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Posted: 12/20/2016 6:35:04 PM EDT
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He beat the state court case.
Prosecute him in federal court now - double jeopardy doesn't apply... |
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Posted: 12/20/2016 6:35:57 PM EDT
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Charge him with another crime. As long as it isn't a lesser included offense you will be good to go. He will do time yet. Too bad the prosecution probably already charged him with every single thing they could think of. |
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Posted: 12/20/2016 6:37:01 PM EDT
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I simply applied the proper Theorem. Now you're just being acute. |
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Posted: 12/20/2016 6:40:52 PM EDT
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He beat the state court case. Prosecute him in federal court now - double jeopardy doesn't apply... for.... |
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Posted: 12/20/2016 6:40:59 PM EDT
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Too bad the prosecution probably already charged him with every single thing they could think of. They presumably charged & prosecuted him under NYS Article 125 (& lessor included). He hasn't been charged & prosecuted for 18USC1111 or 42USC1983... |
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Posted: 12/20/2016 6:42:27 PM EDT
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lol Homicide, it's hilarious. 
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Posted: 12/20/2016 6:43:32 PM EDT
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Now you're just being acute. Bazinga. |
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Posted: 12/20/2016 6:45:01 PM EDT
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Either he's trying to get his friend off, or he just can't help bragging. Either way, he's a idiot. Yup. thats a good way to help karma find your ass. |
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Posted: 12/20/2016 6:47:01 PM EDT
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Only a fool would think the accused are angles. It was pretty clear he wasn't acute guy on the street. He seems pretty obtuse about it all, he's dang sure not right. |
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Posted: 12/20/2016 6:53:06 PM EDT
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Only a fool would think the accused are angles. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Friend of my dad's was a public defender and took his job very seriously. He got a guy off on a murder charge in a difficult case. After the verdict, outside the courthouse the guy turned to the lawyer and said, "thanks a lot. I really thought I was going to jail, since that time I really did it." He quit after that. Only a fool would think the accused are angles. Or that they don't play every angel. |
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Posted: 12/20/2016 6:56:42 PM EDT
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On 2nd thought, I dint dunutin.
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Posted: 12/20/2016 6:57:48 PM EDT
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It's easy to support our rights when the righteous are the victims. The true sign of someone that defends them is when it's a shithead that uses them. You are at best a fair weather friend of the Constitution. What I want to know is how the DA screwed up. You can call me whatever you want, but a person who brags about committing murder and walking free has no place in our society and I don't care if the Constitution says otherwise. I guarantee the framers of the Constitution would have had that man strung up one way or another. |
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Posted: 12/20/2016 7:01:34 PM EDT
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This is a clear case of Durple Jeopardy.
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Posted: 12/20/2016 7:58:41 PM EDT
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You can call me whatever you want, but a person who brags about committing murder and walking free has no place in our society and I don't care if the Constitution says otherwise. I guarantee the framers of the Constitution would have had that man strung up one way or another. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It's easy to support our rights when the righteous are the victims. The true sign of someone that defends them is when it's a shithead that uses them. You are at best a fair weather friend of the Constitution. What I want to know is how the DA screwed up. You can call me whatever you want, but a person who brags about committing murder and walking free has no place in our society and I don't care if the Constitution says otherwise. I guarantee the framers of the Constitution would have had that man strung up one way or another. The Constitution isn't pick and choose as you see fit. BTW, did you manage to weasel out of that red light ticket? |
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Posted: 12/20/2016 8:06:00 PM EDT
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There's no federal law against murder? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Simple. Federal charges for violating the civil rights of the deceased. Not for the murder of a private citizen. |
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Posted: 12/20/2016 10:52:51 PM EDT
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The Constitution isn't pick and choose as you see fit. BTW, did you manage to weasel out of that red light ticket? Whoa whoa whoa!!He got a red light ticket??? Those kind of people are the lowest of the low.......................get the rope boys. |
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Posted: 12/21/2016 4:39:21 AM EDT
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It was pretty clear he wasn't acute guy on the street. He seems pretty obtuse about it all, he's dang sure not right. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Only a fool would think the accused are angles. It was pretty clear he wasn't acute guy on the street. He seems pretty obtuse about it all, he's dang sure not right. He was turning his life around, a complete 180. Like he said,"Ma work stay makin da news"... At least he showed his work. |
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Posted: 12/21/2016 4:50:12 AM EDT
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That's not going to make his defense attorney's job any easier at his next murder trial. Not admissible. No connection. |
