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Posted: 4/14/2020 10:54:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Don't consider it encryption. Most likely is only 40bit RC4. It's more digital privacy than encryption. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: If we can get this stuff nailed down, I'm looking forward to an Arf-approved Great Hootenanny frequency list  It won't work for hams...we are running encryption. Might get you our HF nets though. Don't consider it encryption. Most likely is only 40bit RC4. It's more digital privacy than encryption. Of course. For training purposes we call it encryption. For emergency use there are other radios with AES256 bit encryption... |
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Posted: 4/14/2020 11:08:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Of course. For training purposes we call it encryption. For emergency use there are other radios with AES256 bit encryption... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: If we can get this stuff nailed down, I'm looking forward to an Arf-approved Great Hootenanny frequency list It won't work for hams...we are running encryption. Might get you our HF nets though. Don't consider it encryption. Most likely is only 40bit RC4. It's more digital privacy than encryption. Of course. For training purposes we call it encryption. For emergency use there are other radios with AES256 bit encryption... Absolutely. And it's for sure better than nothing. I've setup all my P25 gear with AES so I know it's secure. But, this exercise is a great idea! More should do it. |
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Posted: 4/15/2020 9:49:56 AM EDT
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Is anyone running a Mac and able to get the TYT software to work? All I've found is an .exe related to the UV-380 radio on TYT's site.
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Posted: 4/15/2020 9:50:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: In! Thanks WTC @skydive70 ETA: later in the day on the 25th (unless it’s something I can do from work/ doesn’t require 100% attention) or any time on the 26th works for me. I'll do it! |
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Posted: 4/15/2020 9:52:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Got it, thanks! Ordering tonight. Just to be clear, the TYT 390 is not required for this exercise, correct? I only have Bao Feng handies, TYT is on order. @ben |
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Posted: 4/15/2020 9:55:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Just to be clear, the TYT 390 is not required for this exercise, correct? I only have Bao Feng handies, TYT is on order. @ben @skydive70 Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History Quoted: Do we have to run DMR, or will a regular ole baofeng cut it? The BF will work in this scenario. Baofengs are GTG. |
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Posted: 4/15/2020 10:29:16 AM EDT
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Ok all, please check my post immediately under the OP for the roster. I would like to get 1 to 3 more individuals involved. If you are interested but don't want to be named on the roster, PM me.
Also - does anyone on the roster have a TYT390 AND a hotspot (or will have one set up before the exercise)? Please PM me that info as well. |
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Posted: 4/15/2020 10:35:25 AM EDT
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I'll be able to do this.
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Posted: 4/15/2020 10:45:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Of course. For training purposes we call it encryption. For emergency use there are other radios with AES256 bit encryption... In! @rat6, queue my XOR81 encryption jokes? I "might have" compatible radios. Or they might arrive on time. |
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Posted: 4/15/2020 10:47:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'll be able to do this. |
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Posted: 4/15/2020 12:22:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ok all, please check my post immediately under the OP for the roster. I would like to get 1 to 3 more individuals involved. If you are interested but don't want to be named on the roster, PM me. Also - does anyone on the roster have a TYT390 AND a hotspot (or will have one set up before the exercise)? Please PM me that info as well. @LT_Beaker Info/ spec/ requirements on hotspot? |
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Posted: 4/15/2020 12:38:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @LT_Beaker Info/ spec/ requirements on hotspot? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Ok all, please check my post immediately under the OP for the roster. I would like to get 1 to 3 more individuals involved. If you are interested but don't want to be named on the roster, PM me. Also - does anyone on the roster have a TYT390 AND a hotspot (or will have one set up before the exercise)? Please PM me that info as well. @LT_Beaker Info/ spec/ requirements on hotspot? if you're interested lmk and I'll send you the guide to get it set up. This will likely be used a lot going forward. |
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Posted: 4/15/2020 12:40:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Search for jumbospot on eBay. Should be less than $100. Find a US shipper. if you're interested lmk and I'll send you the guide to get it set up. This will likely be used a lot going forward. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Ok all, please check my post immediately under the OP for the roster. I would like to get 1 to 3 more individuals involved. If you are interested but don't want to be named on the roster, PM me. Also - does anyone on the roster have a TYT390 AND a hotspot (or will have one set up before the exercise)? Please PM me that info as well. @LT_Beaker Info/ spec/ requirements on hotspot? if you're interested lmk and I'll send you the guide to get it set up. This will likely be used a lot going forward. Ok. Will look around to see if I can find one & let you know |
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Posted: 4/15/2020 12:51:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Search for jumbospot on eBay. Should be less than $100. Find a US shipper. if you're interested lmk and I'll send you the guide to get it set up. This will likely be used a lot going forward. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Ok all, please check my post immediately under the OP for the roster. I would like to get 1 to 3 more individuals involved. If you are interested but don't want to be named on the roster, PM me. Also - does anyone on the roster have a TYT390 AND a hotspot (or will have one set up before the exercise)? Please PM me that info as well. @LT_Beaker Info/ spec/ requirements on hotspot? if you're interested lmk and I'll send you the guide to get it set up. This will likely be used a lot going forward.   
