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Posted: 1/19/2021 1:47:40 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/19/2021 1:48:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't have a dog in that fight, but based on your post, I see it as the Frank Gore conundrum. There are volume stats and then there are efficiency stats. Volume stats are largely just indicators of longevity (Frank Gore). Efficiency stats are better indicators of things like talent and/or scheme depending upon who or what you are evaluating. Let's review the Drew Brees discussion from the previous page: From where I sit, the career yards and career completions stats aren't super special when you're talking about a guy that was in the league for 20 years. Those completion percentage stats? Now THOSE are really special. Looking at Johnson's stats and list of records and knowing the context of the team he did that with, what he did is pretty incredible. He has 9 league records listed on his Wiki page, and none of them are based on longevity. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Calvin Johnson, "It will feel like a slight," to not be selected first ballot. Fuck off Calvin. You are one of the most physically gifted people to ever play the game, but you left early. You have no CAREER stats to brag about. You have single game and single season stats. You're not even in the top TWENTY for touchdowns. Not even in the top THIRTY for yardage. Not even in the top FOURTY for receptions. TO didn't get in until his 3rd ballot (3rd in TDs, 3rd in yards, 3rd in receptions). Marvin Harrison 3rd (5th in TDs, 9th in yards, 9th in receptions). Cris Carter 6th (4th in TDs, 13th in yards, 13th in receptions). And you think it is a slight if you don't go first? Go fuck yourself. I don't have a dog in that fight, but based on your post, I see it as the Frank Gore conundrum. There are volume stats and then there are efficiency stats. Volume stats are largely just indicators of longevity (Frank Gore). Efficiency stats are better indicators of things like talent and/or scheme depending upon who or what you are evaluating. Let's review the Drew Brees discussion from the previous page: Quoted: Quoted: Does Brees hold any of the big passing records as of today? Most career passing yards Most career pass completions Highest career completion percentage Most pass completions in a season Highest single-season completion percentage Highest single-game completion percentage Most touchdown passes in a game (tied) Most consecutive games with a touchdown pass From where I sit, the career yards and career completions stats aren't super special when you're talking about a guy that was in the league for 20 years. Those completion percentage stats? Now THOSE are really special. Looking at Johnson's stats and list of records and knowing the context of the team he did that with, what he did is pretty incredible. He has 9 league records listed on his Wiki page, and none of them are based on longevity. I hate to keep bringing this up as I am not anti-Brees but he played in domes for most of his career and also in a south division. The weather implications of that certainly helped pad his completion percentage. |
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Posted: 1/19/2021 1:48:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If we learned anything from Howard Stern, it is that people tune in to watch people they hate just as much as people they love. People who hate Tom will watch hoping to see it be his end/downfall. Edit: Tom brings in the New England fans, Tampa fans, the sport history fans who want to continue seeing his legendary career, New England haters, Tom haters, Falcons/Saints/Panthers fans who want to see the Bucs get stomped, etc. And the one underlined, the haters, is probably a larger audience than Rodgers brings just on it's own.  Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Packers have more fans than the Bucs, but I think Brady probably has more fans than Rodgers. Also about 1/3 of the people that watch the Super Bowl are in other countries. I imagine the greatest player to ever play the sport is a bigger international draw than the MVP who won one championship a decade ago. I dunno. Have we already forgotten the hate/disgust so many fans had for NE & Brady for being so dominant? Not to mention the cheating allegations or the "favored by the refs" allegations. I also saw plenty of shade being thrown at TB12 for not meeting with/shaking hands with certain QB's this year, specifically ones that beat them. I also think Rodgers doing so much more media this year has really helped his public image. People flat out comment to McAfee's show that "Aaron Rodgers Tuesdays" has changed their opinion of him. If we learned anything from Howard Stern, it is that people tune in to watch people they hate just as much as people they love. People who hate Tom will watch hoping to see it be his end/downfall. Edit: Tom brings in the New England fans, Tampa fans, the sport history fans who want to continue seeing his legendary career, New England haters, Tom haters, Falcons/Saints/Panthers fans who want to see the Bucs get stomped, etc. And the one underlined, the haters, is probably a larger audience than Rodgers brings just on it's own. You're probably right, although I wouldn't consider those eyeballs fans. |
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Posted: 1/19/2021 1:49:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It sure won't. It's a double edged sword. If QBs get praise for wins regardless of the circumstances then they also get blame for the loses regardless of the circumstances. Unless of course you're Groot in which case you can shit the bed in a postseason game and it's STILL not your fault. Just saw a headline on my phone yesterday that claimed Groot was on the cusp of leading the Ravens to an historical comeback...and then he got injured. Unbelievable the lengths media will go to shore up "approved" narratives. |
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Posted: 1/19/2021 1:51:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You're probably right, Although I wouldn't consider those eyeballs fans. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Packers have more fans than the Bucs, but I think Brady probably has more fans than Rodgers. Also about 1/3 of the people that watch the Super Bowl are in other countries. I imagine the greatest player to ever play the sport is a bigger international draw than the MVP who won one championship a decade ago. I dunno. Have we already forgotten the hate/disgust so many fans had for NE & Brady for being so dominant? Not to mention the cheating allegations or the "favored by the refs" allegations. I also saw plenty of shade being thrown at TB12 for not meeting with/shaking hands with certain QB's this year, specifically ones that beat them. I also think Rodgers doing so much more media this year has really helped his public image. People flat out comment to McAfee's show that "Aaron Rodgers Tuesdays" has changed their opinion of him. If we learned anything from Howard Stern, it is that people tune in to watch people they hate just as much as people they love. People who hate Tom will watch hoping to see it be his end/downfall. Edit: Tom brings in the New England fans, Tampa fans, the sport history fans who want to continue seeing his legendary career, New England haters, Tom haters, Falcons/Saints/Panthers fans who want to see the Bucs get stomped, etc. And the one underlined, the haters, is probably a larger audience than Rodgers brings just on it's own. You're probably right, Although I wouldn't consider those eyeballs fans. NFL and the networks don't care if they are fans or not, they only care about the eyeballs.
