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Posted: 10/14/2021 10:59:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You don't have to be a religious zealot to believe murdering unborn children and then using them for medical tests is morally wrong. You don't have to answer the phone "Praise Jesus" or spend your extra money buying Joel Osteen a new jet. You don't have to have a plastic Jesus on your dashboard. You can be a normal everyday guy who knows it's evil. Or you can be a smug asshole who uses the internet to prop up his overinflated ego. I am really starting to love this guy! It's not just me, right? |
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Posted: 10/14/2021 11:00:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Exactly correct. The problem is that their little "gotcha" tactic is bullshit because it is a false equivalency. Acetaminophen predates the stem cells by decades and was not developed or isolated using them, unlike the vaccine development which used them for testing (or in the case of J&J, production) all along. By their "logic", any drug developed since the beginning of time can be tainted simply by testing it on stem cells at some point. It's amazing that we live in a world where companies are allowed to interrogate and threaten people based on their religious (or other) beliefs, while accommodating pretty much any other belief that happens to be en vogue You say you're a woman Dan? Well ok then , it is science after all 
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Posted: 10/14/2021 11:07:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wrong. Flat out wrong. https://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20201221_nota-vaccini-anticovid_en.html The Pope stated it is morally permissible: Note, he said it is "morally acceptable", not that they are encouraged. There is a massive difference. As a matter of fact, no where in the entire statement from the head of the Roman Catholic church did he state it was encouraged. Instead he gave guidance on why it was considered acceptable (permissible) for a Catholic to receive the vaccine. Now what he did say with the words "encourage" is: Funny note on that "conscience" part... The catholic church takes the position that one's conscience cannot be violated, and one must not be coerced into violating said conscience: https://files.milarch.org/archbishop/abp-statement-on-covid19-vaccines-and-conscience-12oct2021.pdf?fbclid=IwAR1EfGFIe-ZsPlRQfjiOX8t7ms6q7ZnLHVknr6q2ByjIP2DYEMTCz0ZAIno Furthermore: I'd suggest the next time you try speaking on behalf of the Catholic church, you do a little research first. The way you've posted here and in other threads shows you're not a Catholic either, so why bother trying to speak for them? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: The ridiculous thing is that aborted cells were not used in making acetaminophen nor is it required to. Are tests done with acetaminophen on aborted cells? Yes. So is water I'm sure. If anyone asks you that question they're a dumbass. Than you don't have a problem with the mRNA vaccines since they do not use fetal cell lines in their production? They were used in testing, nothing else. The J&J vaccine did make use of the fetal cell lines but [color=#ff0000][Catholics are allowed to use it because the connection is so remote. [/color]Catholics are encouraged to use the mRNA vaccines if they are both readily available to them. Wrong. Flat out wrong. https://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20201221_nota-vaccini-anticovid_en.html The Pope stated it is morally permissible: "it is morally acceptable to receive Covid-19 vaccines that have used cell lines from aborted fetuses in their research and production process." Note, he said it is "morally acceptable", not that they are encouraged. There is a massive difference. As a matter of fact, no where in the entire statement from the head of the Roman Catholic church did he state it was encouraged. Instead he gave guidance on why it was considered acceptable (permissible) for a Catholic to receive the vaccine. Now what he did say with the words "encourage" is: "Both pharmaceutical companies and governmental health agencies are therefore encouraged to produce, approve, distribute and offer ethically acceptable vaccines that do not create problems of conscience for either health care providers or the people to be vaccinated." Funny note on that "conscience" part... The catholic church takes the position that one's conscience cannot be violated, and one must not be coerced into violating said conscience: https://files.milarch.org/archbishop/abp-statement-on-covid19-vaccines-and-conscience-12oct2021.pdf?fbclid=IwAR1EfGFIe-ZsPlRQfjiOX8t7ms6q7ZnLHVknr6q2ByjIP2DYEMTCz0ZAIno Notwithstanding the moral permissibility of these vaccines, the Church treasures her teaching on the sanctity of conscience. "Conscience is the most secret core and sanctuary of a man. There he is alone with God, Whose voice echoes in his depths." St. Paul VI wrote: In all his activity a man is bound to follow his conscience in order that he may come to God, the end and purpose of life. It follows that he is not to be forced to act in a manner contrary to his conscience. Nor, on the other hand, is he to be restrained from acting in accordance with his conscience, especially in matters religious.5 Accordingly, no one should be forced to receive a COVID-19 vaccine if it would violate the sanctity of his or her conscience. Furthermore: The denial of religious accommodations, or punitive or adverse personnel actions taken against those who raise earnest, conscience-based objections, would be contrary to federal law and morally reprehensible. I'd suggest the next time you try speaking on behalf of the Catholic church, you do a little research first. The way you've posted here and in other threads shows you're not a Catholic either, so why bother trying to speak for them? Calm down. Maybe you should read everything I said. Notice the part in red. Catholics are “allowed” to use it [vaccines]. What is the difference between allowed and permitted? Maybe I could have been clearer that they are encouraged to use the mRNA vaccines over the J&J because the connection is more remote. Are you aware that the Vatican health service is vaccinating people? Maybe you should get off of your high horse and realize that you are not the only one who can read. |
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Posted: 10/14/2021 11:16:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Calm down. Maybe you should read everything I said. Notice the part in red. Catholics are “allowed” to use it [vaccines]. What is the difference between allowed and permitted? Maybe I could have been clearer that they are encouraged to use the mRNA vaccines over the J&J because the connection is more remote. Are you aware that the Vatican health service is vaccinating people? Maybe you should get off of your high horse and realize that you are not the only one who can read. Maybe you should stop shilling for the death jab. For some its one step above the good old Nazi phenol shot right into the heart  How much does Pfizer pay you to shill their poison? |
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Posted: 10/14/2021 11:25:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Stupid Human Tricks is the perfect phrase to describe what is going on and on so many levels. The people asking for religious exemptions are primarily people who have never raised it in the past. Stupid Human Trick #1 - Obviously and openly pretend to have an actual religious exemption. Hmmm.... Stupid Human Trick #2 - Employers now need to go through the formality of "investigating" these exemptions. Stupid Human Trick #3 - Employers also decide to ask questions just to point out to you that they know this is bullshit. Maybe scare a few into quitting or getting vaxxed. Stupid Human Trick #4 - Think there is a civil right claim for getting fired for not getting vaxxed. Private employers do not need to respect employees' civil rights except as required by law (like race or sex discrimination). Stupid Human Trick #5 - Think they are actually going to fire you for claiming a religious exemption. Unless there is an embarrassing number of the newly religious, the company will probably keep most of the new faithful. Of course, anyone who failed to cooperate with the "investigation" is a good candidate to get rid of. "Failed to provide required information to evaluate the claim." None of this applies to people in healthcare. Stupid Human Trick #6 - Turn a health care decision into a political statement. That applies to everyone from government, business, and individuals. The real question is why are those who refuse to bend a knee have a newfound religious zeal.  They are playing the game that has been set for them. OR, they have an a sincere religious based objection to having a foreign substance injected in to their bodies against their will. |
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Posted: 10/14/2021 11:28:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They gave my wife that option of weekly testing.....BUT also has to wear an N95 mask. That makes it impossible to talk on the phone which is 85% of her job. She expects to get fired next week when management gets back in. But then again, she expected to be fired last Friday too. What about Abbot's new EO? |
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Posted: 10/14/2021 11:29:05 AM EDT
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Perhaps people always had such convictions but never needed to bring them up because they weren't being forced to undergo these medical procedures until now?
