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Posted: 2/2/2023 6:25:24 PM EDT
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Mel Kiper, "I don't think this is a good draft."
Not surprising considering how last year we had the Covid super seniors and everyone who delayed declaring a year (due to Covid) resulting in an incredibly deep draft. It also meant you had a ton of players continuing to get field time in 2021 which delayed the younger players from getting as much play time/development. So this year's draft holds a much smaller pool numbers wise and a much larger pool of people who have had an entire season less field time than a usual draft. Edit: Not to mention people further lost play time even the year before that due to game cancellations from Covid. So you have some guys declaring who may have missed out on almost 2 full seasons of play time during their college tenure. |
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Posted: 2/2/2023 7:03:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Amazing cap manipulation and drafting will do that. Course they had a just little help against Cincy. Quote HistoryQuoted: Amazing cap manipulation and drafting will do that. Course they had a just little help against Cincy. All I hear is excuses. The team went through a rebuilding process and continued to stay on top. They will be even better next year while other top contenders are about to see their championship window start to close. It would take a miracle to win the SB with all their WR’s banged up, but they will keep getting shots for the foreseeable future. |
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Posted: 2/2/2023 7:05:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Mel Kiper, "I don't think this is a good draft." How would he know until 3-4 years from now? The draft has been littered with top 10 pick busts. It's also had multiple HOF players whom were picked in the lower rounds. Hell, Johnny Unitas was claimed off of the waiver wire for $25 by the Colts from the Steelers. One of this years hottest QB's (49ers Purdy) was THE last pick of the draft & he was red hot once he got playing time. A reporter once asked Bear Bryant, "Coach, how do you rank your recruiting class this year?" Bryant replied, "Ask me in four years." Seems like solid advice, IMO. |
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Posted: 2/2/2023 7:10:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That guy has a hard on for Burrow. It seems he attacks pretty much everything he says. He leaves out stuff and makes it sound the way he wants. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Agreed but Jason Whitlock has some interesting comments on him. I have heard he is a good guy from people as second hand and third hand info though. https://foxsportsradio.iheart.com/content/2022-09-22-jason-whitlock-says-joe-burrow-is-suffering-from-colin-kaepernick-disease/ That guy has a hard on for Burrow. It seems he attacks pretty much everything he says. He leaves out stuff and makes it sound the way he wants. As I said, people I know say he is a good guy but we weren’t discussing him in the context of politics, rather how he treats people. |
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Posted: 2/2/2023 7:26:44 PM EDT
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 Pointed a gun at a woman in downtown Cincinnati and told her, "You should be popped in the face. I should shoot you now. The police can't get me." January 21st, so right before the Bills game. From the Bengals: "The club is aware misdemeanor charges have been raised against Joe Mixon. The club is investigating the situation and will not comment further at this time." |
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Posted: 2/2/2023 7:36:42 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/2/2023 8:01:21 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/2/2023 8:14:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fn_7jdnWYAMdxAk?format=jpg&name=small Pointed a gun at a woman in downtown Cincinnati and told her, "You should be popped in the face. I should shoot you now. The police can't get me." January 21st, so right before the Bills game. From the Bengals: "The club is aware misdemeanor charges have been raised against Joe Mixon. The club is investigating the situation and will not comment further at this time." Misdemeanor? Shouldn’t this be some kind of brandishing charge at minimum? |
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Posted: 2/2/2023 8:16:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Misdemeanor? Shouldn't this be some kind of brandishing charge at minimum? |
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Posted: 2/2/2023 8:30:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fn_7jdnWYAMdxAk?format=jpg&name=small Pointed a gun at a woman in downtown Cincinnati and told her, "You should be popped in the face. I should shoot you now. The police can't get me." January 21st, so right before the Bills game. From the Bengals: "The club is aware misdemeanor charges have been raised against Joe Mixon. The club is investigating the situation and will not comment further at this time." Man. Mixon lives in a nice neighborhood  |
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Posted: 2/2/2023 8:52:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fn_7jdnWYAMdxAk?format=jpg&name=small Pointed a gun at a woman in downtown Cincinnati and told her, "You should be popped in the face. I should shoot you now. The police can't get me." January 21st, so right before the Bills game. From the Bengals: "The club is aware misdemeanor charges have been raised against Joe Mixon. The club is investigating the situation and will not comment further at this time." When I first saw that, I thought it was a joke about his 4 TD game. Guess not
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Posted: 2/2/2023 8:54:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Man. Mixon lives in a nice neighborhood Be a shame for some Chinese Knock-Knock since his address is public now
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Posted: 2/2/2023 8:55:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Be a shame for some Chinese Knock-Knock since his address is public now We called it something quite different. |
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Posted: 2/2/2023 8:55:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Man. Mixon lives in a nice neighborhood First thing I looked at too. Given his history (iirc he beat up a college girlfriend) it may be time to be done with him. |
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Posted: 2/2/2023 8:57:40 PM EDT
[#15]
Dan Ovlasky (spelling?) had a list of Top 5 QBs. No Joe Montana. Any top QB list without Montana is by nature retarded. Thanks for reading my PSA.
