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Posted: 4/27/2011 4:13:58 PM EDT
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Maybe they "fixed it"?
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Posted: 4/27/2011 4:14:48 PM EDT
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http://youtu.be/SAZAbqgpoGQ
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Posted: 4/27/2011 4:14:55 PM EDT
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Scan a document into a .PDF file and open it up in Adobe Reader. Just one layer. I showed this video to my neighbor who works in reader as part of their job and my neighbor said it was a fake. Disclaimere. I scan documents from time to time and know little more than that when it comes to Reader. However, my neighbor isn't stupid and I take their word for what they are saying. I did the same thing. We have a high-dollar publishing printer. I printed out an immaculate copy of the Whitehouse cert, and scanned it on our very expensive scanner (which will try to discern text.) It came out unable to separate the text, and in one layer. Again... in my mind the document is 100% faked. The million dollar question is why they released such an obvious fraud. It was no doubt on purpose. |
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Posted: 4/27/2011 4:15:11 PM EDT
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Isn't there anyone working for Obama that is competent at anything?
What kind of skill does it take to flatten the layers of a composition to a jpeg? None. I suppose that they had to release a PDF because of some government standards rule or law. If what the video shows is true, then libs really ARE dumb as shit. |
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Posted: 4/27/2011 4:15:13 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: No, this document was CREATED. From the ground up. A debunker says this: "It's called OCR (optical character recognition). Acrobat and many scanners do this by default. It detects letters and words on the page and allows you to add selectable text to the document without having to type it in manually. Notice how when you hide a layer, it's white behind it? If it was truly forged, you wouldn't see any of the background missing. It's white because it doesn't know what's behind the text BECAUSE THE TEXT WAS THERE WHEN IT WAS SCANNED." Any truth to this? I did find it odd that the green background (true paper, or whatever it is called) was white in the areas where there was text. |
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Posted: 4/27/2011 4:15:49 PM EDT
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He is/was, he wasn't...doesn't matter. He's not going anywhere.
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Posted: 4/27/2011 4:16:33 PM EDT
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I downloaded the version from whitehouse.gov and it only has one layer. The government may have finally done something efficiently, by correcting the fuck up in the same day. 
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Posted: 4/27/2011 4:17:03 PM EDT
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I wish people would just shut the fuck up about this.
An easy way to spot an idiot is to look for someone who thinks his BC is fake and believes something will eventually happen because of it. |
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Posted: 4/27/2011 4:18:54 PM EDT
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I wish people would just shut the fuck up about this. An easy way to spot an idiot is to look for someone who thinks his BC is fake and believes something will eventually happen because of it. This, the document released, is fake. I have no comment on the birther issue stuff. |
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Posted: 4/27/2011 4:19:04 PM EDT
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Yeah, like they were using "African" as a race in 1961. THe non-PC word used back then was "negro." This x 100 |
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Posted: 4/27/2011 4:20:30 PM EDT
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If it does indeed show up in illustrator or photoshop with all those layers then it is absolutely a fraud - and a horrible one at that. Here's the best I can do to help show that these layers are in the PDF file. I opened the file in illustrator, and took screen shots of a progression, with most layers off at first, and then turning some interesting ones on. Click the images for the big versions. 
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Posted: 4/27/2011 4:20:46 PM EDT
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QdyLOUHz-A&feature=related
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Posted: 4/27/2011 4:21:24 PM EDT
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Oops forgot to "MERGE VISIBLE" oh well no one will notice.
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Posted: 4/27/2011 4:23:26 PM EDT
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o lord.. "hey guys look I have a birth certificate that says I was born in Hawaii, yeah we built it in photoshop, now can we drop this issue?" That thing doesn't even look like it was chopped, but it does appear someone is familiar with MS Paint! 
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Posted: 4/27/2011 4:23:52 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Yeah, like they were using "African" as a race in 1961. THe non-PC word used back then was "negro." This x 100 That is my feeling on it. There were plenty of white people born in Africa in those days. Where they African race also? I feel this release was an orchestrated event to make people watch his left hand while he picks their pocket with his right one. |
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Posted: 4/27/2011 4:24:10 PM EDT
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No, this document was CREATED. From the ground up. A debunker says this: "It's called OCR (optical character recognition). Acrobat and many scanners do this by default. It detects letters and words on the page and allows you to add selectable text to the document without having to type it in manually. Notice how when you hide a layer, it's white behind it? If it was truly forged, you wouldn't see any of the background missing. It's white because it doesn't know what's behind the text BECAUSE THE TEXT WAS THERE WHEN IT WAS SCANNED."
