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Posted: 10/10/2007 8:35:48 AM EDT
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Fox most certainly does mention the USA. Vicente Fox :
I suppose you also think we arent a part of NAFTA??
You can kindly shove that up you @ss. Your the first person to mention anything about any tin foil hat bullshit. This is a discussion. If you cant be part of one, then step the hell out. |
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Posted: 10/10/2007 8:38:24 AM EDT
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I'll raise you. 
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Posted: 10/10/2007 8:39:32 AM EDT
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Oops. Your right. |
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Posted: 10/10/2007 8:39:34 AM EDT
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Schnitt will talk about it. |
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Posted: 10/10/2007 8:40:18 AM EDT
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then why the fuck is Bush involved? |
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Posted: 10/10/2007 8:41:43 AM EDT
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Since when are ANY jobs 'threatened' by the bypassing of the teamsters/longshoremen, or by the reduction of unskilled manufacturing 'middle class'???? Last I checked, that was generally 'lower class' work, or would be without union interferance.... Once again, complaining about the 'SuperHighway' because it will do an end run around US labor unions... Boo fucking hoo.... Self-inflicted pain.... They deserve what they get.... |
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Posted: 10/10/2007 8:43:58 AM EDT
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Again, anyone who thinks WE arent involved go directly to the US GOV's /Dept of Commerce website!!!!
www.spp.gov And I for one could give a shit about labor unions, however, ripping a highway through the entire country, for Mexican truckers to run straight on through??? Free trade, yeah right - goodie, so I can get more lead laced crap from China, and then watch Mattel apologize TO China for the fuckup  |
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Posted: 10/10/2007 8:46:28 AM EDT
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Normaly I can tell that the shitstorm posters are just getting a good laugh But I really think you drink the kool aid... Don't worry you will either be outsourced your self or be tasked with rounding up folks that are not so enthuastic about the new Union... nevermind |
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Posted: 10/10/2007 8:48:23 AM EDT
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In what? In constructing a freeway system to get goods into the country through non-union channels? Maybe because it's good for the US economy - for the 80%+ who don't work in a factory, drive a truck or unload ships for a living.... In expanding free trade? Because once again, for the majority of Americans, it means cheaper products and no impact on their jobs... As for this 'Amero' shit, that's another story all together... A more likely situation is the 'dollarization' of south/central American economies (some countries have done this allready) where local currency is 'pegged' to the USD, with a possible adoption of USD outright at some time in the distant future.... Political integration of Latin America would be logical, but it's not going to happen because the little pissant countries can't get along well enough, and MX won't want to play ball with it's southern neighbors.... Note, I said LATIN America, not NORTH America... In a world where China, Russia, the US and the EU are the major players, expect geographically & linguistically similar nations to start forming EU-type organizations. They need to if they want to compete.... A future union between the US and parts of Canada is more plausible than a US-MX-CA integration... |
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Posted: 10/10/2007 8:48:45 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/10/2007 8:50:30 AM EDT
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He isnt. Fox never mentioned his name. The transcript and video are fakes. |
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Posted: 10/10/2007 8:53:18 AM EDT
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Some jobs need to be outsourced... Period... The majority of the US auto industry, for example - see the Chrysler thread.... My job by definition can't be outsourced, unless a nutball like Ron Paul gets in and decides we'll go back to hiring mercenaries like it's the Middle Ages... My prior civilian job was pretty safe too (I did network consulting & on-site tech support for small businesses)... You see, actual middle class jobs (white collar, college degree required, or blue-collar skilled service-trades) aren't being threatened... It's not possible to outsource jobs that have to deal face-to-face with customers in the USA... If a job can be done well enough by a 3rd-worlder from a 'developing' nation, it's NOT a middle class job in a developed economy... Period... |
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Posted: 10/10/2007 8:53:55 AM EDT
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I think you are missing the part where a lot of folks are trying to turn the United States into another Latin American country... Language, border, culture??? All trying to be erased by many of those in pay grade much higher than your own... |
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Posted: 10/10/2007 8:54:06 AM EDT
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World Net Daily.... You might as well be quoting the National Enquirer.... |
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Posted: 10/10/2007 8:55:34 AM EDT
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Shaddup, whacko! 
