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Posted: 9/27/2022 1:00:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why would Russia blow it up, and not just turn it off? It was turned off (not in operation) |
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Posted: 9/27/2022 1:00:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That’s a lot of gas leaking from a pipe that was supposed to be shutdown. Seems like the Europeans were buying a shitload of gas’s on the down-low from Russia. Remember, they were supposed to have shut it off when Russia invaded Ukraine as part of the sanctions. Why would the Europeans do this |
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Posted: 9/27/2022 1:01:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Pilot should have popped flares.  Imagine if a cruise ship hit those bubbles. It would sink instantly.
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Posted: 9/27/2022 1:01:32 PM EDT
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The lines were both shut off, right? Whoever did this did it to *keep* them shut off. Who would have a motive to do that? Who else wants that gas but isn't served by that pipeline? China.
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Posted: 9/27/2022 1:02:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We've fallen pretty far it seems. I didn't think we'd reach the craziness the likes of which where Liberals were saying GWB attack the World Trade Center. Well here we are . I think the loss of integrity of major institutions over the past few years has made a lot of people start questioning everything, for better or worse. And to be completely truthful I can't entirely blame them, as trying to figure out what is and isn't true has become increasingly difficult. |
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Posted: 9/27/2022 1:03:00 PM EDT
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Let's do some blamestorming
I bet the Swedes did this |
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Posted: 9/27/2022 1:03:11 PM EDT
[#7]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It prevents countries like Germany from being able to cave to Russian demands. They can't submit to Russia's demands to get the pipeline turned back on, if there's no pipeline. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The tying together of Biden's comments with the leak/sabotage would have been much more believable in March or April. I cant really think of a reason to blow up inactive (Nord 1) and never used (Nord 2) pipelines. The Russians already cut off supply of oil to Europe. Europe and the US are already aligned with Ukraine against Russia and no one will flip sides over a small "push" in either direction anymore. Biden's comments seemed to be a threat in immediate reaction to invasion and were made back when Nord 1 and Nord 2 were the big diplomatic chips being played before the invasion. Blowing up/damaging unused pipelines in retaliation for an invasion 8 months after the fact seems unlikely. It prevents countries like Germany from being able to cave to Russian demands. They can't submit to Russia's demands to get the pipeline turned back on, if there's no pipeline. Except Kremlin's stated demands are the "collective west" must rescind sanctions. The NG energy issue is larger than Germany really, and Germany isn't in a position to unilaterally accede to Russia's demands. Tho Russia is doing yeoman's work using information to shape discussions and influence the uncritical. |
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Posted: 9/27/2022 1:03:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why would Russia blow it up, and not just turn it off? -snarky GD govt leech |
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Posted: 9/27/2022 1:04:02 PM EDT
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Who engineered and built that thing... the russians or zee germans?
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Posted: 9/27/2022 1:04:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why would the Europeans do this Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: That's a lot of gas leaking from a pipe that was supposed to be shutdown. Seems like the Europeans were buying a shitload of gas's on the down-low from Russia. Remember, they were supposed to have shut it off when Russia invaded Ukraine as part of the sanctions. Why would the Europeans do this They weren't |
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Posted: 9/27/2022 1:04:52 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/27/2022 1:05:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They weren't Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: That's a lot of gas leaking from a pipe that was supposed to be shutdown. Seems like the Europeans were buying a shitload of gas's on the down-low from Russia. Remember, they were supposed to have shut it off when Russia invaded Ukraine as part of the sanctions. Why would the Europeans do this They weren't Those dirty Euros |
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Posted: 9/27/2022 1:06:48 PM EDT
[#13]
Now youse can’t get gas…
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Posted: 9/27/2022 1:07:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This is clear attack carried out by CIA Sabotage Dolphins. PROOF Your proof is a California prop 29 commercial? |
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Posted: 9/27/2022 1:07:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why would Russia blow it up, and not just turn it off? To make it look like the US did it. Divide your enemies. |
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Posted: 9/27/2022 1:07:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why would Russia blow it up, and not just turn it off? To pretend they didn't do it? |
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Posted: 9/27/2022 1:08:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: just because it was under pressure, doesn't mean anything was flowing. Keeping it under pressure is a good way to guard against water intrusion if there is a leak. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: That’s a lot of gas leaking from a pipe that was supposed to be shutdown. Seems like the Europeans were buying a shitload of gas’s on the down-low from Russia. Remember, they were supposed to have shut it off when Russia invaded Ukraine as part of the sanctions. just because it was under pressure, doesn't mean anything was flowing. Keeping it under pressure is a good way to guard against water intrusion if there is a leak. I considered that also. However, without gas flowing it would quickly emptied and we are still seeing a shitload of release. |
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Posted: 9/27/2022 1:08:40 PM EDT
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The Russians were just trolling the Europeans the other day with leaving their gas burners on showing how cheap their gas is.
