[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Pistol brace rule signed (VACATED 6/13/24) (Page 15 of 160)
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Quoted: Sounds like the braces you want to convert have to be already assembled. Enforcement starts NOW.(may wait 60 days) pg 14 Quoted: Sounds like the braces you want to convert have to be already assembled. Enforcement starts NOW.(may wait 60 days) pg 14 Notwithstanding the 120-day compliance period, discussed above, the rule is immediately effective in that the Department may seek to enforce the NFA’s requirements with respect to any new making or new transfer of a weapon with an attached “stabilizing brace”that constitutes a short-barreled rifle under the NFA. The Department believes that delaying enforcement of the relevant NFA provisions is not necessary to allow an equitable opportunity for compliance because all persons, through publication of this rule, have received notice that the NFA may in fact apply to their conduct. Further delaying enforcement also would be in consistent with public safety. Therefore, ATF may enforce the NFA against any person or entity that—any time after the publication date of this rule—newly makes or transfers a weapon with an attached “stabilizing brace” that constitutes a short-barreled rifle under the NFA. For purposes of the Congressional Review Act, however, the Department will wait to actually initiate such enforcement actions for at least 60 days from publication of the rule in the Federal Register. As a dealer, Pg. 14-15 plainly reads that ANY and ALL pistol braced inventory that we have in stock, as is, is now DEAD IN THE WATER. If we sell just one braced firearm, we are DONE as business owners and as free men.. for selling something that just the previous day was perfectly legal to sell, own, and within our rights to do so. Is the solution to just remove the braces and sell them without, or is there something else buried within 292 pages that I missed? 
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Quoted: ATF Pg 209-210 Quoted: Quoted: We can have an injunction next week if 40 million people are about to be made felons. ATF Pg 209-210 Department Response The Department disagrees with the assertions that this rule is intended to or will make felons of law-abiding citizens. This rule does not itself impose any new restrictions; instead, this rule articulates the best interpretation of the relevant statutory terms. Nothing in this rule changes those underlying statutory requirements. Nor does this rule affect “stabilizing brace” devices alone. Further, the Department disagrees with the comment that three million law-abiding citizens will be subject to harsh fines and forfeiture of firearms. Commenters with these objections failed to recognize that nothing in the rule or the relevant statutes prevents an individual from continuing to possess or use a “stabilizing brace” on heavy pistols or rifles. This rule only serves to clarify that certain weapons equipped with “stabilizing braces” are short-barreled rifles regulated under the NFA, thus requiring registration, transfer and making approval, and the payment of a making or transfer tax. Furthermore, this rule also provides options for individuals who are in possession of a firearm equipped with a “stabilizing brace” that is an unregistered short-barreled rifle, as that statutory term is properly understood. The options for current unlicensed possessors include the removal and replacement of the offending feature (the barrel less than 16 inches); submission of an ATF E-Form 1 by [INSERT DATE 120 DAYS AFTER DATE OF PUBLICATION IN THE FEDERAL REGISTER], to register the firearm as a short-barreled rifle; removal of the “stabilizing brace” so that it cannot be reattached to the firearm; turning the firearm into a local ATF office; or destroying the firearm. For a detailed discussion of the options available for individuals to comply with the statute, see section V.B of this preamble. In an exercise of the Department’s enforcement discretion, it has determined that any criminal liability for failure to take the necessary action to comply with Federal law for weapons that have already been made will result only for conduct occurring after the time period to register ends. Additionally, in lieu of criminal prosecution, the Department may, for conduct occurring after the 120-day period, pursue forfeiture of the firearm pursuant to 26 U.S.C. 5872. The Department also disagrees this rule needlessly harms citizens by risking exposure of PII. The NFA requires that the registry of NFA firearms in the NFRTR include the identification of the firearm, date of registration, and identification and address of person entitled to possession of the firearm. See 26 U.S.C. 5841. The information in the NFRTR is confidential, and ATF officers or employees and other persons are prohibited by law from disclosing confidential NFA tax information. 40 million braces and if braces make a pistol an sbr, then 40 million is in common use, time to do away with the NFA. May this bullshit ruling boomerang hard on the ATF. |
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Quoted: Wait, wha what? To rephrase: This rule doesn't make millions of current firearms felony possession. It only makes firearms possession of certain guns, of which there are millions, a felony possession. It just fucking said that. Also, why do all the official texts refer to paying a license fee, yet everyone keeps saying its free. It didn't say anything in that text, about free - it said you have to pay the tax fee. Reading the whole thing raised my blood pressure about 20 points. I'm tired of the diversity hiring jobs program that is our government treating us like we're idiots. |
