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Quoted: Fingerprint submission and a 4473 for "worthiness" 1st, then a visit by two suit folks just to make sure. Really? Now we are accepting the destruction of 1A? Sad. Trump supporting the rid of net-neutrality was a BIG mistake btw. That + sec230 = demise of any digital stuff the commi's don't want anyone to see. It's true commi is you just look at what's happening. Sorry, gotta call a pig a pig, and commi commi, etc. Yeah maybe a stupid idea..thats fair! |
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5) We are working on changes and systems to better how we can vet each other and create special "secure" areas of the site. Information to be shared in another post later, but you can find it in a few pages in this thread. (Forget which ones and too much going on to find them at this moment.) Id love to see more on this in the future. |
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Quoted: I'm certain the planners of the Boston Tea Party just sat around talking about it wherever they pleased and certainly made no effort to vet the people they were planning it with. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Good job being fucking capitulators. Other American citizens are absolutely my enemy now. There are two opposite ideologies at odds here. There is no middle ground, no compromise. Either their side is in power in the end or ours. You don't back down when they try to punk you out. You stand tall and kick their fucking teeth in. I enlisted to fight Islam and I'll do whatever I have to here at home to fight authoritarianism/communism. Violence founded this nation. Violence will save it. But violence posted on a website will get it shut down. There is such a thing as self control and self preservation. Get your point across without threats! Simple right? Yes, we'll hide in the shadows. They'll never know we're jews then. I'm certain the planners of the Boston Tea Party just sat around talking about it wherever they pleased and certainly made no effort to vet the people they were planning it with. We aren't talking about actual mission planning here. If you're working on no shit action plans against the government that should be done entirely face to face and not on the internet at all. This is about voicing beliefs against the king. Were there no openly held opinions prior to 1776? |
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Quoted: Understandable......a bunch of right retards made bad choices and showed they are no better than the left retards. And now we have to deal with the shitstorm they started. Wrong. This was the plan all along. Maybe it accelerated it. That's possible, but they didn't steal and election just to leave things the way they are, right? |
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Quoted: Understandable......a bunch of right retards made bad choices and showed they are no better than the left retards. And now we have to deal with the shitstorm they started. GoatBoy, I get what you're doing and I've been here long enough that I will trust you to do what you think is best. Me and my group of close friends are starting to pay attention to these types of things too. We are talking about things that I never would have thought I needed to. Good luck and God speed. |
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First off GoatBoy thank you for your stalwart service to ARFCOM. If this is going to be the new GD ALL POLITICAL AND RELATED DISCUSSIONS be kept out of GD and posted to the specific politics forum. Changing how we operate will only delay the inevitable. Never in history has bowing to the pressure the left imposes resulted in success for those who oppose them. We all know they are hell bent on taking us out, it is our choice if we go out on our feet or on our knees. I value the ARFCOM community immensely and will do everything in my power to hold onto it, I will never take a knee to the bullying of the left. |
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Quoted: @GoatBoy I want you to define specifically what is a "political post"...Specifically, of course. Every fucking thing is political. Nearly every thread has an element or mention of politics. Go back and read them for months. 1) Is guns and gun politics political? Think about that again....Firearms are political by nature and always will be. 2) Are current events political statements? 3) Is the statement of Allysa Milano a political statement to comment on? 4) Are the various opinions of posters about another subject in that same thread that refer to one of the above positions a political statement? I can go on and on, but this is not going to work. Some of the other things like wiping GD, starting fresh as members only with new names and the same rules? Fine that may work for awhile, but if you think that parsing political decisions from everything is going to work, you are dreaming. Well said. |