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Posted: 9/27/2022 1:09:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Those dirty Euros Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: That's a lot of gas leaking from a pipe that was supposed to be shutdown. Seems like the Europeans were buying a shitload of gas's on the down-low from Russia. Remember, they were supposed to have shut it off when Russia invaded Ukraine as part of the sanctions. Why would the Europeans do this They weren't Those dirty Euros They deserve a nuking |
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Posted: 9/27/2022 1:11:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Let's do some blamestorming I bet the Swedes did this Wait, are we shitposting now? OK I got it. There is a supposed CO2 shortage, which may affect the beer industry. A man-cat-walrus, realizes that Nat Gas can be a substitute. So, the perpetrator is none other than the CEO of WorkBeers himself. We just can't see the siphon line at the bottom going directly to WorkBeers HQ. |
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Posted: 9/27/2022 1:11:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: To pretend they didn't do it? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Why would Russia blow it up, and not just turn it off? To pretend they didn't do it? Good reason to not supply gas to the coming humanitarian crisis in Europe. "Oh, I see you all are freezing and can't power your grid or move critical goods from place to place. I'm so sorry, I'd help, BUT, there's no pipeline". Sell it elsewhere instead, watch Europe burn (or freeze), and they become an easy mark. Destroy them financially, humanitarian crisis, here's comes ol Russia and China with the help everyone needs. |
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Posted: 9/27/2022 1:11:46 PM EDT
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Quoted: To make it look like the US did it. Divide your enemies. Quoted: To pretend they didn't do it? That's retarded even for Russians. 
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Posted: 9/27/2022 1:12:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I considered that also. However, without gas flowing it would quickly emptied and we are still seeing a shitload of release. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: That’s a lot of gas leaking from a pipe that was supposed to be shutdown. Seems like the Europeans were buying a shitload of gas’s on the down-low from Russia. Remember, they were supposed to have shut it off when Russia invaded Ukraine as part of the sanctions. just because it was under pressure, doesn't mean anything was flowing. Keeping it under pressure is a good way to guard against water intrusion if there is a leak. I considered that also. However, without gas flowing it would quickly emptied and we are still seeing a shitload of release. That much gas under serious pressure is going to expand massively. I don't see how you can say that without doing some calculations. |
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Posted: 9/27/2022 1:13:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wait, are we shitposting now? OK I got it. There is a supposed CO2 shortage, which may affect the beer industry. A man-cat-walrus, realizes that Nat Gas can be a substitute. So, the perpetrator is none other than the CEO of WorkBeers himself. We just can't see the siphon line at the bottom going directly to WorkBeers HQ. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Let's do some blamestorming I bet the Swedes did this Wait, are we shitposting now? OK I got it. There is a supposed CO2 shortage, which may affect the beer industry. A man-cat-walrus, realizes that Nat Gas can be a substitute. So, the perpetrator is none other than the CEO of WorkBeers himself. We just can't see the siphon line at the bottom going directly to WorkBeers HQ. Ivan wants a merger with Work-Vodka |
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Posted: 9/27/2022 1:13:22 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I considered that also. However, without gas flowing it would quickly emptied and we are still seeing a shitload of release. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: That’s a lot of gas leaking from a pipe that was supposed to be shutdown. Seems like the Europeans were buying a shitload of gas’s on the down-low from Russia. Remember, they were supposed to have shut it off when Russia invaded Ukraine as part of the sanctions. just because it was under pressure, doesn't mean anything was flowing. Keeping it under pressure is a good way to guard against water intrusion if there is a leak. I considered that also. However, without gas flowing it would quickly emptied and we are still seeing a shitload of release. best way to guard against water intrusion is keep the gas flowing at a slightly higher pressure than the water at lowest depth. |
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Posted: 9/27/2022 1:14:12 PM EDT
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https://viborc.com/europe-gas-storage-reserves-capacities-by-country-daily/
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Posted: 9/27/2022 1:15:23 PM EDT
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When you ‘mothball’ an underwater system it’s typical to keep it internally pressurized to exceed the force of the water on the outside of the pipe.
