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Posted: 1/21/2021 10:44:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Would you say that... PSA has lost a customer? No. Doh! I lol'd |
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Posted: 1/21/2021 10:44:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I wouldn't return shit that I had in my hand. Not right now. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I wouldn’t expect them to disassemble it and mic the parts but they are AR rifle manufacturers and parts sellers. A quick visual ain’t too much to ask for IMHO. Well, not too much to ask but completely unrealistic. Its a TC from PSA dude.. during crazy times. Stake it and run it I wouldn't return shit that I had in my hand. Not right now. My brother bought a PSA upper during the 0bama panic, about a month after Sandy Hook. BCG not staked. He sent that back, kept the upper and hought a BCG from Bravo. 8 months later he got a new, staked BCG back from PSA. Yeah, no fucking way would I return a part for a minor issue like that in this climate. |
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Posted: 1/21/2021 10:45:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Or even wtf staking is. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Wat. That's like expecting Walmart to inspect every piece of merchandise before they sell it. Well... was this a standalone purchase or a complete upper? If it was just purchased as a bare bcg then I'd have zero expectation that PSA is running a QC check on Toolcrafts staking. I wouldn't expect them to disassemble it and mic the parts but they are AR rifle manufacturers and parts sellers. A quick visual ain't too much to ask for IMHO. Or even wtf staking is. You guys have a point. Just pisses me off to see crappy work. |
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Posted: 1/21/2021 10:45:43 PM EDT
[#4]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What about parts? Would you return parts? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I wouldn't return shit that I had in my hand. Not right now. What about parts? Would you return parts? Lol, of course. |
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Posted: 1/21/2021 10:50:29 PM EDT
[#5]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You guys have a point. Just pisses me off to see crappy work. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Wat. That's like expecting Walmart to inspect every piece of merchandise before they sell it. Well... was this a standalone purchase or a complete upper? If it was just purchased as a bare bcg then I'd have zero expectation that PSA is running a QC check on Toolcrafts staking. I wouldn't expect them to disassemble it and mic the parts but they are AR rifle manufacturers and parts sellers. A quick visual ain't too much to ask for IMHO. Or even wtf staking is. You guys have a point. Just pisses me off to see crappy work. Yeah I get that. Good luck either way, but like that post above yours says I sure wouldn't send it back unless you don't need it for a while. I've done one or two myself with a punch. I'll stake it for you no charge and 1 day turnaround if you want. No promises on beauty but it won't come loose when I'm done with it 
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Posted: 1/21/2021 10:53:37 PM EDT
[#6]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I wouldn’t expect them to disassemble it and mic the parts but they are AR rifle manufacturers and parts sellers. A quick visual ain’t too much to ask for IMHO. No store/reseller is going to pull parts out of manufacturer packaging and inspect something that should have already been QC'd. This is on TC, but send it back to PSA and they'll make it right. |
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Posted: 1/21/2021 10:56:15 PM EDT
[#7]
Quote HistoryPoverty Pony is best pony |
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Posted: 1/21/2021 10:57:09 PM EDT
[#8]
Mine. I'll stake them no big deal.
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Posted: 1/21/2021 10:59:30 PM EDT
[#9]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I wouldn't return shit that I had in my hand. Not right now. Top stake it old school style and move on with life. |
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Posted: 1/21/2021 11:02:53 PM EDT
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From my post
I'd take a good look at the bolt carrier staking tool from Brownells. It allows you to get good purchase on the carrier if you need to install a new gas key or replace one. Larger quantities of gas key screws can also be found at McMaster-Carr here. The product number is 92610A190. A couple inch-pound wrenches are good to have around. I use this for carrier key screws and scope mounts. |
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Posted: 1/21/2021 11:05:39 PM EDT
[#11]
Are keys flying the fuck off left and right? Or is this the same thing as people putting a colonoscopy camera into every part of a rifle looking for rust
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Posted: 1/21/2021 11:07:49 PM EDT
[#12]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Mine. I'll stake them no big deal. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/14209/20210121_215455-1790751.jpg ye i aint tripping either, but shoot there's at least 6 on this site right now.. heh, at almost twice the 'normal' price not very kosher.. who knows when we will see these at 70-80 bucks again. maybe not for a while at this rate |
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Posted: 1/21/2021 11:10:08 PM EDT
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I recently bought a "ToolCraft" parkerized FA C158 BCG, I noticed weak staking. Which seemed odd to me, I have ordered several TC BCG in the past and never seen the bolts used to hold on the gas key or weak staking.
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Posted: 1/21/2021 11:32:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Are keys flying the fuck off left and right? Or is this the same thing as people putting a colonoscopy camera into every part of a rifle looking for rust It's not that they'll fly off, it's that they will leak gas and cause your rifle to short stroke at what might be a bad time. |
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Posted: 1/21/2021 11:56:05 PM EDT
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I had to check mine after seeing this. My most recent Toolcraft BCG from PSA had light staking that barely engaged the gas key bolts. I tightened them down and started staking them farther with a spring center punch, but the oily BCG slipped in my hand and I somehow staked the hell out of my hand. Be careful!