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Posted: 4/15/2020 1:22:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Ok all, please check my post immediately under the OP for the roster. I would like to get 1 to 3 more individuals involved. If you are interested but don't want to be named on the roster, PM me. Also - does anyone on the roster have a TYT390 AND a hotspot (or will have one set up before the exercise)? Please PM me that info as well. @LT_Beaker Info/ spec/ requirements on hotspot? if you're interested lmk and I'll send you the guide to get it set up. This will likely be used a lot going forward. www.amazon.com/dp/B07BTS738L That will work. Lex found this one too: https://www.radioddity.com/products/mmdvm-hotspot-wifi |
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Posted: 4/15/2020 1:44:15 PM EDT
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Interested to see what y'all learn from this, and how we can try it here with my local group too.
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Posted: 4/15/2020 4:34:56 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/15/2020 4:40:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @mnd I mean I guess I've done at least three hikes... |
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Posted: 4/16/2020 2:09:55 AM EDT
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For those not in attendance, is there some online resources to read about best practices for comms that isn’t boomers in the ham forum talking about you need to know how to analyze antenna amperage to use a radio effectively?
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Posted: 4/16/2020 10:25:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: For those not in attendance, is there some online resources to read about best practices for comms that isn't boomers in the ham forum talking about you need to know how to analyze antenna amperage to use a radio effectively? The problem with radio/comms is that you truly need to "do it" to learn it. This is often why hams will harp on people to become licensed which can come off as condescending and is, therefore, off-putting. I don't personally know of any resources specific to team comms. I've tried to research it but you get slammed with ham stuff. What we are trying to do as APC is more closely related to commercial comms (relative to ham) and there is nearly zero open source documentation out there. This is probably because people make it their profession to set up and maintain commercial radio/comms systems for businesses. What I have personally found most helpful is to sift through the ham bs and pick out the nuggets of info that are relevant to your purpose and then sew them together. Radio Reference is a huge resource online and has some pretty solid documentation from folks asking questions. It almost always comes down to "what do you want to do?". The equipment required to talk among a tightly spaced team (HTs/Handhelds like Baofengs & TYT) is very different from what is needed to talk across town (mobile or base radio and larger, more permanent antenna) which is different from what is required to talk across the country (large base radio and even larger antenna). I will try to do a comprehensive AAR when this is over to dissect lessons learned etc. I've already learned a few  edit: I didn't see that you are a ham lol so, about being condescending  |
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Posted: 4/17/2020 12:58:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The problem with radio/comms is that you truly need to "do it" to learn it. This is often why hams will harp on people to become licensed which can come off as condescending and is, therefore, off-putting. I don't personally know of any resources specific to team comms. I've tried to research it but you get slammed with ham stuff. What we are trying to do as APC is more closely related to commercial comms (relative to ham) and there is nearly zero open source documentation out there. This is probably because people make it their profession to set up and maintain commercial radio/comms systems for businesses. What I have personally found most helpful is to sift through the ham bs and pick out the nuggets of info that are relevant to your purpose and then sew them together. Radio Reference is a huge resource online and has some pretty solid documentation from folks asking questions. It almost always comes down to "what do you want to do?". The equipment required to talk among a tightly spaced team (HTs/Handhelds like Baofengs & TYT) is very different from what is needed to talk across town (mobile or base radio and larger, more permanent antenna) which is different from what is required to talk across the country (large base radio and even larger antenna). I will try to do a comprehensive AAR