They don't feed the people in order to feed the military.

I wonder how so many Americans came about this notion.

I can't wait until North Korea gets obliterated..

Useless heap of shit like a mad 10lb dog snarling and barking

Fighting occurs occasionally from time to time. U.S. soldiers were killed in the 1960s and 1970s, the ROK has exchanged fire on land and sea with DPRK forces as recently as last year.

WTF? Back in my day, Team Spirit was 21 days long.

Ok, thanks...ya learn something new everyday.


Although it's kinda weird to think that the war my grandfather fought in is still going on...



Speed

they are always serious.. they are just pissed that they cant back it up

How much yield would you need?



Also, could they deliver from a scud aboard a ship?

Yup; I think the most well-known incidents were the capture of the USS Pueblo and the murders of Capt. Arthur Bonifas and Lt. Mark Barrett at the hands of North Korean Guards (eventually the US launched Operation Paul Bunyan in order to take the tree that the men under Capt Bonifas and Lt. Barret were sent to prune).





If the vertically challenged dictator wants to peck a fight; he's gonna get a handful of whup-arse the likes he has never seen before. Hell, we can drop a JDAM or MOAB on his lap and call it a day if we wanted to; end the Korean War once and for all and perhaps unify the nation under a democratic rule instead of the "Communis Utopia" that our President faps so hard to at times.

This could be it.

Probably a couple hundred kilotons at least.

The translation was incorrect; what they actually said is that they are ready to blow The United States and South Korea.

Not sure what your specific queestion is but they are an organization that feeds the nationalist line mainly to college students, arguing that it's best for the ROK to divest itself from the USA with non-sense about the "white man" holding down Koreans and that the DPRK is no threat. All Koreans are brothers and don't believe people like President Lee Myung Bak or US propoganda about the DPRK.

Yes, there are a dissappointing amount of Korean Americans that buy into it (not the majority by any means) mainly younger generation and college students, especially at UCLA. So it's not the first time meetings of this sort have happened in the USA. Things got noticeably bad around 1998. Between American liberal professors and book writers like Howard Zinn and organizations like this, they actually got a toe hold on the minds of younger Koreans. Mainly you find the Korean racists, communists, leftists, ultra-nationalists and liberal types participating both here and in the ROK. My guess is about 40% of Koreans under age 40. It's very similar to the USA 1960s hippy, Carter, Obama thing in America.

Does Kim swallow ?




You dont mean.....................worse than.............you know ........... Y 2 K  ?

So wrong, given the context...



 

Maybe we should call Hans Bwix

Kind of similar to Obama with the bowing and apologizing. It's the whole, give the other side a chance to be heard. They're not our enemy, they're just people too.

It really strikes at the root of Korean nationalism because it's basically a kind of Korean Nazi mindset, that Koreans are the perfect people and can't do wrong, therefore, if someone is saying something bad about a Korean (the USA) it must be lies. They really believe in the idea of the Korean race and Korean brotherhood and brothers don't fight one another (never mind the American civil war ) they should fight outsiders like Americans and Japanese.

They make up ridiculous lies and fabrications that the USA set Korea up for the Korean war on purpose and that the USA never liberated Korea from Japan. They claim Koreans freed themselves from Japan through the partisan resistence movement. They say communism is a white man's idea pushed onto North Korea and capitalism is a white man's idea pushed onto South Korea with white Russians and white Americans exploiting Koreans secretly on purpose. Which makes no sense when they coordinate with DPRK front organizations which are clearly communist. They also tend to spell Korea as Corea.

They basically believe kick out the USA, brothers should make up, unite, have the largest Army with nuclear bombs in Asia and punish Japan.

Kimmy looks so cute and cuddly...bring it on little bitch!

Oh and they are completely irrational and wacky.

A few of them hunted down one of my pictures over the course of a year and half and posted them online in different Korean and Asian forums calling me a traitor, sellout, fat bitch.

They were desperately trying to find out where I lived and track down my IP address from online posts to find out where I lived.

One somehow got my phone number around December 1998 and called screaming in Korean "we made you bitch".

