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Posted: 1/17/2015 11:27:57 PM EDT
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I've never met a BMW owner who wasn't a condescending asshole. True that! 
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Posted: 1/17/2015 11:37:11 PM EDT
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My '07 328i was a pain in the ass. Camshaft position sensor caused significant problems at 50K miles, just after warranty was up. I will never own another BMW unless it's an E30 or older.
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Posted: 1/18/2015 12:03:16 AM EDT
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I wonder if there is another common denominator to the people YOU are running into other than what they drive that makes them act like assholes. And for those with the butthurt over the condescending asshole remark, I didn't say all BMW owners were; Just the ones that I've met, at least all the heterosexual males that is. I have met some nice BMW owners, but all preferred the cock, both women and men. |
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Posted: 1/18/2015 12:23:25 AM EDT
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Perhaps. But the BMW they're driving (always in a fucking hurry) is the most obvious. And for those with the butthurt over the condescending asshole remark, I didn't say all BMW owners were; Just the ones that I've met, at least all the heterosexual males that is. I have met some nice BMW owners, but all preferred the cock, both women and men. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I wonder if there is another common denominator to the people YOU are running into other than what they drive that makes them act like assholes. And for those with the butthurt over the condescending asshole remark, I didn't say all BMW owners were; Just the ones that I've met, at least all the heterosexual males that is. I have met some nice BMW owners, but all preferred the cock, both women and men. what do you drive? ar-jedi |
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Posted: 1/18/2015 12:29:49 AM EDT
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what do you drive? ar-jedi Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I wonder if there is another common denominator to the people YOU are running into other than what they drive that makes them act like assholes. And for those with the butthurt over the condescending asshole remark, I didn't say all BMW owners were; Just the ones that I've met, at least all the heterosexual males that is. I have met some nice BMW owners, but all preferred the cock, both women and men. what do you drive? ar-jedi I drove a 740i for a little while, I'd like to think I'm a nice guy |
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Posted: 1/18/2015 12:40:34 AM EDT
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You guys are out of your fucking minds.
The i8 isn't a car you buy because you like to fuck with your own stuff and spend weekends at Vato Zone.. you buy an i8 because you're rich as shit and want to buy a ground-based spaceship. |
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Posted: 1/18/2015 12:41:33 AM EDT
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Somewhere Steve Jobs has a chubby...
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Posted: 1/18/2015 1:20:46 AM EDT
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what do you drive? ar-jedi |
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Posted: 1/18/2015 1:34:32 AM EDT
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I would guess a guy that can afford that car, wouldn't trouble himself to open the hood anyway.
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Posted: 1/18/2015 1:54:53 AM EDT
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Those cars are rockets to 100mph, don't let the peak numbers fool you NA V8 'merica guys.
I have a 2007 turbo BMW that so far has been a great vehicle, I don't feel it's any harder to work on then my honda's and chevys. So far into ownership I don't really understand the hate. |
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Posted: 1/18/2015 2:02:28 AM EDT
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Those cars are rockets to 100mph, don't let the peak numbers fool you NA V8 'merica guys. I have a 2007 turbo BMW that so far has been a great vehicle, I don't feel it's any harder to work on then my honda's and chevys. So far into ownership I don't really understand the hate. It's gd, once you have to grab the metric wrenches the cars becomes a pos |
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Posted: 1/18/2015 5:02:56 AM EDT
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I am a BMW tech at an independent shop. The vast majority of our customers are normal people, some of them are pretty awesome, I have only ran into a few that sucked. One of them even brought us all (everyone at the shop) lunch today since we checked the air in his Ferraris tires a few days ago when he stopped by. I wonder if there is another common denominator to the people YOU are running into other than what they drive that makes them act like assholes. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I've never met a BMW owner who wasn't a condescending asshole. I am a BMW tech at an independent shop. The vast majority of our customers are normal people, some of them are pretty awesome, I have only ran into a few that sucked. One of them even brought us all (everyone at the shop) lunch today since we checked the air in his Ferraris tires a few days ago when he stopped by. I wonder if there is another common denominator to the people YOU are running into other than what they drive that makes them act like assholes. I doubt it. I have nothing against BMW's, but a solid 8/10ths or so of people I see doing stupid crap involving cutting people off, running red lights, driving the wrong way on roundabouts (no, seriously), etc, are driving BMW's. It's not so much that all BMW drivers are assholes; it's that they seem to attract a lot of the drivers that already are assholes. |
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Posted: 1/18/2015 5:23:31 AM EDT
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which car do you own that goes 0-60mph in 4.4 seconds, and gets an EPA-rated 76MPG? ar-jedi Quote HistoryQuoted:
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A whopping 357bhp; stand the fuck back!  which car do you own that goes 0-60mph in 4.4 seconds, and gets an EPA-rated 76MPG? ar-jedi Not sure mpg would matter too much to me if I was spending >$100k on a car. I would hope I could afford to fuel it up
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Posted: 1/18/2015 6:40:24 AM EDT
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Mine is 24 years old and the most complicated thing in it is the electric sunroof. 5 speed,0 cup holders,heated nothing but it's been a long time since BMW built cars like this http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y86/mossie500/BCE81830-CFFA-4F9F-BF68-1DD5CDED5D17.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I've never met a BMW owner who wasn't a condescending asshole.