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Quoted: 40 million braces and if braces make a pistol an sbr, then 40 million is in common use, time to do away with the NFA. May this bullshit ruling boomerang hard on the ATF. I mean....they HAVE to know this is going to backfire. Almost like they sabotage this on purpose .... |
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Quoted: As a dealer, Pg. 14-15 plainly reads that ANY and ALL pistol braced inventory that we have in stock, as is, is now DEAD IN THE WATER. If we sell just one braced firearm, we are DONE as business owners and as free men.. for selling something that just the previous day was perfectly legal to sell, own, and within our rights to do so. Is the solution to just remove the braces and sell them without, or is there something else buried within 292 pages that I missed? Quoted: Quoted: Sounds like the braces you want to convert have to be already assembled. Enforcement starts NOW.(may wait 60 days) pg 14 Notwithstanding the 120-day compliance period, discussed above, the rule is immediately effective in that the Department may seek to enforce the NFA’s requirements with respect to any new making or new transfer of a weapon with an attached “stabilizing brace”that constitutes a short-barreled rifle under the NFA. The Department believes that delaying enforcement of the relevant NFA provisions is not necessary to allow an equitable opportunity for compliance because all persons, through publication of this rule, have received notice that the NFA may in fact apply to their conduct. Further delaying enforcement also would be in consistent with public safety. Therefore, ATF may enforce the NFA against any person or entity that—any time after the publication date of this rule—newly makes or transfers a weapon with an attached “stabilizing brace” that constitutes a short-barreled rifle under the NFA. For purposes of the Congressional Review Act, however, the Department will wait to actually initiate such enforcement actions for at least 60 days from publication of the rule in the Federal Register. As a dealer, Pg. 14-15 plainly reads that ANY and ALL pistol braced inventory that we have in stock, as is, is now DEAD IN THE WATER. If we sell just one braced firearm, we are DONE as business owners and as free men.. for selling something that just the previous day was perfectly legal to sell, own, and within our rights to do so. Is the solution to just remove the braces and sell them without, or is there something else buried within 292 pages that I missed? I didn't think any of this was official until official publication, which it sort of isn't yet. Though, yea, I imagine there are some impressive sales coming our way soon. |
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Quoted: Lotta compliance in this thread for a buncha people yelling will not comply the last decade  If you are or are not going to comply, a public forum that is watched closely by the feebs isn't the place to discuss it. |
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Quoted: The upshot is that there isn't a bright line rule or straightforward test to assist the public with compliance. The ATF intends to make each determination on a case by case basis. If history is an indication, enforcement will vary widely in different jurisdictions. Its going to be: "we will take your gun, we think its an illegal SBR, if you let us keep it and dont try and challenge our opinion in court, we wont prosecute you for the felony for which you'll spend 5 figures in attorney fees that will not get repaid, no matter the final outcome" |
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Quoted: the fact that people like you ask this shit is why this country is dying ? I wanna sbr a mp5 clone, I don't want to pay $200. There's a difference between complying and playing the game. Do you actively do anything for your firearms rights? Or just shit post on forums? |
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Quoted: As a dealer, Pg. 14-15 plainly reads that ANY and ALL pistol braced inventory that we have in stock, as is, is now DEAD IN THE WATER. If we sell just one braced firearm, we are DONE as business owners and as free men.. for selling something that just the previous day was perfectly legal to sell, own, and within our rights to do so. Is the solution to just remove the braces and sell them without, or is there something else buried within 292 pages that I missed? Quoted: Quoted: Sounds like the braces you want to convert have to be already assembled. Enforcement starts NOW.(may wait 60 days) pg 14 Notwithstanding the 120-day compliance period, discussed above, the rule is immediately effective in that the Department may seek to enforce the NFA’s requirements with respect to any new making or new transfer of a weapon with an attached “stabilizing brace”that constitutes a short-barreled rifle under the NFA. The Department believes that delaying enforcement of the relevant NFA provisions is not necessary to allow an equitable opportunity for compliance because all persons, through publication of this rule, have received notice that the NFA may in fact apply to their conduct. Further delaying enforcement also would be in consistent with public safety. Therefore, ATF may enforce the NFA against any person or entity that—any time after the publication date of this rule—newly makes or transfers a weapon with an attached “stabilizing brace” that