No kidding. There are a bunch of pro-NORK videos on youtube. Full of syncophantic comments about Korean superiority, all Amricans do is eat big-macs, etc. I made a comment about a few of the videos and was spammed for months afterwards. They weren't very good at it though. One of them gave me the traitor line too, made better since I'm not Korean.



 

One of the main jerks on youtube posting those videos is actually a Spanish communist named Mr. Alejandro Cao de Benos, that I used to argue with constantly on Korean, Korean American and Asian American forums.

I've seen a few.  One extolled the virtues of how much people in the North have...  and had lots of videos of empty streets and highways.  Where are all the cars?

Now don't be bringing reality into the EMP screaming.

Coordinate with DPRK front organizations?  They are DPRK front organizations, regardless of whether the rank and file even know or care.

Is he Catalan, Basque, or Andalusian?





 

Yeah, he also maintains a website in Europe promoting the DPRK; trade, tourism, politics under the argument "don't believe America's lies" pandering to the anti-Americanism in Europe, especially after the Iraq war. He conceeded there was some starvation in the rural areas AFTER the dear leader did in a press release. But all is basically blamed on America and the puppets in South Korea. That if the USA didn't bully the DPRK with a trade embargo, then North Korea would be perfectly fine, even better than the utopia it already is.

Barcelona, so that would be Catalan correct?

Some people just need killin'...

just saying

Plick

Practically speaking but there are so many nationalists members and they think they're using the communists to their own ends. They have no sense of history if they think they have the upper hand but in their ignorance they actually think they have the upper hand. The communists also use nationalism and the nationalist types (I don't mean Taiwan's political party) in China as well.

Yep. Lot's of knee jerk reaction in those regions against the Spanish government. Franco's rule lead many to take what they saw as a directly anti-Franco stance, his perceived opposite being communism. It still persists there to a degree. I have a Catalan friend, he considers himself Catalan and not Spanish. In fact if there is an International tournament, he tends to root for the US is there is no Catalan contingent. There is a strong anti-Castillian undercurrent there. Communism is just one way of resistance. That and this guy must be old enough to remember Franco.





Although his name might not be particularly Catalan... I'll have to ask.





 

Hmmm...I don't think I have ever seen this pic before.  Whats the backstory?

And the little dog just keeps yapping. I wish this bitch would just go ahead and actually try something provocative so we could bitch slap him and shut him up once and for all.

1996 incident occurred on September 18, 1996, near the South Korean town of Gangneung. The incident was one of the more serious instances of North Korean espionage involving naval forces.

On September 15, a North Korean Sang-O class submarine submarine landed a three person special operations reconnaissance team on the shores near Gangneung. Their mission was to spy on the naval installations in the area and then return. The submarine made a failed attempt to collect the team on the 17th, and returned the following day. The submarine, however, ran aground in the attempt, and all efforts to try to make her free were in vain.

The crew then decided to destroy the sensitive equipment in the submarine and try to make it to the DMZ. The crew split up in several groups but one was soon spotted by a civilian who became suspicious and alerted the authorities, who quickly mobilized 40,000 soldiers, along with helicopters and search dogs.

A 49-day long manhunt ensued, from 18 September through 5 November, resulting in the capture or elimination of all the crew and members of the reconnaissance team, except one, who is believed to have made it back to North Korea. 16 South Korean soldiers and civilians died and 27 were wounded. Of the 26 North Korean infiltrators, 1 was captured, 11 were murdered by the other members or died from a murder-suicide, 13 were killed in firefights with the ROK Army, and 1 reportedly escaped back to North Korea. Some analysts suspected that the motivation behind the assassination of Choe Deok-geun, South Korean consul for the Russian Far East, was retaliation for these killings.

The submarine was salvaged and towed to a naval base for investigation. One captured crewmember, the submarine's helmsmen, Lee Kwang Soo, gave in after much interrogation and revealed much of the plans. He later became an instructor in the South Korean Navy.

North Korea was at first reluctant at taking responsibility and claimed that the submarine had suffered an engine failure and had drifted aground, but issued an official apology on December 29. The following day, the remains of the infiltrators were returned to North Korea.