Any truth to this?
Not in my opinion, and this is easier for non-photoshop-equipped people to verify. Open the PDF yourself, and CTRL-F and search for words that appear. I can't get my PDF viewer to "find" anything I'd expect, like "10641" or "male" or "africa" or anything, so I'm going to assume this wasn't OCR'd so that people could search for words in one page worth of text. |
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Posted: 4/27/2011 4:28:07 PM EDT
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No, this document was CREATED. From the ground up. A debunker says this: "It's called OCR (optical character recognition). Acrobat and many scanners do this by default. It detects letters and words on the page and allows you to add selectable text to the document without having to type it in manually. Notice how when you hide a layer, it's white behind it? If it was truly forged, you wouldn't see any of the background missing. It's white because it doesn't know what's behind the text BECAUSE THE TEXT WAS THERE WHEN IT WAS SCANNED."
Any truth to this?
I did find it odd that the green background (true paper, or whatever it is called) was white in the areas where there was text. Here's the one I downloaded from whitehouse.gov at 3:54 PM EST today. LINK |
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Posted: 4/27/2011 4:29:11 PM EDT
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o lord.. "hey guys look I have a birth certificate that says I was born in Hawaii, yeah we built it in photoshop, now can we drop this issue?" That thing doesn't even look like it was chopped, but it does appear someone is familiar with MS Paint!
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Posted: 4/27/2011 4:29:57 PM EDT
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so the whitehouse uploaded a new pdf that has no layer in it now ???
If so, they truely believe nobody noticed ? |
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Posted: 4/27/2011 4:31:13 PM EDT
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That's a horrible fake
There has to be some reason behind that... |
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Posted: 4/27/2011 4:31:14 PM EDT
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Quoted: If the newspaper birth announcements aren't enough to convince you, well, you're probably pretty fucked up than.  |
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Posted: 4/27/2011 4:32:03 PM EDT
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so the whitehouse uploaded a new pdf that has no layer in it now ??? If so, they truely believe nobody noticed ? Doesn't matter, we already have the proof.   
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Posted: 4/27/2011 4:35:50 PM EDT
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so the whitehouse uploaded a new pdf that has no layer in it now ??? If so, they truely believe nobody noticed ? This is correct. Fortunately 5,000 Arfcommers downloaded the early version. Me being one. |
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Posted: 4/27/2011 4:37:00 PM EDT
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so the whitehouse uploaded a new pdf that has no layer in it now ??? If so, they truely believe nobody noticed ? Nope, I just double checked. The file I just pulled is the exact same file I have from 3:56 PM EST earlier today. MD5 (../birth-certificate-long-form.pdf) = 34a7aeb10b7077520e5a976a02de877b MD5 (./birth-certificate-long-form.pdf) = 34a7aeb10b7077520e5a976a02de877b |
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Posted: 4/27/2011 4:40:01 PM EDT
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so the whitehouse uploaded a new pdf that has no layer in it now ??? If so, they truely believe nobody noticed ? Nope, I just double checked. The file I just pulled is the exact same file I have from 3:56 PM EST earlier today. MD5 (../birth-certificate-long-form.pdf) = 34a7aeb10b7077520e5a976a02de877b MD5 (./birth-certificate-long-form.pdf) = 34a7aeb10b7077520e5a976a02de877b |
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Posted: 4/27/2011 4:40:05 PM EDT
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I am a Technical Coordinator and Prepress Specialist for a large commercial printer.I downloaded the file and can confirm the layers.
Two other things I see in the file that are odd. 1. The background is at a different resolution than the layers. The background layer is 150 DPI the others are 300DPI. I have limited experience with OCR scanners but my experience from one scanned document would be one resolution value. Seeing two values would make me believe it was assembled. 2. The PDF has a created and modified date of today at 5:09:24 AM on a MAC using a Quartz engine meaning it was saved by selecting "print" than printing it as a PDF file. Might not mean anything but thought I would share. |
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Posted: 4/27/2011 4:42:16 PM EDT
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I am not a birther and I think he was born in the US, but that is not what I have an issue with.
What I want to know if why spend all the money to hide a document. Then release it like this. I am betting that his true certificate has some thing embarrassing on it. |
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Posted: 4/27/2011 4:42:31 PM EDT
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I just tried it. It does indeed have MANY layers to it!!
