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Posted: 1/21/2019 9:01:52 PM EDT
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Opni
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Posted: 1/21/2019 9:05:38 PM EDT
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Plan for the worst, hope for the best.
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Posted: 1/21/2019 9:07:12 PM EDT
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balkanization.
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Posted: 1/21/2019 9:08:53 PM EDT
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When we win the civil war....
Deport all illegals Ban all forms of communism, marxism, socialism etc Legalize all ccw Abolish NFA Legalize everything for maximum freedom Gut the federal government and programs |
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Posted: 1/21/2019 9:09:49 PM EDT
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Can't vote our way out of it and the courts won't help.
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Posted: 1/21/2019 9:10:16 PM EDT
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Extinction level event that is genetically engineered to rid us of commie filth and their ilk. Or just an eradication campaign that I’m afraid not many people have the stomach for, or enough love of their own freedom to do what it’s going to take to actually secure that freedom and keep it.
2A was put in the Constitution so we would be within our rights to shoot anyone in the face who threatens our liberties. I believe it’s at that time. |
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Posted: 1/21/2019 9:11:23 PM EDT
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balkanization. |
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Posted: 1/21/2019 9:11:51 PM EDT
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If you take a real good look at Democrat party strongholds, it's basically every major city. Once shit goes down it doesn't look good for people who live in those cities due to the number of resources it takes to maintain them and the utter chaos that will happen when EBT doesn't matter anymore.
It sounds shitty, but honestly, half the population would starve in a matter of 3-6 months of a complete CW border to border. Less time in some areas during winter. In areas with strongholds and forces able to keep arteries of traffic and commerce going, or operational ports and humanitarian assistance, they could hold out a lot longer. In the long run, geographic differences and current population differences would kick in. The west with long stretches between major metropolitan areas would probably fall into the conservative side. The east coast would be a lot uglier and probably maintain liberal rule. |
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Posted: 1/21/2019 9:12:05 PM EDT
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balkanization. I'm willing to fight for that but I'm not sure fighting will keep our country whole and democratic. Demographics are going to kill us. Figuratively speaking (hopefully). |
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Posted: 1/21/2019 9:12:59 PM EDT
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Trump is the last gasp of freedom before we dive into socialism.
I wouldn’t be surprised if the democrats refuse to give up power after the next election. For our own good. |
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Posted: 1/21/2019 9:13:39 PM EDT
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I will have a coke.
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Posted: 1/21/2019 9:13:50 PM EDT
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No way that we can vote our way out of the coming leftist take over. Demographics are changing and it is just a matter of time before they have full control of the government. Lots of folks like to talk about civil war but even that is not going to change anything if you plan to have a democracy after it is all over. Say there was a civil war and conservative forces won. Now what? still the same demographics. They will just vote themselves back in power. So short of somehow eliminating about half the population of the country, what can be done prevent the coming leftist take over/socialism/communism/burn it to the groundism? Folks that know a lot more about all this than me, please convince me that there is some realistic way to avoid what is coming. I'm not really a doom and gloom sort of person but I just can't come up with an alternative future for our country. Change my mind. |
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Posted: 1/21/2019 9:16:19 PM EDT
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Extinction level event that is genetically engineered to rid us of commie filth and their ilk. Or just an eradication campaign that I’m afraid not many people have the stomach for, or enough love of their own freedom to do what it’s going to take to actually secure that freedom and keep it. 2A was put in the Constitution so we would be within our rights to shoot anyone in the face who threatens our liberties. I believe it’s at that time. But that would be the only way to avoid what is coming. So what is the solution? Get a lifetime prescription for Xanax and just sit back and enjoy the ride? |
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Posted: 1/21/2019 9:17:25 PM EDT
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Really as bad as it is, it's probably the best we can hope for. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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balkanization. But the reality is nothing will happen to stop it. We’ll all just sit around surfing this site bitching about it and talking about the good old days. |
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Posted: 1/21/2019 9:17:52 PM EDT
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What's coming is what is already happening to a small degree: voting with our feet. The tribalistic nature of human beings carries with it a biological imperative to surround ourselves with the like-minded because that's the only social environment that makes harmony and stability possible. Name one racially, ethnically, and religiously diverse population where there isn't conflict.
