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Posted: 11/11/2022 5:20:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Show us where it says that please. Join date Post count Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Don’t forget it stops hunting too…as you have to have a firearms permit to go rifle hunting. This is a mistake that’s gonna set a dangerous precedent Show us where it says that please. Join date Post count There are many of us that are fatigued from the campaign to stop this monster. As I've learned from the many gun shows, meetings, and forum postings the last couple of months, there are a lot of misinterpretations so let's try to educate, and not attack our own. The fight isn't over. We still need to work on the injunctions and lawsuits. |
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Posted: 11/11/2022 5:32:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There are many of us that are fatigued from the campaign to stop this monster. As I've learned from the many gun shows, meetings, and forum postings the last couple of months, there are a lot of misinterpretations so let's try to educate, and not attack our own. The fight isn't over. We still need to work on the injunctions and lawsuits. Spreading conjecture and misinformation is harmful to the fight as well. I’m not attacking anybody, and just want to see it for myself before believing something. And I’m skeptical of new members here at best. |
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Posted: 11/11/2022 5:54:55 PM EDT
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I get it.
I've been looking for current sheriffs statements on 114 compliance. I've got the ones from Coos and Linn counties but having trouble getting official statements from others. If anyone else sees them or can contact their sheriffs or police departments, it would help when we start to work on the legal end. I've sent this email to Sheriff Joe Cast of Marion County: Sheriff Kast,? With ballot measure 114 on the verge of passing, the subject of funding and enforcement are coming into play. As a citizen of Marion County, I am very concerned about the ability of Marion County to implement the permitting process and the resulting costs, and also about the magazine capacity issue. ? ? Does the Marion County Sheriffs Department have the personnel and financial resources to implement the permitting process? Do you intend to implement a permitting process for the county? Do you intend to enforce the ban on magazines with greater than ten round capacity for those with a CHL, or the population in general?? ? How will you address the issue of off duty law enforcement personnel, officers of the court, or anyone else that carries a firearm as a part of their job not being able to have the magazines while not in the performance of their official duties? ? ? I appreciate the complexity of the issues and the burden it places on you and your staff.? ? Looking forward to hearing from you.? ? Best regards, If others would send similar emails and report results, it would help out. Keep in mind, this isn't meant for harassment, just a way to get on the record responses. Thanks in advance |
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Posted: 11/11/2022 5:56:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I get it. I've been looking for current sheriffs statements on 114 compliance. I've got the ones from Coos and Linn counties but having trouble getting official statements from others. If anyone else sees them or can contact their sheriffs or police departments, it would help when we start to work on the legal end. I've sent this email to Sheriff Joe Cast of Marion County: Sheriff Kast,? With ballot measure 114 on the verge of passing, the subject of funding and enforcement are coming into play. As a citizen of Marion County, I am very concerned about the ability of Marion County to implement the permitting process and the resulting costs, and also about the magazine capacity issue. ? ? Does the Marion County Sheriffs Department have the personnel and financial resources to implement the permitting process? Do you intend to implement a permitting process for the county? Do you intend to enforce the ban on magazines with greater than ten round capacity for those with a CHL, or the population in general?? ? How will you address the issue of off duty law enforcement personnel, officers of the court, or anyone else that carries a firearm as a part of their job not being able to have the magazines while not in the performance of their official duties? ? ? I appreciate the complexity of the issues and the burden it places on you and your staff.? ? Looking forward to hearing from you.? ? Best regards, If others would send similar emails and report results, it would help out. Keep in mind, this isn't meant for harassment, just a way to get on the record responses. Thanks in advance https://klamathalerts.com/2022/11/09/klamath-county-sheriffs-office-on-ballot-measure-114/ |
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Posted: 11/11/2022 6:05:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryAwesome. Thanks |