Mine is 24 years old and the most complicated thing in it is the electric sunroof. 5 speed,0 cup holders,heated nothing but it's been a long time since BMW built cars like this http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y86/mossie500/BCE81830-CFFA-4F9F-BF68-1DD5CDED5D17.jpg Classic and pure shape. Late 1990's the M3's were going for about $7000,= here, good thing I didnt buy one at the time
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Posted: 1/18/2015 7:01:43 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/18/2015 8:26:26 AM EDT
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A few years ago, two folks who were visiting said that they had brake lights that were not working. Both were driving fairly new BMWs.
I figured they just needed a bulb replaced; so I took a look. What I found is that BMW has a better idea: They use a single filament bulb. When you press the brake pedal, a computer sends current through the brake light bulb. If you press harder on the brake pedal, the computer sends more current through that same bulb---making it burn brighter. What a bunch of over engineered crock. |
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Posted: 1/18/2015 8:47:25 AM EDT
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BMW needs to fire the so called engineer that pulled that hood latch/ hinge set up out of his ass.Two latches/two cables really?Zero thought,design or engineering went into the hood of that car.
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Posted: 1/18/2015 9:01:19 AM EDT
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Classic and pure shape. Late 1990's the M3's were going for about $7000,= here, good thing I didnt buy one at the time Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I've never met a BMW owner who wasn't a condescending asshole.
Mine is 24 years old and the most complicated thing in it is the electric sunroof. 5 speed,0 cup holders,heated nothing but it's been a long time since BMW built cars like this http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y86/mossie500/BCE81830-CFFA-4F9F-BF68-1DD5CDED5D17.jpg Classic and pure shape. Late 1990's the M3's were going for about $7000,= here, good thing I didnt buy one at the time E36's are great cars, no more complicated any other cars of the time. Even the E46 M's are pretty straightforward. |
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Posted: 1/18/2015 9:08:28 AM EDT
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Quote Historyhe is somewhat right. i think certain cars attract assholes. he is wrong that all bmw owners are assholes. i work for acura and i noticed when we had the 07-08 tl type s come out it seemed to attract more assholes. edit oh and nice car |
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Posted: 1/18/2015 9:09:26 AM EDT
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BTW, people with i8 money aren't DIYing. Would still be nice to be able to open the hood and add wiper fluid yourself, though. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 1/18/2015 9:31:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: BMW needs to fire the so called engineer that pulled that hood latch/ hinge set up out of his ass.Two latches/two cables really?Zero thought,design or engineering went into the hood of that car. This is where the industry is headed tho - sealed motive packs, inaccessible engine compartments, black boxes, real time broadcast telemetry - you don't need to get in there idiot driver. If you are concerned about access now - wait for increasingly autonomous vehicles. Less and less access to key systems will be possible given the concern with tampering or unskilled service. Beyond what's been posted, very few BMW, hell most drivers anymore, want to get involved with thier car. There's no real issue here, unless youve lost power in a burning car crash. I'm told that's impossible. Wont keep people,from buying. Its a much more handsome car in person than pics. All the technology is down played - the theme is luxury. Interior is more sci-fi in function than design. Lush and rich rather than Star Wars. It's a nice car - BMW is focused on Tesla here. Technorati are the intended audience. BMW wants to be the most aspirational brand, I did not expect this car to work so well towards that end. All of the status symbol comments surprise me, it doesn't hit me this way. I thought it was kinda a sleeper. Obviously my opinion was wrong; there's image value here. Then again I don't hold BMW as a status vehicle in general, probably due to ownership. You are getting better value here than the other prestige brands - so BMW positioned itself well. Comical how we pigeon hole drivers based on their cars. The marketings effective. Z4 and 335is drop top here - so I could be biased. |
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Posted: 1/18/2015 9:38:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I doubt it. I have nothing against BMW's, but a solid 8/10ths or so of people I see doing stupid crap involving cutting people off, running red lights, driving the wrong way on roundabouts (no, seriously), etc, are driving BMW's. It's not so much that all BMW drivers are assholes; it's that they seem to attract a lot of the drivers that already are assholes. Dude in an Impala cuts you off, cars invisible. In a Ferrari, brand is magnified. It's perceptual. |
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Posted: 1/18/2015 9:47:11 AM EDT
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Ah-ha!
