[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Mormons - explain this to me (Page 3 of 11)
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Quoted: Mormons claim to know where the battles of Nephites and Lamanites took place (Hill Cumorah), purchased some of the land where it supposedly occurred, and yet no surveys or digs have ever been publicly published. Hmm. Good luck ever seeing this question answered honestly. |
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I'm sure somebody more studious, devout, whatever than I am will chime in, but the short answer to your question is yes. In the Book of Mormon the Lamanites essentially wipe out the Nephites. The Book of Mormon ends around 400AD and it is a commonly held belief amongst Mormons that Native Americans are descendents from the Lamanites. Having said that, I think I've read that genetic research has disproven that a bit and claims Native Americans are not of Middle Eastern descent (i.e. Israelites). Negative, the Algonquian speaking tribes have Jewish DNA. |
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I guess I can pose this question here: Why do Mormons seem to hate Trump so much, and is it because his wife has sexy pics on the interwebs? (I know I live in Utah so I should know but I try not to ask people around me the things I would ask on arfcom)  He said quite a few anti-Mormon things a while back. Some dont wish to forget. |
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Negative, the Algonquian speaking tribes have Jewish DNA. Quoted:
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I'm sure somebody more studious, devout, whatever than I am will chime in, but the short answer to your question is yes. In the Book of Mormon the Lamanites essentially wipe out the Nephites. The Book of Mormon ends around 400AD and it is a commonly held belief amongst Mormons that Native Americans are descendents from the Lamanites. Having said that, I think I've read that genetic research has disproven that a bit and claims Native Americans are not of Middle Eastern descent (i.e. Israelites). Negative, the Algonquian speaking tribes have Jewish DNA. Proof? |
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It's not like they are lopping heads off of non Mormons. They seem like pretty upstanding folks. I just leave them to believe whatever they want. Quoted:
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I'll explain it all in one word, nonsense. It's not like they are lopping heads off of non Mormons. They seem like pretty upstanding folks. I just leave them to believe whatever they want. Tell that to those poor folks from Arkansas that didn't make it out of Utah. |
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Quoted: Why lie? Quoted: Originally Posted By tactical221 Mormonism is a social covenant that uses religion as an excuse to control every aspect of people's lives. It's great if you're rich and high up in the church, it sucks if you're on the lower rungs of society--just like any good cult. They are just sucking you in to get you to sign your assets over to the church when you die. It's a tarp!!! Why lie? |
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I'm sure somebody more studious, devout, whatever than I am will chime in, but the short answer to your question is yes. In the Book of Mormon the Lamanites essentially wipe out the Nephites. The Book of Mormon ends around 400AD and it is a commonly held belief amongst Mormons that Native Americans are descendents from the Lamanites. Having said that, I think I've read that genetic research has disproven that a bit and claims Native Americans are not of Middle Eastern descent (i.e. Israelites). Negative, the Algonquian speaking tribes have Jewish DNA. Proof? Haplogroup X is the Jewish DNA, from a quick search from what appears to be a non biased source. https://nativeheritageproject.com/2016/01/28/native-american-haplogroup-x2a-solutrean-hebrew-or-beringian/ |
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Do you mean me? I didn't/don't lie about anything. I talked at some length with the guys who first brought me to service, and they knew my beliefs well by then. Anyone at church who asks (and I'm sure everyone else by now) knows where I stand. I genuinely enjoy the services as well as the company of the church, even if I don't believe the teachings literally in some/many cases. They don't seem to mind, so why should I? Maybe they're hoping I "come around", and maybe I will, or maybe I won't. But no one is pressuring me, and I've made some great friends who don't seem to care either way. Quoted:
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Mormonism is a social covenant that uses religion as an excuse to control every aspect of people's lives.
