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Posted: 5/16/2014 11:33:43 AM EDT
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This thread will cost me a lot of money.
Soon as I get my semi MG3 build done this is my next purchase. |
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Posted: 5/16/2014 11:34:08 AM EDT
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I wonder if HK parts will drop in? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Look at the Bolt head... 
http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/component/virtuemart/shipping-rifles/9mm-pistol-detail.html?Itemid=0 That is ATROCIOUS. Hopefully it's the worst example available. They are built under HK LC. Supposedly the paki made HK products are G2G. |
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Posted: 5/16/2014 11:35:02 AM EDT
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Paki-Made = Best-Made.
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Posted: 5/16/2014 11:43:46 AM EDT
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Look at the Bolt head...
http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/component/virtuemart/shipping-rifles/9mm-pistol-detail.html?Itemid=0 That is ATROCIOUS. Hopefully it's the worst example available. Dang! That looks like some of the crap the Nazis were producing, made by slave labor, in the last days of WWII. 
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Posted: 5/16/2014 11:48:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Look at the Bolt head... http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/component/virtuemart/shipping-rifles/9mm-pistol-detail.html?Itemid=0 That is ATROCIOUS. Hopefully it's the worst example available. Paki made! Get a replacement from RobertRTG when the paki bolt breaks. |
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Posted: 5/16/2014 11:56:49 AM EDT
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If someone made a gun, Pakistan made a clone of that gun.
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Posted: 5/16/2014 12:00:27 PM EDT
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If someone made a gun, Pakistan made a clone of that gun. Darra Adamkhel, the silicon valley of cloned firearms. Video |
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Posted: 5/16/2014 12:04:41 PM EDT
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I have read the ATF letter dated March 5th about the "AR15 pistol" being fired from the shoulder and where it references the Sig arm brace.
Given the inherent design differences between the AR and the HK94 I have to wonder about the legality on this one. The original design of the AR15 utilizes a buffer tube/receiver extension and that is what the SIG brace goes over. The HK 94 design has no such buffer tube/receiver extension so I have to wonder how the addition of this does not change the classification of the gun into a SBR. You are adding what clearly serves as a stock. |
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Posted: 5/16/2014 12:16:13 PM EDT
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I have read the ATF letter about the Sig arm brace and the letter clearly speaks to an AR15 pistol so I have to wonder on this one. The original design of the AR15 utilizes a buffer tube and that is what the SIG brace goes over. The HK 94 design has no such buffer tube so I have to wonder how the addition of this does not change the classification of the gun into a SBR. You are adding what clearly serves as a stock. Just stop. It's been done ad infinitum. Go to the AR pistol forum or just search here. |
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Posted: 5/16/2014 12:20:55 PM EDT
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Dang! That looks like some of the crap the Nazis were producing, made by slave labor, in the last days of WWII. http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/images/stories/virtuemart/product/pof9mm9.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Look at the Bolt head...
http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/component/virtuemart/shipping-rifles/9mm-pistol-detail.html?Itemid=0 That is ATROCIOUS. Hopefully it's the worst example available. Dang! That looks like some of the crap the Nazis were producing, made by slave labor, in the last days of WWII. http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/images/stories/virtuemart/product/pof9mm9.jpg What's wrong with that? I know NOTHING about HKs. Just curious. |
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Posted: 5/16/2014 12:23:15 PM EDT
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Just stop. It's been done ad infinitum. Go to the AR pistol forum or just search here. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I have read the ATF letter about the Sig arm brace and the letter clearly speaks to an AR15 pistol so I have to wonder on this one. The original design of the AR15 utilizes a buffer tube and that is what the SIG brace goes over. The HK MP5/94 design has no such buffer tube so I have to wonder how the addition of this does not change the classification of the gun into a SBR. You are adding what clearly serves as a stock. Just stop. It's been done ad infinitum. Go to the AR pistol forum or just search here. Why would I want to delve into the AR15 pistol forum again when the topic at hand is about a completely different firearm that has a different design than what the letter addresses? An approved accessory on one gun does not make it approved on another. This is an HKSP89 turned into an NFA SBR. 
