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Posted: 8/29/2010 5:38:50 AM EDT
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That's a Centurion. A leaky,old breaking down Centurion.
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Posted: 8/29/2010 6:13:38 AM EDT
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Quoted: That's a Centurion. A leaky,old breaking down Centurion. yup, and look at all the room inside! LOL looks like a lame movie. |
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Posted: 8/29/2010 6:21:34 AM EDT
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Not too many people have even heard of him let alone care about seeing a film about him, Hollywood would never take the risk, I think a movie about the Kursk tank battle is possible, with the CG effects they have now and IMAX it could be like the Sensurround version of 'Midway' that my father took me to see in the 70's.
Make it about Micheal Whitmann's Tiger I crew......I might be interested. Your right of course........ |
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Posted: 8/29/2010 6:21:51 AM EDT
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Looks happy.
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Posted: 8/29/2010 7:51:21 AM EDT
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That's a Centurion. A leaky,old breaking down Centurion. 
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Posted: 8/29/2010 8:04:18 AM EDT
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Interesting - probably hollywood-inaccurate-as-hell, but interesting... |
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Posted: 8/29/2010 8:05:51 AM EDT
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Quoted: Is there always that much water in the bottom of a tank? There can be, but there shouldn't be... At least on the M1, the driver has both a bilge pump switch and a drain valve handle with which to empty that out... |
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Posted: 8/29/2010 8:07:07 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Make it about Micheal Whitmann's Tiger I crew......I might be interested. This. The greatest Panzer commander who ever lived. Oh no! Wait a minute, now. Can't have hollywood ever make a movie in which a German is anything other than an absolute monster or a complete fool like Sergeant Schultz now, can we? Think about why that is for a moment. You just might be able to figure it out. Shalom. They could do it with a Soviet though - kind of like 'Enemy at the Gates'..... |
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Posted: 8/29/2010 8:08:37 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Don't be so sure. I drove around an M1 for weeks at Ft. Bliss with the sub-turret floor full of Diesel. IIRC, it was at least 6-10 inches deep. I think it was a leak in a fuel line. Hmmmmmm....diesel fuel in an M1? Long time ago, before JP8 standarization, they ran primarily on DF2. Hence, the DF2-operated engine smoke generator. M1s can run on pretty much any fuel invented, although prolonged MOGAS operation will trash the engine... |
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Posted: 8/29/2010 8:12:06 AM EDT
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Don't be so sure. I drove around an M1 for weeks at Ft. Bliss with the sub-turret floor full of Diesel. IIRC, it was at least 6-10 inches deep. I think it was a leak in a fuel line. Hmmmmmm....diesel fuel in an M1? Long time ago, before JP8 standarization, they ran primarily on DF2. Hence, the DF2-operated engine smoke generator. M1s can run on pretty much any fuel invented, although prolonged MOGAS operation will trash the engine... You had six inches of fuel on the floor and you drove around for weeks? The air quality inside the vehicle must have been deadly. |
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Posted: 8/29/2010 8:13:48 AM EDT
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As much as I'd love to see a great tank film, this looks like a "young Israili learns that war is bad, his country is an evil perpetrator of
aggression against pure and innocent people,and by extension, he himself, is a jew devil". Time Magazine and the NYT would only give rave reviews to such a film. I'll pass. |
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Posted: 8/29/2010 8:17:40 AM EDT
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Quoted: I watched the movie "LEBANON" in the theater today the tank crew never gets out of the tank in the whole movie! an Israeli paratrooper comes in to give them info about the mission, but the tankers never leave the tank I guess our fictional Israelis take 'Death before Dismount' rather seriously... More likely, 'it's a movie about a tank crew, what they do outside the tank isn't interesting to the folks who wrote the movie' all the outside scenes are viewed from the tanks periscope from inside I noticed none of the tank crew wears any protective head gear? I thought tankers wore tankers helmets? US tankers do. It's protection from hitting your head when the tank hits a big enough bump, AND active noise-cancellation (electronic ear-pro) that also functions as an intercom/radio headphone/mic set. The important part of wearing the helmet, is the ear-pro/intercom part - without it, it is VERY hard to hear in there, especially when folks are trying to shoot the various weapons... You can have 2 M240s and a 50cal all firing away within 4ft of each other... And that's just the MG's, not the main gun... Oh, and while shooting, everyone still needs to hear the TC, and the TC needs to hear everyone AND the radio... all in Hebrew with english sub-titles THE BEAST was a better movie than LEBANON  |
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Posted: 8/29/2010 8:20:59 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Don't be so sure. I drove around an M1 for weeks at Ft. Bliss with the sub-turret floor full of Diesel. IIRC, it was at least 6-10 inches deep. I think it was a leak in a fuel line. Hmmmmmm....diesel fuel in an M1? Long time ago, before JP8 standarization, they ran primarily on DF2. Hence, the DF2-operated engine smoke generator. M1s can run on pretty much any fuel invented, although prolonged MOGAS operation will trash the engine... You had six inches of fuel on the floor and you drove around for weeks? The air quality inside the vehicle must have been deadly. No, I didn't... Fuel on the floor would be a deadline... We wouldn't drive it... Apparently though, BillofRights did... The comment was referencing the type of fuel the tank ran on (Everything in the Army runs on JP8 now days, so 'diesel' is technically incorrect *now* - but the Army did run DF2 in tanks back before the switch-over)... |
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Posted: 8/29/2010 8:27:55 AM EDT
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Make it about Micheal Whitmann's Tiger I crew......I might be interested. Ditto |
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Posted: 8/29/2010 8:36:47 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: That's a Centurion. A leaky,old breaking down Centurion. http://www.empireonline.com/images/image_index/hw800/39290.jpg http://www.travel-images.com/pht/israel347.jpg Sho't Kal.  |
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Posted: 8/29/2010 8:38:43 AM EDT
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Never mind.
