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Link Posted: 3/17/2006 11:13:07 PM EDT
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Or maybe it is because the M-1 garand and M-14 design distinguished itself in much tougher conditions by our troops than any of that other shit.

Plus it's more accurate.

The FAL has been distinguishing itself all over the world for decades.

However, it wasn't invented here, and you can't easily convert M-1 tooling to manufacture a FAL.
Link Posted: 3/18/2006 5:49:13 AM EDT
[#2]

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Don't those things weigh a ton?



My buddy at work has one and its very cool but really heavy ! I would hate to hump that thing around.
Link Posted: 3/18/2006 8:04:08 AM EDT
[#3]

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Jesus, just get a FAL and stop trying to make the M-14 into something it can not nor ever will be.  



+1
Link Posted: 3/18/2006 8:09:41 AM EDT
[#4]
At what point is an M14 not an M14 anymore?
Link Posted: 3/18/2006 8:27:31 AM EDT
[#5]

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Quoted:
Or maybe it is because the M-1 garand and M-14 design distinguished itself in much tougher conditions by our troops than any of that other shit.

Plus it's more accurate.

The FAL has been distinguishing itself all over the world for decades.

However, it wasn't invented here, and you can't easily convert M-1 tooling to manufacture a FAL.



Not really, too many FALs being used as standard issue weapons are 2nd and 3rd rate armies now. Not very distingushing. Unless of course, you consider the squirmishes in Africa and South American to be major engagements. Even then, the machete seems to be more disntigush by news reporting. Argentina probably surrendered the most FALs in history...  look where it got them.

The FAL is a nice rifle including mine. But it's design of separating the locking shoulder too far away from the ignition source is the limiting factor, IMO. It will also be too heavy for modern rifle standards. Darn reliable though as mine never fails even without any cleaning past 500 rounds.
Link Posted: 3/18/2006 8:27:49 AM EDT
[#6]
tag
Link Posted: 3/18/2006 9:05:43 AM EDT
[#7]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:
Or maybe it is because the M-1 garand and M-14 design distinguished itself in much tougher conditions by our troops than any of that other shit.

Plus it's more accurate.

The FAL has been distinguishing itself all over the world for decades.

However, it wasn't invented here, and you can't easily convert M-1 tooling to manufacture a FAL.



Not really, too many FALs being used as standard issue weapons are 2nd and 3rd rate armies now. Not very distingushing. Unless of course, you consider the squirmishes in Africa and South American to be major engagements. Even then, the machete seems to be more disntigush by news reporting. Argentina probably surrendered the most FALs in history...  look where it got them.

The FAL is a nice rifle including mine. But it's design of separating the locking shoulder too far away from the ignition source is the limiting factor, IMO. It will also be too heavy for modern rifle standards. Darn reliable though as mine never fails even without any cleaning past 500 rounds.

By that logic, the AK would be a piece of shit, as it is used by third world armies, terrorists, and guerilla(sp) movements everywhere.

The fact that 3rd world armies can use them with any rate of success says something for the FAL. How many M-16s, M-14s, G-36s, or L-85A1s do you see being used with zero care by people who spend a great deal of their time fighting in the jungle or the desert?

The Argentine example is flawed. Even if you leave out the fact that they were beaten by the British, who were also using FALs, you still forget one major factor. No matter how good a rifle is, it isn't going to make your Army any better.

The quality of a rifle ultimatly has nothing to do with who uses it. IIRC, most of our M-14s ended up going to the Philipines. Hardly a world power.

Link Posted: 3/18/2006 9:10:12 AM EDT
[#8]

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Another pic:

www.athenswater.com/images/MK14Mod0firstissue.jpg



So they went from simple not to many parts to complicated with a ton of parts and screws.