Do you not think that the addition of the PDW stock does not turn an HK SP89 pistol into an SBR? 
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Posted: 5/16/2014 12:36:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why would I want to delve into the AR15 pistol forum again when the topic at hand is about a completely different firearm that has a different design than what the letter addresses?
An approved accessory on one gun does not make it approved on another. Bud, the SIG brace is available from SIG on their Swiss Army AK derived 5.56mm pistol, and on various AK pistols, none of which require a buffer tube for operation. Get w/ the program. |
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Posted: 5/16/2014 12:40:36 PM EDT
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Just stop. It's been done ad infinitum. Go to the AR pistol forum or just search here. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I have read the ATF letter about the Sig arm brace and the letter clearly speaks to an AR15 pistol so I have to wonder on this one. The original design of the AR15 utilizes a buffer tube and that is what the SIG brace goes over. The HK 94 design has no such buffer tube so I have to wonder how the addition of this does not change the classification of the gun into a SBR. You are adding what clearly serves as a stock. Just stop. It's been done ad infinitum. Go to the AR pistol forum or just search here. And it's STILL fucking stupid. Man up and get your damn stamp. |
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Posted: 5/16/2014 12:45:33 PM EDT
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Bud, the SIG brace is available from SIG on their Swiss Army AK derived 5.56mm pistol, and on various AK pistols, none of which require a buffer tube for operation. Get w/ the program. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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An approved accessory on one gun does not make it approved on another. Bud, the SIG brace is available from SIG on their Swiss Army AK derived 5.56mm pistol, and on various AK pistols, none of which require a buffer tube for operation. Get w/ the program. indeed. so what the hell is this neckbeard i keep reading about? |
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Posted: 5/16/2014 12:47:33 PM EDT
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What's wrong with that? I know NOTHING about HKs. Just curious. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Look at the Bolt head...
http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/component/virtuemart/shipping-rifles/9mm-pistol-detail.html?Itemid=0 That is ATROCIOUS. Hopefully it's the worst example available. Dang! That looks like some of the crap the Nazis were producing, made by slave labor, in the last days of WWII. http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/images/stories/virtuemart/product/pof9mm9.jpg What's wrong with that? I know NOTHING about HKs. Just curious. http://www.hkparts.net/shop/pc/MP5-94-MP5K-SP89-Bolt-Head-US-90p1241.htm#.U3Z5Oom9K0c ignore the post sticking out of the right side of the bolt head (Paki pic), it's supposed to be there. Check out the part to the right of the little paper clip spring. On the HK, it's finely machined. On the Paki, it looks like someone took a G3 bolt head and ground it down on a chunk of concrete. |
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Posted: 5/16/2014 12:50:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Look at the Bolt head... http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/component/virtuemart/shipping-rifles/9mm-pistol-detail.html?Itemid=0 That is ATROCIOUS. Hopefully it's the worst example available. Dang! That looks like some of the crap the Nazis were producing, made by slave labor, in the last days of WWII. http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/images/stories/virtuemart/product/pof9mm9.jpg What's wrong with that? I know NOTHING about HKs. Just curious. http://www.hkparts.net/shop/pc/MP5-94-MP5K-SP89-Bolt-Head-US-90p1241.htm#.U3Z5Oom9K0c And.... |
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Posted: 5/16/2014 12:53:51 PM EDT
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Why would I want to delve into the AR15 pistol forum again when the topic at hand is about a completely different firearm that has a different design than what the letter addresses? An approved accessory on one gun does not make it approved on another. This is an HKSP89 turned into an NFA SBR. http://i59.tinypic.com/sd2yhd.jpg Do you not think that the addition of the PDW stock does not turn an HK SP89 pistol into an SBR? http://i58.tinypic.com/16gwu8m.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I have read the ATF letter about the Sig arm brace and the letter clearly speaks to an AR15 pistol so I have to wonder on this one. The original design of the AR15 utilizes a buffer tube and that is what the SIG brace goes over. The HK MP5/94 design has no such buffer tube so I have to wonder how the addition of this does not change the classification of the gun into a SBR. You are adding what clearly serves as a stock. Just stop. It's been done ad infinitum. Go to the AR pistol forum or just search here. Why would I want to delve into the AR15 pistol forum again when the topic at hand is about a completely different firearm that has a different design than what the letter addresses? An approved accessory on one gun does not make it approved on another. This is an HKSP89 turned into an NFA SBR. http://i59.tinypic.com/sd2yhd.jpg Do you not think that the addition of the PDW stock does not turn an HK SP89 pistol into an SBR? http://i58.tinypic.com/16gwu8m.jpg http://sigsauer.com/CatalogProductDetails/p556-classic-pistol-with-sb15-pistol-stabilizing-brace.aspx 