SHIT JUST GOT REAL |
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Posted: 4/27/2011 4:43:03 PM EDT
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from nationalreview.com
PDF layers in Obama's birth certificate We have received several e-mails today calling into question the validity of the PDF that the White House released, namely that there are embedded layers in the document. There are now several other people on the case. We looked into it and dismissed it. The PDF is composed of multiple images. That’s correct. Using a photo editor or PDF viewer of your choice, you can extract this image data, view it, hide it, etc. But these layers, as they’re being called, aren’t layers in the traditional photo-editing sense of the word. They are, quite literally, pieces of image data that have been positioned in a PDF container. They appear as text but also contain glyphs, dots, lines, boxes, squiggles, and random garbage. They’re not combined or merged in any way. Quite simply, they look like they were created programmatically, not by a human. What’s plausible is that somewhere along the way — from the scanning device to the PDF-creation software, both of which can perform OCR (optical character recognition) — these partial/pseudo-text images were created and saved. What’s not plausible is that the government spent all this time manufacturing Obama’s birth certificate only to commit the laughably rookie mistake of exporting the layers from Photoshop, or whatever photo editing software they are meant to have used. It’s likely that whoever scanned the birth certificate in Hawaii forgot to turn off the OCR setting on the scanner. Let’s leave it at that. UPDATE: I’ve confirmed that scanning an image, converting it to a PDF, optimizing that PDF, and then opening it up in Illustrator, does in fact create layers similar to what is seen in the birth certificate PDF. You can try it yourself at home. |
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Posted: 4/27/2011 4:44:06 PM EDT
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In before Donald Trumps document experts claim the COLB is a fake.
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Posted: 4/27/2011 4:44:17 PM EDT
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so the whitehouse uploaded a new pdf that has no layer in it now ??? If so, they truely believe nobody noticed ? Nope, I just double checked. The file I just pulled is the exact same file I have from 3:56 PM EST earlier today. MD5 (../birth-certificate-long-form.pdf) = 34a7aeb10b7077520e5a976a02de877b MD5 (./birth-certificate-long-form.pdf) = 34a7aeb10b7077520e5a976a02de877b Uhh, yeah, learn how a UNIX-like system operates, before making yourself look stupid. I saved the original PDF, along with some other interesting research I've found throughout the day in a folder on my desktop named "BHO", so it's real path is ~/Desktop/BHO Then I saved the more recent copy of the PDF from whitehouse.gov to compare against. I left that on my desktop, or ~/Desktop Then, in a terminal, I moved into ~/Desktop/BHO and typed "md5 ../file.pdf ./file.pdf", telling it to compare the file on my desktop, to the file in the current directory, hence the "../" vs "./", so again, don't speak about stuff you don't know about. |
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Posted: 4/27/2011 4:44:37 PM EDT
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I am a Technical Coordinator and Prepress Specialist for a large commercial printer.I downloaded the file and can confirm the layers. Two other things I see in the file that are odd. 1. The background is at a different resolution than the layers. The background layer is 150 DPI the others are 300DPI. I have limited experience with OCR scanners but my experience from one scanned document would be one resolution value. Seeing two values would make me believe it was assembled. 2. The PDF has a created and modified date of today at 5:09:24 AM on a MAC using a Quartz engine meaning it was saved by selecting "print" than printing it as a PDF file. Might not mean anything but thought I would share. Good Stuff! Fuck Obongo |
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Posted: 4/27/2011 4:46:24 PM EDT
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from nationalreview.com PDF layers in Obama's birth certificate We have received several e-mails today calling into question the validity of the PDF that the White House released, namely that there are embedded layers in the document. There are now several other people on the case. We looked into it and dismissed it. The PDF is composed of multiple images. That’s correct. Using a photo editor or PDF viewer of your choice, you can extract this image data, view it, hide it, etc. But these layers, as they’re being called, aren’t layers in the traditional photo-editing sense of the word. They are, quite literally, pieces of image data that have been positioned in a PDF container. They appear as text but also contain glyphs, dots, lines, boxes, squiggles, and random garbage. They’re not combined or merged in any way. Quite simply, they look like they were created programmatically, not by a human. What’s plausible is that somewhere along the way — from the scanning device to the PDF-creation software, both of which can perform OCR (optical character recognition) — these partial/pseudo-text images were created and saved. What’s not plausible is that the government spent all this time manufacturing Obama’s birth certificate only to commit the laughably rookie mistake of exporting the layers from Photoshop, or whatever photo editing software they are meant to have used. It’s likely that whoever scanned the birth certificate in Hawaii forgot to turn off the OCR setting on the scanner. Let’s leave it at that. UPDATE: I’ve confirmed that scanning an image, converting it to a PDF, optimizing that PDF, and then opening it up in Illustrator, does in fact create layers similar to what is seen in the birth certificate PDF. You can try it yourself at home. doesn't explain canvas size differences, DPI differences, resolution differences, etc. That explanation may fool someone who doesn't have any significant photoshop/illustrator experience, but that explanation won't fly with anyone else. |
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Posted: 4/27/2011 4:51:27 PM EDT
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OK Donald, it's your turn.