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Posted: 10/10/2007 8:57:13 AM EDT
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Uh... in case you missed it, there is a bevy of .mil jobs that have been converted to contract work. One member here was USAF, got riffed, and got a job with a defense contractor doing his same exact job for a considerable pay increase. AT The Pentagon  Also, tell me again who is doing general (not high risk like nuke) security at USAF bases??? |
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Posted: 10/10/2007 8:59:21 AM EDT
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In the minds of a bunch of conspiracy theorists, maybe... But the notion that someone is trying to turn the US into a 3rd-world country is absurd... They are trying to get rid of the dead weight on the bottom-25% of our economy, without directly taking on the unions through labor-law reform... To do this requires such things as easier outsourcing and a way to get foreign goods into the US that goes around the transportation-industry unions... A way like a major highway between US rail hubs, and honoring the NAFTA trucking clause... Good on 'em... The notion that Latin America might integrate into some form of confederation is similarly logical... But no one is actually trying to get 'rid' of English, or to move the US border... Pure nutballery, from the same folks who have been bitching about the so-called 'New World Order'... When the super-evil-one-world-government FAILED TO MATERIALIZE, they now came up with the same BS on a smaller scale, the 'North American Union'.... |
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Posted: 10/10/2007 9:00:30 AM EDT
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The_Macallan himself has posted more than enough proof of that in the articles and events he has posted regarding illegal immegration. Personally, I think its tied in directly with this. |
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Posted: 10/10/2007 9:01:43 AM EDT
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Yeah, like the article in the very first post of this thread. |
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Posted: 10/10/2007 9:04:10 AM EDT
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pwn3d HH |
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Posted: 10/10/2007 9:15:41 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/10/2007 9:22:39 AM EDT
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yeah doesn't KBR do most of the military's logistical support in iraq? |
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Posted: 10/10/2007 9:23:29 AM EDT
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Welcome to the War, Hawkeye! 
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Posted: 10/10/2007 9:28:10 AM EDT
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Been in a long time. Things are just getting a little more......clear. |
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Posted: 10/10/2007 9:29:30 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/10/2007 9:48:35 AM EDT
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Yeah, but now you get to suffer at the hands of the quintessential Warrior/Philosopher/Economist, Dave_A.
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Posted: 10/10/2007 9:49:16 AM EDT
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So what, exactly, do we do about this? "If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem".
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Posted: 10/10/2007 9:51:21 AM EDT
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Its not the first time.  
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Posted: 10/10/2007 10:02:32 AM EDT
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Make two trips. One to the voting booth, the other to the gun shop.
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Posted: 10/10/2007 10:06:40 AM EDT
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Save gas and time. Just go to the gun store right after leaving the voting booth. Like I said in another thread... Weapons Ammo Mags Food |
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Posted: 10/10/2007 10:17:14 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/10/2007 10:17:38 AM EDT
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 Swami forsee's a scheduled outage for "routine maintenance" of the NICS system in early November... |
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Posted: 10/10/2007 10:28:41 AM EDT
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Stuff that it's a waste of time to have troops do... Like running the chow halls, pumping fuel, etc.... There are many jobs in the military that simply should be given to contractors 100% CONUS gate-guard duty is definately one of them (it detracts from unit readiness by pulling soldiers off-mission (support units that have a stateside mission) or away from training to check IDs all day).... The fact that we are VERY short on troops - except the Air Force, which has a surplus - means this will continue, as we can't spare soldiers to do rent-a-cop work... Food service is another, although we DO need military cooks to accompany certain rapid-deployment units that go places where the civillians can't... But the point remains valid - the actual trigger pullers, and the 'support' that travels with them (radio operators, et-al) isn't being outsourced, and can't be... So once I change my job to 19K (tank crewman) next year, the above statement about being 'safe' holds.... The same applies in the civillian sector - if you are worried about outsourcing (which is NOT why I am changing my job) change your job to one that cannot be outsourced (because it requires you to be physically present in the USA interacting face-to-face with your customers)..... |
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Posted: 10/10/2007 10:32:41 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/10/2007 11:05:39 AM EDT
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This dollar?  And this "stupid-shiny-metal as money"? The "stupid-shiny-metal as money" of which the Fed allegedly holds 261 million ounces?  |
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Posted: 10/10/2007 11:21:46 AM EDT
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Hey DaveA, hate to break it to you, but those farm subsidies are not going to the "family farmer" like your pal Fred Thompson wants you to think, the vast majority of farm subsidies go to the giant corporate farms.
(I wish we could get rid of them also, how about you get serious about eliminating farm subsidies and vote for Ron Paul) |
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Posted: 10/10/2007 11:43:38 AM EDT
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To me it is really sad that many here and elsewhere toot the horn of some so called capitalist purity by demonizing a trade union wherein they are the only ones advocating a "living" wage in this economy ( american economy ) by jumping in bed with communists and socialists to provide cheap slave labor so that a corporate fat cat can make billions instead of millions.