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Posted: 2/2/2023 8:58:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: First thing I looked at too. Given his history (iirc he beat up a college girlfriend) it may be time to be done with him. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Man. Mixon lives in a nice neighborhood First thing I looked at too. Given his history (iirc he beat up a college girlfriend) it may be time to be done with him. Some of these guys have a real gift for getting caught up in stupid shit when they have millions of dollars on the line  Even as college athletes people should be thinking about their future earning potential in the NFL and somehow keep their noses clean but nope. |
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Posted: 2/2/2023 9:04:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How would he know until 3-4 years from now? The draft has been littered with top 10 pick busts. It's also had multiple HOF players whom were picked in the lower rounds. Hell, Johnny Unitas was claimed off of the waiver wire for $25 by the Colts from the Steelers. One of this years hottest QB's (49ers Purdy) was THE last pick of the draft & he was red hot once he got playing time. A reporter once asked Bear Bryant, "Coach, how do you rank your recruiting class this year?" Bryant replied, "Ask me in four years." Seems like solid advice, IMO. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Mel Kiper, "I don't think this is a good draft." How would he know until 3-4 years from now? The draft has been littered with top 10 pick busts. It's also had multiple HOF players whom were picked in the lower rounds. Hell, Johnny Unitas was claimed off of the waiver wire for $25 by the Colts from the Steelers. One of this years hottest QB's (49ers Purdy) was THE last pick of the draft & he was red hot once he got playing time. A reporter once asked Bear Bryant, "Coach, how do you rank your recruiting class this year?" Bryant replied, "Ask me in four years." Seems like solid advice, IMO. For some of these guys that live this stuff, there are pretty good indicators about how a certain class looks. They might hit or miss on individual players, but the larger trends can be easier to read. Last year's draft class was known to be a weak QB class, and it was. There's also a clear trend of each given year of most of the really talented players really do go in the first round or two. This graphic is pretty old, but it paints the general picture:  I think Purdy is kind of misleading for a few reasons, one of the biggest being the system he plays in. I'm not sure Shanahan is the huge genius people claim he is, but he does have a system that squeezes really good value out of mediocre QBs. This is a system that humiliated the Raiders in a primetime game with a QB that, at the time, didn't even have a Wikipedia article. While Purdy did have a better regular season QBR than Garoppolo (65.4 vs 54.3), Garoppolo had a higher CPOE and EPA/play. The difference between those two players may not be what it appears to be, but I think it's reasonable for 9ers fans to hope/expect Purdy will grow and develop more whereas we know what Garoppolo is. |
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Posted: 2/2/2023 9:11:41 PM EDT
[#18]
I'm not watching any of the Pro Bowl stuff (yet? lol), but Derek Carr is having himself a NIGHT:
(Good videos in both tweets.) |
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Posted: 2/2/2023 9:25:19 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/2/2023 9:28:13 PM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm not watching any of the Pro Bowl stuff (yet? lol), but Derek Carr is having himself a NIGHT:
(Good videos in both tweets.) How long have they been doing Pro Bowl events on Thursday? |
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Posted: 2/2/2023 9:29:57 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: IMO, CD can be that guy. They can get whatever QB coach they want, but Daks gotta be hungry to improve as well. Im not sure if Dak is that kinda competitor though. Agreed 100% I think Dak wants to win. I don't think he has the killer instinct of say a Brady. A drive to win above all else. I see the offense being lethargic, laxidasicle, just going through the motions at times. I don't see Dak losing his shit when someone runs the wrong route. Committing a dumbass penalty. Brady did. |
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Posted: 2/2/2023 9:36:19 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/2/2023 9:37:58 PM EDT
[#23]
Mixon's agent tweeted that the charges are being dropped on Friday.