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Posted: 12/21/2016 4:50:14 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/21/2016 4:51:21 AM EDT
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hit him for purgery. he just admitted it. "Your Honor, I need a different, smarter, lawyer..." |
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Posted: 12/21/2016 4:51:30 AM EDT
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In this case yes. He admitted that he was guilty of several felony firearms violations under NY law. Facebook posts are not depositions. They still need corroboration, or a lot of virgins would be paying child support. |
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Posted: 12/21/2016 4:52:27 AM EDT
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Only a fool would think the accused are angles. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Friend of my dad's was a public defender and took his job very seriously. He got a guy off on a murder charge in a difficult case. After the verdict, outside the courthouse the guy turned to the lawyer and said, "thanks a lot. I really thought I was going to jail, since that time I really did it." He quit after that. Only a fool would think the accused are angles. A lot of them were Saxons, or Jutes. Or maybe straight lines; not sure where you were going with this. |
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Posted: 12/21/2016 4:56:52 AM EDT
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I don't think entering a plea is a sworn statement that could later be used in a perjury case. It depends, if it was a federal case, an exculpatory "no" or "I didn't do it" is a felony if you did. |
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Posted: 12/21/2016 4:57:37 AM EDT
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You can call me whatever you want, but a person who brags about committing murder and walking free has no place in our society and I don't care if the Constitution says otherwise. I guarantee the framers of the Constitution would have had that man strung up one way or another. 
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Posted: 12/21/2016 4:59:12 AM EDT
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It depends, if it was a federal case, an exculpatory "no" or "I didn't do it" is a felony if you did. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I don't think entering a plea is a sworn statement that could later be used in a perjury case. It depends, if it was a federal case, an exculpatory "no" or "I didn't do it" is a felony if you did. A plea, no. Testimony from the stand, yes. |
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Posted: 12/21/2016 5:04:07 AM EDT
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A plea, no. Testimony from the stand, yes. Questioning before even being charged (under Brogan v. United States) Yes. |
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Posted: 12/21/2016 5:19:56 AM EDT
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What a dumbass.
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Posted: 12/21/2016 5:24:58 AM EDT
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so they're charging him for felony possession of ammo now?
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Posted: 12/21/2016 5:24:59 AM EDT
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Questioning before even being charged (under Brogan v. United States) Yes. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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A plea, no. Testimony from the stand, yes. Questioning before even being charged (under Brogan v. United States) Yes. You quoted "entering a plea..." |
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Posted: 12/21/2016 5:31:39 AM EDT
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That I did.
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Posted: 12/21/2016 5:38:23 AM EDT
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That I did. Please don't take this personally, but I have always wanted to use this. |
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Posted: 12/21/2016 5:46:16 AM EDT
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Simple. Federal charges for violating the civil rights of the deceased. Not sure how this would be a civil rights issue.... as I'm doubting he killed him because he was some protected class. There are "standard" murder charges under the Federal code. I'm guessing if Prosecutors haven't charged him under those yet, and are instead pursuing the possession of ammo charges they either: A. Want to see how this case goes before considering a murder case against the genius. B. Lack of witness cooperation (either they're dead, in jail, unavailable, who knows) makes pursuing a murder case difficult. 4yrs is an eternity for some in the hood. |
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Posted: 12/21/2016 5:54:38 AM EDT
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You can call me whatever you want, but a person who brags about committing murder and walking free has no place in our society and I don't care if the Constitution says otherwise. I guarantee the framers of the Constitution would have had that man strung up one way or another. Go do something about it then. Or are you just one of those guys that expects other people to get their hands dirty for you? |
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Posted: 12/21/2016 6:17:43 AM EDT
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Friend of my dad's was a public defender and took his job very seriously. He got a guy off on a murder charge in a difficult case. After the verdict, outside the courthouse the guy turned to the lawyer and said, "thanks a lot. I really thought I was going to jail, since that time I really did it." He quit after that. I always figured it was the defense's job to ensure that the rules of law were followed, and that their client was not the victim of a violation of their rights. It's their job to make sure that the prosecution proves the case within the limits of the law. It's not the defense's job to "get people off" of their crimes. It's to ensure the legal system treats them fairly. |
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Posted: 12/21/2016 7:34:15 AM EDT
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Now you're just being acute. You've really taken this thread off on a tangent. |
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Posted: 12/21/2016 7:40:15 AM EDT
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Well he's an idiot.