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Posted: 1/19/2021 1:52:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I hate to keep bringing this up as I am not anti-Brees but he played in domes for most of his career and also in a south division. The weather implications of that certainly helped pad his completion percentage. Nine games per year minimum in domes (eight in N.O. and one in Atlanta). Add in other away games in domes and that's 10 or more per year, plus a December game in Florida. |
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Posted: 1/19/2021 1:53:35 PM EDT
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Odds to win 2022 Super Bowl:
Kansas City Chiefs 7/1 Buffalo Bills 12/1 Tampa Bay Buccanneers 12/1 Green Bay Packers 15/1 Baltimore Ravens 20/1 Dallas Cowboys 20/1 New Orleans Saints 20/1 San Francisco 49ers 20/1 Seattle Seahawks 20/1 Miami Dolphins 25/1 Arizona Cardinals 30/1 Cleveland Browns 30/1 Los Angeles Chargers 30/1 Los Angeles Rams 30/1 Pittsburgh Steelers 30/1 Indianapolis Colts 40/1 Tennessee Titans 40/1 Chicago Bears 50/1 Las Vegas Raiders 50/1 Minnesota Vikings 50/1 Philadelphia Eagles 50/1 Atlanta Falcons 60/1 New England Patriots 60/1 Carolina Panthers 75/1 Denver Broncos 75/1 Jacksonville Jaguars 75/1 New York Giants 75/1 New York Jets 75/1 Washington Redskins 75/1 Cincinnati Bengals 100/1 Detroit Lions 100/1 Houston Texans 100/1 |
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Posted: 1/19/2021 1:53:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: NFL and the networks don't care if they are fans or not, they only care about the eyeballs. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Packers have more fans than the Bucs, but I think Brady probably has more fans than Rodgers. Also about 1/3 of the people that watch the Super Bowl are in other countries. I imagine the greatest player to ever play the sport is a bigger international draw than the MVP who won one championship a decade ago. I dunno. Have we already forgotten the hate/disgust so many fans had for NE & Brady for being so dominant? Not to mention the cheating allegations or the "favored by the refs" allegations. I also saw plenty of shade being thrown at TB12 for not meeting with/shaking hands with certain QB's this year, specifically ones that beat them. I also think Rodgers doing so much more media this year has really helped his public image. People flat out comment to McAfee's show that "Aaron Rodgers Tuesdays" has changed their opinion of him. If we learned anything from Howard Stern, it is that people tune in to watch people they hate just as much as people they love. People who hate Tom will watch hoping to see it be his end/downfall. Edit: Tom brings in the New England fans, Tampa fans, the sport history fans who want to continue seeing his legendary career, New England haters, Tom haters, Falcons/Saints/Panthers fans who want to see the Bucs get stomped, etc. And the one underlined, the haters, is probably a larger audience than Rodgers brings just on it's own. You're probably right, Although I wouldn't consider those eyeballs fans. NFL and the networks don't care if they are fans or not, they only care about the eyeballs. True, but I was responding to a comment about who may have more fans. |
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Posted: 1/19/2021 2:07:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yep. l know people have tried to disprove it, but you can't deny that teams that spend more money tend to be a bit more successful. Pittsburgh Pirates- cheapest team, #26 best Dodgers- usually #1-#5 in spending, perennially good the last decade. Yankees are always big spenders, usually win their division. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I'm not sure I believe either of those, but these four teams being the final contenders says a LOT about why the MLB sucks and the NFL is better. Buffalo Green Bay Kansas City Tampa Those all small markets. That can never and will never happen in the MLB. Kansas City is actually the largest left by city population, but I think the Tampa metro is slightly larger than KC. KC and GB also have a lot of people outside their metro areas. Yep. l know people have tried to disprove it, but you can't deny that teams that spend more money tend to be a bit more successful. Pittsburgh Pirates- cheapest team, #26 best Dodgers- usually #1-#5 in spending, perennially good the last decade. Yankees are always big spenders, usually win their division. but there's also no salary cap in baseball and the huge markets can afford to overspend b/c of their media deals. Dodgers and Yankees make BILLIONS off of tv right. How much do you think Tampa, Baltimore, Pitt and SD get from their tv rights? if anything it shows how effective a hard salary cap and how forcing teams to spend a minimum amount creates competition. |