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Posted: 10/14/2021 11:30:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They are playing the game that has been set for them. OR, they have an a sincere religious based objection to having a foreign substance injected in to their bodies against their will. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Stupid Human Tricks is the perfect phrase to describe what is going on and on so many levels. The people asking for religious exemptions are primarily people who have never raised it in the past. Stupid Human Trick #1 - Obviously and openly pretend to have an actual religious exemption. Hmmm.... Stupid Human Trick #2 - Employers now need to go through the formality of "investigating" these exemptions. Stupid Human Trick #3 - Employers also decide to ask questions just to point out to you that they know this is bullshit. Maybe scare a few into quitting or getting vaxxed. Stupid Human Trick #4 - Think there is a civil right claim for getting fired for not getting vaxxed. Private employers do not need to respect employees' civil rights except as required by law (like race or sex discrimination). Stupid Human Trick #5 - Think they are actually going to fire you for claiming a religious exemption. Unless there is an embarrassing number of the newly religious, the company will probably keep most of the new faithful. Of course, anyone who failed to cooperate with the "investigation" is a good candidate to get rid of. "Failed to provide required information to evaluate the claim." None of this applies to people in healthcare. Stupid Human Trick #6 - Turn a health care decision into a political statement. That applies to everyone from government, business, and individuals. The real question is why are those who refuse to bend a knee have a newfound religious zeal. They are playing the game that has been set for them. OR, they have an a sincere religious based objection to having a foreign substance injected in to their bodies against their will. Its most definitely a game, lol... A high speed game of chicken with the government and employers with our careers and livelihoods to see who blinks first. It doesn't matter at this point though, they already violated our rights so I'm just along for the ride documenting and building my case because they have no out at this point. |
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Posted: 10/14/2021 11:31:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My point isnits a week argument and thus the OP wouldn't answer the question on taking aspirin. Most OTCs are tested against fetal cell lines. It's not the same as using aborted fetal tissue and thus has been approved by many Christian leaders including the Pope. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Testing isn't part of development? Interesting. My point isnits a week argument and thus the OP wouldn't answer the question on taking aspirin. Most OTCs are tested against fetal cell lines. It's not the same as using aborted fetal tissue and thus has been approved by many Christian leaders including the Pope. No, they are not. Not in their development (including testing) or production. If there were any tests against fetal cell lines, it was done by independent researchers not affiliated with the producers. Some of these OTC drugs can be made with a kid's chemistry set. I made aspirin myself in high school chem class. No fetal cells required. |
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Posted: 10/14/2021 11:32:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Maybe you should stop shilling for the death jab. For some its one step above the good old Nazi phenol shot right into the heart How much does Pfizer pay you to shill their poison? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Calm down. Maybe you should read everything I said. Notice the part in red. Catholics are “allowed” to use it [vaccines]. What is the difference between allowed and permitted? Maybe I could have been clearer that they are encouraged to use the mRNA vaccines over the J&J because the connection is more remote. Are you aware that the Vatican health service is vaccinating people? Maybe you should get off of your high horse and realize that you are not the only one who can read. Maybe you should stop shilling for the death jab. For some its one step above the good old Nazi phenol shot right into the heart How much does Pfizer pay you to shill their poison? Maybe you should realize that people can have a difference of opinion about vaccinations. How much does the DNC (or is it China, Russia, N. Korea) pay you to discourage people from thinking for themselves? |
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Posted: 10/14/2021 11:34:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If someone objects to the vaccines because of the fetal cell line use, they should also refuse to take any OTC or prescription drugs once they learn of the same connection. Doing anything else would be showing that you do not have a sincere religious belief about the vaccine. It’s amazing how you think you can tell free men what to do. It’s amazing that you think people give a shit what you tell them to do. How did you reach that mindset in the first place? Have you considered that this is very possibly symptoms of severe mental illness (delusions of grandeur) and that you might want to seek help from a professional? |
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Posted: 10/14/2021 11:38:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Than you don’t have a problem with the mRNA vaccines since they do not use fetal cell lines in their production? They were used in testing, nothing else. The J&J vaccine did make use of the fetal cell lines but Catholics are allowed to use it because the connection is so remote. Catholics are encouraged to use the mRNA vaccines if they are both readily available to them. Shit, you are doing it AGAIN! You are asserting that YOUR religion is the one true religion and everyone else’s is invalid if they don’t listen to a KiddieFondler. Be it a Pope or a POTATUS. |
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Posted: 10/14/2021 11:42:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Maybe you should realize that people can have a difference of opinion about vaccinations. How much does the DNC (or is it China, Russia, N. Korea) pay you to discourage people from thinking for themselves? I'm gonna wager that the people that are working hard to be able to MAKE THEIR OWN DECISION rather than be forced by a government mandated economic gun placed to their head.....are the ones THINKING FOR THEMSELVES |
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Posted: 10/14/2021 11:42:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Shit, you are doing it AGAIN! You are asserting that YOUR religion is the one true religion and everyone else’s is invalid if they don’t listen to a KiddieFondler. Be is a Pope or a POTATUS. Its a troll account of the worst kind. The mods won't lock it, so our best option is just to put it on ignore. If you notice the second it jumps into these threads they are derailed. OP has great points for anyone while dealing with questions from an employer and instead this account has derailed things and we have near insults so they can try and get this locked. Just report and put them on ignore. We are at an unfortunate place where we need to stop giving these accounts a platform to spew propoganda and take away from meaningful conversations. |
