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Posted: 12/21/2005 1:18:53 PM EDT
According to Washington Times Article, the Germans let the Americans know ahead of time what was going on, and the Americans made arrangements with the Lebanese to have him picked up in Beiruit. It would appear that much of the angst was misplaced. The Germans were on the American side, they just had to do it within their own rules which is reasonable enough.
By the way, given the apparent dislike of this board for Middle-Easterners who execute servicemen and get away without extradition, is there any chance that the US will extradite Ali Bazi from Detroit to Ireland for the executions of two of their soldiers in 1980? The Irish have been asking for a few years now... ___________________________ Navy diver's killer held in Beirut By Nicholas Kralev and Gary Emerling THE WASHINGTON TIMES December 21, 2005 The Lebanese killer of a U.S. Navy diver was in custody in Beirut yesterday, according to U.S. officials who decried his release from a German prison last week and pledged to bring him to the United States for trial. Relatives of the victim -- Waldorf, Md., native Robert Dean Stethem -- said yesterday they were "devastated" to learn of the killer's release and urged the Bush administration to demand an explanation from Germany. "Just to see him free slays us," said Richard Stethem, father of the seaman whose beaten body was thrown onto a Beirut runway in 1985. Mohammad Ali Hamadi, a member of the Hezbollah guerrilla group, received a life sentence in Germany for hijacking a TWA plane to Beirut and fatally shooting Petty Officer 2nd Class Stethem, but was paroled after 18 years and freed on Thursday. The United States, which has been seeking Hamadi's extradition since his 1987 capture in Frankfurt, privately expressed anger at his early release, but officials said they were determined to "get our hands on him." "We are going to make every effort to see that he stands trial here in the United States," said State Department spokesman Sean McCormack. "We are disappointed now that he has been released before the end of his full sentence." A life sentence in Germany ranges between 20 and 25 years, with the possibility of parole after 15 years. Hamadi, now 41, was convicted in 1989, and the two years served prior to that were deemed part of his sentence. For the Stethem family, the news reopened old wounds. Kenneth Stethem, the petty officer's older brother, called the release "absolute injustice," and called on the Bush administration to "bring to bear all of its resources to demand an explanation from the German government as to why he was released." U.S. and German officials said Berlin notified Washington a couple of days before Hamadi was released. The United States, whose extradition request was turned down in 1987, did not ask that he be held longer because it saw no chance that Germany would turn him over now. Instead, Washington approached the authorities in Beirut, where Petty Officer Stethem's murder occurred and where Hamadi arrived on Friday. A senior State Department official said Hamadi was in "temporary custody" in Lebanon, although it was not clear where or when he was arrested. Mr. McCormack said Washington was "talking to the Lebanese government" about bringing him to the United States, but that the issue was complicated by the lack of an extradition treaty with Lebanon. Germany refused to extradite Hamadi to the United States because he could face the death penalty. It also argues that he has been punished for his crime, and that trying him in a U.S. court would constitute double jeopardy. Mr. McCormack disagreed, saying "there is a difference in the interpretations between the legal systems" of the two countries. The decision to free Hamadi came just before the reported release of a German hostage in Iraq, Susanne Osthoff, but Berlin rejected suggestions that the developments were related. The Stethem family, however, was skeptical. "We feel pretty strongly [the hostage-taking] made his release happen much faster," Richard Stethem said. "I think the new [German] government ... thought it was an easy out to give him back to Lebanon." A U.S. official agreed privately that Hamadi "could have been held longer" and said Berlin's explanation was "not good enough." "There was no reason for him to be tried in Germany in the first place," said Patrick Stethem, Petty Officer Stethem's other brother. "He should still be tried here for the crimes he committed against a U.S. service member." _________ NTM |
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He'll probably get a ticket on Air CIA but get lost with the luggage over the ocean.
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Sure, we'll send them the body and they can bury it, cremate it, or sit it up in a comfy recliner with a bottle of scotch and a fine cuban cigar. As long as that motherfu**er is dead I don't care who gets his cold, dead corpse. |
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And the U.N. and E.U. will have a cow. |
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I'll start celebrating when he touches down on our soil. Let's hope we get the bastard.
