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Posted: 4/16/2021 10:49:38 PM EDT
[#1]
Some of what is going on is normal legal maneuvering. Some is just corrupt bullshit. iirc, there are multiple NRA's at the moment. The one incorporated in NY is getting sued - and given the corruption of the NY legal system, probably out of existence. That NRA filed for bankruptcy protection. In addition, there is several other NRA based programs that are separately incorporated. I think Ill and Education are there own entities. I would not be surprised if every state has it's own entity plus all the Friends are probably their own entities.
I don't know what assets were transferred to the NRA incorporated in Texas. That said, if I was a law firm, I sure the hell would want a very serious retainer before spending 1 damn minute with a company I knew was playing the bankruptcy game. The company I used to work for was employed by the court during a small but messy bankruptcy reorg. We billed for over 5yrs before the court payed us when closing the bankruptcy. It's great to get paid for 5 years of billable time, but sucks having to finance it first. We got the job by the court as a way of the court repaying our managing partners who were fleeced during the initial fraud that sent it all to the court. ---- Of course none of this is really relative to the gag order on a dissenting BOD member. FWIW, NRA has be Wayne's baby for a long, long time - it is more his private corporation than a non-profit apparently. |
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Posted: 4/16/2021 10:50:51 PM EDT
[#2]
So, are we doing a class action suit yet because we the members have been defrauded our membership fees?
Somewhat serious. |
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Posted: 4/16/2021 10:51:16 PM EDT
[#3]
In the 90 days before the BK filing the NRA paid Brewer's firm $17 million dollars. The BK attorney Brewer hired for the NRA currently is asking the court for $1million retainer and Brewer firm is asking for $3million.
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Posted: 4/16/2021 10:57:25 PM EDT
[#4]
@mousehunter
This is not the usual corporate maneuvering to clear out bad debts. The NY AG is looking to wreck the NRA and the NRA Officers. NRA Officers and BOD have spent decades putting the org in this situation and putting themselves in the hotseat. I fully expect there to be criminal actions against people in the E suite at the NRA. Honestly with what we are learning I am shocked the .Gov did not curb stomp the association years ago. As for the various corporate entities. I would not be shocked if every asset the NRA has is in hock to cover various debts. |
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Posted: 4/16/2021 10:58:44 PM EDT
[#5]
What happens to the museum and it's contents? Do the members own them?
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Posted: 4/16/2021 11:04:05 PM EDT
[#6]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Careful now. They still have a subforum here. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: FNRA Careful now. They still have a subforum here. |
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Posted: 4/16/2021 11:04:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What happens to the museum and it's contents? Do the members own them? Anything on loan goes back to the owners. The rest is probably collateral already. |
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Posted: 4/16/2021 11:06:42 PM EDT
[#8]
Does this mean I’m not getting a brick with my name engraved on it in some hall of honor or some shit.
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Posted: 4/16/2021 11:09:23 PM EDT
[#9]
NRA can FOAD as far as I'm concerned until they can WLP, Marion, and the majority of the board. Bunch of slimeballs.
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Posted: 4/16/2021 11:09:52 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/16/2021 11:10:18 PM EDT
[#11]
I don't know the details in this case. At least some of the NRA management is corrupt as shit - but I also realize that is what the media is also telling us and everything they do is not necessarily illegal.
I do believe, that the NRA, like a lot of the non-profits I have had personal experience with - tends to be more an entity that funds the lifestyles of it's management rather than pushes the goals of its mission statement. |
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Posted: 4/16/2021 11:10:39 PM EDT
[#12]
Lolzz
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Posted: 4/16/2021 11:11:48 PM EDT
[#13]
The NRA is the Q of gun rights. While the normal people were consoling themselves content with Gadsen flags, Pepe memes, and Hannity reruns the left was getting shit done. Like the Vietcong they burrow underneath, through and around any and all obsticle until it's time.