I'm fine with letting him stay wound up. The thing that worries me is the possible implosion of the country and Korean reunification. That would make Germany seem like a cakewalk.



 

That depends on who you believe, Russia, Japan, China, USA and ROK.

They haven't tested a large device.



 

Not sure what the definition of large device would be. Obviously nothing like US ICBMs but Russian defense minister, Sergei Ivanov, said North Korea's nuclear test were about 15 kilotons of tnt (roughly the size of the Hiroshima atomic bomb) whereas US estimates said only 1 kiloton.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/may/26/estimates-of-size-of-pyongyangs-nuclear-test-vary/
Estimates of size of Pyongyang's nuclear test varyRate this story
By Eli Lake and Barbara Slavin THE WASHINGTON TIMES

North Korea's second nuclear test was more successful than its first and shows that the country is on its way toward full membership in a club of unofficial nuclear-weapons states, U.S. nuclear specialists said Monday.

Estimates of the size of the explosion - which the U.S. Geological Survey (USGS) said triggered a measurement of magnitude-4.7, compared with 4.3 after North Korea's first test in 2006 - varied from 1 or 2 kilotons to as high as 10 or 20 kilotons.

The higher estimate would match the power and potency of the bombs America dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki to end World War II. In 2006, North Korea's first nuclear test did not reach 1 kiloton.

Russia said its measurements reflected the higher range. But the White House issued a statement saying, "The characteristics suggest a man-made event with an explosive yield of approximately a few kilotons [of] TNT."

In 2006, the Bush administration estimated that Kim Jong-il's regime wanted an explosion in the range of 3 to 4 kilotons, said Dennis Wilder, senior director for East Asia on the Bush White House National Security Council.

"Kim is trying to prove they have the capability of a successful nuclear device," Mr. Wilder told The Washington Times on Monday after the latest underground test.

"They're learning, and they're getting there," agreed David Albright, a former nuclear inspector and president of the Institute for Science and International Security, a Washington think tank. "They're not anywhere as good as Israel, but they could probably deploy a weapon on top of a Nodong missile and be fairly confident that it would work."

The Nodong, a single-stage rocket with an estimated range of 600 miles or more, is capable of reaching all of South Korea and much of Japan.

Mr. Albright estimated that the North Koreans have about 30 kilograms of plutonium left - enough for many more tests or possible sale to other nations or organizations if, as the North Koreans claim, they are using 2 kilograms per weapon.

"It is important to take this as an urgent issue," he said. "I think the Obama administration will now."

The test served in some ways as North Korea's full induction into a club of powers - India, Pakistan and, as widely assumed, Israel - that have nuclear weapons but are not acknowledged as weapons states under the nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty.

North Korea signed the treaty as a non-nuclear state but became the first member to withdraw from the pact in 2003 after the collapse of a 1994 accord with the United States.

"With this test, nobody can deny that North Korea can make a perfectly workable bomb, and they are not about to disarm," said Henry Sokolski, executive director of the Nonproliferation Policy Education Center, a Washington think tank. "This evidence flies directly in the face of our presumption that somehow we can hug these people into diplomatic submission and get them to give up their bombs."

Mr. Sokolski was referring to six-nation talks started by the administration of President George W. Bush and hosted by China. North Korea has refused to return to negotiations for nearly two years and has also rebuffed U.S. requests for bilateral talks with a special envoy, Stephen Bosworth.

In April, responding to a U.N. Security Council resolution condemning a North Korean ballistic-missile launch, the Korean regime said it would "never again take part in such [six-party] talks and will not be bound by any agreement reached at the talks."

North Korea then expelled international arms inspectors and announced that it would restart a reactor dismantled under a previous accord.

Nevertheless, Mr. Wilder said that he considered the talks to be a success because it got five countries with distinct interests - the United States, China, Russia, South Korea and Japan - to unite on policy toward North Korea, urging it to dismantle its nuclear-weapons program.

He acknowledged, however, that the talks failed to change North Korean behavior and said it was unlikely, after Monday's test, that North Korea would agree to join any negotiations whose endpoint would be shuttering its nuclear program.