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Posted: 5/16/2014 12:55:03 PM EDT
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And it's STILL fucking stupid. Man up and get your damn stamp. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I have read the ATF letter about the Sig arm brace and the letter clearly speaks to an AR15 pistol so I have to wonder on this one. The original design of the AR15 utilizes a buffer tube and that is what the SIG brace goes over. The HK 94 design has no such buffer tube so I have to wonder how the addition of this does not change the classification of the gun into a SBR. You are adding what clearly serves as a stock. Just stop. It's been done ad infinitum. Go to the AR pistol forum or just search here. And it's STILL fucking stupid. Man up and get your damn stamp. They work, don't gave a waiting period, are generally still classified as a pistol for CCW purposes and travel to another states. Works best to have both! |
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Posted: 5/16/2014 12:55:53 PM EDT
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Look at the Bolt head...
http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/component/virtuemart/shipping-rifles/9mm-pistol-detail.html?Itemid=0 That is ATROCIOUS. Hopefully it's the worst example available. Dang! That looks like some of the crap the Nazis were producing, made by slave labor, in the last days of WWII. http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/images/stories/virtuemart/product/pof9mm9.jpg What's wrong with that? I know NOTHING about HKs. Just curious. http://www.hkparts.net/shop/pc/MP5-94-MP5K-SP89-Bolt-Head-US-90p1241.htm#.U3Z5Oom9K0c And.... I'm not explaining it to the mod of the HK sub forum. You KNOW the Paki version bolt head looks terrible. Maybe it's camera angle/compression. I doubt it though |
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Posted: 5/16/2014 1:06:15 PM EDT
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And knowing that it costs me an extra $200 and a long wait for a regular buttstock just pisses me off. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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ATF said you could use it however you like... And knowing that it costs me an extra $200 and a long wait for a regular buttstock just pisses me off. Doesn't it though? How the ATF gets away with extorting cash for really nothing more than rubber stamping a form, that's what pisses me off. Free money, woo-hoo, free money. |
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Posted: 5/16/2014 1:15:58 PM EDT
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damn wish i had the $$ that one of my grail guns.. Me too!! I may have to sell a couple of AR's to get one but I don't see what other option I have as I MUST get one....and SBR it 
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Posted: 5/16/2014 1:19:20 PM EDT
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I have read the ATF letter about the Sig arm brace and the letter clearly speaks to an AR15 pistol so I have to wonder on this one. The original design of the AR15 utilizes a buffer tube and that is what the SIG brace goes over. The HK MP5/94 design has no such buffer tube so I have to wonder how the addition of this does not change the classification of the gun into a SBR. You are adding what clearly serves as a stock. Just stop. It's been done ad infinitum. Go to the AR pistol forum or just search here. Why would I want to delve into the AR15 pistol forum again when the topic at hand is about a completely different firearm that has a different design than what the letter addresses? An approved accessory on one gun does not make it approved on another. This is an HKSP89 turned into an NFA SBR. http://i59.tinypic.com/sd2yhd.jpg Do you not think that the addition of the PDW stock does not turn an HK SP89 pistol into an SBR? http://i58.tinypic.com/16gwu8m.jpg http://sigsauer.com/CatalogProductDetails/p556-classic-pistol-with-sb15-pistol-stabilizing-brace.aspx http://sigsauer.com/upFiles/catalog/product/P556-Classic-SB15-Detail-Hero.jpg Read the letter dated Nov 12 2012. That letter also speaks directly to the brace being used around the buffer extension tube. Show me the letter where it specifically states that the brace was approved for anything other than the AR15? I have no problem eating crow if I am wrong but the letters I have read are what they are. Been involved in NFA for 17 years and I like the idea of these braces but I just cannot see how it is legit for anything other than the AR. |
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Posted: 5/16/2014 1:19:38 PM EDT
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I'd prefer to spend the extra money and buy American where my money is not supporting a terrorist state full of people who hate/want to kill me. That's racist.