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Quoted: We aren't talking about actual mission planning here. If you're working on no shit action plans against the government that should be done entirely face to face and not on the internet at all. This is about voicing beliefs against the king. Were there no openly held opinions prior to 1776? Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Good job being fucking capitulators. Other American citizens are absolutely my enemy now. There are two opposite ideologies at odds here. There is no middle ground, no compromise. Either their side is in power in the end or ours. You don't back down when they try to punk you out. You stand tall and kick their fucking teeth in. I enlisted to fight Islam and I'll do whatever I have to here at home to fight authoritarianism/communism. Violence founded this nation. Violence will save it. But violence posted on a website will get it shut down. There is such a thing as self control and self preservation. Get your point across without threats! Simple right? Yes, we'll hide in the shadows. They'll never know we're jews then. I'm certain the planners of the Boston Tea Party just sat around talking about it wherever they pleased and certainly made no effort to vet the people they were planning it with. We aren't talking about actual mission planning here. If you're working on no shit action plans against the government that should be done entirely face to face and not on the internet at all. This is about voicing beliefs against the king. Were there no openly held opinions prior to 1776? 1984 came after 1776. When the greatest threat was a tyrant who sat on a different continent, whose eyes and ears were limited and responses could be measured in months, speaking opinions out loud was considerably safer. The digital age means everything anyone has ever said online is recorded, somewhere, just waiting to be compiled by some neural net AI into a list of who will cause issues and who will not. In the long run, the fear is the day will come when algorithms can and will partition the populace into those acceptable to the powers that be...and the leftovers. |
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Quoted: at what point will these big tech monopolies start losing so many people that lose money? Seems like they don;t even care how man customers go somewhere else. The customers are the dopes that buy ads directly, and the orgs that buy massive piles of data to mine. |
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Quoted: Been expecting this. I hope you realize that it will not matter to the left, they will work to destroy you, regardless. You may wish to look at having your own servers. Along with that, your own pay system, and so on. It is difficult, though it has been done by others, from what I understand. Other than the above, I have no comment either way. If I end up hammered because I forget, and this is the new rule. Then well met, and nice meeting all of you. I just read this thread and this post sums it up. This site will always be in the crosshairs, not for recent threads and comments, but because of its name. Ar15 is a evil word to the media and certain people. That being said, whatever changes you attempt, I really hope they work. This is the only site I use daily. |
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Quoted: Ok so how can I make it more plain. The actions of a few people who decided to break into and storm the capitol building are costing us dearly. In fact, the chatter afterwards has been about taking more aggressive actions against folks. Talking online about plans or thoughts of violence against others is not acceptable behavior for 99% of hosting companies. It creates liability, risk, and government interventions. If folks would simply not post these things and focus on the discussion, we would not be in this place and Parlor would not be shutting down tomorrow at midnight. THIS is the problem right now. We are a small team of staff and mods and we have to look through everything we can and weed out these posts and sometimes the people who are posting it and putting themselves at risk. Not only is this not acceptable (our own rules being broken), but it puts the person at risk from outside folks. Now if we act to moderate as we are supposed to, which we are doing, then we are complying with all rules we set for ourselves and all expectations from hosting companies. Being on AWS or on JohnSmith's Hosting does not matter. If we break basic rules, we are at risk to shut down. Exactly. |
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Quoted: First off GoatBoy thank you for your stalwart service to ARFCOM. If this is going to be the new GD than they have already won. Their goal is to silence our voice and crush us until we are no more. If ARFCOM's neck is on the chopping block, moving passionate political discussions into TEAM will only delay AWS from dumping ARFCOM. Changing how we operate will only delay the inevitable. Never in history has bowing to the pressure the left imposes resulted in success for those who oppose them. We all know they are hell bent on taking us out, it is our choice if we go out on our feet or on our knees. I value the ARFCOM community immensely and will do everything in my power to hold onto it, I will never take a knee to the bullying of the left. Quoted: First off GoatBoy thank you for your stalwart service to ARFCOM. If this is going to be the new GD ALL POLITICAL AND RELATED DISCUSSIONS be kept out of GD and posted to the specific politics forum. Changing how we operate will only delay the inevitable. Never in history has bowing to the pressure the left imposes resulted in success for those who oppose them. We all know they are hell bent on taking us out, it is our choice if we go out on our feet or on our knees. I value the ARFCOM community immensely and will do everything in my power to hold onto it, I will never take a knee to the bullying of the left. |
