeed. I should mention that I really dont have a problem with the pensions, other than being jealous that mine wont come close to comparing. My FIL and his brother both did the same thing. I do wish there was a screening process to keep the liberal jackasses out though |
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Posted: 12/27/2014 11:21:59 AM EDT
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Your effectiveness in overtime is severely diminished.
If you're awake. 
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Posted: 12/27/2014 11:25:31 AM EDT
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I am definitely in the wrong business.
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Posted: 12/27/2014 11:26:17 AM EDT
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Good, I have no issue with this
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Posted: 12/27/2014 11:30:18 AM EDT
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If I had gotten on the PAPD, I'm not so sure I would have left for the FD. It would have been a tough decision, that's for sure.
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Posted: 12/27/2014 11:31:29 AM EDT
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I'm sure he's real effective after 14+ hour days for 9 mon that straight.
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Posted: 12/27/2014 11:31:34 AM EDT
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Link Thirteen Port Authority police officers will make more than executive director Pat Foye’s $289,000 annual salary thanks to overtime, according to an analysis by The Record that was published Thursday.
And the top 43 Port Authority overtime earners all worked for the agency’s police department. The top overtime earner was Officer Morris Cofield, a 21-year veteran who more than tripled his base pay of $69,231 by logging $172,919 in overtime during the first nine months of the year. He averaged 59 hours of overtime a week, The Record reported. Now that's some final 3 year total I bet. Cha-ching !!! http://i.imgur.com/4QYDZP4.gif Sleeping on the job....  " />
DOCK THAT (GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEE) A DAY'S PAY FOR NAPPIN' ON THA JOB |
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Posted: 12/27/2014 11:34:04 AM EDT
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This is BS.. Pension spiking should be removed from all govt jobs. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What happens in these instances is that everyone else refuses overtime in favor of the guys who are getting short, which enables them to increase their last years' salaries and entitles them to huge pensions. The overtime is concentrated among the short timers, and not actually increased; but the pension systems are being hit for huge bucks. It's done all the time. Basically this The senior guys (closer to retirement) get first dibs on OT This is BS.. Pension spiking should be removed from all govt jobs. LOL so much derp. ETA You realize a lot of folks try to make as much as possible when they get older to boost their social security also. This is no different. |
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Posted: 12/27/2014 11:58:08 AM EDT
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Good for him.  Yes, because hosing the tax payer is always a good thing 
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Posted: 12/27/2014 12:27:39 PM EDT
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Yes, because hosing the tax payer is always a good thing Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Good for him. Yes, because hosing the tax payer is always a good thing They might be hiring 
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Posted: 12/27/2014 12:39:35 PM EDT
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Meh.....
They have the hours so people take them. Still cheaper to pay one guy OT etc than to hire 3 more people. If this guy wasn't a cop everyone would be kissing his ass and praising at the altar of capitalism. |
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Posted: 12/27/2014 12:47:23 PM EDT
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Meh..... They have the hours so people take them. Still cheaper to pay one guy OT etc than to hire 3 more people. If this guy wasn't a cop everyone would be kissing his ass and praising at the altar of capitalism. Yep |
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Posted: 12/27/2014 12:47:43 PM EDT
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If I had gotten on the PAPD, I'm not so sure I would have left for the FD. It would have been a tough decision, that's for sure. I worked with a guy who got DQ'd a few days before he was set to enter the PAPD academy. We used to constantly bust his balls and ask him what the total amount of money he lost was to date.
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Posted: 12/27/2014 12:52:14 PM EDT
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I hate how in the northeast these agencies are always something "authority." Bow down to the New Jersey Water Authority Chicago has TMA or Traffic Management Authority, who's responsibility is to direct traffic consistent with the control lights in an intersection. So essentially, they tell you to go when there is a green light and tell you to stop when there is a red light.....
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Posted: 12/27/2014 12:52:46 PM EDT
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I'm not I worked almost that long or longer on my last deployment for way less.
Quote HistoryQuoted: Wow, 14+ hour days, every week for 9 months? I'm impressed. |
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Posted: 12/27/2014 12:56:47 PM EDT
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WTF
I will retire with 25 yrs and only get $2957, guess I chose the wrong carrier Free Quote HistoryQuoted: $3000 or so a month. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Fuck that, I hope he has a good tax guy, uncle sam doesn't make all that ot worth it for me. They're doing it for the pension. How much would that increase the pension? $3000 or so a month. |
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Posted: 12/27/2014 12:58:32 PM EDT
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That pension fund has to be endangered or critical.
How can you base a guys pension off of his last three years service and still keep it funded? |
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Posted: 12/27/2014 1:02:34 PM EDT
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WTF I will retire with 25 yrs and only get $2957, guess I chose the wrong carrier. You should have gone with more btus. 