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Posted: 1/19/2021 2:08:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Manning has 14 wins in the postseason, Rodgers (so far) has 11. Manning has four conference championship wins, Rodgers (so far) has one. Manning has two Super Bowl wins (for whatever it is worth, in this case, not as much as typical), Rodgers has one. Like I said, while I have Manning ahead of Rodgers at this moment, that could change in a matter of weeks. Quote HistoryQuoted: Manning has 14 wins in the postseason, Rodgers (so far) has 11. Manning has four conference championship wins, Rodgers (so far) has one. Manning has two Super Bowl wins (for whatever it is worth, in this case, not as much as typical), Rodgers has one. Like I said, while I have Manning ahead of Rodgers at this moment, that could change in a matter of weeks. QB Winz? How did the QBs themselves actually perform in those games? |
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Posted: 1/19/2021 2:08:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Odds to win 2022 Super Bowl: Kansas City Chiefs 7/1 Buffalo Bills 12/1 Tampa Bay Buccanneers 12/1 Green Bay Packers 15/1 Baltimore Ravens 20/1 Dallas Cowboys 20/1 New Orleans Saints 20/1 San Francisco 49ers 20/1 Seattle Seahawks 20/1 Miami Dolphins 25/1 Arizona Cardinals 30/1 Cleveland Browns 30/1 Los Angeles Chargers 30/1 Los Angeles Rams 30/1 Pittsburgh Steelers 30/1 Indianapolis Colts 40/1 Tennessee Titans 40/1 Chicago Bears 50/1 Las Vegas Raiders 50/1 Minnesota Vikings 50/1 Philadelphia Eagles 50/1 Atlanta Falcons 60/1 New England Patriots 60/1 Carolina Panthers 75/1 Denver Broncos 75/1 Jacksonville Jaguars 75/1 New York Giants 75/1 New York Jets 75/1 Washington Redskins 75/1 Cincinnati Bengals 100/1 Detroit Lions 100/1 Houston Texans 100/1 lol man this isn't a dig at you HK but i can't believe the cowboys are 6th on the list. |
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Posted: 1/19/2021 2:14:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Just saw a headline on my phone yesterday that claimed Groot was on the cusp of leading the Ravens to an historical comeback...and then he got injured. Unbelievable the lengths media will go to shore up "approved" narratives. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It sure won't. It's a double edged sword. If QBs get praise for wins regardless of the circumstances then they also get blame for the loses regardless of the circumstances. Unless of course you're Groot in which case you can shit the bed in a postseason game and it's STILL not your fault. Just saw a headline on my phone yesterday that claimed Groot was on the cusp of leading the Ravens to an historical comeback...and then he got injured. Unbelievable the lengths media will go to shore up "approved" narratives. I mean, that's TECHNICALLY not a falsifiable statement... |
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Posted: 1/19/2021 2:15:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Just saw a headline on my phone yesterday that claimed Groot was on the cusp of leading the Ravens to an historical comeback...and then he got injured. Unbelievable the lengths media will go to shore up "approved" narratives. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It sure won't. It's a double edged sword. If QBs get praise for wins regardless of the circumstances then they also get blame for the loses regardless of the circumstances. Unless of course you're Groot in which case you can shit the bed in a postseason game and it's STILL not your fault. Just saw a headline on my phone yesterday that claimed Groot was on the cusp of leading the Ravens to an historical comeback...and then he got injured. Unbelievable the lengths media will go to shore up "approved" narratives. I haven't seen anything like it before in my life. At least not for an NFL QB. I've seen franchise QBs play great in postseason games and then get crucified by the media when their team loses. Meanwhile Groot has 5 INTs, 5 fumbles, and 1 passing TD that wasn't in the 4th quarter of a blowout against a prevent defense, but it's not his fault his team is 1-3 in his 4 playoff games.  |
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Posted: 1/19/2021 2:15:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I mean, that's TECHNICALLY not a falsifiable statement... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: It sure won't. It's a double edged sword. If QBs get praise for wins regardless of the circumstances then they also get blame for the loses regardless of the circumstances. Unless of course you're Groot in which case you can shit the bed in a postseason game and it's STILL not your fault. Just saw a headline on my phone yesterday that claimed Groot was on the cusp of leading the Ravens to an historical comeback...and then he got injured. Unbelievable the lengths media will go to shore up "approved" narratives. I mean, that's TECHNICALLY not a falsifiable statement... yeah, right after throwing a 101 yard pick six and taking a hard sack in the end zone...