constitutes a short-barreled rifle under the NFA. For purposes of the Congressional Review Act, however, the Department will wait to actually initiate such enforcement actions for at least 60 days from publication of the rule in the Federal Register. As a dealer, Pg. 14-15 plainly reads that ANY and ALL pistol braced inventory that we have in stock, as is, is now DEAD IN THE WATER. If we sell just one braced firearm, we are DONE as business owners and as free men.. for selling something that just the previous day was perfectly legal to sell, own, and within our rights to do so. Is the solution to just remove the braces and sell them without, or is there something else buried within 292 pages that I missed? Well let's put that tyranny to the test. https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-ar-15-complete-mft-battlelink-classic-lower-black.html Cheapest I can find. 149.99 w free shipping. Log in. Add to cart. 8.25 tax for a total of 158.24$. Plus 1$ for GOA (I swear that used to be NRA which I never contributed to) 159.24. Select FFL. Select payment....and submit order. There we go let's dance. |
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Quoted: Does the pistol need a brace? Or if I buy an AP5, can i get a free stamp? |
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Quoted: FAQ 20 indicates CLEO required. I plan to read the rule itself to find text IRT engraving; FAQs typically not legally binding. Unless there are some bizzaro world rules they want to apply to this particular situation, CLEO doesn't really matter with NFA. You send him CLEO copies of the paperwork as a courtesy but he doesn't get a say in the matter. I suspect mine throws them straight in the trash anyways. Basically, you mail him his copies, he probably ignores them, no one cares and he can't do much about it anyways. 
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Quoted: I have a friend who wants to SBR his non-AR for free under this rule, however, it does not have a brace on it (just a pistol end cap). What are the odds the ATF will require a picture of gun with a brace on it to be approved? Part of me wants to tell him slim-to-none, but knowing his luck, they will ask for one. Then again, he could probably grab a brace for cheap and then register and save some money (just not as much). And before anyone complains, he was going the SBR route anyway... They didnt mention photographs required. Technically the amnesty $0 registry requires you to ALREADY HAVE THE BRACE ON THE GUN as of the date it is published in the federal registrar (likely Tuesday). |
| You guys that keep saying some are giving in to this. Many of us have and continue to say, if we already have NFA items on the books, why would we not take advantage of not having to give uncle sugar $200? We can be against the FAFT, the FNFA, the FGCA, etc and still be complying with the same NFA laws we have been the entire time. Funny how all you cheat pounders Hadnt said shit to NFA owners up this point. |
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Quoted: According to this even the old style AR pistols with only a buffer tube is now illegal. (4) whether the surface area that allows the weapon to be fired from the shoulder is created by a buffer tube, receiver extension, or any other accessory, component, or other rearward attachment that is necessary for the cycle of operations; Isn't that some shit. 
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Quoted: Why sell it? If you're worried about legal issues just put a 14.5 p/w barrel on it till this shit gets overturned. Quoted: Quoted: . I will comply. I have wife and a family and a dog. A $700 AR pistol is not worth risking a felony charge. Anyone want to buy it? I figure I have 90 days to sell it. Why sell it? If you're worried about legal issues just put a 14.5 p/w barrel on it till this shit gets overturned. @DaltonGuy You could always hide it like the people who did the bumpstocks. |
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Quoted: Everyone who registered their firearms (after amnesties/reclassifications/etc) now has a transferable NFA weapon, everyone who didn't now has something they have to hide in their crawlspace, or cut into chunks and sell as a parts kit. Globally? The NFA has been around since about the time Stalin and Hitler came into power, and well before Pol Pot and Mao ......and they haven't been "rounded up" , nor have we been loaded onto boxcars yet Just fucking stop Sir, there is unregulated commerce of “illicit” firearms taking place literally everywhere across this great nation. Not only amongst gang members and the more criminally inclined populations, but among regular everyday men and women who literally don’t give a fuck, won’t give a fuck and won’t ever be bothered by our illustrious friends in the BATF. Cats out of the bag, as they say, and the more tiresome and lengthy the regulations become, the less likely the average man will be inclined to follow them. People will continue to use their unregistered SBRs, machine guns and SBSs daily and nary a hair on their head will ever be rustled by a big bad agent. |
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Quoted: They didnt mention photographs required. Technically the amnesty $0 registry requires you to ALREADY HAVE THE BRACE ON THE GUN as of the date it is published in the federal registrar (likely Tuesday). |