I don’t know the pipelines depth but at 100’ it would be near 60 PSI. Depth (meters/feet) Fresh Water (1000 kg/m3) Sea Water (1030 kg/m3) 30.48 meters (100 feet) 0.4 MPa 58 PSI 0.4 MPa 59.3 PSI Regardless it’s safe to say that the system is flooded with seawater to whatever points that they have as safety gates (section isolation). This removes the option of sanction relief or black market flow. The reverse gear on this is going to be an expensive solution. |
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Posted: 9/27/2022 1:17:47 PM EDT
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Does anyone know if this is true?
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Posted: 9/27/2022 1:18:11 PM EDT
[#29]
Oh man, GD is gonna lap this up, lol.
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Posted: 9/27/2022 1:19:02 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: To pretend they didn't do it? And then what? They divide the alliance, so that the embittered members can come to the table and seek... nothing now. I would invite you to be open to the possibility that we are not the good guys. That doesn't mean Russian subjugation of their neighbors is correct, or that Putin's not a despot, or that we aren't ultimately the lesser of the two evils. But that doesn't mean we can't still be evil. Our strength is our freedom to demand better of ourselves, irrespective of what our enemies say or do about us. They can have their own schemes and machinations, and they may think us divided and weak for our ability to make our leaders accountable, but that is our greatest asset that they will never be able to match. We can beat Russia AND still be the good guys. After all, their showing in Ukraine has shown that shouldn't be too hard to do. |
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Posted: 9/27/2022 1:19:43 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Doubt no more... Dummy in Chief: "If Russia invades...then there will be no longer a Nord Stream 2. We will bring an end to it." https://i.postimg.cc/yYLZJbRM/nordstream.jpg That leak is one kilometer across. The small circle in the center is 200 meters. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Doubt Doubt no more... Dummy in Chief: "If Russia invades...then there will be no longer a Nord Stream 2. We will bring an end to it." https://i.postimg.cc/yYLZJbRM/nordstream.jpg That leak is one kilometer across. The small circle in the center is 200 meters. The temptation to shoot a flare into that would be overwhelming..... |
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Posted: 9/27/2022 1:19:55 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Does anyone know if this is true?
Sounds German |
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Posted: 9/27/2022 1:20:19 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/27/2022 1:21:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I've read that there was a 4.0 or bigger quake in that area. The video of the gas surfacing in the ocean is impressive. Needs to be lit, though! Yes. Yes it does. 
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Posted: 9/27/2022 1:21:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Anybody seen the Jimmy Carter lately? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/312/jimmycartermission7_jpg-2541364.JPG Or the tic tac? 