when this is over to dissect lessons learned etc. I've already learned a few edit: I didn't see that you are a ham lol so, about being condescending Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: For those not in attendance, is there some online resources to read about best practices for comms that isn't boomers in the ham forum talking about you need to know how to analyze antenna amperage to use a radio effectively? The problem with radio/comms is that you truly need to "do it" to learn it. This is often why hams will harp on people to become licensed which can come off as condescending and is, therefore, off-putting. I don't personally know of any resources specific to team comms. I've tried to research it but you get slammed with ham stuff. What we are trying to do as APC is more closely related to commercial comms (relative to ham) and there is nearly zero open source documentation out there. This is probably because people make it their profession to set up and maintain commercial radio/comms systems for businesses. What I have personally found most helpful is to sift through the ham bs and pick out the nuggets of info that are relevant to your purpose and then sew them together. Radio Reference is a huge resource online and has some pretty solid documentation from folks asking questions. It almost always comes down to "what do you want to do?". The equipment required to talk among a tightly spaced team (HTs/Handhelds like Baofengs & TYT) is very different from what is needed to talk across town (mobile or base radio and larger, more permanent antenna) which is different from what is required to talk across the country (large base radio and even larger antenna). I will try to do a comprehensive AAR when this is over to dissect lessons learned etc. I've already learned a few edit: I didn't see that you are a ham lol so, about being condescending Thank you sir, looking forward to the AAR! |
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Posted: 4/18/2020 9:26:51 AM EDT
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All participants, please refer to the 2nd post in this thread and get back to me ASAP. Thank you!
@mentions below because of anti-spam rules. 4) @skydive70 5) @LexConcord 6) WhiskersTheCat link to post: Post |
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Posted: 4/18/2020 10:51:48 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/18/2020 10:54:05 AM EDT
[#24]
In for the AAR.
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Posted: 4/18/2020 11:00:24 AM EDT
[#25]
Unfortunately the entire week has become pretty slammed for me.
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Posted: 4/18/2020 5:18:34 PM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: All participants, please refer to the 2nd post in this thread and get back to me ASAP. Thank you! @mentions below because of anti-spam rules. 4) @skydive70 5) @LexConcord 6) WhiskersTheCat link to post: Post Pm sent. |
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Posted: 4/19/2020 10:46:48 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/20/2020 4:27:16 PM EDT
[#28]
Ok I got PMs from a few guys. Still need the rest. If you haven't contacted me, please do so ASAP! Thanks!
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Posted: 4/25/2020 9:35:39 AM EDT
[#29]
It begins.
Enroute |
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Posted: 4/25/2020 10:08:58 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/25/2020 10:13:36 AM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryObjective CHARMIN completed. |
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Posted: 4/25/2020 10:41:31 AM EDT
[#32]
Where's the AAR and lessons learned?
WE DEMAND ANSWERS, AND WE DEMAND THEM NOW! |
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Posted: 4/25/2020 10:54:54 AM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Where's the AAR and lessons learned? WE DEMAND ANSWERS, AND WE DEMAND THEM NOW! Message is still enroute. Objective NORTHERN was just reached and the message is on the way to objective COTTONELLE. Will provide AAR when complete |
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Posted: 4/25/2020 11:35:38 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/25/2020 11:37:45 AM EDT
[#35]
Objective COTTONELLE complete, message moving to objective ANGEL SOFT
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Posted: 4/25/2020 11:50:40 AM EDT
[#36]
Love how you're using tp as code names
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Posted: 4/25/2020 12:09:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Love how you're using tp as code names Nouvelle cleared, moving to objective SCOTT |
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Posted: 4/25/2020 12:18:36 PM EDT
[#38]
Obj NORTHERN to Obj COTTONELLE went smooth as a flushable wipe.