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Posted: 1/19/2021 2:20:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: lol man this isn't a dig at you HK but i can't believe the cowboys are 6th on the list. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Odds to win 2022 Super Bowl: Kansas City Chiefs 7/1 Buffalo Bills 12/1 Tampa Bay Buccanneers 12/1 Green Bay Packers 15/1 Baltimore Ravens 20/1 Dallas Cowboys 20/1 New Orleans Saints 20/1 San Francisco 49ers 20/1 Seattle Seahawks 20/1 Miami Dolphins 25/1 Arizona Cardinals 30/1 Cleveland Browns 30/1 Los Angeles Chargers 30/1 Los Angeles Rams 30/1 Pittsburgh Steelers 30/1 Indianapolis Colts 40/1 Tennessee Titans 40/1 Chicago Bears 50/1 Las Vegas Raiders 50/1 Minnesota Vikings 50/1 Philadelphia Eagles 50/1 Atlanta Falcons 60/1 New England Patriots 60/1 Carolina Panthers 75/1 Denver Broncos 75/1 Jacksonville Jaguars 75/1 New York Giants 75/1 New York Jets 75/1 Washington Redskins 75/1 Cincinnati Bengals 100/1 Detroit Lions 100/1 Houston Texans 100/1 lol man this isn't a dig at you HK but i can't believe the cowboys are 6th on the list. I can. America's Team always has inflated odds. Which is part of the reason I bet against them more often than I bet on them. The ones that stood out the most to me were probably the Saints being tied for 5th, both LA teams having the same odds, and the Texans having significantly worse odds than the Jaguars. |
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Posted: 1/19/2021 2:23:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I really don't see the Bucs beating the Pack in Green Bay in late January. Way too much going on in favor of the home team and Tampa's defense isn't really that good. It's mediocre-to-ok. My prediction is Packers win by 17. I want to be wrong, but suspect I won't be. You can bet the Packers to win by 14-17 points at 9/1 odds. |
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Posted: 1/19/2021 2:25:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If we learned anything from Howard Stern, it is that people tune in to watch people they hate just as much as people they love. People who hate Tom will watch hoping to see it be his end/downfall. Edit: Tom brings in the New England fans, Tampa fans, the sport history fans who want to continue seeing his legendary career, New England haters, Tom haters, Falcons/Saints/Panthers fans who want to see the Bucs get stomped, etc. And the one underlined, the haters, is probably a larger audience than Rodgers brings just on it's own. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Packers have more fans than the Bucs, but I think Brady probably has more fans than Rodgers. Also about 1/3 of the people that watch the Super Bowl are in other countries. I imagine the greatest player to ever play the sport is a bigger international draw than the MVP who won one championship a decade ago. I dunno. Have we already forgotten the hate/disgust so many fans had for NE & Brady for being so dominant? Not to mention the cheating allegations or the "favored by the refs" allegations. I also saw plenty of shade being thrown at TB12 for not meeting with/shaking hands with certain QB's this year, specifically ones that beat them. I also think Rodgers doing so much more media this year has really helped his public image. People flat out comment to McAfee's show that "Aaron Rodgers Tuesdays" has changed their opinion of him. If we learned anything from Howard Stern, it is that people tune in to watch people they hate just as much as people they love. People who hate Tom will watch hoping to see it be his end/downfall. Edit: Tom brings in the New England fans, Tampa fans, the sport history fans who want to continue seeing his legendary career, New England haters, Tom haters, Falcons/Saints/Panthers fans who want to see the Bucs get stomped, etc. And the one underlined, the haters, is probably a larger audience than Rodgers brings just on it's own. I was going to respond to Maverick's post, but that pretty much covers it. Though I probably would have used the Cowboys as the example instead of Howard Stern. |
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Posted: 1/19/2021 2:33:00 PM EDT
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Funny to see how much the racism narrative is being pushed for coaching in the NFL. No doubt there's a good ol boys club, but that's nothing new and not just the NFL. But the one possibility that nobody seems to consider is that maybe these black coaches being interviewed just aren't good enough or don't mesh or interview well. 2-14? Who cares as long as he the right skin color.
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Posted: 1/19/2021 2:37:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I was going to respond to Maverick's post, but that pretty much covers it. Though I probably would have used the Cowboys as the example instead of Howard Stern. For somebody who often argues the technicality of the words used, I find it interesting your so easily willing to allow your statement of "fans" to really mean "an audience."  Not that I know who has more fans or anything, I just didn't think it was as cut and dry as it was made to seem. David's points are solid though, and I'd 100% agree TB12 probably pulls a larger audience than AR12. |
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Posted: 1/19/2021 2:41:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Funny to see how much the racism narrative is being pushed for coaching in the NFL. No doubt there's a good ol boys club, but that's nothing new and not just the NFL. But the one possibility that nobody seems to consider is that maybe these black coaches being interviewed just aren't good enough or don't mesh or interview well. 2-14? Who cares as long as he the right skin color. Shefter talked about Bieniemy on McAfee's show yesterday. Basically said he heard good and less good things about his interviews, but alluded to teams looking for leaders and not just gurus. Kinda makes sense if you look at the recent hires. Most are known for being culture guys, not offensive/defensive wizards. |
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Posted: 1/19/2021 2:43:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Funny to see how much the racism narrative is being pushed for coaching in the NFL. No doubt there's a good ol boys club, but that's nothing new and not just the NFL. But the one possibility that nobody seems to consider is that maybe these black coaches being interviewed just aren't good enough or don't mesh or interview well. 2-14? Who cares as long as he the right skin color. At least this "equality" isn't risking lives. The most insane one to me is police and firefighters. Imagine you're a cop in a bad area knowing that instead of having a 5'10" 180+ pound guy watching your bad you have a 5'4" 130 pound woman. Or you're a firefighter knowing your life could come down to whether a woman can carry twice her body weight out of a burning building. |
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Posted: 1/19/2021 2:47:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: For somebody who often argues the technicality of the words used, I find it interesting your so easily willing to allow your statement of "fans" to really mean "an audience." Not that I know who has more fans or anything, I just didn't think it was as cut and dry as it was made to seem. David's points are solid though, and I'd 100% agree TB12 probably pulls a larger audience than AR12. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I was going to respond to Maverick's post, but that pretty much covers it. Though I probably would have used the Cowboys as the example instead of Howard Stern. For somebody who often argues the technicality of the words used, I find it interesting your so easily willing to allow your statement of "fans" to really mean "an audience." Not that I know who has more fans or anything, I just didn't think it was as cut and dry as it was made to seem. David's points are solid though, and I'd 100% agree TB12 probably pulls a larger audience than AR12. I said he "pretty much" covered it.