I know how that works, but how in the hell does that work?  Besides this, lackluster production, complaining loudly at times in the locker room, and $12M/ year.. Bengals would be wise to cut ties after June 1st. |
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Posted: 2/2/2023 9:43:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm not watching any of the Pro Bowl stuff (yet? lol), but Derek Carr is having himself a NIGHT:
(Good videos in both tweets.) Hopefully Carr finds a home in a good system...in the NFC. 49ers? 
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Posted: 2/2/2023 9:46:13 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Hopefully Carr finds a home in a good system...in the NFC. 49ers? No |
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Posted: 2/2/2023 9:50:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No Lol.. You can, and will do a lot worse.
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Posted: 2/2/2023 9:55:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That guy has a hard on for Burrow. It seems he attacks pretty much everything he says. He leaves out stuff and makes it sound the way he wants. First time I read this, I thought you were talking about Hunter-Killer.
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Posted: 2/2/2023 9:56:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Hopefully Carr finds a home in a good system...in the NFC. 49ers? No Bucs |
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Posted: 2/2/2023 10:01:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Dan Ovlasky (spelling?) had a list of Top 5 QBs. No Joe Montana. Any top QB list without Montana is by nature retarded. Thanks for reading my PSA. Stats can, but usually don't, measure the intangible of clutch. 4th quarter, winning drives...meh, it tries, but that implies weaknesses on defense. Maybe the geeks have something. My point is Montana was a great quarterback but some of his greatness can't be measured with the usual stats that most cite. |
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Posted: 2/2/2023 10:10:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sounds like the average MSM journo.  I never go to sports sites. Team sites directly or catch stuff on twitter once in a while. The number of people who make a living off of sports is incredible. A good third or more of the posts on here are bitching about some "commentator" or other that people hate. People ain't wrong when they say the country is falling apart, and as long as there is bread and circuses it will continue. |
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Posted: 2/2/2023 10:13:16 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: A glance at his social media accounts one can see that is clearly BS. I don't follow his social media. I watch him play football. Same with the rest of the team(s) |
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Posted: 2/2/2023 10:23:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Some of these guys have a real gift for getting caught up in stupid shit when they have millions of dollars on the line Even as college athletes people should be thinking about their future earning potential in the NFL and somehow keep their noses clean but nope. They are gifted athletically, the brains get bounced around pretty good.