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Posted: 5/16/2014 1:23:34 PM EDT
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Bud, the SIG brace is available from SIG on their Swiss Army AK derived 5.56mm pistol, and on various AK pistols, none of which require a buffer tube for operation. Get w/ the program. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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An approved accessory on one gun does not make it approved on another. Bud, the SIG brace is available from SIG on their Swiss Army AK derived 5.56mm pistol, and on various AK pistols, none of which require a buffer tube for operation. Get w/ the program. and Sig produced a firearm with a quote unquote muzzle break (monolithic baffle stack) and ATF told them NO and now Sig is suing. Was the brace ever submitted to ATF for approval on these other firearms? |
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Posted: 5/16/2014 1:25:23 PM EDT
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Will buy this. Better for vehicle carry than ar 9mm pistol.
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Posted: 5/16/2014 1:27:44 PM EDT
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Will be nice if it accepts an auto sear/sear pack. Or an authentic 4-position HK lower.
Prices on hosts should come down a bit. I gotta get the sear soon: |
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Posted: 5/16/2014 1:29:52 PM EDT
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The argument over the sig-brace... Again...
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Posted: 5/16/2014 1:32:02 PM EDT
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The argument over the sig-brace... Again... ...in a thread about an HK clone...
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Posted: 5/16/2014 1:33:40 PM EDT
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It's amazing that it has been copied by Century so quickly.
Did Sig not get a patent? |
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Posted: 5/16/2014 1:36:26 PM EDT
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and Sig produced a firearm with a quote unquote muzzle break (monolithic baffle stack) and ATF told them NO and now Sig is suing. Was the brace ever submitted to ATF for approval on these other firearms? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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An approved accessory on one gun does not make it approved on another. Bud, the SIG brace is available from SIG on their Swiss Army AK derived 5.56mm pistol, and on various AK pistols, none of which require a buffer tube for operation. Get w/ the program. and Sig produced a firearm with a quote unquote muzzle break (monolithic baffle stack) and ATF told them NO and now Sig is suing. Was the brace ever submitted to ATF for approval on these other firearms? I'm not sure why that must be a distinction. The letter was to distinguish if the SIG brace was indeed a brace. If I mounted it on a shovel, it would still be a brace. The question is for the item itself. It in itself is a brace. Why cloud the water? |
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Posted: 5/16/2014 1:48:44 PM EDT
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And knowing that it costs me an extra $200 and a long wait for a regular buttstock just pisses me off. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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ATF said you could use it however you like... And knowing that it costs me an extra $200 and a long wait for a regular buttstock just pisses me off. Yup |
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Posted: 5/16/2014 1:48:44 PM EDT
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And knowing that it costs me an extra $200 and a long wait for a regular buttstock just pisses me off. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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ATF said you could use it however you like... And knowing that it costs me an extra $200 and a long wait for a regular buttstock just pisses me off. Yup |
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Posted: 5/16/2014 1:59:46 PM EDT
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Sooo interesting thing he said and I don't know enough history to know the facts but he said the ATF wouldn't allow imported guns with a pinned lower leading to the clip and pin trend in all mp5 clones, what if it isn't imported what if a us made clone company was to go back to useing the pinned lower technically it isn't an HK and it isn't imported. Does the law cover the 94/mp5 design or does it just apply to imported HK firearms?