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Posted: 4/27/2011 4:53:33 PM EDT
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I just downloaded it from the .gov website, opened it in Illustrator... Wow, somebody forgot to crop and flatten this.
Edit to add that I am seeing a bunch of other things wrong with this document. I wasn't a birther before this, but now I'm really starting to wonder... Eric  |
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Posted: 4/27/2011 4:56:55 PM EDT
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Quoted: Illustrator....not ReaderScan a document into a .PDF file and open it up in Adobe Reader. Just one layer. I showed this video to my neighbor who works in reader as part of their job and my neighbor said it was a fake. Disclaimere. I scan documents from time to time and know little more than that when it comes to Reader. However, my neighbor isn't stupid and I take their word for what they are saying. Adobe Illustrator  |
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Posted: 4/27/2011 4:58:51 PM EDT
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The tampering is just the baiting of the hook. That's why this has come out so early. The setting of the hook will come just before the election. Step away from this. Yep, big fish don't get big by being stupid. |
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Posted: 4/27/2011 4:59:08 PM EDT
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Quoted: He is/was, he wasn't...doesn't matter. He's not going anywhere. Pretty much. At best, we get 18 more months of him. At worst, we get 66 more months of him. Either way, the nightmare WILL end.
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Posted: 4/27/2011 5:01:35 PM EDT
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The document referenced in the other thread indicates the hospital used a computer created copy.
Which seems like it would explain all of this. EDIT: "computer-generated certified copy" http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/rss_viewer/birth-certificate-correspondence.pdf |
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Posted: 4/27/2011 5:03:05 PM EDT
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The document referenced in the other thread indicates the hospital used a computer created copy. Which seems like it would explain all of this. Then where did the "bind" come from. They tried to make it look like a scan of a bound book (poorly so.) |
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Posted: 4/27/2011 5:07:35 PM EDT
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I am a Technical Coordinator and Prepress Specialist for a large commercial printer.I downloaded the file and can confirm the layers. Two other things I see in the file that are odd. 1. The background is at a different resolution than the layers. The background layer is 150 DPI the others are 300DPI. I have limited experience with OCR scanners but my experience from one scanned document would be one resolution value. Seeing two values would make me believe it was assembled. 2. The PDF has a created and modified date of today at 5:09:24 AM on a MAC using a Quartz engine meaning it was saved by selecting "print" than printing it as a PDF file. Might not mean anything but thought I would share. To help clarify point number 2, I would expect the PDF file to be the original pdf file from the hospital with an older date than this morning and the PDF software producer to be generated from some scanning software or Distiller.Also I would expect a hospital or government facility to use a PC if its function was just to scan and file docs like these. |
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Posted: 4/27/2011 5:08:34 PM EDT
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Illustrator....not ReaderScan a document into a .PDF file and open it up in Adobe Reader. Just one layer. I showed this video to my neighbor who works in reader as part of their job and my neighbor said it was a fake. Disclaimere. I scan documents from time to time and know little more than that when it comes to Reader. However, my neighbor isn't stupid and I take their word for what they are saying. Adobe Illustrator
Thanks. At least I put in my disclaimer eh?