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Now I’m pissed. I dropped my membership for a year and was fine with it because some of the mods were being jackbooted assholes. That seemed to die down recently so when a deal was offered I reupped for 3 years. Now this commie BS? Can I get my money back? I’m the idiot so it’s an idiot tax I guess. You are worse than Facebook and Twitter. That’s my opinion. |
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Quoted: Perhaps a delay is necessary to implement a plan? Remember politics is the art of saying "nice doggie" until you get a stick. Quoted: Quoted: First off GoatBoy thank you for your stalwart service to ARFCOM. If this is going to be the new GD ALL POLITICAL AND RELATED DISCUSSIONS be kept out of GD and posted to the specific politics forum. Changing how we operate will only delay the inevitable. Never in history has bowing to the pressure the left imposes resulted in success for those who oppose them. We all know they are hell bent on taking us out, it is our choice if we go out on our feet or on our knees. I value the ARFCOM community immensely and will do everything in my power to hold onto it, I will never take a knee to the bullying of the left. Tell it to Parler they played the game for a while then the demands got to be more than they would accept. In 24 hours they were getting shutdown. People here have been talking about this garbage coming for years. GAB got there crap together after multiple deplatforming, now they are going to win big because they were ready. |
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Quoted: Lol no. Quoted: Quoted: What about Cloudflare? They seem to support free speech. Lol no. While hosting in the US would not be my first choice, Cloudflare does host some VERY controversial sites, including a major name neo nazi forum. Arfcom isn't half as controversial as that - I think Cloudflare would not care too much. |
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While collecting ideas for changes to harden the forum, two things come to mind; -a second instance of "you are posting in X" near the submit button area -self-selected account option (check box in profile) that has the same info "you are posting in X" as a pass through click to confirm this post Those might promote more thoughtful discourse, and help avoid some types of misunderstandings especially in context of more frequent thread moves. The click to confirm could be made required by mods or have anti-bot tools applied to it later. |
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Quoted: While hosting in the US would not be my first choice, Cloudflare does host some VERY controversial sites, including a major name neo nazi forum. Arfcom isn't half as controversial as that - I think Cloudflare would not care too much. |
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Quoted: You should verify what you recall on this. I didn't want to name the neo nazi site, as I do not want them and Arfcom associated in any way. But it starts with "Storm" and anyone with half a clue knows about it. Running a "host" on their domain name shows 3 IP addresses. The whois for the IP addresses comes back to Cloudflare. So consider it verified  ETA: Here's a blog posting Cloudflare put up some years ago on their viewpoint of hosting sites that were controversial. I still wouldn't consider them the perfect solution (I think moving Arfcom to a non fed.gov friendly country such as Switzerland is the best option), but I think they'd be a LOT better compared to AWS, Giggle, M$, etc. ETA #2: Cloudflare also provides hosting for Pirate Bay - probably one of the most targeted websites on the planet. https://blog.cloudflare.com/cloudflare-and-free-speech/ |
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Quoted: I didn't want to name the neo nazi site, as I do not want them and Arfcom associated in any way. But it starts with "Storm" and anyone with half a clue knows about it. Running a "host" on their domain name shows 3 IP addresses. The whois for the IP addresses comes back to Cloudflare. So consider it verified Stormfront is a place for larping boomers to circlejerk. It is allowed to exist for the same reason that Richard Spencer remains on twitter. Use your head. Cloudflare will deplatform anyone. They had a defense against it, but once they got rid of TDS, they lost that excuse. Then they deplatformed 8gag. |
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Quoted: Perhaps a delay is necessary to implement a plan? Remember politics is the art of saying "nice doggie" until you get a stick. Quoted: Quoted: First off GoatBoy thank you for your stalwart service to ARFCOM. If this is going to be the new GD ALL POLITICAL AND RELATED DISCUSSIONS be kept out of GD and posted to the specific politics forum. Changing how we operate will only delay the inevitable. Never in history has bowing to the pressure the left imposes resulted in success for those who oppose them. We all know they are hell bent on taking us out, it is our choice if we go out on our feet or on our knees. I value the ARFCOM community immensely and will do everything in my power to hold onto it, I will never take a knee to the bullying of the left. I hear you, but I doubt that is the case this late in the game. |