The future of what is now the USA is self-governing regions and perhaps a confederation of those regions for a national defense. In effect, government becomes more local, more accountable, and more representative of the people it serves. Once America becomes a minority-majority population, the forces of separation will magnify. It's just a matter of time. |
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Posted: 1/21/2019 9:17:59 PM EDT
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Really as bad as it is, it's probably the best we can hope for. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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balkanization. |
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Posted: 1/21/2019 9:18:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not sure I have the stomach for that and it is probably against the COC here to suggest it. But that would be the only way to avoid what is coming. So what is the solution? Get a lifetime prescription for Xanax and just sit back and enjoy the ride? |
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Posted: 1/21/2019 9:19:22 PM EDT
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So the dead will still vote after the next civil war??? Seems to me that if you went to all the trouble of having a 2nd civil war and you didn't kill enough of them to achieve your goals, then you're pretty damn stupid. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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No way that we can vote our way out of the coming leftist take over. Demographics are changing and it is just a matter of time before they have full control of the government. Lots of folks like to talk about civil war but even that is not going to change anything if you plan to have a democracy after it is all over. Say there was a civil war and conservative forces won. Now what? still the same demographics. They will just vote themselves back in power. So short of somehow eliminating about half the population of the country, what can be done prevent the coming leftist take over/socialism/communism/burn it to the groundism? Folks that know a lot more about all this than me, please convince me that there is some realistic way to avoid what is coming. I'm not really a doom and gloom sort of person but I just can't come up with an alternative future for our country. Change my mind. And for any mods reading this, I am not suggesting doing this. It is just a discussion of where we are headed. Please don't lock this. |
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Posted: 1/21/2019 9:19:22 PM EDT
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If it's impossible, how did we ever get a Democratic Republic in the first place?
Get You Head Out Of YOUR ASS. |
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Posted: 1/21/2019 9:19:35 PM EDT
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No way that we can vote our way out of the coming leftist take over. Demographics are changing and it is just a matter of time before they have full control of the government. Lots of folks like to talk about civil war but even that is not going to change anything if you plan to have a democracy after it is all over. Say there was a civil war and conservative forces won. Now what? still the same demographics. They will just vote themselves back in power. So short of somehow eliminating about half the population of the country, what can be done prevent the coming leftist take over/socialism/communism/burn it to the groundism? Folks that know a lot more about all this than me, please convince me that there is some realistic way to avoid what is coming. I'm not really a doom and gloom sort of person but I just can't come up with an alternative future for our country. Change my mind. |
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Posted: 1/21/2019 9:21:55 PM EDT
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balkanization. Unless you mean down to the level of the welfare filled neighborhood. Outside of Texas no state has a personal identify strong enough to cause a resident in one state to kill another for simply being from a different state. That's what it takes. |
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Posted: 1/21/2019 9:22:15 PM EDT
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I will have a coke. |
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Posted: 1/21/2019 9:22:36 PM EDT
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If it's impossible, how did we ever get a Democratic Republic in the first place? Get You Head Out Of YOUR ASS. |
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Posted: 1/21/2019 9:23:27 PM EDT
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Even if there was some type of civil war and the leftist socialist loons were crushed and the survivors driven from our lands there would still be a fight to control and remake what was left. The religious right would demand all sorts of insane stuff, while libertarians would demand something other, and those that believe in the strict interpretation of the constitution would be viewed as the crazy ones despite the war breaking out because we wanted to get back to the constitution in the first place.
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Posted: 1/21/2019 9:24:03 PM EDT
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We will be fine. People were spouting the same talking points in the early 90s.