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Posted: 5/16/2014 2:11:39 PM EDT
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Sooo interesting thing he said and I don't know enough history to know the facts but he said the ATF wouldn't allow imported guns with a pinned lower leading to the clip and pin trend in all mp5 clones, what if it isn't imported what if a us made clone company was to go back to useing the pinned lower technically it isn't an HK and it isn't imported. Does the law cover the 94/mp5 design or does it just apply to imported HK firearms? That's what I'm trying to figure out as well - how does this Paki gun get in the door, past the 1989/sporting purposes EOs, whereas an SP89 doesn't? What's the difference? Does this one have a large portion of U.S.-made parts or something? |
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Posted: 5/16/2014 2:13:50 PM EDT
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Never mind the entire thread did not load at first - clearly haha
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Posted: 5/16/2014 2:22:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have read the ATF letter dated March 5th about .........  we ALL have read it . |
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Posted: 5/16/2014 2:25:00 PM EDT
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I'd prefer to spend the extra money and buy American where my money is not supporting a terrorist state full of people who hate/want to kill me. Like a certain company that shall not be named? Yeah, no. 
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Posted: 5/16/2014 2:26:33 PM EDT
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Will buy this. Better for vehicle carry than ar 9mm pistol. Why do you give me ideas that I love but my bank account hates 
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Posted: 5/16/2014 2:27:42 PM EDT
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That's what I'm trying to figure out as well - how does this Paki gun get in the door, past the 1989/sporting purposes EOs, whereas an SP89 doesn't? What's the difference? Does this one have a large portion of U.S.-made parts or something? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Sooo interesting thing he said and I don't know enough history to know the facts but he said the ATF wouldn't allow imported guns with a pinned lower leading to the clip and pin trend in all mp5 clones, what if it isn't imported what if a us made clone company was to go back to useing the pinned lower technically it isn't an HK and it isn't imported. Does the law cover the 94/mp5 design or does it just apply to imported HK firearms? That's what I'm trying to figure out as well - how does this Paki gun get in the door, past the 1989/sporting purposes EOs, whereas an SP89 doesn't? What's the difference? Does this one have a large portion of U.S.-made parts or something? The SP89 was banned by name. |
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Posted: 5/16/2014 2:31:46 PM EDT
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Semi-auto MP5. What's the point in that?
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Posted: 5/16/2014 2:40:16 PM EDT
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This thread is lols...
So much misinfo. ETA: The Paki gun is probably just fine and a sound investment. The Turkish MKE guns were a great investment even though they got undeserved hate at the beginning. |
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Posted: 5/16/2014 2:42:41 PM EDT
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I would rather have a c93 pistol with a sig brace.
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Posted: 5/16/2014 2:44:39 PM EDT
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Sooo interesting thing he said and I don't know enough history to know the facts but he said the ATF wouldn't allow imported guns with a pinned lower leading to the clip and pin trend in all mp5 clones, what if it isn't imported what if a us made clone company was to go back to useing the pinned lower technically it isn't an HK and it isn't imported. Does the law cover the 94/mp5 design or does it just apply to imported HK firearms? ATF allowed in MKE rifles/pistols and ALL had the pinned type lower. The early ones had pins glued in the others they welded a cover over the pin. They were allowed because MKE shaved off the sear trip on the carrier and also welded in block inside the receiver where the carrier trip would have connected with the trigger group. (essentially a sear block ala Colt blue label) |
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Posted: 5/16/2014 2:48:07 PM EDT