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Posted: 11/11/2022 6:38:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I get it. I've been looking for current sheriffs statements on 114 compliance. I've got the ones from Coos and Linn counties but having trouble getting official statements from others. If anyone else sees them or can contact their sheriffs or police departments, it would help when we start to work on the legal end. I've sent this email to Sheriff Joe Cast of Marion County: Sheriff Kast, With ballot measure 114 on the verge of passing, the subject of funding and enforcement are coming into play. As a citizen of Marion County, I am very concerned about the ability of Marion County to implement the permitting process and the resulting costs, and also about the magazine capacity issue. Does the Marion County Sheriffs Department have the personnel and financial resources to implement the permitting process? Do you intend to implement a permitting process for the county? Do you intend to enforce the ban on magazines with greater than ten round capacity for those with a CHL, or the population in general? How will you address the issue of off duty law enforcement personnel, officers of the court, or anyone else that carries a firearm as a part of their job not being able to have the magazines while not in the performance of their official duties? I appreciate the complexity of the issues and the burden it places on you and your staff. Looking forward to hearing from you. Best regards, If others would send similar emails and report results, it would help out. Keep in mind, this isn't meant for harassment, just a way to get on the record responses. Thanks in advance He's made statements prior to the election about how the 2a is a part of our history, how current court rulings state its unconstitutional, and how we do not have the people to fill the slots for the BGC and they would therefore have to reduce our patrols and already crappy response time in order to even fill them. |
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Posted: 11/11/2022 6:50:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm waiting to see what Sickler of Jackson is going to say. He's made statements prior to the election about how the 2a is a part of our history, how current court rulings state its unconstitutional, and how we do not have the people to fill the slots for the BGC and they would therefore have to reduce our patrols and already crappy response time in order to even fill them. That’s what the left wants. Remember defund the police… and she won. |
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Posted: 11/11/2022 6:56:26 PM EDT
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Wondering how Tillamook is going to pan out.
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Posted: 11/11/2022 6:59:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wondering how Tillamook is going to pan out. There will still be dairy tours don’t worry. |
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Posted: 11/11/2022 10:46:08 PM EDT
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The pacific northwest has long been a destination for fugitives from other states and outlaw biker gangs (no idea why). But, it seems that these states are intent on transitioning from real functioning states to criminal havens. When industry leaves and there is no one left to pay the taxes that support homeless encampments, what then?
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Posted: 11/12/2022 12:37:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: But it's still Ohio. You are correct. No Portland. |
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Posted: 11/12/2022 12:39:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You are correct. No Portland. Our gun laws now suck, but Ohio just sucks. Everything is subjective, I’m glad you are happy there. |
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Posted: 11/12/2022 12:42:14 AM EDT
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Grant county Oregon sheriff came up to WA gun shows and "sold" Oregon permits. All legal and whatnot.
He stopped coming, but we loved vacationing in Oregon. McMinnville, seaside, Astoria. We spent at least two weeks a year in Oregon. When my permit expired I tried multiple agencies trying to get it renewed. Every one of those fuckers told me to go to Portland. I told every one of them to go fuck themselves and I stopped spending money in Oregon. At least in Ohio I don't need a fucking permit. Neither do teachers |
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Posted: 11/12/2022 1:21:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Grant county Oregon sheriff came up to WA gun shows and "sold" Oregon permits. All legal and whatnot. He stopped coming, but we loved vacationing in Oregon. McMinnville, seaside, Astoria. We spent at least two weeks a year in Oregon. When my permit expired I tried multiple agencies trying to get it renewed. Every one of those fuckers told me to go to Portland. I told every one of them to go fuck themselves and I stopped spending money in Oregon. At least in Ohio I don't need a fucking permit. Neither do teachers But you need to carry in Ohio because every city in the state is awful and dangerous. There’s nothing to do except freeze balls. |