It's great if you're rich and high up in the church, it sucks if you're on the lower rungs of society--just like any good cult. They are just sucking you in to get you to sign your assets over to the church when you die. It's a tarp!!! Why lie? Not you, the sign over assets to the Church comment. |
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I'll explain it all in one word, nonsense. It's not like they are lopping heads off of non Mormons. They seem like pretty upstanding folks. I just leave them to believe whatever they want. Tell that to those poor folks from Arkansas that didn't make it out of Utah. Tell that to the Mormons that didn't make it out of Missouri. |
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I'll explain it all in one word, nonsense. It's not like they are lopping heads off of non Mormons. They seem like pretty upstanding folks. I just leave them to believe whatever they want. Tell that to those poor folks from Arkansas that didn't make it out of Utah. This happen recently? |
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Tell that to the Mormons that didn't make it out of Missouri. Quoted:
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I'll explain it all in one word, nonsense. It's not like they are lopping heads off of non Mormons. They seem like pretty upstanding folks. I just leave them to believe whatever they want. Tell that to those poor folks from Arkansas that didn't make it out of Utah. Tell that to the Mormons that didn't make it out of Missouri. So that justifies the Mormons actions? You may want to research your hero Joseph Smith. He wasn't the saint you think he probably was. |
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I'll explain it all in one word, nonsense. It's not like they are lopping heads off of non Mormons. They seem like pretty upstanding folks. I just leave them to believe whatever they want. Tell that to those poor folks from Arkansas that didn't make it out of Utah. This happen recently? Mountain Meadows Massacre. They then pinned it on their native american brethren. Not a very christian thing to do since they are the lost children of Israel. |
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I'll explain it all in one word, nonsense. It's not like they are lopping heads off of non Mormons. They seem like pretty upstanding folks. I just leave them to believe whatever they want. Tell that to those poor folks from Arkansas that didn't make it out of Utah. This happen recently? 159 years ago. |
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So that justifies the Mormons actions? You may want to research your hero Joseph Smith. He wasn't the saint you think he probably was. Quoted:
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I'll explain it all in one word, nonsense. It's not like they are lopping heads off of non Mormons. They seem like pretty upstanding folks. I just leave them to believe whatever they want. Tell that to those poor folks from Arkansas that didn't make it out of Utah. Tell that to the Mormons that didn't make it out of Missouri. So that justifies the Mormons actions? You may want to research your hero Joseph Smith. He wasn't the saint you think he probably was. There's a lot of parallels between Joseph Smith and Mohammed actually. |
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So that justifies the Mormons actions? You may want to research your hero Joseph Smith. He wasn't the saint you think he probably was. Quoted:
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I'll explain it all in one word, nonsense. It's not like they are lopping heads off of non Mormons. They seem like pretty upstanding folks. I just leave them to believe whatever they want. Tell that to those poor folks from Arkansas that didn't make it out of Utah. Tell that to the Mormons that didn't make it out of Missouri. So that justifies the Mormons actions? You may want to research your hero Joseph Smith. He wasn't the saint you think he probably was. No, but people like you love to point out Mountain Meadows like it's something that is kept hidden. |
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As am I. I'm not LDS, but have known some. I once worked with a man who was self-proclaimed 'devout' (my adjective, not his) LDS. He believed that Hurricane Katrina was God's wrath on that "city of evil" (that IS what he said), and that Vegas should be next. EVERY group of individuals will have its bad apples, I get that. But I would be interested in hearing what those (who know more about LDS than I) have to say about that man's opinions He truly thought that the death of thousands was not only justified, but preferable and welcome. Quoted:
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Never the less I am in to learn a little more. As am I. I'm not LDS, but have known some. I once worked with a man who was self-proclaimed 'devout' (my adjective, not his) LDS. He believed that Hurricane Katrina was God's wrath on that "city of evil" (that IS what he said), and that Vegas should be next. EVERY group of individuals will have its bad apples, I get that. But I would be interested in hearing what those (who know more about LDS than I) have to say about that man's opinions He truly thought that the death of thousands was not only justified, but preferable and welcome. No different than Christians. They believe that the deaths of the defenseless men, women, and children who resided in Sodom and Gomorrah was justified and welcomed. More than that, Christians believe that genocide on a planetary scale -- the slaughter of nearly every human on Earth -- is justified and praiseworthy when done by God. |
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I dunno. How do Jews, Christians, and Muslims deal with the inconvenient genetic research discrepancies in the story of Adam and Eve? Quoted:
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I'm sure somebody more studious, devout, whatever than I am will chime in, but the short answer to your question is yes. In the Book of Mormon the Lamanites essentially wipe out the Nephites. The Book of Mormon ends around 400AD and it is a commonly held belief amongst Mormons that Native Americans are descendents from the Lamanites. Having said that, I think I've read that genetic research has disproven that a bit and claims Native Americans are not of Middle Eastern descent (i.e. Israelites). Interesting. How do mormon's deal with the inconvenient genetic research discrepencies? I dunno. How do Jews, Christians, and Muslims deal with the inconvenient genetic research discrepancies in the story of Adam and Eve? Most of us Catholics dont take the creation story and the bit about adam and eve as literal but rather allegorical. |
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I dunno. How do Jews, Christians, and Muslims deal with the inconvenient genetic research discrepancies in the story of Adam and Eve? Quoted:
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I'm sure somebody more studious, devout, whatever than I am will chime in, but the short answer to your question is yes. In the Book of Mormon the Lamanites essentially wipe out the Nephites. The Book of Mormon ends around 400AD and it is a commonly held belief amongst Mormons that Native Americans are descendents from the Lamanites. Having said that, I think I've read that genetic research has disproven that a bit and claims Native Americans are not of Middle Eastern descent (i.e. Israelites). Interesting. How do mormon's deal with the inconvenient genetic research discrepencies? I dunno. How do Jews, Christians, and Muslims deal with the inconvenient genetic research discrepancies in the story of Adam and Eve? I can respect people who're at least honest with themselves. I can understand the cultural/social/tribal reasons to claim the label, but to actually believe some of those claims (in the face of good objective evidence)? 