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Posted: 2/2/2023 10:40:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Mixon's agent tweeted that the charges are being dropped on Friday. I know how that works, but how in the hell does that work? Besides this, lackluster production, complaining loudly at times in the locker room, and $12M/ year.. Bengals would be wise to cut ties after June 1st. He really ain't any better than Perrine. |
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Posted: 2/2/2023 10:57:51 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Bucs I'm not up to speed if this is a trade or FA situation with Carr. I just know the eye test says he's still got the ability and some winning in him. The Titans makes sense. Instant contenders, I'd say even favorites, against Jacksonville for the AFC South. Guaranteed playoffs, first year. |
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Posted: 2/2/2023 11:01:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: He really ain't any better than Perrine. Gross production, I'd agree. Totally different style runners, and Mixon ranks pretty low on yards after contact. Perrine was a Fullback for the Steelers in a previous life. The perennially poor, or either banged up O-Line hasn't done Mixon any favors, either. |
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Posted: 2/2/2023 11:10:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm not up to speed if this is a trade or FA situation with Carr. I just know the eye test says he's still got the ability and some winning in him. The Titans makes sense. Instant contenders, I'd say even favorites, against Jacksonville for the AFC South. Guaranteed playoffs, first year. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Bucs I'm not up to speed if this is a trade or FA situation with Carr. I just know the eye test says he's still got the ability and some winning in him. The Titans makes sense. Instant contenders, I'd say even favorites, against Jacksonville for the AFC South. Guaranteed playoffs, first year. I think it would be a good place for him to go. At least half the season is warm weather at home, and 3 away games would be AFC South being in Houston, Jax, Nashville, and Indy. Indy is a dome so he'd he'd have a guaranteed 11-12 games a year NOT in a cold outdoor stadium. |
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Posted: 2/2/2023 11:29:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think it would be a good place for him to go. At least half the season is warm weather at home, and 3 away games would be AFC South being in Houston, Jax, Nashville, and Indy. Indy is a dome so he'd he'd have a guaranteed 11-12 games a year NOT in a cold outdoor stadium. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Bucs I'm not up to speed if this is a trade or FA situation with Carr. I just know the eye test says he's still got the ability and some winning in him. The Titans makes sense. Instant contenders, I'd say even favorites, against Jacksonville for the AFC South. Guaranteed playoffs, first year. I think it would be a good place for him to go. At least half the season is warm weather at home, and 3 away games would be AFC South being in Houston, Jax, Nashville, and Indy. Indy is a dome so he'd he'd have a guaranteed 11-12 games a year NOT in a cold outdoor stadium. I came to post about Carr since some local radio guys were talking about his situation. and honestly, he's in a real good one. his $40 mil guaranteed with a no trade clause kicks in after the Super Bowl. so the raiders can try and trade him now, but who the fuck would take him (besides dan Snyder and co) when he'll just be released. once he hits the market, someone is gonna give him a nice payday. his exit from Vegas kinda sucks, but he'll have a number of suitors and get a good payday. |
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Posted: 2/2/2023 11:31:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: All I hear is excuses. The team went through a rebuilding process and continued to stay on top. They will be even better next year while other top contenders are about to see their championship window start to close. It would take a miracle to win the SB with all their WR’s banged up, but they will keep getting shots for the foreseeable future. I've posted several times that their organization played the re-loading situation like virtuosos. Mahomes smartly left cash on the table for other talent, and facilitated working the cap like wizards. Everything has gone their way, because of they way they did it. Still, they haven't had to earn a SB berth playing on the road, it may be a while before they have to. |
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Posted: 2/3/2023 1:12:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I've posted several times that their organization played the re-loading situation like virtuosos. Mahomes smartly left cash on the table for other talent, and facilitated working the cap like wizards. Everything has gone their way, because of they way they did it. Still, they haven't had to earn a SB berth playing on the road, it may be a while before they have to. The half billion dollar man left cash on the table? Man that is an innovative way to view his contract. Love to hear your perspective on how a guy who constitutes 25% of his team's cap for the next half-decade left cash on the table. |
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Posted: 2/3/2023 1:21:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The half billion dollar man left cash on the table? Man that is an innovative way to view his contract. Love to hear your perspective on how a guy who constitutes 25% of his team's cap for the next half-decade left cash on the table. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I've posted several times that their organization played the re-loading situation like virtuosos. Mahomes smartly left cash on the table for other talent, and facilitated working the cap like wizards. Everything has gone their way, because of they way they did it. Still, they haven't had to earn a SB berth playing on the road, it may be a while before they have to. The half billion dollar man left cash on the table? Man that is an innovative way to view his contract. Love to hear your perspective on how a guy who constitutes 25% of his team's cap for the next half-decade left cash on the table. The cap going up is factored into those deals, and its not really a 10 year deal. His contract was a lot better than many others including Dak, Wilson, Rodgers, and Watson. Edit- Dak's cap number for 2023 is higher than Mahomes. |