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Posted: 11/12/2022 1:27:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There will still be dairy tours don’t worry. I think back in May they passed a 2a sanctuary in the county. |
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Posted: 11/12/2022 1:41:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There's nothing to do except freeze balls. Check back in my balls in August I'm in a city. Much safer than Portland or Seattle. IDK what your hard on is for Ohio, but I'll go by a hi cap tomorrow in your honor. You keep track on my ball temp 
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Posted: 11/12/2022 1:46:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And it's affirmative defense, which as I read means YOU have to show evidence you owned it prior to the ban, and the evidence must be found to be credible to negate any alleged acts you are accused of. Not sure how that works with the transportation requirements. I have receipts for "maybe" 5% of them at this point. Being that I'm an idiot, can someone tell me just HOW I'm supposed to be able to prove that I've had these for decades other than boxing them all up, heading down to the local UPS store and then shipping them to my P.O. box (To be stored with the seals unbroken until doomsday) before this festering piece of shit becomes law? Hell, I've got at least 200 mag's that I "lost" in the last reorganization we did here a couple of years ago. They're in a couple of totes "somewhere"(?) around here but it would probably take me a week to find them. |
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Posted: 11/12/2022 2:42:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This is what's got me so concerned (Other than the fact that the whole Goddamned thing wipes it's ass with the BOR). I have a lot of mags that hold over 10 rounds. I don't want to be too specific but basically,......I've been "panic buying" for decades. I've got mag's I bought off the EE, I've got mag's I bought from vendors and I've got mag's that I've bought at Gun Shows and from local stores around here. I have receipts for "maybe" 5% of them at this point. Being that I'm an idiot, can someone tell me just HOW I'm supposed to be able to prove that I've had these for decades other than boxing them all up, heading down to the local UPS store and then shipping them to my P.O. box (To be stored with the seals unbroken until doomsday) before this festering piece of shit becomes law? Hell, I've got at least 200 mag's that I "lost" in the last reorganization we did here a couple of years ago. They're in a couple of totes "somewhere"(?) around here but it would probably take me a week to find them. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: And it's affirmative defense, which as I read means YOU have to show evidence you owned it prior to the ban, and the evidence must be found to be credible to negate any alleged acts you are accused of. Not sure how that works with the transportation requirements. I have receipts for "maybe" 5% of them at this point. Being that I'm an idiot, can someone tell me just HOW I'm supposed to be able to prove that I've had these for decades other than boxing them all up, heading down to the local UPS store and then shipping them to my P.O. box (To be stored with the seals unbroken until doomsday) before this festering piece of shit becomes law? Hell, I've got at least 200 mag's that I "lost" in the last reorganization we did here a couple of years ago. They're in a couple of totes "somewhere"(?) around here but it would probably take me a week to find them. After being suggested that, I started thinking of adding mine to my gun trust my NFA items are on. Still looking into it. |
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Posted: 11/12/2022 2:46:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I received a recommendation to document each mag type in a spread sheet, capacity of each, number of each, with photos of all together with the measure title and your name and date printed out where it's legible in the photo. Print the photo and spread sheet on a page or two as needed. Then have it notarized. After being suggested that, I started thinking of adding mine to my gun trust my NFA items are on. Still looking into it.  Thanks for buying me a vowel Liazraht. |