To try to use DNA when it's convenient but not when it's not convenient? We have tons of good objective evidence (DNA, fossil record, etc.) that we evolved, people still reject it.
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Mountain Meadows Massacre. They then pinned it on their native american brethren. Not a very christian thing to do since they are the lost children of Israel. Quoted:
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I'll explain it all in one word, nonsense. It's not like they are lopping heads off of non Mormons. They seem like pretty upstanding folks. I just leave them to believe whatever they want. Tell that to those poor folks from Arkansas that didn't make it out of Utah. This happen recently? Mountain Meadows Massacre. They then pinned it on their native american brethren. Not a very christian thing to do since they are the lost children of Israel. Painting the entire LDS community with a very broad brush over something that happened 159 years ago is a very christian thing to do. |
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Polygamy, raising your own army, claiming to have an ear to God, etc... Quoted:
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There's a lot of parallels between Joseph Smith and Mohammed actually. Oh aren't you a piece of work. Polygamy, raising your own army, claiming to have an ear to God, etc... So pretty much every prophet in the old testament is the same as Mohammed? |
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Haplogroup X is the Jewish DNA, from a quick search from what appears to be a non biased source. https://nativeheritageproject.com/2016/01/28/native-american-haplogroup-x2a-solutrean-hebrew-or-beringian/ Quoted:
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I'm sure somebody more studious, devout, whatever than I am will chime in, but the short answer to your question is yes. In the Book of Mormon the Lamanites essentially wipe out the Nephites. The Book of Mormon ends around 400AD and it is a commonly held belief amongst Mormons that Native Americans are descendents from the Lamanites. Having said that, I think I've read that genetic research has disproven that a bit and claims Native Americans are not of Middle Eastern descent (i.e. Israelites). Negative, the Algonquian speaking tribes have Jewish DNA. Proof? Haplogroup X is the Jewish DNA, from a quick search from what appears to be a non biased source. https://nativeheritageproject.com/2016/01/28/native-american-haplogroup-x2a-solutrean-hebrew-or-beringian/ That's nothing more than a big stretch. |
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Mormonism is a social covenant that uses religion as an excuse to control every aspect of people's lives. It's great if you're rich and high up in the church, it sucks if you're on the lower rungs of society--just like any good cult. Quoted:
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I'm sure somebody more studious, devout, whatever than I am will chime in, but the short answer to your question is yes. In the Book of Mormon the Lamanites essentially wipe out the Nephites. The Book of Mormon ends around 400AD and it is a commonly held belief amongst Mormons that Native Americans are descendents from the Lamanites. Having said that, I think I've read that genetic research has disproven that a bit and claims Native Americans are not of Middle Eastern descent (i.e. Israelites). Interesting. How do mormon's deal with the inconvenient genetic research discrepencies? Mormonism is a social covenant that uses religion as an excuse to control every aspect of people's lives. It's great if you're rich and high up in the church, it sucks if you're on the lower rungs of society--just like any good cult. Can you please explain how being "high up in the church" makes it so much better? |
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Most of us Catholics dont take the creation story and the bit about adam and eve as literal but rather allegorical. Quoted:
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I'm sure somebody more studious, devout, whatever than I am will chime in, but the short answer to your question is yes. In the Book of Mormon the Lamanites essentially wipe out the Nephites. The Book of Mormon ends around 400AD and it is a commonly held belief amongst Mormons that Native Americans are descendents from the Lamanites. Having said that, I think I've read that genetic research has disproven that a bit and claims Native Americans are not of Middle Eastern descent (i.e. Israelites). Interesting. How do mormon's deal with the inconvenient genetic research discrepencies? I dunno. How do Jews, Christians, and Muslims deal with the inconvenient genetic research discrepancies in the story of Adam and Eve? Most of us Catholics dont take the creation story and the bit about adam and eve as literal but rather allegorical. Was the Fall also allegorical, then? How do Catholics square an allegorical Genesis with a literal original sin? One would think that would also be allegorical. With no literal original sin, there's no real sacrifice. |