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Quoted: Its going to be: "we will take your gun, we think its an illegal SBR, if you let us keep it and dont try and challenge our opinion in court, we wont prosecute you for the felony for which you'll spend 5 figures in attorney fees that will not get repaid, no matter the final outcome" Which will blow up in their faces the first time someone with resources gets hit by it. Some of you *really* have not bothered to learn the lessons from previous ATF vs Citizen cases........ |
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Quoted: 40 million braces and if braces make a pistol an sbr, then 40 million is in common use, time to do away with the NFA. May this bullshit ruling boomerang hard on the ATF. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: We can have an injunction next week if 40 million people are about to be made felons. ATF Pg 209-210 Department Response The Department disagrees with the assertions that this rule is intended to or will make felons of law-abiding citizens. This rule does not itself impose any new restrictions; instead, this rule articulates the best interpretation of the relevant statutory terms. Nothing in this rule changes those underlying statutory requirements. Nor does this rule affect “stabilizing brace” devices alone. Further, the Department disagrees with the comment that three million law-abiding citizens will be subject to harsh fines and forfeiture of firearms. Commenters with these objections failed to recognize that nothing in the rule or the relevant statutes prevents an individual from continuing to possess or use a “stabilizing brace” on heavy pistols or rifles. This rule only serves to clarify that certain weapons equipped with “stabilizing braces” are short-barreled rifles regulated under the NFA, thus requiring registration, transfer and making approval, and the payment of a making or transfer tax. Furthermore, this rule also provides options for individuals who are in possession of a firearm equipped with a “stabilizing brace” that is an unregistered short-barreled rifle, as that statutory term is properly understood. The options for current unlicensed possessors include the removal and replacement of the offending feature (the barrel less than 16 inches); submission of an ATF E-Form 1 by [INSERT DATE 120 DAYS AFTER DATE OF PUBLICATION IN THE FEDERAL REGISTER], to register the firearm as a short-barreled rifle; removal of the “stabilizing brace” so that it cannot be reattached to the firearm; turning the firearm into a local ATF office; or destroying the firearm. For a detailed discussion of the options available for individuals to comply with the statute, see section V.B of this preamble. In an exercise of the Department’s enforcement discretion, it has determined that any criminal liability for failure to take the necessary action to comply with Federal law for weapons that have already been made will result only for conduct occurring after the time period to register ends. Additionally, in lieu of criminal prosecution, the Department may, for conduct occurring after the 120-day period, pursue forfeiture of the firearm pursuant to 26 U.S.C. 5872. The Department also disagrees this rule needlessly harms citizens by risking exposure of PII. The NFA requires that the registry of NFA firearms in the NFRTR include the identification of the firearm, date of registration, and identification and address of person entitled to possession of the firearm. See 26 U.S.C. 5841. The information in the NFRTR is confidential, and ATF officers or employees and other persons are prohibited by law from disclosing confidential NFA tax information. 40 million braces and if braces make a pistol an sbr, then 40 million is in common use, time to do away with the NFA. May this bullshit ruling boomerang hard on the ATF. ATF used the words " popular, common, plethora" around page 6. |
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Quoted: Isn't that some shit. Quoted: Quoted: According to this even the old style AR pistols with only a buffer tube is now illegal. (4) whether the surface area that allows the weapon to be fired from the shoulder is created by a buffer tube, receiver extension, or any other accessory, component, or other rearward attachment that is necessary for the cycle of operations; Isn't that some shit. Read this in context of the whole section, and they state more than once in that PDF, that pistol tube AR pistols are GTG. THe fact the tube needs to be there for the firearm to function (the BCG/buffer spring) + being a smooth tube without provisions to attach a stock means the "surface area" of the pistol tube doesnt count. So what someone needs to do is make an new AR type gun with a 10" buffer tube of twice the diameter to swallow a double size double length BCG/buffer/spring. |
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Quoted: ATF Pg 209-210 Quoted: Quoted: We can have an injunction next week if 40 million people are about to be made felons. ATF Pg 209-210 Department Response The Department disagrees with the assertions that this rule is intended to or will make felons of law-abiding citizens. This rule does not itself impose any new restrictions; instead, this rule articulates the best interpretation of the relevant statutory terms. Nothing in this rule changes those underlying statutory requirements. Nor does this rule affect “stabilizing brace” devices alone. Further, the Department disagrees with the comment that three million law-abiding citizens will be subject to harsh fines and forfeiture of firearms. Commenters with these objections failed to recognize that nothing in the rule or the relevant statutes prevents an individual from continuing to possess or use a “stabilizing brace” on heavy pistols or