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Posted: 10/14/2021 11:42:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What about Abbot's new EO? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: They gave my wife that option of weekly testing.....BUT also has to wear an N95 mask. That makes it impossible to talk on the phone which is 85% of her job. She expects to get fired next week when management gets back in. But then again, she expected to be fired last Friday too. What about Abbot's new EO? Well, it’s all so new we just really don’t know. |
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Posted: 10/14/2021 11:48:37 AM EDT
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Federal law provides that an employer does not get to define your religion. I wrote this a few days ago, if you're interested:
https://thecivilrightslawyer.com/2021/10/07/employers-do-not-get-to-define-religion-in-exemption-applications/ There's an interesting development in WV. The legislature is in special session considering legislation that requires employers to grant religious exemptions merely upon the submission by the employee of a written certification that is notarized stating they have a sincerely held religious objection to taking the covid vaccine. No discretion in the employer. The hospitals and the chamber of commerce are flipping their shit. I hope it passes. At this point, I don't GAF whether people want to lie about their religious beliefs, or even create new ones out of thin air. It also has a specific exemption for natural immunity. |
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Posted: 10/14/2021 11:50:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Its a troll account of the worst kind. The mods won't lock it, so our best option is just to put it on ignore. If you notice the second it jumps into these threads they are derailed. OP has great points for anyone while dealing with questions from an employer and instead this account has derailed things and we have near insults so they can try and get this locked. Just report and put them on ignore. We are at an unfortunate place where we need to stop giving these accounts a platform to spew propoganda and take away from meaningful conversations. Thank you for the excellent advice and perspective. I REALLY appreciate it more than you could know. I don’t know why he is allowed to troll and get folks blocked/banned with no repercussions for himself, but it do. Thanks again. |
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Posted: 10/14/2021 11:50:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Maybe you should realize that people can have a difference of opinion about vaccinations. How much does the DNC (or is it China, Russia, N. Korea) pay you to discourage people from thinking for themselves? They pay me plenty to discourage listening to statist ramblings and tired inaccurate hyperbole spouted by some to scare them into taking an experimental drug. Ill call Putin right now and ask for a raise as its clear I'm rattling some of the vax fascists' on this site and think its only fair I get more rubles in exchange for promoting freedom I think largely what I have read for the jab cultists seems to indicate that first side effect is diminished cognitive function. Its possible the next side effect may be explosive diarrhea like shitting from ones own mouth, as such I recommend you keep your mask on tight comrade to contain that erupting brown volcano your spouting off...  |
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Posted: 10/14/2021 11:51:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Calm down. Maybe you should read everything I said. Notice the part in red. Catholics are "allowed" to use it [vaccines]. What is the difference between allowed and permitted? Maybe I could have been clearer that they are encouraged to use the mRNA vaccines over the J&J because the connection is more remote. Are you aware that the Vatican health service is vaccinating people? Maybe you should get off of your high horse and realize that you are not the only one who can read. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: The ridiculous thing is that aborted cells were not used in making acetaminophen nor is it required to. Are tests done with acetaminophen on aborted cells? Yes. So is water I'm sure. If anyone asks you that question they're a dumbass. Than you don't have a problem with the mRNA vaccines since they do not use fetal cell lines in their production? They were used in testing, nothing else. The J&J vaccine did make use of the fetal cell lines but [color=#ff0000][Catholics are allowed to use it because the connection is so remote. [/color]Catholics are encouraged to use the mRNA vaccines if they are both readily available to them. Wrong. Flat out wrong. https://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20201221_nota-vaccini-anticovid_en.html The Pope stated it is morally permissible: "it is morally acceptable to receive Covid-19 vaccines that have used cell lines from aborted fetuses in their research and production process." Note, he said it is "morally acceptable", not that they are encouraged. There is a massive difference. As a matter of fact, no where in the entire statement from the head of the Roman Catholic church did he state it was encouraged. Instead he gave guidance on why it was considered acceptable (permissible) for a Catholic to receive the vaccine. Now what he did say with the words "encourage" is: "Both pharmaceutical companies and governmental health agencies are therefore encouraged to produce, approve, distribute and offer ethically acceptable vaccines that do not create problems of conscience for either health care providers or the people to be vaccinated." Funny note on that "conscience" part... The catholic church takes the position that one's conscience cannot be violated, and one must not be coerced into violating said conscience: https://files.milarch.org/archbishop/abp-statement-on-covid19-vaccines-and-conscience-12oct2021.pdf?fbclid=IwAR1EfGFIe-ZsPlRQfjiOX8t7ms6q7ZnLHVknr6q2ByjIP2DYEMTCz0ZAIno Notwithstanding the moral permissibility of these vaccines, the Church treasures her teaching on the sanctity of conscience. "Conscience is the most secret core and sanctuary of a man. There he is alone with God, Whose voice echoes in his depths." St. Paul VI wrote: In all his activity a man is bound to follow his conscience in order that he may come to God, the end and purpose of life. It follows that he is not to be forced to act in a manner contrary to his conscience. Nor, on the other hand, is he to be restrained from acting in accordance with his conscience, especially in matters religious.5 Accordingly, no one should be forced to receive a COVID-19 vaccine if it would violate the sanctity of his or her conscience. Furthermore: The denial of religious accommodations, or punitive or adverse personnel actions taken against those who raise earnest, conscience-based objections, would be contrary to federal law and morally reprehensible. I'd suggest the next time you try speaking on behalf of the Catholic church, you do a little research first. The way you've posted here and in other threads shows you're not a Catholic either, so why bother trying to speak for them? Calm down. Maybe you should read everything I said. Notice the part in red. Catholics are "allowed" to use it [vaccines]. What is the difference between allowed and permitted? Maybe I could have been clearer that they are encouraged to use the mRNA vaccines over the J&J because the connection is more remote. Are you aware that the Vatican health service is vaccinating people? Maybe you should get off of your high horse and realize that you are not the only one who can read. Why, exactly are you here if you know the majority are against it? Why do you continue to troll and stir up these threads? |