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I'm sure somebody more studious, devout, whatever than I am will chime in, but the short answer to your question is yes. In the Book of Mormon the Lamanites essentially wipe out the Nephites. The Book of Mormon ends around 400AD and it is a commonly held belief amongst Mormons that Native Americans are descendents from the Lamanites. Having said that, I think I've read that genetic research has disproven that a bit and claims Native Americans are not of Middle Eastern descent (i.e. Israelites). Negative, the Algonquian speaking tribes have Jewish DNA. Proof? Haplogroup X is the Jewish DNA, from a quick search from what appears to be a non biased source. https://nativeheritageproject.com/2016/01/28/native-american-haplogroup-x2a-solutrean-hebrew-or-beringian/ That's nothing more than a big stretch. It wouldn't be called faith if it there was undeniable proof. |
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They certainly would fit the modern definition of a Pedophile so there is that. Quoted:
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There's a lot of parallels between Joseph Smith and Mohammed actually. Oh aren't you a piece of work. They certainly would fit the modern definition of a Pedophile so there is that. My Catholic great grand father married a 14 year old girl, things were a little different back in the day. |
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Negative, the Algonquian speaking tribes have Jewish DNA. Quoted:
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I'm sure somebody more studious, devout, whatever than I am will chime in, but the short answer to your question is yes. In the Book of Mormon the Lamanites essentially wipe out the Nephites. The Book of Mormon ends around 400AD and it is a commonly held belief amongst Mormons that Native Americans are descendents from the Lamanites. Having said that, I think I've read that genetic research has disproven that a bit and claims Native Americans are not of Middle Eastern descent (i.e. Israelites). Negative, the Algonquian speaking tribes have Jewish DNA. Sure they do. Sephardic or Ashkenazi? |
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There's a lot of parallels between Joseph Smith and Mohammed actually. Oh aren't you a piece of work. They certainly would fit the modern definition of a Pedophile so there is that. My Catholic great grand father married a 14 year old girl, things were a little different back in the day. No, things were a little less civilized back in the day. |
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Sure they do. Sephardic or Ashkenazi? Quoted:
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I'm sure somebody more studious, devout, whatever than I am will chime in, but the short answer to your question is yes. In the Book of Mormon the Lamanites essentially wipe out the Nephites. The Book of Mormon ends around 400AD and it is a commonly held belief amongst Mormons that Native Americans are descendents from the Lamanites. Having said that, I think I've read that genetic research has disproven that a bit and claims Native Americans are not of Middle Eastern descent (i.e. Israelites). Negative, the Algonquian speaking tribes have Jewish DNA. Sure they do. Sephardic or Ashkenazi? Neither one of those is group X, but I'm guessing you knew that. |
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Most of us Catholics dont take the creation story and the bit about adam and eve as literal but rather allegorical. Quoted:
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I'm sure somebody more studious, devout, whatever than I am will chime in, but the short answer to your question is yes. In the Book of Mormon the Lamanites essentially wipe out the Nephites. The Book of Mormon ends around 400AD and it is a commonly held belief amongst Mormons that Native Americans are descendents from the Lamanites. Having said that, I think I've read that genetic research has disproven that a bit and claims Native Americans are not of Middle Eastern descent (i.e. Israelites). Interesting. How do mormon's deal with the inconvenient genetic research discrepencies? I dunno. How do Jews, Christians, and Muslims deal with the inconvenient genetic research discrepancies in the story of Adam and Eve? Most of us Catholics dont take the creation story and the bit about adam and eve as literal but rather allegorical. Yeah, it's interesting how the various Christian sects pick and choose which parts of the Bible they take as literal. If you're going to insist that some parts are fiction, how can any of it be trusted as being fact? |
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Haplogroup X is the Jewish DNA, from a quick search from what appears to be a non biased source. https://nativeheritageproject.com/2016/01/28/native-american-haplogroup-x2a-solutrean-hebrew-or-beringian/ Quoted:
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I'm sure somebody more studious, devout, whatever than I am will chime in, but the short answer to your question is yes. In the Book of Mormon the Lamanites essentially wipe out the Nephites. The Book of Mormon ends around 400AD and it is a commonly held belief amongst Mormons that Native Americans are descendents from the Lamanites. Having said that, I think I've read that genetic research has disproven that a bit and claims Native Americans are not of Middle Eastern descent (i.e. Israelites). Negative, the Algonquian speaking tribes have Jewish DNA. Proof? Haplogroup X is the Jewish DNA, from a quick search from what appears to be a non biased source. https://nativeheritageproject.com/2016/01/28/native-american-haplogroup-x2a-solutrean-hebrew-or-beringian/ Except no where in that article does it say that. |