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Posted: 11/12/2022 2:56:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This is what's got me so concerned (Other than the fact that the whole Goddamned thing wipes it's ass with the BOR). I have a lot of mags that hold over 10 rounds. I don't want to be too specific but basically,......I've been "panic buying" for decades. I've got mag's I bought off the EE, I've got mag's I bought from vendors and I've got mag's that I've bought at Gun Shows and from local stores around here. I have receipts for "maybe" 5% of them at this point. Being that I'm an idiot, can someone tell me just HOW I'm supposed to be able to prove that I've had these for decades other than boxing them all up, heading down to the local UPS store and then shipping them to my P.O. box (To be stored with the seals unbroken until doomsday) before this festering piece of shit becomes law? Hell, I've got at least 200 mag's that I "lost" in the last reorganization we did here a couple of years ago. They're in a couple of totes "somewhere"(?) around here but it would probably take me a week to find them. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: And it's affirmative defense, which as I read means YOU have to show evidence you owned it prior to the ban, and the evidence must be found to be credible to negate any alleged acts you are accused of. Not sure how that works with the transportation requirements. I have receipts for "maybe" 5% of them at this point. Being that I'm an idiot, can someone tell me just HOW I'm supposed to be able to prove that I've had these for decades other than boxing them all up, heading down to the local UPS store and then shipping them to my P.O. box (To be stored with the seals unbroken until doomsday) before this festering piece of shit becomes law? Hell, I've got at least 200 mag's that I "lost" in the last reorganization we did here a couple of years ago. They're in a couple of totes "somewhere"(?) around here but it would probably take me a week to find them. As much as I hate to say it, this might be something to get some real legal advice on. A photo with a newspaper date doesn't really prove anything, and neither do photo timestamps. Your postmark idea has merit, except having to keep the box sealed. I think someone suggested emailing photos to yourself, and texting photos might work too. The ridiculous part is that there's no way to tell magazines apart at a glance, so how could one prove or disprove the magazines in your possession are the same magazines in the photos? The entire thing is asinine, and essentially impossible to comply with. One thought I did have, which may add a little more legal credence than just a photo, would be to have some sort of affidavit notarized. Even then, you still have the same problems as before. For those with NFA trusts, perhaps adding them to the trust might be an option? Not really sure how that would work either, to be honest. It's absolutely ridiculous to pass a ballot measure with no way of actually enforcing or complying with it. I hope all the sheriffs sit back and wait for further instructions, and force the idiots in Salem to realize that the entire thing is impossible as written. |
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Posted: 11/12/2022 3:00:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I received a recommendation to document each mag type in a spread sheet, capacity of each, number of each, with photos of all together with the measure title and your name and date printed out where it's legible in the photo. Print the photo and spread sheet on a page or two as needed. Then have it notarized. After being suggested that, I started thinking of adding mine to my gun trust my NFA items are on. Still looking into it. Looks like I took too long typing up my ridiculously long-winded response.  I had the same thoughts you did; either have something notarized or have them added to a trust. The problem there is having to inventory them all. 
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Posted: 11/12/2022 3:12:22 AM EDT
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Quoted: Fuck, I might just have to do that too. Thanks for buying me a vowel Liazraht.Quoted: Looks like I took too long typing up my ridiculously long-winded response. I had the same thoughts you did; either have something notarized or have them added to a trust. The problem there is having to inventory them all. I need to read through mine again. I can add anything I want online, just need to check if it has a date for each as i can't remember, then print. Not sure if I need to notarize the additions, but at least then I can share mags with the few on my trust as needed until this shits overturned. Might need to add my grandfather to it. He's still got his pre-bans from before the 94 ban. |
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Posted: 11/12/2022 3:13:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Looks like I took too long typing up my ridiculously long-winded response. I had the same thoughts you did; either have something notarized or have them added to a trust. The problem there is having to inventory them all. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I received a recommendation to document each mag type in a spread sheet, capacity of each, number of each, with photos of all together with the measure title and your name and date printed out where it's legible in the photo. Print the photo and spread sheet on a page or two as needed. Then have it notarized. After being suggested that, I started thinking of adding mine to my gun trust my NFA items are on. Still looking into it. Looks like I took too long typing up my ridiculously long-winded response. I had the same thoughts you did; either have something notarized or have them added to a trust. The problem there is having to inventory them all.
