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Posted: 12/29/2015 12:02:46 PM EDT
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Thanks for your concern, but what we really need is full incorporation of the Second Amendment so we can beat the crap down in court. In the meantime we will fight with what we have. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Quote HistoryQuoted:
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CA gun owners need to flee the state. Sadly, most won't until they hear the truck tailgates banging, and by then it's too late. Thanks for your concern, but what we really need is full incorporation of the Second Amendment so we can beat the crap down in court. In the meantime we will fight with what we have. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile And you will continue to lose every battle in a war that is already lost. |
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Posted: 12/29/2015 12:03:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Or if I want to rob you safely, I can just report you and then invade your home at my leisure. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Police in California can seize guns without prior notice starting Jan. 1 Family members who believe a loved one poses a danger to themselves or others will be able to ask police to seek a temporary "gun violence” restraining order from a judge beginning Jan. 1. The order would allow police to seize the person’s guns for 21 days. *** Under the new law, a restraining order could be issued without prior knowledge of the person. In other words, a judge could issue the order without ever hearing from the person in question, if there are reasonable grounds to believe the person is a threat based on accounts from the family and police. *** After three weeks, the person can challenge the judge’s decision. So on the word of a family member you can't get your guns taken away then in three weeks have to go to court to prove your innocence to get them back, I could have sworn in the US a person is presumed innocent until proven guilty according to the law. Seems to me the issuing judge is the one that needs to go to court and prove the person stripped of their rights was guilty not the other way around. Or if I want to rob you safely, I can just report you and then invade your home at my leisure. |
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Posted: 12/29/2015 12:04:25 PM EDT
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Time to hide guns from the family. But they can't because guns are registered. Another reason that freedom is dead in CA. |
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Posted: 12/29/2015 12:05:32 PM EDT
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No due process. What do we call people that take other peoples' property from them without due process? Thieves. Fair game. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 12/29/2015 12:07:10 PM EDT
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And the shooting hasn't started yet......why?
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Posted: 12/29/2015 12:11:53 PM EDT
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There is no possibility for abuse at all as guaranteed by top men.
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Posted: 12/29/2015 12:14:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: But they can't because guns are registered. Another reason that freedom is dead in CA. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Time to hide guns from the family. But they can't because guns are registered. Another reason that freedom is dead in CA. |
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Posted: 12/29/2015 12:17:43 PM EDT
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And the shooting hasn't started yet......why? Go get em, turbo. |
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Posted: 12/29/2015 12:19:47 PM EDT
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Uhh yeah. They took an oath. No way would cops violate a constitutional amendment. Highway to the tinfoil zone. but they are protecting us!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I swear many cops today would be the first ones to put on the knee high leather boots, brown shirts, and arm bands if the politicians told them to |
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Posted: 12/29/2015 12:21:20 PM EDT
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Insane
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Posted: 12/29/2015 12:22:34 PM EDT
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No due process. What do we call people that take other peoples' property from them without due process? Thieves. I'd call them dead. |
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Posted: 12/29/2015 12:28:43 PM EDT
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Thanks for your concern, but what we really need is full incorporation of the Second Amendment so we can beat the crap down in court. In the meantime we will fight with what we have. The Second Amendment applies to the states. It just doesn't mean what you think it does. The Bill of Rights Article II* Self-defense being important, the right of the people to keep a handgun in their home may be restricted, regulated, licensed and taxed at the convenience of local, state and Federal officials. * as interpreted by the Federal judiciary |
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Posted: 12/29/2015 12:44:34 PM EDT
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What's your theory on why they don't? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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We would live in a great country if all the police enforced the provisions in the BORs as strenuously as they do drug and gun laws. What's your theory on why they don't? They get off on denying people their rights. |
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Posted: 12/29/2015 1:02:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This article says Texas has the same law and CA used it as a precedent to pass theirs. Indiana also had a similar law that withstood a court challenge. http://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/texas/article/Texas-clarifies-mental-crisis-guns-policy-4908331.php Get out of here with that bullshit! GD ant burners want to hate Kalifornia!!!! I still don't care about this law. For me, I maintain more than one safe, in more than one address. |
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Posted: 12/29/2015 1:11:32 PM EDT
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You know how NY hates to be out-done by CA when it comes to guns. When does their new legislative session start?