Who is going to buy their fucking cheap ass shit when there isnt any jobs left that pay more than 10$ an hour? In addition this Trans American corridor should make everything alot cheaper due to the fact that thousands of Americans will be out of a job. Right? Meaning all of our Chinese goods are going to drop in price at Walmart now, right? Im holding my breath. Like it will fucking matter being we wont have a job to buy them anyways. You free traders are amazing to me. When an adult cant add 2+ 2 and come out with 4 all hope is lost. |
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Posted: 10/10/2007 11:45:54 AM EDT
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Learn International Economics, then come back and talk, free trade is not the debil |
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Posted: 10/10/2007 11:48:24 AM EDT
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Does anyone have the link where Greenspan says we need to lower wages? We need for some here to hear that. Although it will be labeled a tinfoil farce.
This is something that has been in place and enacted upon for a decade or more. He is just coming out now. The damage is already done. I like to hear it from the horses mouth. |
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Posted: 10/10/2007 11:49:56 AM EDT
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Not to offend but I have probably studied it for about as long as you have been alive In addition I have seen it first hand. Probably when you were playing football and playing GI joe. Its an Ideology I dont buy.. Although your buying it and you can see where we are at now and where we are going. Everything is rosey and only getting better. My experience is the only people that hug the turd of absolute FREE trade ( as opposed to fair trade ) are youngsters who were fed that shit in an economics class taught by an Indian or other Fabian socialist. |
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Posted: 10/10/2007 12:05:13 PM EDT
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Straight from the Illuminist's mouth. |
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Posted: 10/10/2007 12:11:39 PM EDT
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How are you going to spin this one, Dave_A? 
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Posted: 10/10/2007 12:15:28 PM EDT
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When he said NWO he wasnt saying it in a literal sense how the tinfoilers mean it. Thats about the only thing I can think to come up with a counter to that and hey Im a professional salesman at my day job. lol
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Posted: 10/10/2007 12:34:08 PM EDT
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 You're very predictable now. |
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Posted: 10/10/2007 1:07:51 PM EDT
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 There was a time not so very long ago when 19K's and other trigger pullers were getting Riffed at a pretty good clip. I hope for you sake that our current disagreement with certain members of that maligned and misunderstood religion continues for the foreseeable future.
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Posted: 10/10/2007 1:15:56 PM EDT
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Says the person getting a .mil paycheck. Dude, you're god for a laugh, at least. |
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Posted: 10/10/2007 1:19:30 PM EDT
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I did have many Chinese Econ teachers, lol. OK, well I agree that trade has to be fair, but maybe we do not agree on what exactly is fair trade. Free trade would be great if everyone followed it! |
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Posted: 10/10/2007 1:20:13 PM EDT
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OST for later
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Posted: 10/10/2007 1:25:06 PM EDT
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Or even had similiar concepts of IP, contracts, billing, or consumer protection. I'm all for Free Trade with the Australians, Canadians, Kiwis, Singaporeans, etc. Their values are similar to our own. I'm even for Free Trade for "almost theres" like Chile. It gives those countries incentive to develop property rights and other things that make a free economy. The ChiCom attittude toward property rights would make our SCOTUS look like Randian conservatives, but all the Free Traders line up to fellate the Chinese. I don't get it. Instead, the ruling class has mortgaged our strengths in a jihad for Free Trade. What has it accomplished. Nothing. |
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Posted: 10/10/2007 1:30:08 PM EDT
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Thank you for being kind. Sorry if I sounded rough. My perspective is though and something the Free traders or the teachers of Freetraders avoid is the fact of different economic models doing trade with each other and their inequities. Indians don't have enough money to buy 30k dollar vehicles or other large ticket items we manufacture. Free traders thumb their nose at lower end manufacturing jobs and gave them to the Indians or Chinese. These are the goods we would trade to keep things square with 3rd world economies if we were practicing true free trade.An indian might be able to afford a pair of denim jeans. But we dont make them here no more. Why do you even want to compete with India or China anyways? They are a third world economy and they don't live the same standard of living as we do. I don't want to compete with them. To do so would mean that i must lower my standard of living. Rememberr what Greenspan said a few weeks ago about lowering American wages to be more competitive? I cant afford to get by now. Im struggling making what used to be considered descent money. Why cut more jobs? Why compete? Makes absolutely ZERO sense to me. Isnt the American economy in itself large enough to grow within itself? Im not counting out foreign goods. The Germans make excellent glass ( optics ) or vehicles. They are nto a threat to our economy because their standard of living parallels ours. Tell me 20 years form now it will all be better? The chinese will then be able to afford a 30k vehicle? lol Well in return I say I have watched this happen for 25+ years and its getting even worse and not better. The Chinese will never buy our 30k vehicle they will build their own with their own labor so they can afford it. See the paradigm here? |
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