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That's what I'm trying to figure out as well - how does this Paki gun get in the door, past the 1989/sporting purposes EOs, whereas an SP89 doesn't? What's the difference? Does this one have a large portion of U.S.-made parts or something? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Sooo interesting thing he said and I don't know enough history to know the facts but he said the ATF wouldn't allow imported guns with a pinned lower leading to the clip and pin trend in all mp5 clones, what if it isn't imported what if a us made clone company was to go back to useing the pinned lower technically it isn't an HK and it isn't imported. Does the law cover the 94/mp5 design or does it just apply to imported HK firearms? That's what I'm trying to figure out as well - how does this Paki gun get in the door, past the 1989/sporting purposes EOs, whereas an SP89 doesn't? What's the difference? Does this one have a large portion of U.S.-made parts or something? As mentioned SP89 was banned by name. Also Hk no longer has any intention of importing roller guns as they view them as yesterdays technology (and only make legacy updated roller LEO weapons). The reason you can import these pistols with all of the foreign parts is that 922r only applies to rifles... The Paki Hk stuff I have seen is good to go. Just like MKE was/is. Doesn't look the greatest but will run like a raped ape. Some of the MKE Hk 9mm's were imported as pistols even though they had 16" barrels so they could stay high-cap receiver going through import. Then the user would buy the 922r parts for compliance and make it a rifle. |
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Posted: 5/16/2014 3:06:02 PM EDT
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Semi-auto MP5. What's the point in that? Thats actually where they excel. In my experience, a full auto Uzi is more accurate/easier to keep on target then an Auto Mp5. In Semi, other way around. |
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Posted: 5/16/2014 3:06:13 PM EDT
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I've heard MKE got a new US importer and we should also be seeing a Turkish G3 variant this year
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Posted: 5/16/2014 3:10:38 PM EDT
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As mentioned SP89 was banned by name. Also Hk no longer has any intention of importing roller guns as they view them as yesterdays technology (and only make legacy updated roller LEO weapons). The reason you can import these pistols with all of the foreign parts is that 922r only applies to rifles... The Paki Hk stuff I have seen is good to go. Just like MKE was/is. Doesn't look the greatest but will run like a raped ape. Some of the MKE Hk 9mm's were imported as pistols even though they had 16" barrels so they could stay high-cap receiver going through import. Then the user would buy the 922r parts for compliance and make it a rifle. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Sooo interesting thing he said and I don't know enough history to know the facts but he said the ATF wouldn't allow imported guns with a pinned lower leading to the clip and pin trend in all mp5 clones, what if it isn't imported what if a us made clone company was to go back to useing the pinned lower technically it isn't an HK and it isn't imported. Does the law cover the 94/mp5 design or does it just apply to imported HK firearms? That's what I'm trying to figure out as well - how does this Paki gun get in the door, past the 1989/sporting purposes EOs, whereas an SP89 doesn't? What's the difference? Does this one have a large portion of U.S.-made parts or something? As mentioned SP89 was banned by name. Also Hk no longer has any intention of importing roller guns as they view them as yesterdays technology (and only make legacy updated roller LEO weapons). The reason you can import these pistols with all of the foreign parts is that 922r only applies to rifles... The Paki Hk stuff I have seen is good to go. Just like MKE was/is. Doesn't look the greatest but will run like a raped ape. Some of the MKE Hk 9mm's were imported as pistols even though they had 16" barrels so they could stay high-cap receiver going through import. Then the user would buy the 922r parts for compliance and make it a rifle. And then if you want to SBR it, we get into the fun debate about whether 922r would apply to it... |
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Posted: 5/16/2014 3:38:19 PM EDT
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Thats actually where they excel. In my experience, a full auto Uzi is more accurate/easier to keep on target then an Auto Mp5. In Semi, other way around. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Semi-auto MP5. What's the point in that? Thats actually where they excel. In my experience, a full auto Uzi is more accurate/easier to keep on target then an Auto Mp5. In Semi, other way around. 9" barrel SBRed MP5 clone I was popping a 4" target at 50 yd offhand, NO PROBLEM. At 100 yds offhand I was hitting a 10" target easily. Extremely accurate little guns, IMO. |
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Posted: 5/16/2014 3:48:16 PM EDT
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or just get a submachine gun Serbian Ak M92....for 400 bucks.
And you get to use drum mags p.s try getting surplus MP5 mags for 10 bucks....gl 
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Posted: 5/16/2014 3:52:18 PM EDT
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POF (aka Pakistani Ordnance Factory) has been around a hell of a lot longer than the piston AR guys. They were making No. 4 Mk. I and Mk. 2 rifles back in the 1950s and 1960s, along with .303 ammunition. Shitty, shitty ammunition. Dangerous, bad, worst fucking shit I ever did see ammunition. |
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