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Posted: 10/14/2021 11:53:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Its a troll account of the worst kind. The mods won't lock it, so our best option is just to put it on ignore. If you notice the second it jumps into these threads they are derailed. OP has great points for anyone while dealing with questions from an employer and instead this account has derailed things and we have near insults so they can try and get this locked. Just report and put them on ignore. We are at an unfortunate place where we need to stop giving these accounts a platform to spew propoganda and take away from meaningful conversations. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Shit, you are doing it AGAIN! You are asserting that YOUR religion is the one true religion and everyone else's is invalid if they don't listen to a KiddieFondler. Be is a Pope or a POTATUS. Its a troll account of the worst kind. The mods won't lock it, so our best option is just to put it on ignore. If you notice the second it jumps into these threads they are derailed. OP has great points for anyone while dealing with questions from an employer and instead this account has derailed things and we have near insults so they can try and get this locked. Just report and put them on ignore. We are at an unfortunate place where we need to stop giving these accounts a platform to spew propoganda and take away from meaningful conversations. It's an absolute shame mods won't... mod. Worst yet site staff / owners are completely in on this bullshit as well. |
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Posted: 10/14/2021 11:55:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Shit, you are doing it AGAIN! You are asserting that YOUR religion is the one true religion and everyone else’s is invalid if they don’t listen to a KiddieFondler. Be it a Pope or a POTATUS. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Than you don’t have a problem with the mRNA vaccines since they do not use fetal cell lines in their production? They were used in testing, nothing else. The J&J vaccine did make use of the fetal cell lines but Catholics are allowed to use it because the connection is so remote. Catholics are encouraged to use the mRNA vaccines if they are both readily available to them. Shit, you are doing it AGAIN! You are asserting that YOUR religion is the one true religion and everyone else’s is invalid if they don’t listen to a KiddieFondler. Be it a Pope or a POTATUS. His religion is Covid |
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Posted: 10/14/2021 12:08:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: His religion is Covid Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Than you don’t have a problem with the mRNA vaccines since they do not use fetal cell lines in their production? They were used in testing, nothing else. The J&J vaccine did make use of the fetal cell lines but Catholics are allowed to use it because the connection is so remote. Catholics are encouraged to use the mRNA vaccines if they are both readily available to them. Shit, you are doing it AGAIN! You are asserting that YOUR religion is the one true religion and everyone else’s is invalid if they don’t listen to a KiddieFondler. Be it a Pope or a POTATUS. His religion is Covid You know, I was looking at some of the indigenous people's day bullshit from Monday on social media. One post had to do with some sacred rock the Cherokee worships or something. And it dawned on me, if a Cherokee can worship a damned rock, I have lots of new lawsuit ideas..... |
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Posted: 10/14/2021 12:14:24 PM EDT
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If the government is successful in this tactic, this tactic will be used more and more and more. By the time it gets to something the Dems don't want to do, it will be too late. Court cases, court rulings precedent and years of history will be against them -- against all of us.
Honestly, an individual should be able to say "No" and not be persecuted over it. This is not the Spanish Flu, the Bubonic plague or anything of the like to mostly healthy people. It's not good, but neither is Flu A/Flu B that has killed millions, and I can opt not to take a "flu shot". |
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Posted: 10/14/2021 12:18:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The Covid vaccine does not “require” the aborted cells either. It’s not like they are an active ingredient. One of the manufacturers could produce the exact same vaccine and just simply not test it on aborted cells. That would kill this exemption altogether. But for now, it seems accepted, and that is what is actually important. Like whatever man. That is your opinion. A bullshit injection regardless of what it is can still be objected to for religious reasons. The Pope seems to have driven plenty of people away from being a part of that particular organized religion. They still have faith but for whatever reason they are disgusted with their leadership. Can only wonder if the political pandering of the Pope has made people's faith evolve. That does not suddenly render it invalid. Having .gov say " why you no take the jab, the Pope says it's got electrolytes. Your faith is all fucked up and you talk like a fag so your faith cannot be sincere, come on take the .jab" Yeah piss off. |
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Posted: 10/14/2021 12:18:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No, they are not. Not in their development (including testing) or production. If there were any tests against fetal cell lines, it was done by independent researchers not affiliated with the producers. Some of these OTC drugs can be made with a kid's chemistry set. I made aspirin myself in high school chem class. No fetal cells required. Doesn't that weaken the argument for religious exemption based OPs aborted tissue theory? |
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Posted: 10/14/2021 12:42:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Doesn't that weaken the argument for religious exemption based OPs aborted tissue theory? |
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Posted: 10/14/2021 12:42:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Valid point. I've added him to my ignore. It's an absolute shame mods won't... mod. Worst yet site staff / owners are completely in on this bullshit as well. Brownell can't be having a website promoting resisting the vax wen they get around to requiring the vax for their employees now can they? Not that that would happen. Just saying. |
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Posted: 10/14/2021 12:47:27 PM EDT
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Huh, the whole, if you believe it it’s true concept has been rammed down our throats by these very same office of diversity people.