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Posted: 1/19/2021 2:47:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I really don't see the Bucs beating the Pack in Green Bay in late January. Way too much going on in favor of the home team and Tampa's defense isn't really that good. It's mediocre-to-ok. My prediction is Packers win by 17. I want to be wrong, but suspect I won't be. I’ll take the bucs +17. What do you want to wager? |
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Posted: 1/19/2021 2:56:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: At least this "equality" isn't risking lives. The most insane one to me is police and firefighters. Imagine you're a cop in a bad area knowing that instead of having a 5'10" 180+ pound guy watching your bad you have a 5'4" 130 pound woman. Or you're a firefighter knowing your life could come down to whether a woman can carry twice her body weight out of a burning building. I've been on that bandwagon a while. Reminds me of videos like this.  Body Cam: Female Deputy Shot Shoplifter's Mother Accidentally Greenville South Carolina |
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Posted: 1/19/2021 3:14:02 PM EDT
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Nantz and especially Romo sound like little kids on Christmas morning who got the present they had been wanting all year.
 Chiefs Call GUTSY 4th Down Play to Seal Victory vs. Browns Joe Buck is calling arguably the greatest play in Super Bowl history and he sounds like he’s reading bingo numbers at an old folk’s home.  Ny Giants - The Helmet Catch 1(Eli to David Tyree) |
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Posted: 1/19/2021 3:20:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Odds to win 2022 Super Bowl: Dallas Cowboys 20/1 WTF. I'm a homer and I can't believe those odds. Someone is smoking crack |
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Posted: 1/19/2021 3:21:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: lol man this isn't a dig at you HK but i can't believe the cowboys are 6th on the list. you're not the only one
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Posted: 1/19/2021 3:24:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I haven't seen anything like it before in my life. At least not for an NFL QB. I've seen franchise QBs play great in postseason games and then get crucified by the media when their team loses. Meanwhile Groot has 5 INTs, 5 fumbles, and 1 passing TD that wasn't in the 4th quarter of a blowout against a prevent defense, but it's not his fault his team is 1-3 in his 4 playoff games. I think they are bending over backwards to avoid being Jimmy the Greeked. Any criticism of a black athlete opens you up to charges of racism. |
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Posted: 1/19/2021 3:27:08 PM EDT
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So, I believe salary cap is tied to revenue? It sounds like the exact salary cap is not know for next year?
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Posted: 1/19/2021 3:33:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nantz and especially Romo sound like little kids on Christmas morning who got the present they had been wanting all year.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLQ5tqIf1TE Joe Buck is calling arguably the greatest play in Super Bowl history and he sounds like he’s reading bingo numbers at an old folk’s home. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxiHMIM4NWII was too excited to listen to Romo and Nantz at the time, but watching replays, that’s becoming one of my favorites ever... “There’s no play, just look at the body language.” “Oh there is a play!” “ONLY ANDY REID...!” 
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Posted: 1/19/2021 3:39:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I was too excited to listen to Romo and Nantz at the time, but watching replays, that’s becoming one of my favorites ever... “There’s no play, just look at the body language.” “Oh there is a play!” “ONLY ANDY REID...!” I got a kick out of every Browns fan screaming for targeting when they fumbled through the end zone. But only AFTER they slowed down the replay to point it out did the crying begin. Someone even had to point it out to Romo and Nance...LOL |
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Posted: 1/19/2021 3:48:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So, I believe salary cap is tied to revenue? It sounds like the exact salary cap is not know for next year? It is, but this year being an anomaly it likely won't be. They really didn't expect there to be a dip in revenue. The original talk was it would go down with revenue, but that's changed to talk of it staying where it's currently at instead. |
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Posted: 1/19/2021 3:56:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: WTF. I'm a homer and I can't believe those odds. Someone is smoking crack Remember sports book odds are based on the movement of money, not the reality of the team. |
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Posted: 1/19/2021 3:58:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I was too excited to listen to Romo and Nantz at the time, but watching replays, that’s becoming one of my favorites ever... “There’s no play, just look at the body language.” “Oh there is a play!” “ONLY ANDY REID...!” Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Nantz and especially Romo sound like little kids on Christmas morning who got the present they had been wanting all year. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLQ5tqIf1TE Joe Buck is calling arguably the greatest play in Super Bowl history and he sounds like he’s reading bingo numbers at an old folk’s home. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxiHMIM4NWII was too excited to listen to Romo and Nantz at the time, but watching replays, that’s becoming one of my favorites ever... “There’s no play, just look at the body language.” “Oh there is a play!” “ONLY ANDY REID...!” Now imagine how much the excitement of that moment would have been diminished to go from Nantz and Romo to Joe Buck calling it like a bored out of their mind McDonalds employee taking a drive thru order. "Pass to Hill. First down. No flags."  |
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Posted: 1/19/2021 3:59:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So, I believe salary cap is tied to revenue? It sounds like the exact salary cap is not know for next year? Before this season, the NFL and the NFLPA agreed to take any Covid revenue losses and distribute them across 3 years salary cap, with it not going any lower than 175 million. It was originally estimated to be 210 million before Covid. A difference of 35 million and over 20 million lower than this year's cap. Some people are still betting on TV contract money being worked out early to bring it back up. However those have been moving a little slower than originally assumed. The latest report is it is hovering around 180 million. |
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Posted: 1/19/2021 4:17:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Before this season, the NFL and the NFLPA agreed to take any Covid revenue losses and distribute them across 3 years salary cap, with it not going any lower than 175 million. It was originally estimated to be 210 million before Covid. A difference of 35 million and over 20 million lower than this year's cap. Some people are still betting on TV contract money being worked out early to bring it back up. However those have been moving a little slower than originally assumed. The latest report is it is hovering around 180 million. do we know how much revenue was lost with the empty stadiums? i know NFL went private so it's harder to get a clear picture. |
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Posted: 1/19/2021 4:27:37 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: do we know how much revenue was lost with the empty stadiums? i know NFL went private so it's harder to get a clear picture. Estimated 5.5 BILLION in lost ticket sales, concessions, stadium sponsorships, merchandise and parking. Edit: This was based on 0 fans, I know some stadiums had limited capacity which reduced the overall number, but after watching the season I am sure it is still a loss of 4+ billion. |
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Posted: 1/19/2021 5:09:09 PM EDT
[#38]
Lets do another round of Tom Brady!