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Posted: 1/21/2021 11:58:15 PM EDT
[#16]
My Armalite carrier wasn't staked. Only took it 20 years to come loose.
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Posted: 1/22/2021 7:30:13 AM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: With all the shit going on now I guess quality is a little too much to ask for. Fucking junk. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: There was an attempt, but it was a piss poor one at that. With all the shit going on now I guess quality is a little too much to ask for. Fucking junk. Have your husband stake it? |
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Posted: 1/22/2021 7:37:00 AM EDT
[#18]
Stake it yourself and move on.
NBD. |
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Posted: 1/22/2021 7:41:57 AM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Are keys flying the fuck off left and right? Or is this the same thing as people putting a colonoscopy camera into every part of a rifle looking for rust Amazon part # for scope ? This is the way that i didnt know about. |
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Posted: 1/22/2021 7:53:09 AM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I wouldn't return shit that I had in my hand. Not right now. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I wouldn't expect them to disassemble it and mic the parts but they are AR rifle manufacturers and parts sellers. A quick visual ain't too much to ask for IMHO. Well, not too much to ask but completely unrealistic. Its a TC from PSA dude.. during crazy times. Stake it and run it I wouldn't return shit that I had in my hand. Not right now. |
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Posted: 1/22/2021 7:55:18 AM EDT
[#21]
Decided to stake it myself. Gives me a good reason to buy a couple of new tools. Last night I had a case of pissed off. This morning looks better.
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Posted: 1/22/2021 8:01:56 AM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Decided to stake it myself. Gives me a good reason to buy a couple of new tools. Last night I had a case of pissed off. This morning looks better. |
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Posted: 1/22/2021 8:07:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah, it’s going back. I’m not doing their work for them. Seems kind of silly. Waste time to package it back up, take it where ever you decide to ship from. Wait for it to come back. I received 2 carriers from Palmetto State that weren't staked. Took me 5 minutes to go into the basement, find the hammer and punch and stake the 4 screws . Done. With no bitching and bellyaching. Maybe send a message to Josiah. See what he says. |
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Posted: 1/22/2021 8:08:16 AM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I recently bought a "ToolCraft" parkerized FA C158 BCG, I noticed weak staking. Which seemed odd to me, I have ordered several TC BCG in the past and never seen the bolts used to hold on the gas key or weak staking. You would think an outfit like TC would run them through some kind of fixture that stakes them consistently every time. All of mine have looked perfect. |
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Posted: 1/22/2021 8:14:42 AM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Umm, there's no staking on a bolt. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: WTF, I'm going to have to inspect my bolts now, just to make sure. I didn't know this was a thing. Umm, there's no staking on a bolt. I just checked all my bolts. None of them are staked. Guess I'll die.
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Posted: 1/22/2021 8:16:19 AM EDT
[#26]
Red Loctite that bad boy and get on with life
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Posted: 1/22/2021 8:24:30 AM EDT
[#27]
The crap the arfcom drama lamas worry about.
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Posted: 1/22/2021 8:27:59 AM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The crap the arfcom drama lamas worry about. This |
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Posted: 1/22/2021 8:29:54 AM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Seems kind of silly. Waste time to package it back up, take it where ever you decide to ship from. Wait for it to come back. I received 2 carriers from Palmetto State that weren't staked. Took me 5 minutes to go into the basement, find the hammer and punch and stake the 4 screws . Done. With no bitching and bellyaching. Maybe send a message to Josiah. See what he says. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Yeah, it’s going back. I’m not doing their work for them. Seems kind of silly. Waste time to package it back up, take it where ever you decide to ship from. Wait for it to come back. I received 2 carriers from Palmetto State that weren't staked. Took me 5 minutes to go into the basement, find the hammer and punch and stake the 4 screws . Done. With no bitching and bellyaching. Maybe send a message to Josiah. See what he says. Nah....clear heads prevailed when the sun came up. I’m just gonna stake it myself. |
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Posted: 1/22/2021 8:30:56 AM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Nah....clear heads prevailed when the sun came up. I'm just gonna stake it myself. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Yeah, it's going back. I'm not doing their work for them. Seems kind of silly. Waste time to package it back up, take it where ever you decide to ship from. Wait for it to come back. I received 2 carriers from Palmetto State that weren't staked. Took me 5 minutes to go into the basement, find the hammer and punch and stake the 4 screws . Done. With no bitching and bellyaching. Maybe send a message to Josiah. See what he says. Nah....clear heads prevailed when the sun came up. I'm just gonna stake it myself.