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Good news it would seem.
If it happens (his extradition to the US) with respect to Ali Bazi? If this is true - the charges against him, I would say "Sure, give him up" Meanwhile, lets get our hands on the murderous animal that killed Petty Officer 2nd Class Stethem. |
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Yep, and he likes the US, IIRC. |
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I'm wondering why the domestic spying, secret prisons, etc are getting more play in the US media than in the world media? You would think the UN would be passing non-binding resolutions against us, and Romania, Bulgaria, etc would have thier EU entrace talks shuttered untill they could prove they weren't being accomplices to torture. Unless the UN and EU are in on it too... |
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Ain't no fucking WAY I want this guy getting anywhere NEAR the murderer-loving supporters in the ACLU. He needs to get a .50 cal ear-cleaning and be done with it. |
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I'll believe it when he goes on trial in the US (or washes up on the shores of the Med)
If they knew what was going down, sure doesn't sound like they clued the family in. Still doesn't make up for the Germans releasing him (or not extraditing him to the US in the first place) |
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I guess IDRC. Hope she's got balls! |
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Maybe those Euro-buffoons have finally realized it doesn't pay to be the proverbial pot calling the kettle black. |
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It's pretty open-and-shut. He was a bit miffed that his brother was killed in a firefight with UN troops at At-Tiri. A whiles later, he managed to capture three, and execute two soldiers in revenge. (the third escaped, wounded) Financial Times Germany are apparently reporting that Lebanon doesn't want to extradite Hamadi to the US. I see no reason for them to detain him in the first place if that were true, my guess is they're holding him as a bargaining chip for a few more million dollars in aid or some such. Feckit, give it to them. Costs that much to use a Tomahawk on his cell. NTM |
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I had a feeling he'd be dead or caught again very soon...this is great news.
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Quick! All criminals to Germany! The land of Milk and Honey, yeah! |
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I thought there was a catch to his release. The mistake was in arresting him. They should have snuffed him on touch down instead and thrown his body in some dark alley.
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Im sorry Germany |
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Finally. Someone needs to whack that POS. |
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Why? They still let the fucker go in an apparent hostage deal. That they then possibly tried to mitigate their craven act (so far, only the WT is reporting this) doesn't absolve them of letting the fucker go in the first place. I hope they have lots of Islamic terrorists in custody, because the word is out now that the Germans will deal. |
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Apparently if you look at the dates in question, and the organisations doing the demanding (Adn what their demands were), the -only- link between the two releases was the timing, and at that, the releases were reversed than you would expect for a trade. Nothing else apparently makes sense. Other posters have dealt with this on different threads.
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Screw em. I'll just revert back to the other thousand reasons why they suck. - BG |
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Ireland does not have the death penalty so just what would they do to Bazi?
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Germans, I am truly sorry that you have a sucky justice system which lacks a death penalty, and releases murderers while they are still in the prime of their lives... |
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What a relief. I was really upset with the Germans about this.
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Germany just went through their "throw out the democrap and elect a Republican" phase.
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Fuck Germany, they're nothing but Frenchmen gone rogue. |
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They worked within their system and now the bastard will have to deal with ours. The Germans could have really screwed us like other countries in the past and just let him go and not tell us where he would end up. But we were told and now he is custody again. |
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He'd probably end up spending the rest of his natural life in Portlaoise prison. NTM |
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Wouldnt hurt my feelings a bit if hijackers hijacked a arab plane and hit the UN building with it. Give them a taste of their own medicine. |
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For what? For being obstructionist assholes? Fuck 'em. |
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"Shot while attempting to escape." Yes. Has a nice ring to it. |
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Die slow and in pain, POS, die slow. Hopefully with a porkchop duct taped between your hands. |
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Why? Because they did something that should be expected from them? |
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Maybe not. Just hours later the same paper reports:
link We now return you to your regularly scheduled bashing of Germany. |
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We should have let the Russians have the whole country. Doubt that the rest of Europe would have complained.
With allies like Germany, who needs enemies? |
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Things are less confusing when Germany is our enemy. |
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Ain't it the truth? They make the Phrench look trustworthy. |
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