Man believes he is a woman……science you bigot Man believes believes He likes man ass moar than pussy……science you bigot. Oh, and you better be sucking dick too or you are a bigot about to be canceled by office of diversity. Office of diversity believes all white people are racists…..automatically believed and we are all taking training on how racist Whites are A guy believes his religious beliefs preclude him from being forced to take a questionable medical procedure…….we better investigate that guy so the office of diversity can determine how sincere these beliefs really are. I can only assume the next man that thinks he is a woman will have to call me before he takes his pants down to get his dick out in the same room my daughter is in so I can determine how sincere he is in his beliefs. |
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Posted: 10/14/2021 12:55:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think the OP handled it as well as can be expected - by following his attorney's advice. As for the using fetal cells in modern formulations of the drug, which is quite wrong, you've offered nothing other than your opinion as evidence. I've called you on it and now you're trying to change the subject. The drugs on that list were not developed, tested, or manufactured using fetal cell tissue. Period, full stop. If you can't understand that, then perhaps you should simply refrain from spouting falsehoods. Quote HistoryQuoted: I think the OP handled it as well as can be expected - by following his attorney's advice. As for the using fetal cells in modern formulations of the drug, which is quite wrong, you've offered nothing other than your opinion as evidence. I've called you on it and now you're trying to change the subject. The drugs on that list were not developed, tested, or manufactured using fetal cell tissue. Period, full stop. If you can't understand that, then perhaps you should simply refrain from spouting falsehoods. I thought this was interesting: https://www.crisismagazine.com/2021/stop-pretending-the-covid-jab-is-morally-equivalent-to-other-meds In one article that pushed this "logic," Fr. Matthew Schneider, LC included a list of medications with a few linked studies next to each, endeavoring to show that the medications' connections with Johanna were equivalent to those of the COVID injections. This doesn't pan out either. I spot-checked three different medications' linked studies, reading the full articles (not just the abstract). None of these studies constituted evidence that the original development or testing of these medications used Johanna's cells. In each case, the studies were conducted by academic researchers looking for further information on the mechanisms of action or the cellular targets of action for existing drugs, a common research goal that is often part of the development of new drugs or new uses for existing drugs. For instance the 2015 study referenced for Albuterol (which was invented in 1972) sought to determine how the positively charged ions of the medication react with negatively charged transporters in the smooth muscle of the lungs to determine whether the cations assist them in reaching their target receptors. |
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Posted: 10/14/2021 1:24:54 PM EDT
[#30]
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I thought this was interesting: https://www.crisismagazine.com/2021/stop-pretending-the-covid-jab-is-morally-equivalent-to-other-meds They're like the Wall Street version of the Jesuits. |
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Posted: 10/14/2021 1:32:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That is true. I did not know that so many common OTC drugs were tested using fetal cell lines. I was raised a Catholic and based on what the Pope said, I don’t have a problem using them. I was vaccinated with the Pfizer vaccine but didn’t have an objection to any vaccine based on using fetal cell lines for testing. I don’t see a direct connection between abortion and the drugs. It would be different if someone was murdered to produce the vaccines or drugs. I plan on taking aspirin and any other OTC or prescription drugs as required. If someone objects to the vaccines because of the fetal cell line use, they should also refuse to take any OTC or prescription drugs once they learn of the same connection. Doing anything else would be showing that you do not have a sincere religious belief about the vaccine. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Does anyone understand what the question about acetaminophen had to do with religious exemption? Yes, acetaminophen, albuterol, aspirin, ibuprofen, Tylenol, Pepto Bismol, Tums, Lipitor, Senokot, Motrin, Maalox, Ex-Lax, Benadryl, Sudafed, Preparation H, Claritin, Prilosec, and Zoloft were all developed using the fetal cell lines. So anyone who takes them but not the Covid vaxx and cites the fetal cell lines is lying. It’s kind of a “gotcha”. Op was smart to answer the way he did. Not necessarily as they may be unaware. That is true. I did not know that so many common OTC drugs were tested using fetal cell lines. I was raised a Catholic and based on what the Pope said, I don’t have a problem using them. I was vaccinated with the Pfizer vaccine but didn’t have an objection to any vaccine based on using fetal cell lines for testing. I don’t see a direct connection between abortion and the drugs. It would be different if someone was murdered to produce the vaccines or drugs. I plan on taking aspirin and any other OTC or prescription drugs as required. If someone objects to the vaccines because of the fetal cell line use, they should also refuse to take any OTC or prescription drugs once they learn of the same connection. Doing anything else would be showing that you do not have a sincere religious belief about the vaccine. Someone WAS murdered for those cells. Typical lib idea to not believe that. |
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Posted: 10/14/2021 1:37:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Huh, the whole, if you believe it it’s true concept has been rammed down our throats by these very same office of diversity people. Man believes he is a woman……science you bigot Man believes believes He likes man ass moar than pussy……science you bigot. Oh, and you better be sucking dick too or you are a bigot about to be canceled by office of diversity. Office of diversity believes all white people are racists…..automatically believed and we are all taking training on how racist Whites are A guy believes his religious beliefs preclude him from being forced to take a questionable medical procedure…….we better investigate that guy so the office of diversity can determine how sincere these beliefs really are. I can only assume the next man that thinks he is a woman will have to call me before he takes his pants down to get his dick out in the same room my daughter is in so I can determine how sincere he is in his beliefs. I have dated mormon, jewish, sikh, christian. Am I faith fluid if I accept portions of each faith? If not then why not. Why is my diversity not being honored or celebrated. Had I become an alphabet person and tried to hump anything and everything the cancel culture party would be out in force if my job were threatened. We are being told/sold that "lady dick" is real and we must accept it. Ironic the same people selling that pack of crap went from not wanting to take Trumps vax to wanting to force it. Even if the vax is safe, using it as a means to clean the employment ranks of a group of undesirables(that are no more contageious than the vaxxed) is evil. Due to employment, I could have been one of first to get the vax while Trump was still in office. My 70 year old father was asking if he could take my place if I didnt want it. I did not want it then and I take ever increasing sincere objections to myself, or anyone, being forced to have it now. In opposition to increasing coercion, I am being consistent. |
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Posted: 10/14/2021 1:46:25 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Huh, the whole, if you believe it it’s true concept has been rammed down our throats by these very same office of diversity people. Man believes he is a woman……science you bigot Man believes believes He likes man ass moar than pussy……science you bigot. Oh, and you better be sucking dick too or you are a bigot about to be canceled by office of diversity. Office of diversity believes all white people are racists…..automatically believed and we are all taking training on how racist Whites are A guy believes his religious beliefs preclude him from being forced to take a questionable medical procedure…….we better investigate that guy so the office of diversity can determine how sincere these beliefs really are. I can only assume the next man that thinks he is a woman will have to call me before he takes his pants down to get his dick out in the same room my daughter is in so I can determine how sincere he is in his beliefs. It is truly bizarre and baffling to me. I have literally tried to game these scenarios to end state in my head to keep one step ahead. I cannot for the life of me understand why the government has completely steamrolled laws that have been validated numerous times via court cases, states rights, employees civil rights, workers rights, and now the mega corps piling on in FULL violation of their own VERY risk averse liberal policies. I cant wrap my head around why a corporation would so flagrantly set themselves up for very harsh and expensive retributions. |