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Posted: 1/22/2021 8:34:27 AM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The crap the arfcom drama lamas worry about. This Yep. Let my mouth overload my brain. Just seeing that new carrier with no staking and loose bolts ticked me off. Ordered some new tools this morning. All good. |
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Posted: 1/22/2021 9:12:55 AM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The crap the arfcom drama lamas worry about. Yep. |
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Posted: 1/22/2021 9:23:08 AM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: No store/reseller is going to pull parts out of manufacturer packaging and inspect something that should have already been QC'd. This is on TC, but send it back to PSA and they'll make it right. To be fair PSA owns Toolcraft now, so either way it kinda ends up on them. |
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Posted: 1/22/2021 9:30:07 AM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This morning looks better. The day is early. It’ll go downhill soon enough. |
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Posted: 1/22/2021 9:33:57 AM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Brownells sells a staking tool. HERE Why would I spend $85 on that when I already have a perfectly good hammer and chisel
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Posted: 1/22/2021 9:36:36 AM EDT
[#36]
pretty clearly someone tried to stake that and just did a bad job at it. i'd bet that functions just as well as whatever you think of a properly staked rifle looks given tightened properly you don't need to stake it in the first place.
and people wonder why the EE participation is so tiny compared to the overall membership  |
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Posted: 1/22/2021 9:49:58 AM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: To be fair PSA owns Toolcraft now, so either way it kinda ends up on them. That gets brought up in a lot of PSA threads but I haven't found anything confirming it. PSA's parent company (JJE Holdings) doesn't have them listed as one of their portfolio companies. |
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Posted: 1/22/2021 9:53:32 AM EDT
[#38]
Manage your expectations.
Stop expecting top tier product from budget suppliers. Buy a dang punch, fix it and stop whining, it's not rocket surgery. Even without staking, nobody is shooting enough right now to work it loose
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Posted: 1/22/2021 9:54:39 AM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/54857/P_MOACKS_png-1790632.JPG Pocket Moacks Tool I bought this years ago and for me solved all of my staking issues. +1 Got one years ago when you could buy bolt carriers and bolts cheaper than finding complete BCGs. Recently found complete bolts for about $35, but could not find any stripped carriers.  I need a couple of BCG's, and I noticed in the last two weeks prices have gone up $40 to $60. |
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Posted: 1/22/2021 10:01:47 AM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I should have bought a staking tool awhile back but I’ve never had any issues till now. I’m not doing their work for them. I just use a big steel set punch from Home Depot. I’ve staked all kinds of stuff with it. |
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Posted: 1/22/2021 10:06:30 AM EDT
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PSA isn't opening and inspecting every BCG they get from tool craft. No idea what their QC and acceptance procedures are but I also doubt they are doing an acceptance inspection at tool craft prior to packaging and delivery. At best, they are doing a statistical sample inspection upon arrival at PSA.
So, one get's through. Let PSA know and they'll let tool craft know. If it's just the one, oh well. If they have a lot of customers complaining, bad batch. If it's a bunch of batches, then it's a bigger issue and they'll work the problem. That's how mass production works. If you want a BCG that has had 100% inspection at multiple points along the line then again by the reseller then expect to pay for it. But, even then something will squeak through every now and then. |
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Posted: 1/22/2021 10:22:14 AM EDT
[#42]
Anybody have a good source for a quality bcg
? I need 1 more.
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Posted: 1/22/2021 10:48:10 AM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Mine. I'll stake them no big deal. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/14209/20210121_215455-1790751.jpg Those look fine to me. I have a couple of old colts that look like that. |
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Posted: 1/22/2021 10:49:12 AM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: pretty clearly someone tried to stake that and just did a bad job at it. i'd bet that functions just as well as whatever you think of a properly staked rifle looks given tightened properly you don't need to stake it in the first place. and people wonder why the EE participation is so tiny compared to the overall membership Thanks for getting "the stupidest thing I will read today" out of the way early for me. I can now look forward to the rest of my day. |
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Posted: 1/22/2021 10:50:06 AM EDT
[#45]
What sort of punch should one use for staking?
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Posted: 1/22/2021 10:58:06 AM EDT
[#46]
*just as good
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Posted: 1/22/2021 10:59:30 AM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Brownells sells a staking tool. HERE Can you imagine what the rest of the quality is like? Probably not tempered correctly either. I wouldn't take a chance on it. |
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Posted: 1/22/2021 11:00:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Thanks for getting "the stupidest thing I will read today" out of the way early for me. I can now look forward to the rest of my day. He's not wrong for the levels of fire most guns see. I usually stake my stuff, it's cheap insurance, but quality bolts properly torqued rarely come loose. Staking doesn't make anything stronger, and it doesn't take much interference at all to prevent a bolt from loosening. All the internet experts that read some threads but have little first hand experience are exhausting... |
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Posted: 1/22/2021 11:01:31 AM EDT
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Step 1 put bcg on bench Step 2 place old/dull/cheapo chisel on attempted staking mark Step 3 whack chisel with hammer Step 4 repeat for all 4 locations Total time: less than it took you to post the OP. |
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Posted: 1/22/2021 11:02:55 AM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Are keys flying the fuck off left and right? Or is this the same thing as people putting a colonoscopy camera into every part of a rifle looking for rust Yes. I’ve had one come loose and cause short stroking. Saw the same thing happen to a buddy a CW FO Three. They need to be staked. |
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