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Posted: 8/29/2010 8:47:35 AM EDT
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Make it about Micheal Whitmann's Tiger I crew......I might be interested. Now yer talkin'.
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Posted: 8/29/2010 9:36:47 AM EDT
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If you think that looks good, you're standards are down in the shitter. |
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Posted: 8/29/2010 10:51:09 AM EDT
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Quoted: If you think that looks good, you're standards are down in the shitter. It looks about like what Hollywood would expect being in a tank to be like.... |
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Posted: 8/29/2010 10:52:37 AM EDT
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDpGUGZp_dQ&feature=related
here's some real live news footage of the war in Lebanon 1982 notice the tanks they are using |
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Posted: 8/29/2010 11:00:21 AM EDT
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The German Tankers name is Wittmann, not "whitman" dammit
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Posted: 8/29/2010 11:10:35 AM EDT
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Make it about Micheal Whitmann's Tiger I crew......I might be interested. Ain't that the truth. At least the movie time would be taken up by brewing up tanks and avoiding allied air instead of political BS. |
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Posted: 8/29/2010 2:57:59 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Is there always that much water in the bottom of a tank? There can be, but there shouldn't be... At least on the M1, the driver has both a bilge pump switch and a drain valve handle with which to empty that out... on a Bradley, the only way you have water under the floor boards is if the driver forgot to close up the drain plugs. |
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Posted: 8/30/2010 6:18:41 AM EDT
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Make it about Micheal Whitmann's Tiger I crew......I might be interested. This. The greatest Panzer commander who ever lived. Oh no! Wait a minute, now. Can't have hollywood ever make a movie in which a German is anything other than an absolute monster or a complete fool like Sergeant Schultz now, can we? Think about why that is for a moment. You just might be able to figure it out. Shalom. They could do it with a Soviet though - kind of like 'Enemy at the Gates'..... Yeah but soviet tankers tended to have a much shorter lifespan than ze germans... |
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Posted: 8/30/2010 6:28:38 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Don't be so sure. I drove around an M1 for weeks at Ft. Bliss with the sub-turret floor full of Diesel. IIRC, it was at least 6-10 inches deep. I think it was a leak in a fuel line. Hmmmmmm....diesel fuel in an M1? Long time ago, before JP8 standarization, they ran primarily on DF2. Hence, the DF2-operated engine smoke generator. M1s can run on pretty much any fuel invented, although prolonged MOGAS operation will trash the engine... You had six inches of fuel on the floor and you drove around for weeks? The air quality inside the vehicle must have been deadly. No, I didn't... Fuel on the floor would be a deadline... We wouldn't drive it... Apparently though, BillofRights did... The comment was referencing the type of fuel the tank ran on (Everything in the Army runs on JP8 now days, so 'diesel' is technically incorrect *now* - but the Army did run DF2 in tanks back before the switch-over)... Our M106s (113s) always had some sludge under the floor panels. We got new ones in 1996 with the Soltam 120s; when we took the floor panels off and nearly cried they were so clean. |
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Posted: 8/30/2010 6:30:42 AM EDT
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Make it about Micheal Whitmann's Tiger I crew......I might be interested. Ain't that the truth. At least the movie time would be taken up by brewing up tanks and avoiding allied air instead of political BS. If about Whitmann, most of it would be of him obliterating Red Army Tanks and guns. His Tiger tank's run through Villers-Bocage would be absolutely brutal. |
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Posted: 8/30/2010 6:48:16 AM EDT
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I'll see you your "Beast of War" and raise you one "Sahara". Much better movie IMO. The one with the matthew mcconaughey in it? That movie? You can't be talking about THAT "Sahara". It isn't even a tank movie. You have to mean This one: Sahara Never seen it, but it has Bogey in it. I'll see if I can get it on Netflix. The Bogey one is very good. It's a little corny, but, overall, I'd recommend it. It's one of the few movies with an M3 tank in it. |
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Posted: 8/30/2010 7:12:57 AM EDT
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Our M106s (113s) always had some sludge under the floor panels. We got new ones in 1996 with the Soltam 120s; when we took the floor panels off and nearly cried they were so clean. Nasty, nasty shit would come out when we ran the bilge pumps on these: 
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Posted: 8/30/2010 7:13:38 AM EDT
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The Beast
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Posted: 9/4/2010 8:26:54 PM EDT
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I noticed none of the tank crew wears any protective head gear? I thought tankers wore tankers helmets? I was very turned off by the interior scenes on the clips I saw. They might as well have filmed it inside a submarine's hull for all the room they have in there. Driver also seems to be in the compartment with the turret crew. And, of course, the lack of headsets. Not all tankers wear helmets, but intercoms are required. NTM |
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Posted: 9/15/2010 6:30:36 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/15/2010 7:11:16 AM EDT
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The German Tankers name is Wittmann, not "whitman" dammit Ooops......sorry I started that. And worse I know it's Wittman and still miss spelled it. 