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Posted: 12/21/2016 7:46:31 AM EDT
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If one of his victims was a relative of mine, that would be all I needed to hear. |
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Posted: 12/21/2016 7:55:07 AM EDT
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Am I the only one who read the OP, and thought of this guy?
 Richard Harrow learns Mickey Doyle a lesson!! Likely some punk wanting to seem dangerous when he thought he was safe..
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Posted: 12/21/2016 7:57:40 AM EDT
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In this case yes. He admitted that he was guilty of several felony firearms violations under NY law. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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MikeE23666: NY wins again. In this case yes. He admitted that he was guilty of several felony firearms violations under NY law. Which will probably get him about as much time as a murder conviction. |
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Posted: 12/21/2016 8:25:44 AM EDT
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I always figured it was the defense's job to ensure that the rules of law were followed, and that their client was not the victim of a violation of their rights. It's their job to make sure that the prosecution proves the case within the limits of the law. It's not the defense's job to "get people off" of their crimes. It's to ensure the legal system treats them fairly. You figured wrong. And in this case it appears the prosecution didn't prove their case within the limits of the law. |
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Posted: 12/21/2016 8:29:52 AM EDT
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No. just like pointing out he's a sociopath before he starts getting fans. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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First time you've seen GTHKTX post,eh? No. just like pointing out he's a sociopath before he starts getting fans. +1 |
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Posted: 12/21/2016 8:55:17 AM EDT
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By not having an eyewitness who would identify the accused. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Literal human garbage. He admitted to the crime. Screw his rights. Hang him high. It's easy to support our rights when the righteous are the victims. The true sign of someone that defends them is when it's a shithead that uses them. You are at best a fair weather friend of the Constitution. What I want to know is how the DA screwed up. By not having an eyewitness who would identify the accused. They probably just found a jury full of idiots. I'll bet that's easy to do in Syracuse. |
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Posted: 12/21/2016 9:00:56 AM EDT
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Quote Historysomebody call Dexter. Boondock Saints or Paul Kersey |
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Posted: 12/21/2016 9:12:40 AM EDT
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That's not going to make his defense attorney's job any easier at his next murder trial. Yup. He will kill again, now that he thinks he's the Teflon Gangster. Or another gangbanger will whack him for street cred. |
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Posted: 12/21/2016 9:19:10 AM EDT
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Only a fool would think the accused are angles. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Friend of my dad's was a public defender and took his job very seriously. He got a guy off on a murder charge in a difficult case. After the verdict, outside the courthouse the guy turned to the lawyer and said, "thanks a lot. I really thought I was going to jail, since that time I really did it." He quit after that. Only a fool would think the accused are angles. Yeah, they would have to be acutely obtuse. |
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Posted: 12/21/2016 9:19:57 AM EDT
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somebody call Dexter 
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Posted: 12/21/2016 9:26:42 AM EDT
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It's better that a 1000 guilty men go free than 1 innocent man jailed, GD says so
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Posted: 12/21/2016 9:32:18 AM EDT
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I don't think entering a plea is a sworn statement that could later be used in a perjury case. Right, I meant it as he didn't enter a plea of guilty, and thereby his plea wasn't an admission of guilt.
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Posted: 12/21/2016 9:32:38 AM EDT
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hit him for purgery. he just admitted it. He may not have taken the stand and testified, if he didn't pergury doesn't apply. |
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Posted: 12/21/2016 9:33:42 AM EDT
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Huh? I don't see anything about new evidence in there. (Mind you, I also don't see anything like "unless you are found not guilty in state court, then we will go after you in federal court for the same thing by pretending it is different, but that's another topic.) Agree. Sucks the asshole got off (assuming he's not just being braggadocios to get his buddy off), but the prosecution should have done a better job at proving there was no reasonable doubt. |
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