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Posted: 4/27/2011 5:08:41 PM EDT
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from nationalreview.com PDF layers in Obama's birth certificate We have received several e-mails today calling into question the validity of the PDF that the White House released, namely that there are embedded layers in the document. There are now several other people on the case. We looked into it and dismissed it. The PDF is composed of multiple images. That’s correct. Using a photo editor or PDF viewer of your choice, you can extract this image data, view it, hide it, etc. But these layers, as they’re being called, aren’t layers in the traditional photo-editing sense of the word. They are, quite literally, pieces of image data that have been positioned in a PDF container. They appear as text but also contain glyphs, dots, lines, boxes, squiggles, and random garbage. They’re not combined or merged in any way. Quite simply, they look like they were created programmatically, not by a human. What’s plausible is that somewhere along the way — from the scanning device to the PDF-creation software, both of which can perform OCR (optical character recognition) — these partial/pseudo-text images were created and saved. What’s not plausible is that the government spent all this time manufacturing Obama’s birth certificate only to commit the laughably rookie mistake of exporting the layers from Photoshop, or whatever photo editing software they are meant to have used. It’s likely that whoever scanned the birth certificate in Hawaii forgot to turn off the OCR setting on the scanner. Let’s leave it at that. UPDATE: I’ve confirmed that scanning an image, converting it to a PDF, optimizing that PDF, and then opening it up in Illustrator, does in fact create layers similar to what is seen in the birth certificate PDF. You can try it yourself at home. You're just part of the cover up . Face it, don't even bother , any evidence that debunks the idiots only serves as further "proof" of their delusions. |
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Posted: 4/27/2011 5:09:14 PM EDT
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Quoted: I downloaded the version from whitehouse.gov and it only has one layer. Negative, Ghostrider. This is very weird. I work with images, Photoshop, llustrator, PDFs and scans on a daily basis, and I really don't know what to make of this PDF file. 13 years as a graphic designer and I've never seen one like it. The "text" layer isn't text at all, but just a separate bitmap layer i.e. NOT OCR text. I'm pretty much at a loss as to what to think about this thing. It's either some weird technical issue I'm not familiar with, like some sort of proprietary scanning software used to scan old microfiche and "lift" the text from the background, or we are getting played. I suspect it's more of a technical issue- one that I'm not familiar with.   |
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Posted: 4/27/2011 5:10:44 PM EDT
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OK I'm not a "birther" and I do not have Illustrator, but I do have Photoshop. I downloaded the file and opened it in Photoshop as a .pdf and it was fine, I opened it as an "image" and sure enough the guy is right there are multiple layers. FYI I downloaded it directly from the White house website, if you have Photoshop try it for yourself, It HAS been doctored, no question! This is unfucking believable!
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Posted: 4/27/2011 5:13:40 PM EDT
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Quoted: so the whitehouse uploaded a new pdf that has no layer in it now ??? If so, they truely believe nobody noticed ? I just downloaded it off of the white house website and it still has layers in it. |
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Posted: 4/27/2011 5:14:55 PM EDT
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Quoted: The "computer-Generated certified copy" is the short form COLB that was shown a long time ago.The document referenced in the other thread indicates the hospital used a computer created copy. Which seems like it would explain all of this. EDIT: "computer-generated certified copy" http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/rss_viewer/birth-certificate-correspondence.pdf These are supposed to be a non-computer-generated copy, using some kind of microfiche printer. Which is what they appear to be on the surface. OCR might be a legitimate reason for the layers and funky attributes to the file, but it always pays to be suspicious of the actions of a known liar and con-man like BHO. |
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Posted: 4/27/2011 5:19:17 PM EDT
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But has anyone downloaded it from the Whitehouse website and seen if it still has layers?
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Posted: 4/27/2011 5:21:39 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: No, this document was CREATED. From the ground up. A debunker says this: "It's called OCR (optical character recognition). Acrobat and many scanners do this by default. It detects letters and words on the page and allows you to add selectable text to the document without having to type it in manually. Notice how when you hide a layer, it's white behind it? If it was truly forged, you wouldn't see any of the background missing. It's white because it doesn't know what's behind the text BECAUSE THE TEXT WAS THERE WHEN IT WAS SCANNED." Any truth to this? I did find it odd that the green background (true paper, or whatever it is called) was white in the areas where there was text. Because the scanner didn't know what was behind the text, so it defaulted to white. If whoever scanned it did so with OCR off we wouldn't be having this discussion. |
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Posted: 4/27/2011 5:22:25 PM EDT
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Quoted: Scan a document into a .PDF file and open it up in Adobe Reader. Just one layer. I showed this video to my neighbor who works in reader as part of their job and my neighbor said it was a fake. Disclaimere. I scan documents from time to time and know little more than that when it comes to Reader. However, my neighbor isn't stupid and I take their word for what they are saying. Do you scan it with OCR on? |
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