He has made it to the conference championship 14 times. This season he has completed more 20+ yard passes downfield than any of the previous 13 times. Currently at 39 (2nd most for him was 32), which is the most in the NFL this season, and his attempts match the league average. At 43 years old he leads the league in 20+ yard passes. He led the league in intended air yards per target (depth of target downfield). "Like if Jeter led the league in HR in his 20th season. Or if LeBron led in threes. Unfathomable." As mentioned previously, Tom Brady led teams have defeated 7 (out of 8) league MVPs in the playoffs the year they won the award: 2018 Patrick Mahomes2016 Matt Ryan 2006 LaDainian Tomlinson 2004 Peyton Manning 2003 Peyton Manning 2003 Steve McNair 2001 Kurt Warner 2020 Aaron Rodgers??? Tom Brady led teams have defeated the #1 scoring offense 5 times (most by any player) in the playoffs. 2018 Chiefs 2016 Falcons 2006 Chargers 2004 Colts 2001 Rams 2020 Packers??? |
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Posted: 1/19/2021 5:11:30 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Lets do another round of Tom Brady! He has made it to the conference championship 14 times. This season he has completed more 20+ yard passes downfield than any of the previous 13 times. Currently at 39 (2nd most for him was 32), which is the most in the NFL this season, and his attempts match the league average. At 43 years old he leads the league in 20+ yard passes. He led the league in intended air yards per target (depth of target downfield). "Like if Jeter led the league in HR in his 20th season. Or if LeBron led in threes. Unfathomable." As mentioned previously, Tom Brady led teams have defeated 7 (out of 8) league MVPs in the playoffs the year they won the award: 2018 Patrick Mahomes2016 Matt Ryan 2006 LaDainian Tomlinson 2004 Peyton Manning 2003 Peyton Manning 2003 Steve McNair 2001 Kurt Warner 2020 Aaron Rodgers??? Tom Brady led teams have defeated the #1 scoring offense 5 times (most by any player) in the playoffs. 2018 Chiefs 2016 Falcons 2006 Chargers 2004 Colts 2001 Rams 2020 Packers??? The Bucs are not the Patriots. Should be a great game though. |
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Posted: 1/19/2021 5:13:56 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: lol man this isn't a dig at you HK but i can't believe the cowboys are 6th on the list. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Odds to win 2022 Super Bowl: Kansas City Chiefs 7/1 Buffalo Bills 12/1 Tampa Bay Buccanneers 12/1 Green Bay Packers 15/1 Baltimore Ravens 20/1 Dallas Cowboys 20/1 New Orleans Saints 20/1 San Francisco 49ers 20/1 Seattle Seahawks 20/1 Miami Dolphins 25/1 Arizona Cardinals 30/1 Cleveland Browns 30/1 Los Angeles Chargers 30/1 Los Angeles Rams 30/1 Pittsburgh Steelers 30/1 Indianapolis Colts 40/1 Tennessee Titans 40/1 Chicago Bears 50/1 Las Vegas Raiders 50/1 Minnesota Vikings 50/1 Philadelphia Eagles 50/1 Atlanta Falcons 60/1 New England Patriots 60/1 Carolina Panthers 75/1 Denver Broncos 75/1 Jacksonville Jaguars 75/1 New York Giants 75/1 New York Jets 75/1 Washington Redskins 75/1 Cincinnati Bengals 100/1 Detroit Lions 100/1 Houston Texans 100/1 lol man this isn't a dig at you HK but i can't believe the cowboys are 6th on the list. It is likely more related to unrealistic Cowboys fans willing to bet anyway. |
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Posted: 1/19/2021 5:27:18 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The Bucs are not the Patriots. Should be a great game though. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Lets do another round of Tom Brady! He has made it to the conference championship 14 times. This season he has completed more 20+ yard passes downfield than any of the previous 13 times. Currently at 39 (2nd most for him was 32), which is the most in the NFL this season, and his attempts match the league average. At 43 years old he leads the league in 20+ yard passes. He led the league in intended air yards per target (depth of target downfield). "Like if Jeter led the league in HR in his 20th season. Or if LeBron led in threes. Unfathomable." As mentioned previously, Tom Brady led teams have defeated 7 (out of 8) league MVPs in the playoffs the year they won the award: 2018 Patrick Mahomes2016 Matt Ryan 2006 LaDainian Tomlinson 2004 Peyton Manning 2003 Peyton Manning 2003 Steve McNair 2001 Kurt Warner 2020 Aaron Rodgers??? Tom Brady led teams have defeated the #1 scoring offense 5 times (most by any player) in the playoffs. 2018 Chiefs 2016 Falcons 2006 Chargers 2004 Colts 2001 Rams 2020 Packers??? The Bucs are not the Patriots. Should be a great game though. The Bucs offensive and defensive talent this season is likely better than any single Patriot team he has ever had. They are a top 5 offense and a top 10 defense. Leonard Fournette, Ronald Jones, LeSean McCoy Mike Evans, Chris Godwin, Antonio Brown Rob Gronkowski, Cameron Brate Ndamukong Suh, Jason Pierre Paul, Devin White, Shaquil Barrett, Carlton Davis Their depth chart is disgustingly laden with talent. And oh yeah, they are led by Tom Brady. A top 10 QB all season Brady. Brady, who over the last 6 games is averaging 318 ypg with 16 TDs and just 1 INT. "The Bucs are not the Patriots", well no shit. The Patriots are sitting at home, didn't even make the playoffs this year. The Bucs, on the other hand, might just be one of the most frightening wild card teams in NFL history. |