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Posted: 9/27/2022 1:21:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: When you 'mothball' an underwater system it's typical to keep it internally pressurized to exceed the force of the water on the outside of the pipe. I don't know the pipelines depth but at 100' it would be near 60 PSI. Depth (meters/feet) Fresh Water (1000 kg/m3) Sea Water (1030 kg/m3) 30.48 meters (100 feet) 0.4 MPa 58 PSI 0.4 MPa 59.3 PSI Regardless it's safe to say that the system is flooded with seawater to whatever points that they have as safety gates (section isolation). This removes the option of sanction relief or black market flow. The reverse gear on this is going to be an expensive solution. Gazrprom controls the pipeline (owns the majority of the Nordstream AG) Europe wasn't going to put their eggs in the Russian basket again. The wheels were already turning You can remove those motivations from the calculations |
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Posted: 9/27/2022 1:22:11 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/27/2022 1:22:35 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: >Want Europe to pop off with WW3 >Russia invades, Europe says Don't, Russia turns off gas, Looks like Europe is going to retaliate >Everything is going to plan >Europe gets cold feet, looks like they might surrender before war starts >Oh no, Russia could turn gas back on if Europe plays nice with them ... >Blow up an inactive pipeline to stop that from happening and get everybody cold, angry and back on war schedule That's why the US might do that. It's also why Russia might frame the US for doing that, but I bet Russia would rather turn the gas back on and get paid than fight against more of Europe. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The tying together of Biden's comments with the leak/sabotage would have been much more believable in March or April. I cant really think of a reason to blow up inactive (Nord 1) and never used (Nord 2) pipelines. The Russians already cut off supply of oil to Europe. Europe and the US are already aligned with Ukraine against Russia and no one will flip sides over a small "push" in either direction anymore. Biden's comments seemed to be a threat in immediate reaction to invasion and were made back when Nord 1 and Nord 2 were the big diplomatic chips being played before the invasion. Blowing up/damaging unused pipelines in retaliation for an invasion 8 months after the fact seems unlikely. >Want Europe to pop off with WW3 >Russia invades, Europe says Don't, Russia turns off gas, Looks like Europe is going to retaliate >Everything is going to plan >Europe gets cold feet, looks like they might surrender before war starts >Oh no, Russia could turn gas back on if Europe plays nice with them ... >Blow up an inactive pipeline to stop that from happening and get everybody cold, angry and back on war schedule That's why the US might do that. It's also why Russia might frame the US for doing that, but I bet Russia would rather turn the gas back on and get paid than fight against more of Europe. Based on what those in power have openly stated their goals to be, AND the fact that we already KNOW that the elites are looking to destroy Russia for their resistance to the NWO, I find this scenario to be the most likely. Whomever did this, they just kneecapped Russia's ability to offer an olive branch to the EU when it starts getting really cold and looking like a better option than continuing the conflict. Took that option right off the table. Fucking assholes. So next, who has the ability to do this? Finally, who OPENLY STATED they would "do something about that (those pipelines)"? Same guy who bragged about ST6 being the team that caught Bin Laden. Same guy who bragged about their voter fraud efforts. Same guy who is likely just the senile old face man for the Obama/Clinton/Soros team. So who did it? I can't figure it out! The US? Not necessarily. But I don't see any of the EU countries destroying an important pipeline into their own region. And I don't see Russia destroying two pipelines that become potential financial windfalls after the fighting is over. That leaves the US, China, and Ukraine. Of the three, only the US has the means, the motive, and the opportunity as well as a confession. |
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Posted: 9/27/2022 1:22:38 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Does anyone know if this is true?
Wouldn't be surprised |
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Posted: 9/27/2022 1:23:15 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: And then what? They divide the alliance, so that the embittered members can come to the table and seek... nothing now. I would invite you to be open to the possibility that we are not the good guys. That doesn't mean Russian subjugation of their neighbors is correct, or that Putin's not a despot, or that we aren't ultimately the lesser of the two evils. But that doesn't mean we can't still be evil. Our strength is our freedom to demand better of ourselves, irrespective of what our enemies say or do about us. They can have their own schemes and machinations, and they may think us divided and weak for our ability to make our leaders accountable, but that is our greatest asset that they will never be able to match. We can beat Russia AND still be the good guys. After all, their showing in Ukraine has shown that shouldn't be too hard to do. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: To pretend they didn't do it? And then what? They divide the alliance, so that the embittered members can come to the table and seek... nothing now. I would invite you to be open to the possibility that we are not the good guys. That doesn't mean Russian subjugation of their neighbors is correct, or that Putin's not a despot, or that we aren't ultimately the lesser of the two evils. But that doesn't mean we can't still be evil. Our strength is our freedom to demand better of ourselves, irrespective of what our enemies say or do about us. They can have their own schemes and machinations, and they may think us divided and weak for our ability to make our leaders accountable, but that is our greatest asset that they will never be able to match. We can beat Russia AND still be the good guys. After all, their showing in Ukraine has shown that shouldn't be too hard to do. I am open to anything where there is evidence. |
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Posted: 9/27/2022 1:24:00 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That much gas under serious pressure is going to expand massively. I don't see how you can say that without doing some calculations. Nordstream calculations are in metric and anyone who does those calculations are commies. |
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Posted: 9/27/2022 1:25:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Does anyone know if this is true?
It's 9/11 time 2843!!! |
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Posted: 9/27/2022 1:25:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's 9/11 time 2843!!! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Does anyone know if this is true?