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Posted: 9/15/2010 7:29:41 AM EDT
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Make it about Micheal Whitmann's Tiger I crew......I might be interested. Ain't that the truth. At least the movie time would be taken up by brewing up tanks and avoiding allied air instead of political BS. If about Whitmann, most of it would be of him obliterating Red Army Tanks and guns. His Tiger tank's run through Villers-Bocage would be absolutely brutal. Wittman [or any of the SS panzer aces] would be great charcter studies. Wittman was a war hero and a humble one, who was a classic example of professional soldier. The fact that he was also a nazi and member of 1st SS panzer div LAH makes the his story more complcated. But I feel that if done right the story could be told without giving the neo nazi crowd a stiffy. |
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Posted: 9/15/2010 7:39:55 AM EDT
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Needs more 19-kilo love.
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Posted: 9/16/2010 5:49:50 AM EDT
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Make it about Micheal Whitmann's Tiger I crew......I might be interested. Ain't that the truth. At least the movie time would be taken up by brewing up tanks and avoiding allied air instead of political BS. If about Whitmann, most of it would be of him obliterating Red Army Tanks and guns. His Tiger tank's run through Villers-Bocage would be absolutely brutal. Wittman [or any of the SS panzer aces] would be great charcter studies. Wittman was a war hero and a humble one, who was a classic example of professional soldier. The fact that he was also a nazi and member of 1st SS panzer div LAH makes the his story more complcated. But I feel that if done right the story could be told without giving the neo nazi crowd a stiffy. I wouldn't mind seeing Tigers in the Mud as a movie but perhaps the German anti-hero that might be most worthy of a movie would be Kurt Knispel Even though he was the top German tank ace,he never got much recognition due to his "Un-National Socialist tendencies" and IIRC was even arrested once or twice. He was somewhat of a young German Pappy Boyington in a Tiger. |
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Posted: 9/16/2010 6:02:34 AM EDT
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nice
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Posted: 9/16/2010 6:30:39 AM EDT
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The movie is basically autobiographical. It's written and directed by a former Israeli tank gunner who, at age 20, was part of the initial invasion of Lebanon in 1982.
Whatever political bias may be in the movie is his own. Haven't seen it. |
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Posted: 9/16/2010 6:45:57 AM EDT
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Quoted: Was it even filmed in a tank? From the trailer it looks pretty fucking roomy in there, certainly MuCH roomier than any tank I've been in. I've never been in a merkava, so who knows, maybe they built them to party. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile It might be difficult to fit a camera crew and lights into a real tank. |
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Posted: 9/16/2010 8:24:46 AM EDT
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I made it ten fucking minutes. The infantry officer jumps into the tank and can stand, turn around, and flail his arms around without hitting anything. Realism points: 0.
On to the scene where the "new guy" is bitching,whining and generally being insubordinate to the tank commander in front of the regular guys for a good 3 minutes, and the tank commander just takes it without argument or pimp slap. WTF scale: 11/10 
I'll watch it later. I'm going to have to agree, this movie is no The Beast. |
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Posted: 9/16/2010 8:34:41 AM EDT
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Make it about Micheal Whitmann's Tiger I crew......I might be interested. Ain't that the truth. At least the movie time would be taken up by brewing up tanks and avoiding allied air instead of political BS. If about Whitmann, most of it would be of him obliterating Red Army Tanks and guns. His Tiger tank's run through Villers-Bocage would be absolutely brutal. Wittman [or any of the SS panzer aces] would be great charcter studies. Wittman was a war hero and a humble one, who was a classic example of professional soldier. The fact that he was also a nazi and member of 1st SS panzer div LAH makes the his story more complcated. But I feel that if done right the story could be told without giving the neo nazi crowd a stiffy. Well at the time, if you wanted to be in Panzers, the SS was the way to go. They had all the top of the line Panzers, the Heer had seconds. |
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