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Posted: 1/19/2021 6:06:17 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The Bucs offensive and defensive talent this season is likely better than any single Patriot team he has ever had. They are a top 5 offense and a top 10 defense. Leonard Fournette, Ronald Jones, LeSean McCoy Mike Evans, Chris Godwin, Antonio Brown Rob Gronkowski, Cameron Brate Ndamukong Suh, Jason Pierre Paul, Devin White, Shaquil Barrett, Carlton Davis Their depth chart is disgustingly laden with talent. And oh yeah, they are led by Tom Brady. A top 10 QB all season Brady. Brady, who over the last 6 games is averaging 318 ypg with 16 TDs and just 1 INT. "The Bucs are not the Patriots", well no shit. The Patriots are sitting at home, didn't even make the playoffs this year. The Bucs, on the other hand, might just be one of the most frightening wild card teams in NFL history. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Lets do another round of Tom Brady! He has made it to the conference championship 14 times. This season he has completed more 20+ yard passes downfield than any of the previous 13 times. Currently at 39 (2nd most for him was 32), which is the most in the NFL this season, and his attempts match the league average. At 43 years old he leads the league in 20+ yard passes. He led the league in intended air yards per target (depth of target downfield). "Like if Jeter led the league in HR in his 20th season. Or if LeBron led in threes. Unfathomable." As mentioned previously, Tom Brady led teams have defeated 7 (out of 8) league MVPs in the playoffs the year they won the award: 2018 Patrick Mahomes2016 Matt Ryan 2006 LaDainian Tomlinson 2004 Peyton Manning 2003 Peyton Manning 2003 Steve McNair 2001 Kurt Warner 2020 Aaron Rodgers??? Tom Brady led teams have defeated the #1 scoring offense 5 times (most by any player) in the playoffs. 2018 Chiefs 2016 Falcons 2006 Chargers 2004 Colts 2001 Rams 2020 Packers??? The Bucs are not the Patriots. Should be a great game though. The Bucs offensive and defensive talent this season is likely better than any single Patriot team he has ever had. They are a top 5 offense and a top 10 defense. Leonard Fournette, Ronald Jones, LeSean McCoy Mike Evans, Chris Godwin, Antonio Brown Rob Gronkowski, Cameron Brate Ndamukong Suh, Jason Pierre Paul, Devin White, Shaquil Barrett, Carlton Davis Their depth chart is disgustingly laden with talent. And oh yeah, they are led by Tom Brady. A top 10 QB all season Brady. Brady, who over the last 6 games is averaging 318 ypg with 16 TDs and just 1 INT. "The Bucs are not the Patriots", well no shit. The Patriots are sitting at home, didn't even make the playoffs this year. The Bucs, on the other hand, might just be one of the most frightening wild card teams in NFL history. I'm not sure about that. The Patriots fielded some monster defenses in the dynasty years, and Brady has never won it all with a defense ranked below #8. I'd have mixed feelings about facing Brady at this point. He's not as good as he once was, but he can be as good once as he ever was.
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Posted: 1/19/2021 6:10:13 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm not sure about that. The Patriots fielded some monster defenses in the dynasty years, and Brady has never won it all with a defense ranked below #8. I'd have mixed feelings about facing Brady at this point. He's not as good as he once was, but he can be as good once as he ever was. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Lets do another round of Tom Brady! He has made it to the conference championship 14 times. This season he has completed more 20+ yard passes downfield than any of the previous 13 times. Currently at 39 (2nd most for him was 32), which is the most in the NFL this season, and his attempts match the league average. At 43 years old he leads the league in 20+ yard passes. He led the league in intended air yards per target (depth of target downfield). "Like if Jeter led the league in HR in his 20th season. Or if LeBron led in threes. Unfathomable." As mentioned previously, Tom Brady led teams have defeated 7 (out of 8) league MVPs in the playoffs the year they won the award: 2018 Patrick Mahomes2016 Matt Ryan 2006 LaDainian Tomlinson 2004 Peyton Manning 2003 Peyton Manning 2003 Steve McNair 2001 Kurt Warner 2020 Aaron Rodgers??? Tom Brady led teams have defeated the #1 scoring offense 5 times (most by any player) in the playoffs. 2018 Chiefs 2016 Falcons 2006 Chargers 2004 Colts 2001 Rams 2020 Packers??? The Bucs are not the Patriots. Should be a great game though. The Bucs offensive and defensive talent this season is likely better than any single Patriot team he has ever had. They are a top 5 offense and a top 10 defense. Leonard Fournette, Ronald Jones, LeSean McCoy Mike Evans, Chris Godwin, Antonio Brown Rob Gronkowski, Cameron Brate Ndamukong Suh, Jason Pierre Paul, Devin White, Shaquil Barrett, Carlton Davis Their depth chart is disgustingly laden with talent. And oh yeah, they are led by Tom Brady. A top 10 QB all season Brady. Brady, who over the last 6 games is averaging 318 ypg with 16 TDs and just 1 INT. "The Bucs are not the Patriots", well no shit. The Patriots are sitting at home, didn't even make the playoffs this year. The Bucs, on the other hand, might just be one of the most frightening wild card teams in NFL history. I'm not sure about that. The Patriots fielded some monster defenses in the dynasty years, and Brady has never won it all with a defense ranked below #8. I'd have mixed feelings about facing Brady at this point. He's not as good as he once was, but he can be as good once as he ever was. Good thing the Bucs defense are #8.