Normal people can't battle an abnormal enemy they don't even recognize is present and now it's far too late. Imagine every worst fear realized with countless redundant layers, as one distracts and leads astray the other effects change. Over and over at every every level in every institution. The last 20 or so years has been one long con pieced together with exquisite precision and tenacity. Checkmate. |
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Posted: 4/16/2021 11:14:11 PM EDT
[#14]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So, are we doing a class action suit yet because we the members have been defrauded our membership fees? Somewhat serious. That is a VERY good question. I have sponsored at least 12 Life members to the NRA. That is not an insignificant amount of funds. |
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Posted: 4/16/2021 11:17:17 PM EDT
[#15]
#NotAnotherDamnDime
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Posted: 4/16/2021 11:18:48 PM EDT
[#16]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Anything on loan goes back to the owners. The rest is probably collateral already. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: What happens to the museum and it's contents? Do the members own them? Anything on loan goes back to the owners. The rest is probably collateral already. That alone is a crime. |
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Posted: 4/16/2021 11:27:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So...when does Wayne exit the stage? The NRA has big potential with cleaning and reorganization. Fact is, the Democrat turds hate the NRA. Wayne will exit when he dies. Step down? Absolutely never. Change that. He will no longer run it when the NRA dissolves. I believe it is to the point that Wayne can’t leave. His only defense now is to stay, say he is being persecuted, and beg for money because “we can’t let our enemies destroy the NRA”. |
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Posted: 4/16/2021 11:28:22 PM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't think the NRA as a whole is bad. But they have been very poorly managed for a very long time. Hopefully they can fix this and right the ship. Agree |
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Posted: 4/16/2021 11:29:24 PM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: When do gun clubs that require NRA membership start looking for alternatives? Slush fund for lobbyists and grifters is all that organization stands for anymore. They aren't, they get insurance from them. I tried to voice my distain regarding requiring NRA membership last year. This year I'm not renewing, there are other reasons too. Some little worm actually took the time to compare the membership rolls to the NRA rolls and sent out nasty letters, not at all friendly, a couple of years ago. Over 300 members lol. WLP did this, I'm surprised there hasn't been a class action lawsuit against him. |
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Posted: 4/16/2021 11:50:18 PM EDT
[#20]
NRA was mismanaged, but the main goal is to destroy the NRA so Schumer can tell Congressman, "you don't have to fear the NRA anymore."
Many of you forget how many Democrat Congressman refused to vote for gun control due to their perception of the NRA. |
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Posted: 4/16/2021 11:56:04 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't know the details in this case. At least some of the NRA management is corrupt as shit - but I also realize that is what the media is also telling us and everything they do is not necessarily illegal. I do believe, that the NRA, like a lot of the non-profits I have had personal experience with - tends to be more an entity that funds the lifestyles of it's management rather than pushes the goals of its mission statement. The media is full of shit and I don't believe near anything they report. I suggest you all do the same. Propaganda fucking machine. |
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Posted: 4/17/2021 12:02:47 AM EDT
[#22]
I don't think Wayne has the ability most believe to stay on the sinking ship. I'm going to predict he's going to be gone sometime in the near future. Who takes over? Not really sure. There are many Fuds in the NRA.
But again, MNRAGA. Make the NRA Great Again. |
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Posted: 4/17/2021 12:04:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I am passed the point of being surprised... I bet I can right now. Day 2 Of NRA Bankruptcy Hearings. Hold Onto Your Butts Fellas. NRA discovered that LaPierre’s assistant, Millie Hallow, had “diverted” $40,000 in NRA money to her private use. Was she punished? Frazer said she had to repay it. Anything more than that? he didn’t know what her manager did to her. Who is her manager? Wayne LaPierre. NY Atty General asked Frazer what type of message does this send to the other headquarters staff? He had no answer. or David McKenzie owns three companies, LLCs, that deal with NRA and have mailing addresses at NRA headquarters. He is the person who loans his hundred foot yacht to LaPierre when LaPierre vacations in the Bahamas. His companies have consulting contracts with NRA, but send invoices for far more than the contract price, and get them paid. One LLC had a contract for $400,000 per month but has been getting paid $961,000 per month. Another’s contract was for 135,000 per month but it’s being paid 373,000. Per month. It must be doing a lot of consulting. Sadly I am not shocked.... When Wayne sold out those who paid for a membership to then turn around and say they needed money to protect our rights while getting a new mansion was the writing on the wall. But now those that bought into BLM has their own version of Wayne leading their organization. |
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Posted: 4/17/2021 12:07:50 AM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Only one question I care about. Can wayne be removed completely from the organization? If not, it's never going to survive. Pretty much the entire BOD needs purged before any change can happen. |