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Posted: 11/12/2022 3:17:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm right there with you man. What a bunch of crap. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I received a recommendation to document each mag type in a spread sheet, capacity of each, number of each, with photos of all together with the measure title and your name and date printed out where it's legible in the photo. Print the photo and spread sheet on a page or two as needed. Then have it notarized. After being suggested that, I started thinking of adding mine to my gun trust my NFA items are on. Still looking into it. Looks like I took too long typing up my ridiculously long-winded response. I had the same thoughts you did; either have something notarized or have them added to a trust. The problem there is having to inventory them all. 1 pmag ah ah ah  Attached File |
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Posted: 11/12/2022 3:17:55 AM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm just glad most of my inventory is black gen 2 pmag 30s. 1 pmag ah ah ah https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/504436/DzhyYE8d_400x400_jpg-2597168.JPG Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I received a recommendation to document each mag type in a spread sheet, capacity of each, number of each, with photos of all together with the measure title and your name and date printed out where it's legible in the photo. Print the photo and spread sheet on a page or two as needed. Then have it notarized. After being suggested that, I started thinking of adding mine to my gun trust my NFA items are on. Still looking into it. Looks like I took too long typing up my ridiculously long-winded response. I had the same thoughts you did; either have something notarized or have them added to a trust. The problem there is having to inventory them all. 1 pmag ah ah ah https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/504436/DzhyYE8d_400x400_jpg-2597168.JPG |
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Posted: 11/12/2022 3:23:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: LOL! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I received a recommendation to document each mag type in a spread sheet, capacity of each, number of each, with photos of all together with the measure title and your name and date printed out where it's legible in the photo. Print the photo and spread sheet on a page or two as needed. Then have it notarized. After being suggested that, I started thinking of adding mine to my gun trust my NFA items are on. Still looking into it. Looks like I took too long typing up my ridiculously long-winded response. I had the same thoughts you did; either have something notarized or have them added to a trust. The problem there is having to inventory them all. 1 pmag ah ah ah https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/504436/DzhyYE8d_400x400_jpg-2597168.JPG Buy cheap, stack deep. I have more pmags than ammo to fill them. Still ordering more
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Posted: 11/12/2022 3:29:51 AM EDT
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How is this going to withstand a challenge under Bruen?
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Posted: 11/12/2022 3:33:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How is this going to withstand a challenge under Bruen? |
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Posted: 11/12/2022 3:33:14 AM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: How is this going to withstand a challenge under Bruen? Hopefully about like this: 
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Posted: 11/12/2022 4:18:01 AM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What would you call it? Oregon's color? When a Democrat wins by 15 points with 2 far-left third party candidates on the ticket siphoning votes, I'd call it Blue. At least for now. Maybe figure out how to move 200,000 liberals from Portland to Seattle. I wish we could convince 200,000 to move from Atlanta back to wherever they came from. The gun fee? Call it a fee or a tax, either way the effect is the same and likely constitutional given USSC's treatment of poll taxes until the 24th Amendment ended them (but did not address taxes/fees to exercise other enumerated rights). |
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Posted: 11/12/2022 4:19:50 AM EDT
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I honestly did not expect 114 to be so close, but here we are.
 As to the mag ban part, I think the best course of action at the moment is to buy ANY >10rd mags you might have thought about getting at some point, plus some extras of each, and carry on as normal. Worrying about how we as individuals are going to comply and go about justifying some fucking stamped metal boxes with springs in them just lends legitimacy to this nonsense. It is unenforceable if enough people ignore it, especially with how lax our law inforcement has become. I'm more concerned about what gun shops that are actually under scrutiny are going to do if this measure goes into effect. Also, a huge thanks to Liaztraht and I'm sure many others who have expended a LOT more effort and money than I have on fighting for Oregon, and who have been keeping us updated here. You've encouraged me to do more, so thank you. |
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Posted: 11/12/2022 4:27:47 AM EDT
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Just like ILL. Fat Bastard Pritzger is going to implement an Assault Weapons Ban this coming week or right after the first of the year. SCOTUS has already ruled it unconstitutional.
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Posted: 11/12/2022 8:09:30 AM EDT
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What’s with this shit about having to prove you bought 10+ mags before they were outlawed? Isn’t that “guilty until proven innocent” Why is it not the states burden to prove you obtained said magazines after xxxx date?