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Posted: 2/3/2023 1:31:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The cap going up is factored into those deals, and its not really a 10 year deal. His contract was a lot better than many others including Dak, Wilson, Rodgers, and Watson. Edit- Dak's cap number for 2023 is higher than Mahomes. That says less about Mahomes number and more about how stupid Jerry Jones is. Russell Wilson, Rodgers, and Watson are all examples of how NFL teams should never structure deals. For Mahomes to be measured in the same breath is an indictment of how bad that potentially is. |
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Posted: 2/3/2023 1:34:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't follow his social media. I watch him play football. Same with the rest of the team(s) Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: A glance at his social media accounts one can see that is clearly BS. I don't follow his social media. I watch him play football. Same with the rest of the team(s) Nor I, but people here have posted his anti-gun, pro-abortion, etc. social media postings enough for me to know that the claim that Burrow "tries not to be political" is bullshit. |
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Posted: 2/3/2023 1:51:56 AM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That says less about Mahomes number and more about how stupid Jerry Jones is. Russell Wilson, Rodgers, and Watson are all examples of how NFL teams should never structure deals. For Mahomes to be measured in the same breath is an indictment of how bad that potentially is. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The cap going up is factored into those deals, and its not really a 10 year deal. His contract was a lot better than many others including Dak, Wilson, Rodgers, and Watson. Edit- Dak's cap number for 2023 is higher than Mahomes. That says less about Mahomes number and more about how stupid Jerry Jones is. Russell Wilson, Rodgers, and Watson are all examples of how NFL teams should never structure deals. For Mahomes to be measured in the same breath is an indictment of how bad that potentially is. I was responding about cap %. In 2023 Rodgers will be 13.9%. Mahomes will be 20.9%. Dak will be 21.5%. |
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Posted: 2/3/2023 1:58:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I was responding about cap %. In 2023 Rodgers will be 13.9%. Mahomes will be 20.9%. Dak will be 21.5%. Man that's a lot to take in. |
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Posted: 2/3/2023 2:04:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Man that's a lot to take in. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I was responding about cap %. In 2023 Rodgers will be 13.9%. Mahomes will be 20.9%. Dak will be 21.5%. Man that's a lot to take in. If you push out the % to 2024 the order stays the same. |
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Posted: 2/3/2023 2:25:35 AM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Agreed 100% I think Dak wants to win. I don't think he has the killer instinct of say a Brady. A drive to win above all else. I see the offense being lethargic, laxidasicle, just going through the motions at times. I don't see Dak losing his shit when someone runs the wrong route. Committing a dumbass penalty. Brady did. |
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Posted: 2/3/2023 6:44:48 AM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I was responding about cap %. In 2023 Rodgers will be 13.9%. Mahomes will be 20.9%. Dak will be 21.5%. Rodgers contract is so weird he shouldn’t be included. He also has two years on his contract that will never be played but technically they aren’t void years. Pretty sure there’s still an option to be picked up before the 23 season also. |
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Posted: 2/3/2023 6:48:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I was responding about cap %. Dak will be 21.5%. Now does everyone realize why people shit on Dak? He in no way plays at this level. |
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Posted: 2/3/2023 6:49:38 AM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Rodgers contract is so weird he shouldn't be included. He also has two years on his contract that will never be played but technically they aren't void years. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I was responding about cap %. In 2023 Rodgers will be 13.9%. Mahomes will be 20.9%. Dak will be 21.5%. Rodgers contract is so weird he shouldn't be included. He also has two years on his contract that will never be played but technically they aren't void years. Explain? |
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Posted: 2/3/2023 6:52:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Explain? From over the cap: Aaron Rodgers signed a three year, $150 million contract with the Packers on March 14, 2022. Rodgers received $101.4 million in full guarantees and $150.66 million in injury guarantees. Rodgers received a $40.8 million signing bonus as part of the contract. The Packers can pick up a guaranteed option in 2023 worth $58.3 million. If Rodgers is on the roster on the 5th day of the 2024 waiver period his salary for the year and a $47 million option bonus will be fully guaranteed. The team has two dummy years on the contract for salary cap purposes. Technically they are not void years but they are not seasons that Rodgers would be asked to honor if he were on the roster. Article explaining all the possibilities |
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