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Posted: 12/29/2015 1:12:02 PM EDT
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Get out of here with that bullshit! GD ant burners want to hate Kalifornia!!!! I still don't care about this law. For me, I maintain more than one safe, in more than one address. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This article says Texas has the same law and CA used it as a precedent to pass theirs. Indiana also had a similar law that withstood a court challenge. http://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/texas/article/Texas-clarifies-mental-crisis-guns-policy-4908331.php Get out of here with that bullshit! GD ant burners want to hate Kalifornia!!!! I still don't care about this law. For me, I maintain more than one safe, in more than one address. That's a lot of bullet buttons. |
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Posted: 12/29/2015 1:18:49 PM EDT
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Am I alone in thinking that it will take at least a year and a lawsuit to get your guns back?
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Posted: 12/29/2015 1:21:49 PM EDT
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That wont be abused.
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Posted: 12/29/2015 1:23:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's a lot of bullet buttons. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Get out of here with that bullshit! GD ant burners want to hate Kalifornia!!!! I still don't care about this law. For me, I maintain more than one safe, in more than one address. That's a lot of bullet buttons. I honestly don't know what this means?  |
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Posted: 12/29/2015 1:27:52 PM EDT
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It's like seeing 20 years into VA's future...
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Posted: 12/29/2015 1:30:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's a lot of bullet buttons. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: This article says Texas has the same law and CA used it as a precedent to pass theirs. Indiana also had a similar law that withstood a court challenge. http://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/texas/article/Texas-clarifies-mental-crisis-guns-policy-4908331.php Get out of here with that bullshit! GD ant burners want to hate Kalifornia!!!! I still don't care about this law. For me, I maintain more than one safe, in more than one address. That's a lot of bullet buttons. Bullet buttons? Is that for full automatic fire or the shoulder thing that goes up? |
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Posted: 12/29/2015 1:31:19 PM EDT
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I thought they could already do that. Fuck california politics.
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Posted: 12/29/2015 1:32:22 PM EDT
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Bullet buttons? Is that for full automatic fire or the shoulder thing that goes up? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This article says Texas has the same law and CA used it as a precedent to pass theirs. Indiana also had a similar law that withstood a court challenge. http://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/texas/article/Texas-clarifies-mental-crisis-guns-policy-4908331.php Get out of here with that bullshit! GD ant burners want to hate Kalifornia!!!! I still don't care about this law. For me, I maintain more than one safe, in more than one address. That's a lot of bullet buttons. Bullet buttons? Is that for full automatic fire or the shoulder thing that goes up? A fully automatic shoulder shroud that goes up. |
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Posted: 12/29/2015 1:38:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I thought they could already do that. Fuck california politics. LOL, https://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1822152_.html |
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Posted: 12/29/2015 1:43:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I know for a fact my ex wife would have used that just to fuck with my life when we were getting divorced. That's exactly how it will be abused. Pissed off wives, pissed off mother-in-laws, pissed off sister-in-laws, daughters pissed at their dad, etc. etc. |
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Posted: 12/29/2015 1:44:09 PM EDT
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Yeah right, 21 days and then they simply don't give them back and you have to spend $87,000 on lawsuits and they just ignore the judgement anyway. Years later, some asshole drops off a rusted pile of crap with case numbers etched into the receivers, missing optics, no ammo and all pre-ban items melted down.
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Posted: 12/29/2015 1:47:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What's your theory on why they don't? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: We would live in a great country if all the police enforced the provisions in the BORs as strenuously as they do drug and gun laws. What's your theory on why they don't? Incentive. People will always do what they're incentivized to do. If you want a salesman to sell more of something, you increase his commission on that item. If you want a police officer to enforce more of something, you put quotas on it and/or push it as a department agenda. If police departments nationwide said tomorrow "we need to write more tickets for jaywalking", you'd see a massive spike in tickets for jaywalking. It's that simple. |
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Posted: 12/29/2015 1:49:06 PM EDT
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What politicians have firearms?