Also, has this actually passed? Everything I can find says only 85% of votes have been counted. Sorry if already asked and answered, didn’t read the whole thread. |
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Posted: 11/12/2022 8:48:18 AM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What’s with this shit about having to prove you bought 10+ mags before they were outlawed? Isn’t that “guilty until proven innocent” Why is it not the states burden to prove you obtained said magazines after xxxx date? Also, has this actually passed? Everything I can find says only 85% of votes have been counted. Sorry if already asked and answered, didn’t read the whole thread. Based on the history of the counties with ballots left to count, there is no way the rest of the state can overcome the deficit. On a map, the state is overwhelmingly blue, but the high population of a few cities ends up controlling the rest of the state. |
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Posted: 11/12/2022 10:24:08 AM EDT
[#35]
Muh abortion is big time..false sense of a woman's right
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Posted: 11/12/2022 10:43:44 AM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What's with this shit about having to prove you bought 10+ mags before they were outlawed? Isn't that "guilty until proven innocent" Why is it not the states burden to prove you obtained said magazines after xxxx date? Also, has this actually passed? Everything I can find says only 85% of votes have been counted. Sorry if already asked and answered, didn't read the whole thread.  Attached File Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 11/12/2022 11:17:19 AM EDT
[#37]
I know, I know, link to NWF forum.
https://www.northwestfirearms.com/threads/sportsmans-warehouse-update-regarding-oregon-measure-114-december-7th-2022-is-the-last-day-to-purchase-firearms-without-permit.431222/ Sportsman's Warehouse sent out an email about 114 showing how it is a ban as there is nothing in place to supplement the wording and requirements. |
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Posted: 11/12/2022 11:21:37 AM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I know, I know, link to NWF forum. https://www.northwestfirearms.com/threads/sportsmans-warehouse-update-regarding-oregon-measure-114-december-7th-2022-is-the-last-day-to-purchase-firearms-without-permit.431222/ Sportsman's Warehouse sent out an email about 114 showing how it is a ban as there is nothing in place to supplement the wording and requirements.
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Posted: 11/12/2022 11:27:27 AM EDT
[#39]
I would ignore it completely get all parts and magazines from neighboring states and continue like normal if I lived there.
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Posted: 11/12/2022 11:31:16 AM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What’s with this shit about having to prove you bought 10+ mags before they were outlawed? Isn’t that “guilty until proven innocent” Why is it not the states burden to prove you obtained said magazines after xxxx date? Also, has this actually passed? Everything I can find says only 85% of votes have been counted. Sorry if already asked and answered, didn’t read the whole thread. Being able to prove prior ownership provides an affirmative defense. Without it, I believe the burden of proof is on the state, but essentially having a receipt will negate any charges entirely. |
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Posted: 11/12/2022 11:34:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That soon? December 8th is right around the corner That was my reaction too! I'll probably do a group buy with some buddies this next week and I gotta stock up on springs for the 3D printer. I still have printed AK mags I havnt gotten springs for and tried. With folks with 3D printers there is no hope to enforce a mag ban. |
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Posted: 11/12/2022 11:37:31 AM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The pacific northwest has long been a destination for fugitives from other states and outlaw biker gangs (no idea why). But, it seems that these states are intent on transitioning from real functioning states to criminal havens. When industry leaves and there is no one left to pay the taxes that support homeless encampments, what then? 