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Posted: 10/14/2021 1:51:09 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It is truly bizarre and baffling to me. I have literally tried to game these scenarios to end state in my head to keep one step ahead. I cannot for the life of me understand why the government has completely steamrolled laws that have been validated numerous times via court cases, states rights, employees civil rights, workers rights, and now the mega corps piling on in FULL violation of their own VERY risk averse liberal policies. I cant wrap my head around why a corporation would so flagrantly set themselves up for very harsh and expensive retributions. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Huh, the whole, if you believe it it’s true concept has been rammed down our throats by these very same office of diversity people. Man believes he is a woman……science you bigot Man believes believes He likes man ass moar than pussy……science you bigot. Oh, and you better be sucking dick too or you are a bigot about to be canceled by office of diversity. Office of diversity believes all white people are racists…..automatically believed and we are all taking training on how racist Whites are A guy believes his religious beliefs preclude him from being forced to take a questionable medical procedure…….we better investigate that guy so the office of diversity can determine how sincere these beliefs really are. I can only assume the next man that thinks he is a woman will have to call me before he takes his pants down to get his dick out in the same room my daughter is in so I can determine how sincere he is in his beliefs. It is truly bizarre and baffling to me. I have literally tried to game these scenarios to end state in my head to keep one step ahead. I cannot for the life of me understand why the government has completely steamrolled laws that have been validated numerous times via court cases, states rights, employees civil rights, workers rights, and now the mega corps piling on in FULL violation of their own VERY risk averse liberal policies. I cant wrap my head around why a corporation would so flagrantly set themselves up for very harsh and expensive retributions. Because the courts will side in their favor. |
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Posted: 10/14/2021 2:12:38 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It is truly bizarre and baffling to me. I have literally tried to game these scenarios to end state in my head to keep one step ahead. I cannot for the life of me understand why the government has completely steamrolled laws that have been validated numerous times via court cases, states rights, employees civil rights, workers rights, and now the mega corps piling on in FULL violation of their own VERY risk averse liberal policies. I cant wrap my head around why a corporation would so flagrantly set themselves up for very harsh and expensive retributions. At this point, It’s pretty obvious that the government is successfully colluding with big corporations, big tech enterprises etc. to implement the lefts agenda. They are using The big corps as a workaround to the constitution. Can’t push it from gov? Big Corp and big tech to the rescue. They don’t have to worry about the courts, clearly. The beauty of it is, the very same people they are going after through big Corp and big tech, will also defend it as “their business their rules” or “go start your own big tech big Corp” Same reason diversity is our strength and diversity officers ram it down our throats that “you can bring your whole self to work” and how important it is to have diverse colors and backgrounds in the company. That is until I take a required “diversity” survey that then tells me what I need to do to change my beliefs and thoughts to fit their definition of diversity. The diversity I bring to the table doesn’t count. Why isn’t my background and thoughts valued? Because it’s not about diversity or keeping people safe. It’s a workaround for control to eliminate traditional Americans. You better start believing in cattle cars, because you're already in the modern day cattle car. |
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Posted: 10/14/2021 2:14:09 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Wrong. Flat out wrong. https://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20201221_nota-vaccini-anticovid_en.html The Pope stated it is morally permissible: Note, he said it is "morally acceptable", not that they are encouraged. There is a massive difference. As a matter of fact, no where in the entire statement from the head of the Roman Catholic church did he state it was encouraged. Instead he gave guidance on why it was considered acceptable (permissible) for a Catholic to receive the vaccine. Now what he did say with the words "encourage" is: Funny note on that "conscience" part... The catholic church takes the position that one's conscience cannot be violated, and one must not be coerced into violating said conscience: https://files.milarch.org/archbishop/abp-statement-on-covid19-vaccines-and-conscience-12oct2021.pdf?fbclid=IwAR1EfGFIe-ZsPlRQfjiOX8t7ms6q7ZnLHVknr6q2ByjIP2DYEMTCz0ZAIno Furthermore: I'd suggest the next time you try speaking on behalf of the Catholic church, you do a little research first. The way you've posted here and in other threads shows you're not a Catholic either, so why bother trying to speak for them? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: The ridiculous thing is that aborted cells were not used in making acetaminophen nor is it required to. Are tests done with acetaminophen on aborted cells? Yes. So is water I'm sure. If anyone asks you that question they're a dumbass. Than you don't have a problem with the mRNA vaccines since they do not use fetal cell lines in their production? They were used in testing, nothing else. The J&J vaccine did make use of the fetal cell lines but Catholics are allowed to use it because the connection is so remote. Catholics are encouraged to use the mRNA vaccines if they are both readily available to them. Wrong. Flat out wrong. https://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20201221_nota-vaccini-anticovid_en.html The Pope stated it is morally permissible: "it is morally acceptable to receive Covid-19 vaccines that have used cell lines from aborted fetuses in their research and production process." Note, he said it is "morally acceptable", not that they are encouraged. There is a massive difference. As a matter of fact, no where in the entire statement from the head of the Roman Catholic church did he state it was encouraged. Instead he gave guidance on why it was considered acceptable (permissible) for a Catholic to receive the vaccine. Now what he did say with the words "encourage" is: "Both pharmaceutical companies and governmental health agencies are therefore encouraged to produce, approve, distribute and offer ethically acceptable vaccines that do not create problems of conscience for either health care providers or the people to be vaccinated." Funny note on that "conscience" part... The catholic church takes the position that one's conscience cannot be violated, and one must not be coerced into violating said conscience: https://files.milarch.org/archbishop/abp-statement-on-covid19-vaccines-and-conscience-12oct2021.pdf?fbclid=IwAR1EfGFIe-ZsPlRQfjiOX8t7ms6q7ZnLHVknr6q2ByjIP2DYEMTCz0ZAIno Notwithstanding the moral permissibility of these vaccines, the Church treasures her teaching on the sanctity of conscience. "Conscience is the most secret core and sanctuary of a man. There he is alone with God, Whose voice echoes in his depths." St. Paul VI wrote: In all his activity a man is bound to follow his conscience in order that he may come to God, the end and purpose of life. It follows that he is not to be forced to act in a manner contrary to his conscience. Nor, on the other hand, is he to be restrained from acting in accordance with his conscience, especially in matters religious.5 Accordingly, no one should be forced to receive a COVID-19 vaccine if it would violate the sanctity of his or her conscience. Furthermore: The denial of religious accommodations, or punitive or adverse personnel actions taken against those who raise earnest, conscience-based objections, would be contrary to federal law and morally reprehensible. I'd suggest the next time you try speaking on behalf of the Catholic church, you do a little research first. The way you've posted here and in other threads shows you're not a Catholic either, so why bother trying to speak for them? Huge thumbs up! Bravo! |
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Posted: 10/14/2021 2:14:38 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Well, it’s all so new we just really don’t know. Hopefully it holds as much water in TX as FJB EO does |
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Posted: 10/14/2021 2:17:15 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The only one on their high horse is you, paraphrasing and using things to your own attempt to push something on others. Why, exactly are you here if you know the majority are against it? Why do you continue to troll and stir up these threads? Because the mods won't can his ass. |
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Posted: 10/14/2021 2:26:32 PM EDT
[#39]
Just out of curiosity, if you claim to be a muslim would it make any difference? A gay muslim transgender?