"She is a nervous wreck about Trump.. I think she might hurt someone" |
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Posted: 12/29/2015 1:50:36 PM EDT
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Police in California can seize guns without prior notice starting Jan. 1 Family members who believe a loved one poses a danger to themselves or others will be able to ask police to seek a temporary “gun violence” restraining order from a judge beginning Jan. 1. The order would allow police to seize the person’s guns for 21 days.
*** Under the new law, a restraining order could be issued without prior knowledge of the person. In other words, a judge could issue the order without ever hearing from the person in question, if there are reasonable grounds to believe the person is a threat based on accounts from the family and police. *** After three weeks, the person can challenge the judge’s decision. So on the word of a family member you can't get your guns taken away then in three weeks have to go to court to prove your innocence to get them back, I could have sworn in the US a person is presumed innocent until proven guilty according to the law. Seems to me the issuing judge is the one that needs to go to court and prove the person stripped of their rights was guilty not the other way around. You are correct, but, California is only US by location. |
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Posted: 12/29/2015 1:51:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I still don't care about this law. For me, I maintain more than one safe, in more than one address. The simple fact that you HAVE to do that means you have no excuse to be defending your state. |
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Posted: 12/29/2015 1:51:28 PM EDT
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I thought they could already do that. Fuck california politics. LOL, https://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1822152_.html yea, that'll pass. I would have never even heard of that if it weren't for GD. Dumb ass bills get put out there all of the time. |
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Posted: 12/29/2015 1:55:40 PM EDT
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Nice.....
Not only do accusers not have to prove (just assert) anything but loser has to convince judge of innocence,,,afterwards. 
Can't get more "american" than that. That's the new "equal protection". 
Obviously evil for even wanting your guns returned. |
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Posted: 12/29/2015 1:56:15 PM EDT
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And you will continue to lose every battle in a war that is already lost. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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CA gun owners need to flee the state. Sadly, most won't until they hear the truck tailgates banging, and by then it's too late. Thanks for your concern, but what we really need is full incorporation of the Second Amendment so we can beat the crap down in court. In the meantime we will fight with what we have. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile And you will continue to lose every battle in a war that is already lost. No shit. Your state has declared war on you and you think it will respect the laws? History has shown us time and time again that The State(the Golden One in this case) can and will make up the law as it sees fit, and you California gun owners are today's boogie-men. |
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Posted: 12/29/2015 2:09:44 PM EDT
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"Cops don't want to take your guns away"
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Posted: 12/29/2015 2:14:26 PM EDT
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I know for a fact my ex wife would have used that just to fuck with my life when we were getting divorced. Yup. Me too. Mine tried. The guns were gone already though. I saw her games ahead of time. |
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Posted: 12/29/2015 2:21:43 PM EDT
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Reason 1032 I will never live in CA.
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Posted: 12/29/2015 2:22:50 PM EDT
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My sister asked me to be the executor of her state about a month before she died from cancer.
She had specific provisions in her will on how the money was to be doled out to her surviving children (one adult, two minors). Her first husband didn't like that and was trying to fuck his own son out of his inheritance. Fast forward about 8 months after her death the X tries to strangle me in the middle of a Sears store on a Saturday. The following Monday him and his new wife are at the courthouse trying to get an OP/restraining order put out against me. I quickly got a lawyer, and put on a nice suit and went to the court room. The judge saw through their bullshit, and denied it. Then the new wife had a meltdown in the courtroom and made up all this bullshit about me and saying "BUT...BUT...BUT..HE HAS ALL THESE GUNS!" My lawyer grabbed me by the elbow and was like "let's get out of here." So, yeah, this new law is going to be used vindictively by spiteful family members or X family members. |
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Posted: 12/29/2015 2:26:40 PM EDT
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Time to call in about two insane bitches in CA, Pelosi and Boxer, need to have their homes raided guns taken away.