Whiskers use of the emergency word threw me off since it wasn’t in the challenge phrase. Saw 4 KARENs at NORTHERN exchanging sassy custom made shirts then proceeded to drink what I am assuming was Zinfandel in their coffee mugs. When coming off NORTHERN no tails were spotted, proceeded with a sweet razzle dazzle loopdy loo in a 7-11 parking lot and reversed course to make sure. After coming off of COTTONELLE no tails were spotted. Evaded any potential threats by having to rapidly pull over because urban camouflage (5 year old) decided they would get car sick. Comms went well. Clear as day. Had the back up radio monitoring the back up channels. |
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Posted: 4/25/2020 1:03:36 PM EDT
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As part of the supporting element unit Bravo, Arrived at Obj Angel Soft @1125
Made a quick surveillance detection route around Angel Soft. Spotted three vehicles in the immediate area that were of interest (motorcycle, gray sedan, green extended cab truck). @1130 immediately made contact with support element counterpart by transmitting misinformation challenges/responses. Continued to tx/rx misinformation messages until 1200. Was alerted to Police/VSP presence bY ctnsupra1 while on the obJective and further observed VSP make contact with potential KAREN in the parking lot. The contact’s affiliation with KAREN is in question: she had the demeanor of “wanting to talk to the manager” and her vehicle was adorned with level up stickers, but it was pointed out she did not sport the typical short cropped hair or abnormally large sun glasses. Further review is required. Verified sightings of KAREN was low an Angel Soft. Moved off target @ 1205. |
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Posted: 4/25/2020 2:03:47 PM EDT
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Angel soft was smooth, nearly Karen-free. I guess the Karens sent their disposable SO's out to take the risks today. Nouvelle was busy but all the Karens were in the line of the Starbucks drive-through.
Fire truck and ambulance pulled into Nouvelle as I was leaving, didn't see why. Kind of a nice area around there. Spotted tail, wagged tail, turned out was participant in this. Going forward I think: * rather than pull tight to the meet area, all we'd need to be is within a mile of it * the back and forth on radios was probably too long both from a comsec and opsec perspective. i realize that takes practice * in-person hand-offs also need to be worked on to counter enemy SIGINT |
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Posted: 4/25/2020 2:34:31 PM EDT
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AAR
Arrive at OBJ Cottonelle at 1015. Parking lot was nearly full with a line of ~200 Karens and regular civilians snaking around the make shift fencing out front. Received Tx from 58Teague on backup channel, Tac 15 on my Baofeng. I had tuned the TYT onto Guard VA, not Guard UA. Once that was sorted I received message and heading to OBJ Angelsoft around 1115. Arrived at OBJ Angelsoft 1135 and waited in the back of the lot and spotted a few KARENs as well as homeyclaus' vehicle. After keying up to make contact with homeyclaus I spotted VSP hiding behind the hedges in the parking lot. Skydive70 confirmed he was looking for unmasked KARENs. After successful Tx to homeyclaus, I waited 5 minutes and then headed out to HOR. Key Takeaways: 1. Triple check radio freqs 2. Always carry backup 3. Piss bottle was utilized 4. Sitting in a vehicle and running the radio with the engine off and radios charging will drain your battery |
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Posted: 4/25/2020 2:40:12 PM EDT
[#42]
Arrived AO ANGEL SOFT @ 1105 and continued past to refuel. Returned via west entrance and parked to observe @ 1120.
Began electronic signals @ 1125 and relocated @ 1130 to obtain visibility of south entrance. Departed after ME hand-off. RF comms worked well; could have stood off further. Need better earpiece/mic setup. Was unable to monitor admin comms close enough to respond to requests (unable to while in motion.) Need to avoid finding sharp objects with tires (riding on a rear flat at or above the speed limit is apparently possible, though not recommended.) Inspection of onboard toolkit was neglected and air-compressor failure was not identified until needed. :( |
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Posted: 4/25/2020 2:40:19 PM EDT
[#43]
ENDEX ENDEX ENDEX
AAR to follow. |
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Posted: 4/25/2020 2:47:40 PM EDT
[#44]
Well done gentlemen.
ETA: AAR
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Posted: 4/25/2020 3:16:08 PM EDT
[#45]
First big takeaway, TRUST YOUR TEAM.