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Posted: 4/17/2021 12:11:17 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/17/2021 12:13:58 AM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Pretty much the entire BOD needs purged before any change can happen. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Only one question I care about. Can wayne be removed completely from the organization? If not, it's never going to survive. Pretty much the entire BOD needs purged before any change can happen. The executive committee would have to be on board to expel WLP. The same EC that is populated entirely by yes-men hand-picked by WLP. |
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Posted: 4/17/2021 12:17:11 AM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The NRA ceased being an effective 2A .org years and years ago. You guys are just realizing it now? Some people here were still defending them and WLP after all this broke. I had a feeling they were shitbags years ago. |
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Posted: 4/17/2021 12:35:21 AM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't think Wayne has the ability most believe to stay on the sinking ship. I'm going to predict he's going to be gone sometime in the near future. Who takes over? Not really sure. There are many Fuds in the NRA. But again, MNRAGA. Make the NRA Great Again. |
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Posted: 4/17/2021 1:05:03 AM EDT
[#29]
Criminal Malfeasance
People need to do time |
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Posted: 4/17/2021 1:05:58 AM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: NRA was mismanaged, but the main goal is to destroy the NRA so Schumer can tell Congressman, "you don't have to fear the NRA anymore." Many of you forget how many Democrat Congressman refused to vote for gun control due to their perception of the NRA. And what's the NRA made up of? If those these letters disappeared would it still be there? Or is it possible they didn't actually fear the NRA but just loved the sweet money they got? |
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Posted: 4/17/2021 1:08:02 AM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Some people here were still defending them and WLP after all this broke. I had a feeling they were shitbags years ago. If years ago = early 1900s, then yes |
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Posted: 4/17/2021 1:14:21 AM EDT
[#32]
Forget the NRA, what we need is an active group of Lawyers.
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Posted: 4/17/2021 1:27:16 AM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The executive committee would have to be on board to expel WLP. The same EC that is populated entirely by yes-men hand-picked by WLP. Not just hand-picked. I believe the case is closer to "complicit". I think a status of Mutually Assured Destruction has formed sort of a stalemate of action (as though any of them actually wanted action, which they don't). If the dam cracks and they start moving people around fresh eyes will see the books and correspondence. That has to be prevented AT ALL COSTS or they all go down together. |
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Posted: 4/17/2021 1:29:58 AM EDT
[#34]
I'll be here for the NRA when fucking Wayne is gone
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Posted: 4/17/2021 1:31:11 AM EDT
[#35]
So, will all the smarmy, snarky know-it-alls around here that have been relentless defenders of obvious crookery, attacking anyone who questioned the NRA, post a billion dupe public apology threads to GD?
Those of us that have said the NRA was compromised since at least the 90s aren't so crazy after all, hmmm? Lack of offense is not a good defense. Oh, same goes for the GOP. sEnD mOnEy tO kEeP aMeriCa fRee!!! |
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Posted: 4/17/2021 1:38:50 AM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The response to Judge Journey the NRA BOD Member pushing for transparency says the NRA BOD as a whole has no intention of changing things or trying to fix what they have done wrong. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I don't think the NRA as a whole is bad. But they have been very poorly managed for a very long time. Hopefully they can fix this and right the ship. The response to Judge Journey the NRA BOD Member pushing for transparency says the NRA BOD as a whole has no intention of changing things or trying to fix what they have done wrong. Wayne should be in jail, the accountant should be, the board should all be fired. Start fresh. I'll go back of they dump Wayne and go hard ass, no other reason. I donate to goa and saf |
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Posted: 4/17/2021 1:58:46 AM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Kinda like Brownells?  Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: They have an empty storefront. Kinda like Brownells?  Attached File |
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Posted: 4/17/2021 2:03:23 AM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So, will all the smarmy, snarky know-it-alls around here that have been relentless defenders of obvious crookery, attacking anyone who questioned the NRA, post a billion dupe public apology threads to GD? Those of us that have said the NRA was compromised since at least the 90s aren't so crazy after all, hmmm? Lack of offense is not a good defense. Oh, same goes for the GOP. sEnD mOnEy tO kEeP aMeriCa fRee!!! The NRA was compromised back into the early 80"s when LaPierre was first elected! WTF, is he a Canuck? After two years of membership and countless mailings to renew/extend membership or give additional donations, I had enough. This organization has been corrupt for decades and extorts money from it's membership in the name of Pro-2 Amendment lobbyism. Has there ever been an audit of the NRA? The Board of Directors should had done this frequently, if this organization was legitimate. |
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Posted: 4/17/2021 2:23:22 AM EDT
[#39]
So when do we start a group buy of their headquarters/range in Fairfax?
