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Posted: 10/31/2006 12:04:34 PM EDT

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Come on, guys--any Monday morning quarterbacking isn't going to change a thing. He ended up hydroplaning and that usually occurs suddenly and without warning--and is often irrecoverable once control is lost. Sad all around, to be sure.

Posted: 10/31/2006 12:10:42 PM EDT

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Ummm, he did kill two people... accident, yes. Careless, yes. Innocent, no.

How do you figure him to be guilty?

Excessive speed without calling it in per policy.

He was going nowhere in particular or would have called it in as a run, remember there was a second trooper to run the radio.

He more than likely committed 2 counts of manslaughter due to his speed.

ETA: I doubt I would resist the temptation to drive over 100 if I had Lights and a siren either.

60-71 according to the reconstruction.

Is that the speed at the time of impact?

Posted: 10/31/2006 12:12:15 PM EDT

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Thats a bit of a reach there. Why on earth would the state patrol be the responding agency for a child abuse case. I think what happened was a tragedy, and there was no intent to cause anyone harm. regardless the trooper was driving to fast for the conditions and paid for it with his life and his Sgt's and an innocent bystander. The only good thing that can come out of this is:
1. A reminder that getting complacent while operating a emergency vehicle is deadly
2. A reminder to always have sit awareness
3. I hope the baby is ok

Pissing on the troopers memory will not bring the pickup driver back. A common thread on arfcom is that peace officers are no different then the anybody else and it's true everyone has lapses in judgement and makes mistakes, some get lucky others do not

Because the child involved was an off duty Trooper's child...........................

Right so would it not make more sense for the county SO or local PD to lead the investigation? I don't know how it is where you work but where I used to work we avoided that at all costs. I worked for the SO we had a few guys get investigated and we had the state police conduct the investigation, likewise when a trooper was suspected of abuse our agency got the case..... It doesn't inspire the most confidence when an agency investigates itself

Posted: 10/31/2006 1:02:06 PM EDT

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Right so would it not make more sense for the county SO or local PD to lead the investigation? I don't know how it is where you work but where I used to work we avoided that at all costs. I worked for the SO we had a few guys get investigated and we had the state police conduct the investigation, likewise when a trooper was suspected of abuse our agency got the case..... It doesn't inspire the most confidence when an agency investigates itself

Generally there have to be two sepearate investigations

1) Criminal to determine if a crime was committed, and gather evidence to prosecute that crime. - this is the one that gets you arrested

2) Administrative to determine of any work rules or policies were violated. - this is the one that gets you fired, suspended, written up etc. - even if the criminal investigation determines no crime was committed.

Posted: 10/31/2006 2:50:40 PM EDT

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What would everyone say if a "civilian" was speeding around 30 mph over the speed limit, wrecked, and killed himself and two others?

Posted: 10/31/2006 3:42:25 PM EDT

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What would everyone say if a "civilian" was speeding around 30 mph over the speed limit, wrecked, and killed himself and two others?

Well, obviously the civilian was at fault for driving recklessly. But don't forget, the cop had to take a report, so he was justified.

Posted: 10/31/2006 4:20:34 PM EDT

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What would everyone say if a "civilian" was speeding around 30 mph over the speed limit, wrecked, and killed himself and two others?

Outside of the immediate area we wouldn't have heard about it. This (civilians causing fatal accidents) happens a dozen or two times PER DAY across the country, no?

What was your point?

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