Being the first transmitter, and not a receiver it was my goal to arrive at EXACTLY 1000. I was close and arrived at 0956. I opened communications EXACTLY at 1000. Used the challenge phrase and received the correct answer. "Running" was our distress word, and the very next thing I said was "Sorry, I'm running late." Return was "no problem, you're right on time". I didn't know if he actually knew I used the distress word and was being discreet or if it blew right past him. He did pick that up. Trust your team. Communications were flawless. Immediate response, solid copy. Using "break" between a large message is key. My counterpart found a better balance of using it than I did. I probably "break'd" too often. |
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Posted: 4/25/2020 3:33:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: First big takeaway, TRUST YOUR TEAM. Being the first transmitter, and not a receiver it was my goal to arrive at EXACTLY 1000. I was close and arrived at 0956. I opened communications EXACTLY at 1000. Used the challenge phrase and received the correct answer. "Running" was our distress word, and the very next thing I said was "Sorry, I'm running late." Return was "no problem, you're right on time". I didn't know if he actually knew I used the distress word and was being discreet or if it blew right past him. He did pick that up. Trust your team. Communications were flawless. Immediate response, solid copy. Using "break" between a large message is key. My counterpart found a better balance of using it than I did. I probably "break'd" too often. I break’d how you did when transmitting. For reading back I figured you were already looking at the numbers and could handle more info between pauses. I was happy you broke it up how you did. After we parted, I realized I didn’t repeat the emergency word and that would probably leave you hanging. So that was my bad. |
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Posted: 4/25/2020 3:56:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I break’d how you did when transmitting. For reading back I figured you were already looking at the numbers and could handle more info between pauses. I was happy you broke it up how you did. After we parted, I realized I didn’t repeat the emergency word and that would probably leave you hanging. So that was my bad. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: First big takeaway, TRUST YOUR TEAM. Being the first transmitter, and not a receiver it was my goal to arrive at EXACTLY 1000. I was close and arrived at 0956. I opened communications EXACTLY at 1000. Used the challenge phrase and received the correct answer. "Running" was our distress word, and the very next thing I said was "Sorry, I'm running late." Return was "no problem, you're right on time". I didn't know if he actually knew I used the distress word and was being discreet or if it blew right past him. He did pick that up. Trust your team. Communications were flawless. Immediate response, solid copy. Using "break" between a large message is key. My counterpart found a better balance of using it than I did. I probably "break'd" too often. I break’d how you did when transmitting. For reading back I figured you were already looking at the numbers and could handle more info between pauses. I was happy you broke it up how you did. After we parted, I realized I didn’t repeat the emergency word and that would probably leave you hanging. So that was my bad. Glad it was good on your end. I wanted to be careful not to give you to much at once since you needed to actually write. I liked how you read it back though, much quicker. (For those reading, I did four digits per break, USMC did 8 digits per break) I don't think you should have repeated the distress word. I think you handled it perfectly. Like I said, I just need to trust my team more. If you've been briefed on the distress word, I need to trust you to recognize the distress word. That's my bad, honestly. You played it so cool I thought you didn't understand. But playing it cool is the key to covert communications. Nice work. |
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Posted: 4/25/2020 4:08:06 PM EDT
[#48]
I'm home, been here a little bit.
There was actually some Spanish chatter on the primary ch IVO Obj Presto. For future reference there is also a DMR user of our Tac10 freq in that area with a strong signal, so that's one not to use around there. Tails? Not tailing this.   Attached FileNo Karens at Presto. Did see some cute zoomie chicks though. I saw Ben, but he probably has no idea that he saw me. |
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Posted: 4/25/2020 4:11:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm home, been here a little bit. There was actually some Spanish chatter on the primary ch IVO Obj Presto. For future reference there is also a DMR user of our Tac10 freq in that area with a strong signal, so that's one not to use around there. Tails? Not tailing this. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/181794/tailthis_JPG-1386120.JPG No Karens at Presto. Did see some cute zoomie chicks though. I saw Ben, but he probably has no idea that he saw me. I actually briefed LT_Beaker that I saw you driving in and getting settled before you and I started chatting on the radio... 
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Posted: 4/25/2020 4:16:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I actually briefed LT_Beaker that I saw you driving in and getting settled before you and I started chatting on the radio... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I'm home, been here a little bit. There was actually some Spanish chatter on the primary ch IVO Obj Presto. For future reference there is also a DMR user of our Tac10 freq in that area with a strong signal, so that's one not to use around there. Tails? Not tailing this. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/181794/tailthis_JPG-1386120.JPG No Karens at Presto. Did see some cute zoomie chicks though. I saw Ben, but he probably has no idea that he saw me. I actually briefed LT_Beaker that I saw you driving in and getting settled before you and I started chatting on the radio... WTF I thought Marines broke things, not observed things |
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