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10/7/2022 10:02:00 PM EDT
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10/7/2022 10:15:43 PM EDT
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I say this with a remarkably heavy heart, but this measure is so much worse than any of us contemplate. AND NO ONE IS TALKING ABOUT IT.

Because the drafters don't understand guns, this measure actually bans most magazines for semi-auto firearms (outside your home or at the range), which is an effective ban on semi-auto firearms.  

Per the measure, "large capacity magazines" are magazines that accept more than 10 rounds, or those that can be "changed, or converted to accept, more than 10 rounds of ammunition."

And Section 11(1)(d)(A) of the measure further clarifies that "large capacity magazines" do not include any magazines that are "permanently altered so that [they are] not capable, now or in the future, of accepting more than 10 rounds of ammunition."  

So where do we land on the legality of mags that hold 10 or less rounds?

The massive problem here is "in the future".

As we are all aware, almost every magazine known to us has a kit somewhere that can change the mag to allow it to accept additional ammo.  There are 61 such kits on Brownells as I type this.  

Even if you do not have such a kit installed on your mag, your mag is illegal under this measure, because someone could, "in the future," alter your mag to make it capable of accepting more than 10 rounds.    

Take, for example, the Glock 26.  10 round mag, right?  Should be good to go, right?

Welp, this exists.

Even if you don't own this kit, your Glock 26 mag is capable, "in the future" of being changed or altered to accept more than 10 rounds.  Your mag is illegal, and you can't carry it outside your home under this measure.

I appreciate this will come down to cops and DAs making decisions, but the measure is pretty clear.

This measure is a disaster.  And no one knows how bad it is.  

 




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Don't forget full length shotgun tubes and mini shells...

Also under section 4(6)(a) removes your right to receive a firearm. Aka eliminating the 2A for any future purchasers.
"A permit-to-purchase issued under this section does not create any right of the permit holder to receive a firearm."
10/8/2022 1:05:27 PM EDT
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The 2A Rally at the Capitol is Saturday from Noon to 4.  Great time to meet fellow 2A supporters and hear from quite a few powerful speakers.

We're getting to the big push before ballots are mailed out on the 19th.  It's critical that we all get together to spread the word.  The Oregonian has already posted their poll with an assumption that 51% of liberals supporting the measure actually means 73%, since the "educated" voters will most surely support this BS.  The knives are being drawn. We need to be aware and fight back.

For those of you outside of Oregon, the measure is mainly sponsored by the Gifford Foundation. They essentially went shopping for a group that could submit the legislation and found a group of anti gunners in Portland willing to participate.  The measure has wording copied from the Illinois permit laws which, once again, shows it's not a grass roots effort, it's an attack from national groups.  If this passes, it will embolden the organizers to try this in other states.  It means that we're being attacked from a well funded foe and need help.  The best way I know of to help is to donate to Oregon Firearms Federation (OFF-PAC) . They are the only 100% second amendment, no compromise, support group in the state. web site   and here's the one to the donation page..  I can't stress how important this to the country and how much everyone's help is needed.

ETA: here's the link to the Stop 114 web page.  You can donate there as well.

https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/444670/114Rally8Oct2022_png-2552654.JPG
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I don't think I'm going to make it to the capital today. Here's a bump in case anyone missed it.
10/8/2022 1:19:34 PM EDT
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I don't think I'm going to make it to the capital today. Here's a bump in case anyone missed it.
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The 2A Rally at the Capitol is Saturday from Noon to 4.  Great time to meet fellow 2A supporters and hear from quite a few powerful speakers.

We're getting to the big push before ballots are mailed out on the 19th.  It's critical that we all get together to spread the word.  The Oregonian has already posted their poll with an assumption that 51% of liberals supporting the measure actually means 73%, since the "educated" voters will most surely support this BS.  The knives are being drawn. We need to be aware and fight back.

For those of you outside of Oregon, the measure is mainly sponsored by the Gifford Foundation. They essentially went shopping for a group that could submit the legislation and found a group of anti gunners in Portland willing to participate.  The measure has wording copied from the Illinois permit laws which, once again, shows it's not a grass roots effort, it's an attack from national groups.  If this passes, it will embolden the organizers to try this in other states.  It means that we're being attacked from a well funded foe and need help.  The best way I know of to help is to donate to Oregon Firearms Federation (OFF-PAC) . They are the only 100% second amendment, no compromise, support group in the state. web site   and here's the one to the donation page..  I can't stress how important this to the country and how much everyone's help is needed.

ETA: here's the link to the Stop 114 web page.  You can donate there as well.

https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/444670/114Rally8Oct2022_png-2552654.JPG


I don't think I'm going to make it to the capital today. Here's a bump in case anyone missed it.
Capitol trip is too much for myself as well, for gas reasons.