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There's a lot of parallels between Joseph Smith and Mohammed actually. Oh aren't you a piece of work. They certainly would fit the modern definition of a Pedophile so there is that. My Catholic great grand father married a 14 year old girl, things were a little different back in the day. Isn't that called moral relativism? |
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I'm sure somebody more studious, devout, whatever than I am will chime in, but the short answer to your question is yes. In the Book of Mormon the Lamanites essentially wipe out the Nephites. The Book of Mormon ends around 400AD and it is a commonly held belief amongst Mormons that Native Americans are descendents from the Lamanites. Having said that, I think I've read that genetic research has disproven that a bit and claims Native Americans are not of Middle Eastern descent (i.e. Israelites). Negative, the Algonquian speaking tribes have Jewish DNA. Proof? Haplogroup X is the Jewish DNA, from a quick search from what appears to be a non biased source. https://nativeheritageproject.com/2016/01/28/native-american-haplogroup-x2a-solutrean-hebrew-or-beringian/ Except no where in that article does it say that. It's a native american site talking about group X in their DNA, now look up who group X belongs to. |
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I'm sure somebody more studious, devout, whatever than I am will chime in, but the short answer to your question is yes. In the Book of Mormon the Lamanites essentially wipe out the Nephites. The Book of Mormon ends around 400AD and it is a commonly held belief amongst Mormons that Native Americans are descendents from the Lamanites. Having said that, I think I've read that genetic research has disproven that a bit and claims Native Americans are not of Middle Eastern descent (i.e. Israelites). If an entire tribe of people who were picky about interbreeding and keeping a certain bloodline, completely left an area 2600 years ago would there still be evidence in that place of origin? Not LDS, just making an argument... |
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There's a lot of parallels between Joseph Smith and Mohammed actually. Oh aren't you a piece of work. Polygamy, raising your own army, claiming to have an ear to God, etc... Thats nothing unique to the Mormons. Hell, the Lutherans did that in the 1500's The Munster Rebelliion To be fair it was an offshoot of the Lutherans known as the Anabaptist's and even Martin Luther thought they were nutty. |
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Was the Fall also allegorical, then? How do Catholics square an allegorical Genesis with a literal original sin? One would think that would also be allegorical. With no literal original sin, there's no real sacrifice. Quoted:
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I'm sure somebody more studious, devout, whatever than I am will chime in, but the short answer to your question is yes. In the Book of Mormon the Lamanites essentially wipe out the Nephites. The Book of Mormon ends around 400AD and it is a commonly held belief amongst Mormons that Native Americans are descendents from the Lamanites. Having said that, I think I've read that genetic research has disproven that a bit and claims Native Americans are not of Middle Eastern descent (i.e. Israelites). Interesting. How do mormon's deal with the inconvenient genetic research discrepencies? I dunno. How do Jews, Christians, and Muslims deal with the inconvenient genetic research discrepancies in the story of Adam and Eve? Most of us Catholics dont take the creation story and the bit about adam and eve as literal but rather allegorical. Was the Fall also allegorical, then? How do Catholics square an allegorical Genesis with a literal original sin? One would think that would also be allegorical. With no literal original sin, there's no real sacrifice. I've always see original sin referring to early humanity as a whole, not some bitch eating an apple. The failing of humanity can be real but the story of it told in a simplified, allegorical fashion to teach a lesson about being obedient to God. |
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Yeah, it's interesting how the various Christian sects pick and choose which parts of the Bible they take as literal. If you're going to insist that some parts are fiction, how can any of it be trusted as being fact? Thats where faith comes in. If we had solid, concrete proof of everything in the Bible then it would be taught in history classes, not as a religion. At the end of the day faith in God helps me lead a better life, and to me thats the important part. |
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I'm sure somebody more studious, devout, whatever than I am will chime in, but the short answer to your question is yes. In the Book of Mormon the Lamanites essentially wipe out the Nephites. The Book of Mormon ends around 400AD and it is a commonly held belief amongst Mormons that Native Americans are descendents from the Lamanites. Having said that, I think I've read that genetic research has disproven that a bit and claims Native Americans are not of Middle Eastern descent (i.e. Israelites). Interesting. How do mormon's deal with the inconvenient genetic research discrepencies? I assume the same thing anyone does with ANY religion. |
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