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Posted: 10/14/2021 2:26:33 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Federal law provides that an employer does not get to define your religion. I wrote this a few days ago, if you're interested: https://thecivilrightslawyer.com/2021/10/07/employers-do-not-get-to-define-religion-in-exemption-applications/ There's an interesting development in WV. The legislature is in special session considering legislation that requires employers to grant religious exemptions merely upon the submission by the employee of a written certification that is notarized stating they have a sincerely held religious objection to taking the covid vaccine. No discretion in the employer. The hospitals and the chamber of commerce are flipping their shit. I hope it passes. At this point, I don't GAF whether people want to lie about their religious beliefs, or even create new ones out of thin air. It also has a specific exemption for natural immunity. Vive la West Virginia! |
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Posted: 10/14/2021 2:29:10 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: At this point, It’s pretty obvious that the government is successfully colluding with big corporations, big tech enterprises etc. to implement the lefts agenda. They are using The big corps as a workaround to the constitution. Can’t push it from gov? Big Corp and big tech to the rescue. They don’t have to worry about the courts, clearly. The beauty of it is, the very same people they are going after through big Corp and big tech, will also defend it as “their business their rules” or “go start your own big tech big Corp” Same reason diversity is our strength and diversity officers ram it down our throats that “you can bring your whole self to work” and how important it is to have diverse colors and backgrounds in the company. That is until I take a required “diversity” survey that then tells me what I need to do to change my beliefs and thoughts to fit their definition of diversity. The diversity I bring to the table doesn’t count. Why isn’t my background and thoughts valued? Because it’s not about diversity or keeping people safe. It’s a workaround for control to eliminate traditional Americans. You better start believing in cattle cars, because you're already in the modern day cattle car. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It is truly bizarre and baffling to me. I have literally tried to game these scenarios to end state in my head to keep one step ahead. I cannot for the life of me understand why the government has completely steamrolled laws that have been validated numerous times via court cases, states rights, employees civil rights, workers rights, and now the mega corps piling on in FULL violation of their own VERY risk averse liberal policies. I cant wrap my head around why a corporation would so flagrantly set themselves up for very harsh and expensive retributions. At this point, It’s pretty obvious that the government is successfully colluding with big corporations, big tech enterprises etc. to implement the lefts agenda. They are using The big corps as a workaround to the constitution. Can’t push it from gov? Big Corp and big tech to the rescue. They don’t have to worry about the courts, clearly. The beauty of it is, the very same people they are going after through big Corp and big tech, will also defend it as “their business their rules” or “go start your own big tech big Corp” Same reason diversity is our strength and diversity officers ram it down our throats that “you can bring your whole self to work” and how important it is to have diverse colors and backgrounds in the company. That is until I take a required “diversity” survey that then tells me what I need to do to change my beliefs and thoughts to fit their definition of diversity. The diversity I bring to the table doesn’t count. Why isn’t my background and thoughts valued? Because it’s not about diversity or keeping people safe. It’s a workaround for control to eliminate traditional Americans. You better start believing in cattle cars, because you're already in the modern day cattle car. Oh im definitely aware of where we are in this game for sure. What I cant wrap my head around like the poster said above you. EVERY court case getting blown out in favor of the gov/corp? What is the statistical probability of that (total number of individuals/class action/states involved). CRAZY shit! lol |
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Posted: 10/14/2021 2:46:54 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Any source for this? I understand how some drugs were developed using fetal cell lines, but hasn’t aspirin been around for like 100 years? That was an oooooold fetal cell line for aspirin.  The fucking bullshit being spouted to force people to take the bullshit shot is incredible.
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Posted: 10/14/2021 2:50:42 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It is truly bizarre and baffling to me. I have literally tried to game these scenarios to end state in my head to keep one step ahead. I cannot for the life of me understand why the government has completely steamrolled laws that have been validated numerous times via court cases, states rights, employees civil rights, workers rights, and now the mega corps piling on in FULL violation of their own VERY risk averse liberal policies. I cant wrap my head around why a corporation would so flagrantly set themselves up for very harsh and expensive retributions. If you believe the official statistics, 66% of Americans have had at least one dose. So 2/3. So if you are a risk officer in a corporation, do you risk pissing off 2/3 of employees and customers? Or 1/3 of employees and customers. Does your decision change when you know you have the government’s full backing to piss off the 1/3? It just becomes a numbers game to these folks. |
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Posted: 10/14/2021 2:50:48 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Someone WAS murdered for those cells. Typical lib idea to not believe that. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Does anyone understand what the question about acetaminophen had to do with religious exemption? Yes, acetaminophen, albuterol, aspirin, ibuprofen, Tylenol, Pepto Bismol, Tums, Lipitor, Senokot, Motrin, Maalox, Ex-Lax, Benadryl, Sudafed, Preparation H, Claritin, Prilosec, and Zoloft were all developed using the fetal cell lines. So anyone who takes them but not the Covid vaxx and cites the fetal cell lines is lying. It’s kind of a “gotcha”. Op was smart to answer the way he did. Not necessarily as they may be unaware. That is true. I did not know that so many common OTC drugs were tested using fetal cell lines. I was raised a Catholic and based on what the Pope said, I don’t have a problem using them. I was vaccinated with the Pfizer vaccine but didn’t have an objection to any vaccine based on using fetal cell lines for testing. I don’t see a direct connection between abortion and the drugs. It would be different if someone was murdered to produce the vaccines or drugs. I plan on taking aspirin and any other OTC or prescription drugs as required. If someone objects to the vaccines because of the fetal cell line use, they should also refuse to take any OTC or prescription drugs once they learn of the same connection. Doing anything else would be showing that you do not have a sincere religious belief about the vaccine. Someone WAS murdered for those cells. Typical lib idea to not believe that. The cell lines are over 50 years old. Explain how someone testing a vaccine 50 years later murdered anyone. |