It's 9/11 time 2843!!! Semtex can't melt steel pipes |
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Posted: 9/27/2022 1:26:02 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: And then what? They divide the alliance, so that the embittered members can come to the table and seek... nothing now. I would invite you to be open to the possibility that we are not the good guys. That doesn't mean Russian subjugation of their neighbors is correct, or that Putin's not a despot, or that we aren't ultimately the lesser of the two evils. But that doesn't mean we can't still be evil. Our strength is our freedom to demand better of ourselves, irrespective of what our enemies say or do about us. They can have their own schemes and machinations, and they may think us divided and weak for our ability to make our leaders accountable, but that is our greatest asset that they will never be able to match. We can beat Russia AND still be the good guys. After all, their showing in Ukraine has shown that shouldn't be too hard to do. You have to understand that people love or hate this country solely on their guy being or not being in the White House. They'll also believe any crazy wild ass idea if it can be used to gain even the slightest bit of political opinion against the opposition. |
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Posted: 9/27/2022 1:26:20 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Why would Russia blow it up, and not just turn it off? The economic version of burning your own ships. "No turning back now men." |
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Posted: 9/27/2022 1:26:47 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Based on what those in power have openly stated their goals to be, AND the fact that we already KNOW that the elites are looking to destroy Russia for their resistance to the NWO, I find this scenario to be the most likely. Whomever did this, they just kneecapped Russia's ability to offer an olive branch to the EU when it starts getting really cold and looking like a better option than continuing the conflict. Took that option right off the table. Fucking assholes. So next, who has the ability to do this? Finally, who OPENLY STATED they would "do something about that (those pipelines)"? Same guy who bragged about ST6 being the team that caught Bin Laden. Same guy who bragged about their voter fraud efforts. Same guy who is likely just the senile old face man for the Obama/Clinton/Soros team. So who did it? I can't figure it out! The US? Not necessarily. But I don't see any of the EU countries destroying an important pipeline into their own region. And I don't see Russia destroying two pipelines that become potential financial windfalls after the fighting is over. That leaves the US, China, and Ukraine. Of the three, only the US has the means, the motive, and the opportunity as well as a confession. B A S E D |
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Posted: 9/27/2022 1:27:42 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Nordstream calculations are in metric and anyone who does those calculations are commies. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: That much gas under serious pressure is going to expand massively. I don't see how you can say that without doing some calculations. Nordstream calculations are in metric and anyone who does those calculations are commies.  Attached File |
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Posted: 9/27/2022 1:28:18 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You have to understand that people love or hate this country solely on their guy being or not being the White House. They'll also believe any crazy wild ass idea if it can be used to gain even the slightest bit of political opinion against the opposition. Many here hate this country whether or not "their guy" is in the White House. But they're so committed to being the victim they'll never have a rational thought. |
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Posted: 9/27/2022 1:29:56 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I am open to anything where there is evidence. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: To pretend they didn't do it? And then what? They divide the alliance, so that the embittered members can come to the table and seek... nothing now. I would invite you to be open to the possibility that we are not the good guys. That doesn't mean Russian subjugation of their neighbors is correct, or that Putin's not a despot, or that we aren't ultimately the lesser of the two evils. But that doesn't mean we can't still be evil. Our strength is our freedom to demand better of ourselves, irrespective of what our enemies say or do about us. They can have their own schemes and machinations, and they may think us divided and weak for our ability to make our leaders accountable, but that is our greatest asset that they will never be able to match. We can beat Russia AND still be the good guys. After all, their showing in Ukraine has shown that shouldn't be too hard to do. I am open to anything where there is evidence. If the Gassled lines are wrecked next, you'll have your answer |
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Posted: 9/27/2022 1:29:56 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I am open to anything where there is evidence. At this point, I am suspect of any evidence provided by the current status quo supporters and base my worldview almost entirely on conjecture unless its especially damning. Not full schizo but definitely don't trust people who think a brace is a bump stock to give me the "real story". Just being honest with you and myself here. I hate to say it, as I normally consider myself pretty rational, but it's true at this point. I think that's emblematic of a lot of low-trust societies, where you see a propagation of conspiracy theories as no one trusts any of the major social institutions. You see it a lot in the 3rd world, especially the middle east. I always wondered how people could think that way, but what the hell, here I am now too. |
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