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Posted: 1/19/2021 6:12:14 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The Bucs are not the Patriots. Should be a great game though. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Lets do another round of Tom Brady! He has made it to the conference championship 14 times. This season he has completed more 20+ yard passes downfield than any of the previous 13 times. Currently at 39 (2nd most for him was 32), which is the most in the NFL this season, and his attempts match the league average. At 43 years old he leads the league in 20+ yard passes. He led the league in intended air yards per target (depth of target downfield). "Like if Jeter led the league in HR in his 20th season. Or if LeBron led in threes. Unfathomable." As mentioned previously, Tom Brady led teams have defeated 7 (out of 8) league MVPs in the playoffs the year they won the award: 2018 Patrick Mahomes2016 Matt Ryan 2006 LaDainian Tomlinson 2004 Peyton Manning 2003 Peyton Manning 2003 Steve McNair 2001 Kurt Warner 2020 Aaron Rodgers??? Tom Brady led teams have defeated the #1 scoring offense 5 times (most by any player) in the playoffs. 2018 Chiefs 2016 Falcons 2006 Chargers 2004 Colts 2001 Rams 2020 Packers??? The Bucs are not the Patriots. Should be a great game though. Brady actually has a better supporting cast than he usually did when he was pulling off those feats with the Patriots. |
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Posted: 1/19/2021 6:15:16 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The Bucs offensive and defensive talent this season is likely better than any single Patriot team he has ever had. They are a top 5 offense and a top 10 defense. I'll give you "offensive" talent, but the Patriots have had numerous teams with better defenses than this year's Bucs. Off the top of my head, I'd put '03, '04, '07, '14, and '18 ahead of them. |
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Posted: 1/19/2021 6:21:28 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I was too excited to listen to Romo and Nantz at the time, but watching replays, that’s becoming one of my favorites ever... “There’s no play, just look at the body language.” “Oh there is a play!” “ONLY ANDY REID...!”  Attached FileBig balls Andy has lol |
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Posted: 1/19/2021 6:25:13 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'll give you "offensive" talent, but the Patriots have had numerous teams with better defenses than this year's Bucs. Off the top of my head, I'd put '03, '04, '07, '14, and '18 ahead of them. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The Bucs offensive and defensive talent this season is likely better than any single Patriot team he has ever had. They are a top 5 offense and a top 10 defense. I'll give you "offensive" talent, but the Patriots have had numerous teams with better defenses than this year's Bucs. Off the top of my head, I'd put '03, '04, '07, '14, and '18 ahead of them. I could have phrased it better, but I was insinuating top to bottom, this Bucs team all around (O and D combined) has more talent than any previous Patriot team. |
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Posted: 1/19/2021 6:37:04 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Lets do another round of Tom Brady! He has made it to the conference championship 14 times. This season he has completed more 20+ yard passes downfield than any of the previous 13 times. Currently at 39 (2nd most for him was 32), which is the most in the NFL this season, and his attempts match the league average. At 43 years old he leads the league in 20+ yard passes. He led the league in intended air yards per target (depth of target downfield). "Like if Jeter led the league in HR in his 20th season. Or if LeBron led in threes. Unfathomable." As mentioned previously, Tom Brady led teams have defeated 7 (out of 8) league MVPs in the playoffs the year they won the award: 2018 Patrick Mahomes2016 Matt Ryan 2006 LaDainian Tomlinson 2004 Peyton Manning 2003 Peyton Manning 2003 Steve McNair 2001 Kurt Warner 2020 Aaron Rodgers??? Tom Brady led teams have defeated the #1 scoring offense 5 times (most by any player) in the playoffs. 2018 Chiefs 2016 Falcons 2006 Chargers 2004 Colts 2001 Rams 2020 Packers??? Which league MVP beat him? |
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Posted: 1/19/2021 6:42:53 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Which league MVP beat him? iirc peyton with the broncos. i think bill really blew that game, too. he kept going for it on 4th and short instead of kicking flied goals that would've given the pats the lead. i know shoulda woulda coulda and all and if my aunt had a dick she'd be my uncle.... |
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Posted: 1/19/2021 7:06:48 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: iirc peyton with the broncos. i think bill really blew that game, too. he kept going for it on 4th and short instead of kicking flied goals that would've given the pats the lead. i know shoulda woulda coulda and all and if my aunt had a dick she'd be my uncle.... That sounds right. |
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