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Posted: 12/29/2015 2:28:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nanny State bullshit This |
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Posted: 12/29/2015 2:30:47 PM EDT
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But they can't because guns are registered. Another reason that freedom is dead in CA. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Time to hide guns from the family. But they can't because guns are registered. Another reason that freedom is dead in CA. However if the judge's warrant is only for the residence and you store most of your collection off site at an undisclosed location what are they going to do? |
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Posted: 12/29/2015 2:40:36 PM EDT
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There's some worse gun states than CA. Like NY, NJ and now CT Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Yep, CT has had a law like that for years. CA is just playing catch up. No Ct: Open carry Nfa and class 3 No stupid bullet button No list of approved handguns I can still buy a preban lower Nice try |
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Posted: 12/29/2015 2:41:32 PM EDT
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No Ct: Open carry Nfa and class 3 No stupid bullet button No list of approved handguns I can still buy a preban lower Nice try Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Yep, CT has had a law like that for years. CA is just playing catch up. No Ct: Open carry Nfa and class 3 No stupid bullet button No list of approved handguns I can still buy a preban lower Nice try CT has open carry, nfa and class 3? Very cool, I didn't know that. |
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Posted: 12/29/2015 2:50:21 PM EDT
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Yeah, I'm pretty much at a loss to say anything about this that wouldn't get me locked, banned, or possibly arrested. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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CoC prevents my reply. Yeah, I'm pretty much at a loss to say anything about this that wouldn't get me locked, banned, or possibly arrested. CoC block
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Posted: 12/29/2015 2:52:25 PM EDT
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However if the judge's warrant is only for the residence and you store most of your collection off site at an undisclosed location what are they going to do? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Time to hide guns from the family. But they can't because guns are registered. Another reason that freedom is dead in CA. However if the judge's warrant is only for the residence and you store most of your collection off site at an undisclosed location what are they going to do? Get a warrant for that other location*. Or hold you in contempt of court for not turning in these other guns with serial numbers Xxxxx, Yyyyy, and Zzzzz. * = that is what Lexus Nexis is for. It tells the .gov what and where all your properties are, real estate, boats, planes, motorcycles...anything that has either a title or a deed. |
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Posted: 12/29/2015 2:55:00 PM EDT
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Yep, CT has had a law like that for years. CA is just playing catch up. Which is why I don't talk to my family anymore...well that, and the way they acted at my wedding. 
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Posted: 12/29/2015 2:56:07 PM EDT
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No Ct: Open carry Nfa and class 3 No stupid bullet button No list of approved handguns I can still buy a preban lower Nice try Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Yep, CT has had a law like that for years. CA is just playing catch up. No Ct: Open carry Nfa and class 3 No stupid bullet button No list of approved handguns I can still buy a preban lower Nice try Ca- No open carry. Concealed with permit. No NFA or class three outside of Hollywood and cops. Bullet buttons all of the guns! Evil features! Handgun list. Many older guns not aproved. No new handguns. Pre ban AR-15 lowers are regestered assult weapons and cannot be transferred. Postban have bullet buttons. No normal cap mags. No NV or thermal on rifles (yah, yah... you first stupid). No .50 BMG. No pistols with external mag location. And many many many many more! And many many many more coming soon! |
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Posted: 12/29/2015 2:56:21 PM EDT
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FPNI.
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Posted: 12/29/2015 2:56:40 PM EDT
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No Ct: Open carry Nfa and class 3 No stupid bullet button No list of approved handguns I can still buy a preban lower Nice try Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Yep, CT has had a law like that for years. CA is just playing catch up. No Ct: Open carry Nfa and class 3 No stupid bullet button No list of approved handguns I can still buy a preban lower Nice try It's better in Luxembourg...
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Posted: 12/29/2015 3:28:32 PM EDT
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I know for a fact my ex wife would have used that just to fuck with my life when we were getting divorced. Yeah, I immediately saw that potential for abuse. |
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Posted: 12/29/2015 3:30:14 PM EDT
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Slouching toward a totalitarian communist police state one law at a time. What you did there, I see it. |
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