Now we have MAGA |
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Posted: 1/21/2019 9:24:55 PM EDT
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Never gonna happen. Ever. Unless you mean down to the level of the welfare filled neighborhood. Outside of Texas no state has a personal identify strong enough to cause a resident in one state to kill another for simply being from a different state. That's what it takes. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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balkanization. Unless you mean down to the level of the welfare filled neighborhood. Outside of Texas no state has a personal identify strong enough to cause a resident in one state to kill another for simply being from a different state. That's what it takes. It would be tough. I have family that I love that would likely be on the other side. I'm guessing that I am not the only person in that situation. Very tough situation. |
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Posted: 1/21/2019 9:25:37 PM EDT
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No way that we can vote our way out of the coming leftist take over. Demographics are changing and it is just a matter of time before they have full control of the government. Lots of folks like to talk about civil war but even that is not going to change anything if you plan to have a democracy after it is all over. Say there was a civil war and conservative forces won. Now what? still the same demographics. They will just vote themselves back in power. So short of somehow eliminating about half the population of the country, what can be done prevent the coming leftist take over/socialism/communism/burn it to the groundism? Folks that know a lot more about all this than me, please convince me that there is some realistic way to avoid what is coming. I'm not really a doom and gloom sort of person but I just can't come up with an alternative future for our country. Change my mind. |
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Posted: 1/21/2019 9:26:15 PM EDT
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Trump is the last I wouldn’t be surprised if the democrats refuse to give up power after the next election. For our own good. I concur with the OP |
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Posted: 1/21/2019 9:26:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not sure I have the stomach for that and it is probably against the COC here to suggest it. But that would be the only way to avoid what is coming. So what is the solution? Get a lifetime prescription for Xanax and just sit back and enjoy the ride? |
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Posted: 1/21/2019 9:26:58 PM EDT
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Going to take a war. Win, lose, or draw
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Posted: 1/21/2019 9:27:37 PM EDT
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Even if there was some type of civil war and the leftist socialist loons were crushed and the survivors driven from our lands there would still be a fight to control and remake what was left. The religious right would demand all sorts of insane stuff, while libertarians would demand something other, and those that believe in the strict interpretation of the constitution would be viewed as the crazy ones despite the war breaking out because we wanted to get back to the constitution in the first place. Even here on this forum, a bastion of conservative, constitution loving, gun toting AMERICANS, there would be no real agreement on what the final product should look like. Even here, it seems, we are too divided to make a united stand. |
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Posted: 1/21/2019 9:28:04 PM EDT
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OPNI
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Posted: 1/21/2019 9:28:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So...how do you see us continuing with a representative republic democracy and not falling to socialism with the changes in demographics that are assuredly coming? ALL IS LOST!!! is bullshit. You fight until you die. |
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Posted: 1/21/2019 9:29:56 PM EDT
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Didn't we just have a thread about how "Hispanics" are trending much more heavily towards Trump than the MSM predicted? ALL IS LOST!!! is bullshit. You fight until you die. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: So...how do you see us continuing with a representative republic democracy and not falling to socialism with the changes in demographics that are assuredly coming? ALL IS LOST!!! is bullshit. You fight until you die. 
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Posted: 1/21/2019 9:32:55 PM EDT
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No way that we can vote our way out of the coming leftist take over On current course Liberty is lost On current course America is lost Drastic anti-2A measures inside of a decade 2A rights likely gone within two decades Meanwhile those who assert their respect Liberty as well as 2A aren't doing jack to change course, in fact most are actually helping the leftists cause. |
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Posted: 1/21/2019 9:40:32 PM EDT
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Trump is the last gasp of freedom before we dive into socialism. |
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Posted: 1/21/2019 9:42:31 PM EDT
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balkanization. Otherwise, never gonna happen without some other calamity influencing everything. |
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Posted: 1/21/2019 9:42:57 PM EDT
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Pretty much agree with the OP.