Makes no sense.


hahahahaha man, if you only knew how fucking funny that statement was, you'd cry and never stop...

this is REAL old news, like a couple years old. and it ain't just the seals using it, it's some regular dmr/snipers in the army as well.
Link Posted: 3/18/2006 10:32:24 AM EDT
[#9]

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Another pic:

www.athenswater.com/images/MK14Mod0firstissue.jpg



Damn!
I'll take one!
Link Posted: 3/18/2006 10:39:04 AM EDT
[#10]
Link Posted: 3/18/2006 11:00:47 AM EDT
[#11]
there are very few guns to give me a hardon... the sage EBR chasis is one of them... theres one for sale at my local gun shop for 700 bux:/   someday.....
Link Posted: 3/18/2006 11:01:30 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 3/18/2006 11:03:25 AM EDT
[#13]
That thing looks like a TAPCO lovers wetdream.


Link Posted: 3/18/2006 11:17:07 AM EDT
[#14]
So does anyone have a pic of the actuall weapon the SEALs are gonna be using?

This is only for snipers right? What weapon do they carry right now? a M4?
Link Posted: 3/18/2006 1:07:05 PM EDT
[#15]
I will take two please.
Link Posted: 3/18/2006 3:36:40 PM EDT
[#16]
Here is one of the Army's M-14 in Afganistain. 2004


Link Posted: 3/18/2006 5:43:39 PM EDT
[#17]
One problem  with issuing the M14 is lack of spare parts and maintance support.  There are no parts maintained in inventory and noone knows how to fix it.  From what I understand M14's are being issued out and if  you need parts you had better pick up shotgun news.

I thought the seals use the MK11 sniper rifle.  
Link Posted: 3/18/2006 6:33:52 PM EDT
[#18]

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One problem  with issuing the M14 is lack of spare parts and maintance support.  There are no parts maintained in inventory and noone knows how to fix it.  From what I understand M14's are being issued out and if  you need parts you had better pick up shotgun news.

I thought the seals use the MK11 sniper rifle.  



That bunch in Afganistain had problems with their issued scope mounts and bi pods. They said the bi pods were junk. I would of bought them some good bolts action Rem. but was told I couldn't. They still capped  a crapload of badguys.
Link Posted: 3/18/2006 6:47:58 PM EDT
[#19]
New USGI contract M14 rifle parts are being made but only in lots of hundreds.  
Link Posted: 3/19/2006 3:57:22 AM EDT
[#20]

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New USGI contract M14 rifle parts are being made but only in lots of hundreds.  


I'd love to see that factory.
Link Posted: 3/19/2006 4:08:04 AM EDT
[#21]


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Pacino used a Fabrique Nationale FNC in the movie "Heat"

FNC

pato



Really? Are you sure?




LINK to MOVIE GUNS: the Gun Al Pacino used in HEAT


FNC 80
Link Posted: 3/19/2006 4:17:28 AM EDT
[#22]
Looks an M14 got knocked up by an erector set and gave birth.
Link Posted: 3/19/2006 4:24:02 AM EDT
[#23]
Looks as though the Navy only plans for 466 of these to be built Unless the numbers are reflected in 100's, or 1,000's

.pdf Navy Budget for Small Arms including the Mk 14 Mod 0

see page 3



More pix of a Mk14 (also a .pdf)
Link Posted: 3/19/2006 4:32:01 AM EDT
[#24]

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Looks an M14 got knocked up by an erector set and gave birth.




Yep. I don't get it.
Link Posted: 3/19/2006 5:00:27 AM EDT
[#25]
wonder wy they didn't go with the AR furniture version?
Link Posted: 3/19/2006 5:01:25 AM EDT
[#26]
I thought Klinton gave our M-14's away.
Link Posted: 3/19/2006 5:38:54 AM EDT
[#27]

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I thought Klinton gave our M-14's away.



The Army has about 90,000 left, give or take.  The Marines and Navy have a few.
Link Posted: 3/19/2006 6:30:45 AM EDT
[#28]
Wait until that thing falls of a table, or gets bumped around, and that flimsy retractable buttstock bends. They will be handing that shit back in.
Link Posted: 3/19/2006 7:29:49 AM EDT
[#29]
Looks like someone pimped up a Ruger Mini-30.  
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