I've been sharing the stop114 links on LEV and Vote114 tweets when I remember. Using some of the lefts favorite talking points at times

I hate Twitter, but will up the harassment there

GP and RR are pretty much 100% against 114, so I've been basically preaching to the choir. Mostly reminding everyone to convince at least one friend who's indifferent to vote no. Even if that's all they vote for.
10/8/2022 4:30:21 PM EDT
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Bump to possibly save Oregon
10/8/2022 5:46:58 PM EDT
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Thank you sir.

The "grassroots" group pushing 114 has out of state funding and support, so we need all the help we can get.

Unfortunately it's being pushed during our inflation problems, so the real grassroots effort has a tough battle.
10/9/2022 4:31:03 PM EDT
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The @voteyeson114 Twitter account blocked me

Edit:  so did "reverend" Currie
10/9/2022 4:36:08 PM EDT
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Lolz. "Move to a free state" they said.



Keep up the fight brothers.
10/9/2022 4:46:51 PM EDT
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Lolz. "Move to a free state" they said.



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If any of you, in Oregon or not, have Twitter; go fill the @VoteYesOn114 and @LiftEveryVoiceO Twitter accounts with pro-gun/anti-114 comments

They hardly get challenged on there. And apparently clinton is "fundraising" for it.
10/9/2022 4:53:39 PM EDT
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Even those that proudly admit to being liberals on r/oregon are against this shit by a wide margin.


https://www.reddit.com/r/oregon/comments/xt1xbc/here_is_more_info_on_state_measure_114_thoughts/
10/9/2022 4:58:11 PM EDT
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Even those that proudly admit to being liberals on r/oregon are against this shit by a wide margin.


https://www.reddit.com/r/oregon/comments/xt1xbc/here_is_more_info_on_state_measure_114_thoughts/
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Damn!

Sucks they will still vote for kotex though
10/9/2022 5:00:10 PM EDT
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For some reason politicians who have nothing to do with Oregon seem to campaign here.  I remember when that shit-bird traitor John McCain came to Oregon to campaign to "Close the gun show loophole", which passed.  Now, 30 years later, show me a state without gun show background checks.  Every state, every infringement on the 2A, is just a hair of the camel trying to sneak into the tent.  All the fights matter.
10/9/2022 5:05:10 PM EDT
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For some reason politicians who have nothing to do with Oregon seem to campaign here.  I remember when that shit-bird traitor John McCain came to Oregon to campaign to "Close the gun show loophole", which passed.  Now, 30 years later, show me a state without gun show background checks.  Every state, every infringement on the 2A, is just a hair of the camel trying to sneak into the tent.  All the fights matter.
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Yeah, when I was shit posting in their Twitter threads, one had clinton fundraising for "HR8" as well as newsome and others..

They need to stay out of our state. We are not a test bed for gun gun control. They have no say in our state.

We need to bring back tar and feathering.

It's also a shame that the pro-gun lefties hate our guts so much, that many refuse to share the OFF stop114 stuff because it's "far right".
10/11/2022 8:02:12 PM EDT
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I've seen this gun bill pop up repeatedly on some oregon specific sub reddits.

Especially eugene and bend.

The far left is opposed to it, based on the bill giving more power to the police.  

My only concern is the liberals who see its an anti gun bill and vote for it without doing any research.
10/22/2022 7:37:15 PM EDT
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Got our ballots, whole family voted no, dropped them off in the drop box.

Get out and vote, convince anyone you can to vote no on 114, even if its all they vote on.
10/22/2022 8:56:25 PM EDT
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Would be preferable for people to wait until election day and then drop off their ballots instead of mailing them.  Remember, all four ballot measures are from the extreme left and are dripping with socialism and population control.  No on all of them.
11/10/2022 12:44:18 PM EDT
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Well, things still aren't looking great. Lowest voter turnout by percentage since 1960, and losing by a hair

I have a sliver of hope, with the rule about counting election day postmarked ballots, that "no" votes are still in the pipe, but it's fading fast.
11/10/2022 8:19:19 PM EDT
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As of 4 pm we're 2 points behind with most additional votes coming from Multnomah, Washington and Clackamas counties. We're pretty much done at this point.  We were outspent 10 to 1 with virtually no help from out of state.  Hope the rest of the country is ready for this crap in their back yards.  It's just been proven that national campaigns are pretty much invisible except for those under assault.
11/18/2022 4:20:49 PM EDT
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For some reason politicians who have nothing to do with Oregon seem to campaign here.  I remember when that shit-bird traitor John McCain came to Oregon to campaign to "Close the gun show loophole", which passed.  Now, 30 years later, show me a state without gun show background checks.  Every state, every infringement on the 2A, is just a hair of the camel trying to sneak into the tent.  All the fights matter.
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That's the truth. McCain didn't help democrats "Abel" our inalienable rights, he put a red elephant stamp on the strategy of enacting whatever encroachments were possible.

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