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Posted: 12/27/2014 1:03:10 PM EDT
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Oh come on These officers would never do anything unethical at tax payer expense. I am starting to wonder who the criminals are these days But hey....it's only tax payer money right? And to think they beleive they are patriotic...fucking their fellow citizens 
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Posted: 12/27/2014 1:03:51 PM EDT
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LOL so much derp. ETA You realize a lot of folks try to make as much as possible when they get older to boost their social security also. This is no different. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What happens in these instances is that everyone else refuses overtime in favor of the guys who are getting short, which enables them to increase their last years' salaries and entitles them to huge pensions. The overtime is concentrated among the short timers, and not actually increased; but the pension systems are being hit for huge bucks. It's done all the time. Basically this The senior guys (closer to retirement) get first dibs on OT This is BS.. Pension spiking should be removed from all govt jobs. LOL so much derp. ETA You realize a lot of folks try to make as much as possible when they get older to boost their social security also. This is no different. That might actually be the most willfully ignorant thing said here, in all of 2014. Yeah, I know there's still a few days to go, but I wouldn't bet against you at this point. |
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Posted: 12/27/2014 1:05:01 PM EDT
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WTF I will retire with 25 yrs and only get $2957, guess I chose the wrong carrier Free Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Fuck that, I hope he has a good tax guy, uncle sam doesn't make all that ot worth it for me. They're doing it for the pension. How much would that increase the pension? $3000 or so a month. no. you should have been an officer
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Posted: 12/27/2014 1:09:54 PM EDT
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FSA
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Posted: 12/27/2014 1:10:54 PM EDT
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FSA Financially Secure Army? |
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Posted: 12/27/2014 1:24:00 PM EDT
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Oh come on These officers would never do anything unethical at tax payer expense. I am starting to wonder who the criminals are these days But hey....it's only tax payer money right? And to think they beleive they are patriotic...fucking their fellow citizens Let me guess Union member? Lmfao |
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Posted: 12/27/2014 1:25:05 PM EDT
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Yes, because hosing the tax payer is always a good thing Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Good for him. Yes, because hosing the tax payer is always a good thing how are they hosing the taxpayer? by collecting the compensation due them for the work performed? |
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Posted: 12/27/2014 1:26:40 PM EDT
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how are they hosing the taxpayer? by collecting the compensation due them for the work performed? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Good for him. Yes, because hosing the tax payer is always a good thing how are they hosing the taxpayer? by collecting the compensation due them for the work performed? Its all about the pension.....higher values due to higher annual compensation....not to mention higher social security...for the rest of their lives. |
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Posted: 12/27/2014 1:30:48 PM EDT
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That might actually be the most willfully ignorant thing said here, in all of 2014. Yeah, I know there's still a few days to go, but I wouldn't bet against you at this point. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What happens in these instances is that everyone else refuses overtime in favor of the guys who are getting short, which enables them to increase their last years' salaries and entitles them to huge pensions. The overtime is concentrated among the short timers, and not actually increased; but the pension systems are being hit for huge bucks. It's done all the time. Basically this The senior guys (closer to retirement) get first dibs on OT This is BS.. Pension spiking should be removed from all govt jobs. LOL so much derp. ETA You realize a lot of folks try to make as much as possible when they get older to boost their social security also. This is no different. That might actually be the most willfully ignorant thing said here, in all of 2014. Yeah, I know there's still a few days to go, but I wouldn't bet against you at this point. not even close. try "However one would have to assume that somebody with body armor, a chest rig and a decent AR would be [a tier one operator]." |
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Posted: 12/27/2014 1:31:50 PM EDT
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Oh come on These officers would never do anything unethical at tax payer expense. I am starting to wonder who the criminals are these days But hey....it's only tax payer money right? And to think they beleive they are patriotic...fucking their fellow citizens Let me guess Union member? Lmfao nope. what is being done that is unethical at taxpayer expense? |
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Posted: 12/27/2014 1:33:04 PM EDT
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Its all about the pension.....higher values due to higher annual compensation....not to mention higher social security...for the rest of their lives. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Good for him. Yes, because hosing the tax payer is always a good thing how are they hosing the taxpayer? by collecting the compensation due them for the work performed? Its all about the pension.....higher values due to higher annual compensation....not to mention higher social security...for the rest of their lives. annndddd, how is that hosing the taxpayer? it is promised compensation for the work performed. what do YOU do for a living? |
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Posted: 12/27/2014 1:36:40 PM EDT
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So why is it that they don't just hire an extra guy for each of the guys that are racking in more than 20 hours of OT per week? It sounds more cost effective. Recruiting, training and equipping the extra guy plus his pay and benefits totals more than time and a half for an existing employee? |
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Posted: 12/27/2014 1:36:47 PM EDT
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They're gaming the system, but why is the system set up to be so easily gamed?   It used to be based on their last 12 months, not average the last 3 years. It didnt matter if I worked 10,000 hours of OT, or None..my Pension was based off my base salary, the only way to increase it was by staying longer, and the max was 5% (30 Years) onec past 30 years your pension was fixed no matter how long you stuck it out
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