rifles. This rule only serves to clarify that certain weapons equipped with “stabilizing braces” are short-barreled rifles regulated under the NFA, thus requiring registration, transfer and making approval, and the payment of a making or transfer tax. Furthermore, this rule also provides options for individuals who are in possession of a firearm equipped with a “stabilizing brace” that is an unregistered short-barreled rifle, as that statutory term is properly understood. The options for current unlicensed possessors include the removal and replacement of the offending feature (the barrel less than 16 inches); submission of an ATF E-Form 1 by [INSERT DATE 120 DAYS AFTER DATE OF PUBLICATION IN THE FEDERAL REGISTER], to register the firearm as a short-barreled rifle; removal of the “stabilizing brace” so that it cannot be reattached to the firearm; turning the firearm into a local ATF office; or destroying the firearm. For a detailed discussion of the options available for individuals to comply with the statute, see section V.B of this preamble. In an exercise of the Department’s enforcement discretion, it has determined that any criminal liability for failure to take the necessary action to comply with Federal law for weapons that have already been made will result only for conduct occurring after the time period to register ends. Additionally, in lieu of criminal prosecution, the Department may, for conduct occurring after the 120-day period, pursue forfeiture of the firearm pursuant to 26 U.S.C. 5872. The Department also disagrees this rule needlessly harms citizens by risking exposure of PII. The NFA requires that the registry of NFA firearms in the NFRTR include the identification of the firearm, date of registration, and identification and address of person entitled to possession of the firearm. See 26 U.S.C. 5841. The information in the NFRTR is confidential, and ATF officers or employees and other persons are prohibited by law from disclosing confidential NFA tax information. Attached File |
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Quoted: Once its a SBR you can put a stock on it as any other SBR 10. ONCE THE FIREARM IS REGISTERED AS A SHORT-BARRELED RIFLE (SBR) CAN I REMOVE/CHANGE THE “STABILIZING BRACE” OR ATTACH AN ITEM MARKETED AS A STOCK? IF SO, AM I REQUIRED TO NOTIFY ATF IN ADVANCE? • Yes, the firearm is registered as an SBR, and you can change out the “brace” device or stock for a different brace or stock. You do not need to contact ATF/NFA because changing the brace/stock does not change the configuration of the SBR. However, if the length of the firearm has changed you will need to notify the NFA Division. Well I'll be damned. Is it illegal to buy a $25 pistol brace right now?
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ATF says NO to PISTOL BRACES - THIS IS BAD! Failed To Load Title |
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Quoted: Which will blow up in their faces the first time someone with resources gets hit by it. Some of you *really* have not bothered to learn the lessons from previous ATF vs Citizen cases........ Quoted: Quoted: Its going to be: "we will take your gun, we think its an illegal SBR, if you let us keep it and dont try and challenge our opinion in court, we wont prosecute you for the felony for which you'll spend 5 figures in attorney fees that will not get repaid, no matter the final outcome" Which will blow up in their faces the first time someone with resources gets hit by it. Some of you *really* have not bothered to learn the lessons from previous ATF vs Citizen cases........ well I certainly HOPE someone does. But someone with lots of money is not likely to risk a felony and will probably have SBRed whatever toys they want (or have already graduated to MGs) |
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Quoted: So, we taking bets on what percentage of ARFCOM is gonna fold like a cheap napkin? The problem with such a bet is the honor system. The ones yelling "will not comply!" and wearing Molon Labe Spartan shirts for the last decade are already looking up how to get their "free" registration. Getting the "free" registration is even more cowardly than "will not comply". I don't see that crowd self-reporting how they bitched out, lol. They'll keep that info quietly between them and aft. |
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Quoted: well I certainly HOPE someone does. But someone with lots of money is not likely to risk a felony and will probably have SBRed whatever toys they want (or have already graduated to MGs) Considering that the thing which everyone is pretending can't happen has happened several times just in the last few years I'm mostly going to call bull on the endless doom-huffing. |
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Quoted: ? I wanna sbr a mp5 clone, I don't want to pay $200. There's a difference between complying and playing the game. Do you actively do anything for your firearms rights? Or just shit post on forums? If you don't get it now, you absolutely never will. But someone buying an MP5 (funko pop range toy) is already a red flag that guns are just toys to you. |
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The only real reason I would register a brace (which I do not currently own), would be for something that there is not a better option. Take a glock brace - I don't know of a glock stock that is better. That said, in a year or two, there probably may be as who the blue fuck would continue to buy a brace if they have to SBR it anyway. |