It'll be laughed at, but I think one option is we need more, better educated people on the right side to engage people on the left and show them where they're wrong. We need to intelligently change opinions, get people voting the other way. Is that possible? It doesn't feel like it. It's the one thing that keeps me from dumping things like Facebook entirely. I hate social media of that sort, but I try to share news stories on there that I know a lot of my connections on there aren't likely to see otherwise. What's going to kill us is the locust-like behavior of the left. They royally screw up their own turf, then spread out to a new place that leans right and slowly ruin that too. What we need is a wall around California and NYC. |
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Posted: 1/21/2019 9:44:07 PM EDT
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Plan for the worst, hope for the best. |
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Posted: 1/21/2019 9:48:01 PM EDT
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balkanization. |
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Posted: 1/21/2019 9:49:18 PM EDT
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In the final analysis, you must do what you believe is right, or you become one of them. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I will have a coke. |
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Posted: 1/21/2019 9:49:50 PM EDT
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Sadly, this. |
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Posted: 1/21/2019 9:50:55 PM EDT
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Will get ugly real fast in these hills should a two way range begin.
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Posted: 1/21/2019 9:53:32 PM EDT
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It would most likely be certain states that are booted out of the Union if Constitutionalists were the victors. The states that were Constitutionalist-run would be returned to a condition in which liberals couldn't bear and they would hopefully migrate to their utopia. The entitlements would be gone, free speech embraced, and the second amendment would be secured. You'd see 99% of liberals hit the road after some personal responsibility became common place.
As an added fail safe, there would need to be a serious discussion about the balance of representation in the republic. For instance, cities would have a significantly reduced power since they have proven to be a concentration of people who choose to vote themselves bread and circus. It is not right that such a small geographical area dictates the will of the entire state. Finally, we would need to clarify a few things. It would have to be undeniable that the bill of rights are exactly that. More of a reenforcement with defined punishments for any politicians acting in treason against the people. It would be clear that we are not a democracy, and that we are a republic. Any way, the list goes on. |
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Posted: 1/21/2019 9:53:50 PM EDT
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I believe if there was a civil war, the liberals would get a solid dose of reality of what the world is like outside their echo chambers, and when it was over they wouldn't be liberals anymore.
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Posted: 1/21/2019 9:54:24 PM EDT
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The divide is about half and half it’s this or war. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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balkanization. Even within the the largely red geographic core of the county there are large voting populations of leftists that want to burn it all down. Give them CA and WA and OR and NY and we still have a problem that is only going to get worse. Many traditionally red states are going to eventually turn blue. Then what? |
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Posted: 1/21/2019 9:55:27 PM EDT
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It would most likely be certain states that are booted out of the Union if Constitutionalists were the victors. The states that were Constitutionalist-run would be returned to a condition in which liberals couldn't bear and they would hopefully migrate to their utopia. The entitlements would be gone, free speech embraced, and the second amendment would be secured. You'd see 99% of liberals hit the road after some personal responsibility became common place. As an added fail safe, there would need to be a serious discussion about the balance of representation in the republic. For instance, cities would have a significantly reduced power since they have proven to be a concentration of people who choose to vote themselves bread and circus. It is not right that such a small geographical area dictates the will of the entire state. Finally, we would need to clarify a few things. It would have to be undeniable that the bill of rights are exactly that. More of a reenforcement with defined punishments for any politicians acting in treason against the people. It would be clear that we are not a democracy, and that we are a republic. Any way, the list goes on. |
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Posted: 1/21/2019 9:55:56 PM EDT
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The leftists are the true fascists and war will be the only way to rid them of this great nation.
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Posted: 1/21/2019 9:56:30 PM EDT
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Wtf is with all the “hey guys the sky is blue and water is wet... change my mind” threads??
You spout shit that most agree with on some level and want them to argue the opposite point?? |
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Posted: 1/21/2019 9:57:03 PM EDT
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Forget the U.S. to Mexico wall, let's build a wall and keep the libtards on their own side.
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