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Posted: 11/12/2022 11:48:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Oregon's color? When a Democrat wins by 15 points with 2 far-left third party candidates on the ticket siphoning votes, I'd call it Blue. At least for now. Maybe figure out how to move 200,000 liberals from Portland to Seattle. I wish we could convince 200,000 to move from Atlanta back to wherever they came from. The gun fee? Call it a fee or a tax, either way the effect is the same and likely constitutional given USSC's treatment of poll taxes until the 24th Amendment ended them (but did not address taxes/fees to exercise other enumerated rights). Who won by 15 points? 47.1% for Kotek - 43.5% for Drazan = 15? Most of Oregon(by area) is overwhelmingly red with a population center that is blue, just like most states, especially out west. |
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Posted: 11/12/2022 11:53:30 AM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Our gun laws now suck, but Ohio just sucks. Everything is subjective, I’m glad you are happy there. Have lived in both. Oregon is a shit hole compared to Ohio. People are soooo much better in Ohio. Oregon, people are all just a holes. |
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Posted: 11/12/2022 12:04:52 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Have lived in both. Oregon is a shit hole compared to Ohio. People are soooo much better in Ohio. Oregon, people are all just a holes. You need to leave Portland sometime. That place is a confirmation bias. |
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Posted: 11/12/2022 12:20:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Have lived in both. Oregon is a shit hole compared to Ohio. People are soooo much better in Ohio. Oregon, people are all just a holes. This thread proves otherwise. |
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Posted: 11/12/2022 12:54:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Have lived in both. Oregon is a shit hole compared to Ohio. People are soooo much better in Ohio. Oregon, people are all just a holes. I've also lived in both Oregon and Ohio. In fact, over 15 years on Maumee Bay north of the state park. Your argument is both juvenile and ridiculous, and has nothing at all to do with the subject of this thread. |
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Posted: 11/12/2022 1:02:26 PM EDT
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The way I’m looking at it. If they’re coming to my house looking for mags, I’ve got way bigger problems at that point. If I’m out shooting and have a half dozen or so and get ticketed (which I seriously doubt in my county) I’ll bring up any of my previous online orders, print a receipt, that’s proof I bought them years ago. It’s not like I’ve ever gone shooting and taken hundreds of mags that I’d suddenly have to account for.
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Posted: 11/12/2022 1:11:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I get it. I've been looking for current sheriffs statements on 114 compliance. I've got the ones from Coos and Linn counties but having trouble getting official statements from others. If anyone else sees them or can contact their sheriffs or police departments, it would help when we start to work on the legal end. I've sent this email to Sheriff Joe Cast of Marion County: Sheriff Kast,? With ballot measure 114 on the verge of passing, the subject of funding and enforcement are coming into play. As a citizen of Marion County, I am very concerned about the ability of Marion County to implement the permitting process and the resulting costs, and also about the magazine capacity issue. ? ? Does the Marion County Sheriffs Department have the personnel and financial resources to implement the permitting process? Do you intend to implement a permitting process for the county? Do you intend to enforce the ban on magazines with greater than ten round capacity for those with a CHL, or the population in general?? ? How will you address the issue of off duty law enforcement personnel, officers of the court, or anyone else that carries a firearm as a part of their job not being able to have the magazines while not in the performance of their official duties? ? ? I appreciate the complexity of the issues and the burden it places on you and your staff.? ? Looking forward to hearing from you.? ? Best regards, If others would send similar emails and report results, it would help out. Keep in mind, this isn't meant for harassment, just a way to get on the record responses. Thanks in advance @Piratepast40 Union County ADD Malheur County to hotlink |
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Posted: 11/12/2022 3:19:20 PM EDT
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@Piratepast40
Nathan Sickler's respons for Jackson https://www.mailtribune.com/top-stories/2022/11/12/sickler-posts-measure-114-plans-on-facebook/ Jackson County Sheriff Nate Sickler Statement on Measure 114 With the likely passing of M114, myself and other sheriffs across the state are getting questions about how things will work and if there will be enforcement of the magazine capacity portion of this bill. There have also been questions about the training aspect needed to get permits to begin the purchase of a firearm. In Jackson County the measure failed substantially (roughly 20 points). In elections that margin is generally considered decisive. As the leader of a county law enforcement agency that has more issues to address than available resources, we must constantly evaluate the best way to use those resources to improve safety. Measure 114 is wrought with issues to include placing unfounded mandates on law enforcement, the difficulty of multiple government agencies trying to coordinate to provide a single mandated service, and most certainly the numerous legal challenges that will test the constitutionality of this measure. If this measure takes effect, my office will work diligently to ensure people have the ability to get a permit needed to purchase a firearm, as that is a constitutional right. We are going to collaborate with our County, municipal, and state partners to ensure this process is efficient as possible. We will not spend time and resources investigating who has obtained magazines that have a capacity over 10 rounds after this measure takes effect. Sincerely, Sheriff Nate Sickler He says if it takes effect, they will do what they can to ensure folk can get the permits. He also says they will not spend time and resources on the magazine ban. |
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