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Quoted: As a dealer, Pg. 14-15 plainly reads that ANY and ALL pistol braced inventory that we have in stock, as is, is now DEAD IN THE WATER[/b]. If we sell just one braced firearm, we are DONE as business owners and as free men.. for selling something that just the previous day was perfectly legal to sell, own, and within our rights to do so. Is the solution to just remove the braces and sell them without, or is there something else buried within 292 pages that I missed? I dont know what your solution is but there are multiple parts to this. If you sold a already "braced" pistol to someone and the ATF says it was a illegal transfer then you have committed a crime in their eyes. That is why you cant sell it with the brace when the rule is in effect. The "amnesty" is referring to this fact that a pistol sold with a brace attached was "actually" a SBR. Again I am talking about transferred or sold with a brace mounted to the firearm. This is also why there is no engraving requirement for these pistols. No need to engrave because it was a SBR from inception. If manufacturers sold it and shipped it without a brace it would still be a pistol. If you bought a brace separately and then attached it to a pistol you would technically be guilty but only you would know. Take off the brace and mount a 16" upper or whatever and its back to a rifle. You CANT make a illegally transferred SBR into a rifle or braceless pistol after the fact. Thats the amnesty part. Anyone with a brace at home and a 16" upper just has a spare shitty stock. |
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Quoted: I have an AP5, AP5P, AK102, and an 11.5" AR all waiting to get stamps. I was waiting to see the ruling on this before I made a move one way or another. I have a HK53 clone being built, I'm sure that AP5 brace will come in handy when I get it in. They want to play fuck fuck games, we can too. Talk about it online, don't talk about it online. You guys do you and live and let live. These guns were already getting stamps bc let's be real, MP5's and AK's are ugly with braces and suck to shoot without an actual stock, so at least those three had it comin. Quoted: Quoted: They didnt mention photographs required. Technically the amnesty $0 registry requires you to ALREADY HAVE THE BRACE ON THE GUN as of the date it is published in the federal registrar (likely Tuesday). That was the genesis of my post which was quoted earlier. How does the ATF know, or not, that the pistol in question has a brace on it at all? It appears that they could/can ask for photographic proof that you have a brace on it, but will they? That's the question my friend is after. |
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Quoted: If you don't get it now, you absolutely never will. But someone buying an MP5 (funko pop range toy) is already a red flag that guns are just toys to you. Quoted: Quoted: ? I wanna sbr a mp5 clone, I don't want to pay $200. There's a difference between complying and playing the game. Do you actively do anything for your firearms rights? Or just shit post on forums? If you don't get it now, you absolutely never will. But someone buying an MP5 (funko pop range toy) is already a red flag that guns are just toys to you. |
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Quoted: The problem with such a bet is the honor system. The ones yelling "will not comply!" and wearing Molon Labe Spartan shirts for the last decade are already looking up how to get their "free" registration. Getting the "free" registration is even more cowardly than "will not comply". I don't see that crowd self-reporting how they bitched out, lol. They'll keep that info quietly between them and aft. OK, I'll bite; how is refusing to comply "cowardly"? |
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Quoted: ? I wanna sbr a mp5 clone, I don't want to pay $200. There's a difference between complying and playing the game. Do you actively do anything for your firearms rights? Or just shit post on forums? Quoted: Quoted: the fact that people like you ask this shit is why this country is dying ? I wanna sbr a mp5 clone, I don't want to pay $200. There's a difference between complying and playing the game. Do you actively do anything for your firearms rights? Or just shit post on forums? He has pictures of Garand Thumb saved on his hard drive, if that means anything to you. |
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Quoted: That was the genesis of my post which was quoted earlier. How does the ATF know, or not, that the pistol in question has a brace on it at all? It appears that they could/can ask for photographic proof that you have a brace on it, but will they? That's the question my friend is after. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: They didnt mention photographs required. Technically the amnesty $0 registry requires you to ALREADY HAVE THE BRACE ON THE GUN as of the date it is published in the federal registrar (likely Tuesday). That was the genesis of my post which was quoted earlier. How does the ATF know, or not, that the pistol in question has a brace on it at all? It appears that they could/can ask for photographic proof that you have a brace on it, but will they? That's the question my friend is after. which now gets back to the whole, amnesty, if it's a stock and they are pretty much saying all pistols are SBR's at this point, what difference does it make whether it is braced or just a buffer tube, bc the intent and according to the AFT, make it an SBR by default and therefore this amnesty covers all that, not just braces. That is what it seems to me. |