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Posted: 10/14/2021 2:56:04 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If you believe the official statistics, 66% of Americans have had at least one dose. So 2/3. So if you are a risk officer in a corporation, do you risk pissing off 2/3 of employees and customers? Or 1/3 of employees and customers. Does your decision change when you know you have the government’s full backing to piss off the 1/3? It just becomes a numbers game to these folks. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It is truly bizarre and baffling to me. I have literally tried to game these scenarios to end state in my head to keep one step ahead. I cannot for the life of me understand why the government has completely steamrolled laws that have been validated numerous times via court cases, states rights, employees civil rights, workers rights, and now the mega corps piling on in FULL violation of their own VERY risk averse liberal policies. I cant wrap my head around why a corporation would so flagrantly set themselves up for very harsh and expensive retributions. If you believe the official statistics, 66% of Americans have had at least one dose. So 2/3. So if you are a risk officer in a corporation, do you risk pissing off 2/3 of employees and customers? Or 1/3 of employees and customers. Does your decision change when you know you have the government’s full backing to piss off the 1/3? It just becomes a numbers game to these folks. Agree. To what cost though? How much can these companies afford to lose in litigation and potential payouts for 1/3 of an entire workforce over civil and other rights violations? That has to be astronomical. Like I said, its a high speed game of chicken for sure! |
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Posted: 10/14/2021 2:58:17 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The cell lines are over 50 years old. Explain how someone testing a vaccine 50 years later murdered anyone. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Does anyone understand what the question about acetaminophen had to do with religious exemption? Yes, acetaminophen, albuterol, aspirin, ibuprofen, Tylenol, Pepto Bismol, Tums, Lipitor, Senokot, Motrin, Maalox, Ex-Lax, Benadryl, Sudafed, Preparation H, Claritin, Prilosec, and Zoloft were all developed using the fetal cell lines. So anyone who takes them but not the Covid vaxx and cites the fetal cell lines is lying. It’s kind of a “gotcha”. Op was smart to answer the way he did. Not necessarily as they may be unaware. That is true. I did not know that so many common OTC drugs were tested using fetal cell lines. I was raised a Catholic and based on what the Pope said, I don’t have a problem using them. I was vaccinated with the Pfizer vaccine but didn’t have an objection to any vaccine based on using fetal cell lines for testing. I don’t see a direct connection between abortion and the drugs. It would be different if someone was murdered to produce the vaccines or drugs. I plan on taking aspirin and any other OTC or prescription drugs as required. If someone objects to the vaccines because of the fetal cell line use, they should also refuse to take any OTC or prescription drugs once they learn of the same connection. Doing anything else would be showing that you do not have a sincere religious belief about the vaccine. Someone WAS murdered for those cells. Typical lib idea to not believe that. The cell lines are over 50 years old. Explain how someone testing a vaccine 50 years later murdered anyone. Explain how he implied that testing these shots murdered anyone? The fetus was killed x years prior. The resulting cell line was used in the testing. Getting the shot is considered endorsement of the means by which it was produced. The testing was part of those means and the cell line, which only exists as the result of an abortion, was part of the test. Whether they sliced up a new baby specifically for this or used a cell line from an old one is irrelevant. Directly or indirectly, abortion was used to further development. That's it. That's all. There is no getting around it. But you know this. I'm about to pay for a membership just so I can greybar you. |
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Posted: 10/14/2021 3:04:18 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Agree. To what cost though? How much can these companies afford to lose in litigation and potential payouts for 1/3 of an entire workforce over civil and other rights violations? That has to be astronomical. Like I said, its a high speed game of chicken for sure! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: It is truly bizarre and baffling to me. I have literally tried to game these scenarios to end state in my head to keep one step ahead. I cannot for the life of me understand why the government has completely steamrolled laws that have been validated numerous times via court cases, states rights, employees civil rights, workers rights, and now the mega corps piling on in FULL violation of their own VERY risk averse liberal policies. I cant wrap my head around why a corporation would so flagrantly set themselves up for very harsh and expensive retributions. If you believe the official statistics, 66% of Americans have had at least one dose. So 2/3. So if you are a risk officer in a corporation, do you risk pissing off 2/3 of employees and customers? Or 1/3 of employees and customers. Does your decision change when you know you have the government’s full backing to piss off the 1/3? It just becomes a numbers game to these folks. Agree. To what cost though? How much can these companies afford to lose in litigation and potential payouts for 1/3 of an entire workforce over civil and other rights violations? That has to be astronomical. Like I said, its a high speed game of chicken for sure! Yes, it is a game of chicken. You are damned if you do and damned if you don’t. Because people are also preparing to sue companies that don’t mandate the vaxx claiming unsafe work environments. There is no way to win for companies as they will get sued no matter what they do. It sucks in every way. |
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Posted: 10/14/2021 3:04:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 100% we are not asking for exemption. We are asserting our rights for exemption. Anything beyond that is retaliation or discrimination. Not to mention now these companies are placing testing mandates on those who have the exemptions but all those vaxed do not have to mask or test, which its now proven they can get and spread covid. Therefore they are actively discriminating AND creating a hostile and unsafe work place. They truly are fucked no matter what they do except for stand down. When the boosters are found to actually make people transmit the virus, I wonder if it will be covered up/blamed on the unvaxxed. |
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Posted: 10/14/2021 3:08:15 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Wrong. Flat out wrong. https://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20201221_nota-vaccini-anticovid_en.html The Pope stated it is morally permissible: Note, he said it is "morally acceptable", not that they are encouraged. There is a massive difference. As a matter of fact, no where in the entire statement from the head of the Roman Catholic church did he state it was encouraged. Instead he gave guidance on why it was considered acceptable (permissible) for a Catholic to receive the vaccine. Now what he did say with the words "encourage" is: Funny note on that "conscience" part... The catholic church takes the position that one's conscience cannot be violated, and one must not be coerced into violating said conscience: https://files.milarch.org/archbishop/abp-statement-on-covid19-vaccines-and-conscience-12oct2021.pdf?fbclid=IwAR1EfGFIe-ZsPlRQfjiOX8t7ms6q7ZnLHVknr6q2ByjIP2DYEMTCz0ZAIno Furthermore: I'd suggest the next time you try speaking on behalf of the Catholic church, you do a little research first. The way you've posted here and in other threads shows you're not a Catholic either, so why bother trying to speak for them? Have you seen him post anything remotely accurate? |
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Posted: 10/14/2021 3:10:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The cell lines are over 50 years old. Explain how someone testing a vaccine 50 years later murdered anyone. Deviating briefly from the subject (I’m sure you don’t mind as you are famous for it): Do you mind explaining herd immunity and how it pertains to Covid 19? In your opinion, when do you think it will be achieved? @Bat15 |
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