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Quoted: Perhaps a delay is necessary to implement a plan? Remember politics is the art of saying "nice doggie" until you get a stick. Quoted: Quoted: First off GoatBoy thank you for your stalwart service to ARFCOM. If this is going to be the new GD ALL POLITICAL AND RELATED DISCUSSIONS be kept out of GD and posted to the specific politics forum. Changing how we operate will only delay the inevitable. Never in history has bowing to the pressure the left imposes resulted in success for those who oppose them. We all know they are hell bent on taking us out, it is our choice if we go out on our feet or on our knees. I value the ARFCOM community immensely and will do everything in my power to hold onto it, I will never take a knee to the bullying of the left. Precisely. A delaying tactic is exactly what this is. People are going from zero to rage so fast they aren't reading all of or comprehending what GoatBoy is saying. This isn't even close to giving in. He can correct me if I'm wrong but the way I read it, we don't have the manpower to quickly moderate all of the emotionally charged threads right now and we're under fire. So we'll move certain threads to team and clean them up to limit the low hanging fruit for the enemy. In addition he's reminding people to stay cool and watch what you say when you're venting. Hopefully this buys us some time and keeps us low enough on the hit list until the insanity dies down a bit and the site is able to implement a plan to insulate us from the tech companies. He also said they'll leave breaking news threads in GD, which is crucial. |
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Quoted: Tell it to Parler they played the game for a while then the demands got to be more than they would accept. In 24 hours they were getting shutdown. People here have been talking about this garbage coming for years. GAB got there crap together after multiple deplatforming, now they are going to win big because they were ready. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: First off GoatBoy thank you for your stalwart service to ARFCOM. If this is going to be the new GD ALL POLITICAL AND RELATED DISCUSSIONS be kept out of GD and posted to the specific politics forum. Changing how we operate will only delay the inevitable. Never in history has bowing to the pressure the left imposes resulted in success for those who oppose them. We all know they are hell bent on taking us out, it is our choice if we go out on our feet or on our knees. I value the ARFCOM community immensely and will do everything in my power to hold onto it, I will never take a knee to the bullying of the left. Tell it to Parler they played the game for a while then the demands got to be more than they would accept. In 24 hours they were getting shutdown. People here have been talking about this garbage coming for years. GAB got there crap together after multiple deplatforming, now they are going to win big because they were ready. He said they're working on getting away from Amazon. We have plans in place and will release information when we are ready. I will say that most partners we use (and it's not many) will no longer be around when things are completed. We also want to trudge ahead as quickly as we can but it will create growing pains. We will also put in place some contingency plans in case of failures in our new system. We plan to use conservative companies where possible and strong partners with similar beliefs. It's more than just hosting, but it will all be covered. ... There are very few. I have been in talks with some this morning. This is being evaluated to find where we go, but after the Parler move, AWS isn't worth staying with. |
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Quoted: DCLXVI@ Don't do it. I don't like it either but that's not the answer. All GB is telling us is to keep our heads down while the lead is flying. There is no surrendering in falling back and reforming. If everyone could just take a breath and think this through. Right now they have the high ground and outnumber us (big time). There is no reason to go commit suicide, at least not yet.   We all have to make our own peace with this brother. I dont fault anyone who feels different than me. Especially now. This is the darkest day in my lifetime, and i know its the same for most here. I dont have any answers. None.I do know this though. This will not satisfy their hunger brother. This will only make them bolder. Everything about this ARF is offensive and threatening to them. Everything. From the tech forums, to the EE, to our very ability to post here. Everything. This will not stop or even slow whats coming. IMO the only thing left to do is be boldly, unapologetically, American. @Dirtydog It was/is an honor being able to call myself one of you. I dont think i would be who i am today without this place. |