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Posted: 4/17/2021 3:58:58 AM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So when do we start a group buy of their headquarters/range in Fairfax? |
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Posted: 4/17/2021 4:06:02 AM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So, will all the smarmy, snarky know-it-alls around here that have been relentless defenders of obvious crookery, attacking anyone who questioned the NRA, post a billion dupe public apology threads to GD? Those of us that have said the NRA was compromised since at least the 90s aren't so crazy after all, hmmm? Lack of offense is not a good defense. Oh, same goes for the GOP. sEnD mOnEy tO kEeP aMeriCa fRee!!! Did Neal Knox give up, or was he ousted or just passed away? Maybe look into the history of the organization. If Knox took Charton Heston's place, the NRA would be a very different organization. IIRC, it was the Board that rejected Knox and they are elected by Voting Members. |
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Posted: 4/17/2021 4:18:26 AM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Mine did away with that requirement in the last year. I am very happy to let my membership lapse. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: When do gun clubs that require NRA membership start looking for alternatives? Slush fund for lobbyists and grifters is all that organization stands for anymore. Mine did away with that requirement in the last year. I am very happy to let my membership lapse. Same, and I personally led the charge to kill the requirement. |
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Posted: 4/17/2021 4:30:07 AM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They aren't, they get insurance from them. I tried to voice my distain regarding requiring NRA membership last year. This year I'm not renewing, there are other reasons too. Some little worm actually took the time to compare the membership rolls to the NRA rolls and sent out nasty letters, not at all friendly, a couple of years ago. Over 300 members lol. WLP did this, I'm surprised there hasn't been a class action lawsuit against him. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: When do gun clubs that require NRA membership start looking for alternatives? Slush fund for lobbyists and grifters is all that organization stands for anymore. They aren't, they get insurance from them. I tried to voice my distain regarding requiring NRA membership last year. This year I'm not renewing, there are other reasons too. Some little worm actually took the time to compare the membership rolls to the NRA rolls and sent out nasty letters, not at all friendly, a couple of years ago. Over 300 members lol. WLP did this, I'm surprised there hasn't been a class action lawsuit against him. My club is insured cheaper, without the NRA. I'm not sure who we use, but I can find out. |
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Posted: 4/17/2021 5:18:03 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/17/2021 5:25:12 AM EDT
[#45]
Fuck that wretched hive of scum and villainy.
I always got a smell off the NRA. Turns out it was far worse than I could imagine. Deep state is the same. It's one thing to think the great unwashed is less intelligent, and/or has lower morals. It's another to treat them as lesser creatures. |
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Posted: 4/17/2021 5:28:31 AM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Then you haven't read the bylaws. |
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Posted: 4/17/2021 5:30:15 AM EDT
[#47]
in on 2
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Posted: 4/17/2021 5:45:16 AM EDT
[#48]
What about the kids that shoot in NRA competitions? Why fuck them over, Wayne?
Your fucking NRA TV and Carry Insurance bullshit turned out to be a bigger threat to the 2A than any Democrat or anti-gun group. |
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Posted: 4/17/2021 5:58:29 AM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: NRA was mismanaged, but the main goal is to destroy the NRA so Schumer can tell Congressman, "you don't have to fear the NRA anymore." Many of you forget how many Democrat Congressman refused to vote for gun control due to their perception of the NRA. They already had a Republican president tell them that. |
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Posted: 4/17/2021 6:52:18 AM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They already had a Republican president tell them that. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: NRA was mismanaged, but the main goal is to destroy the NRA so Schumer can tell Congressman, "you don't have to fear the NRA anymore." Many of you forget how many Democrat Congressman refused to vote for gun control due to their perception of the NRA. They already had a Republican president tell them that.  Attached File |
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