Proof that evil exists!
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Posted: 1/18/2015 9:51:21 AM EDT
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Would smash the chick in the green sweater.
Wouldn't touch that car. Ever. |
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Posted: 1/18/2015 10:01:43 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/18/2015 10:06:37 AM EDT
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The opposite - way too much engineering went into the car. Or better, the wrong kind of engineering, in an enthusiasts view. Most people are not enthusiasts.Though not surprising from the folx who thought iDrive was an enhancement when it first hit the market. [span style='font-size: 11px;']This is where the industry is headed tho - sealed motive packs, inaccessible engine compartments, black boxes, real time broadcast telemetry - you don't need to get in there idiot driver. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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BMW needs to fire the so called engineer that pulled that hood latch/ hinge set up out of his ass.Two latches/two cables really?Zero thought,design or engineering went into the hood of that car. The opposite - way too much engineering went into the car. Or better, the wrong kind of engineering, in an enthusiasts view. Most people are not enthusiasts.Though not surprising from the folx who thought iDrive was an enhancement when it first hit the market. [span style='font-size: 11px;']This is where the industry is headed tho - sealed motive packs, inaccessible engine compartments, black boxes, real time broadcast telemetry - you don't need to get in there idiot driver. I agree,to a point.The hood latch/hinge design screams out loudly to me 'mickey mouse'.I would not buy the car because of this.They put gull wing doors on and could not do better on the hood?Even if BMW wanted to keep me,the idiot consumer from going under the hood by myself,they could of designed something better that would at least not piss of the tech's that have to work on it |
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Posted: 1/18/2015 10:09:54 AM EDT
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This thread
I think most of gd would have preferred the automotive world to have stopped in 1969, so we could all drive slow, dangerous, shitty cars. This is a pretty limited run of car, there is nothing under that hood that is customer serviceable. Its not like they did this to the 3 series, relax. |
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Posted: 1/18/2015 10:43:26 AM EDT
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BMW needs to fire the so called engineer that pulled that hood latch/ hinge set up out of his ass.Two latches/two cables really?Zero thought,design or engineering went into the hood of that car. In euroland they call it a bonnet. 
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Posted: 1/18/2015 10:44:37 AM EDT
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Would still be nice to be able to open the hood and add wiper fluid yourself, though. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Quote HistoryQuoted:
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BTW, people with i8 money aren't DIYing. Would still be nice to be able to open the hood and add wiper fluid yourself, though. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile and blinker fluid.
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Posted: 1/18/2015 10:58:27 AM EDT
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This is a pretty limited run of car, there is nothing under that hood that is customer serviceable. Its not like they did this to the 3 series, relax. Except the windshield wiper fluid. Seriously, that shit runs out and you're supposed to book a fucking dealer service appointment? I know it's under there, I saw it! Sure all the high voltage shit is "not customer serviceable", but that's not the only thing under there. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 1/18/2015 11:10:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tlfreak I agree,to a point.The hood latch/hinge design screams out loudly to me 'mickey mouse'.I would not buy the car because of this.They put gull wing doors on and could not do better on the hood?Even if BMW wanted to keep me,the idiot consumer from going under the hood by myself,they could of designed something better that would at least not piss of the tech's that have to work on it Mfgs have done better, but neither sell cars. When you talk to product peeps, they're puzzled when you ask to get access to beyond the passenger compartment. You very rarely see pics of engines, transmission or suspensions in car rags - because the vast majority of the buying public doesn't give a shit about them. So neither does the mfg. It's not that BMW wants to keep you out , the development process doesnt place much value on easy acess for anyone. The gull wings are distinct, interfaced with each use and llargely responsible for the enhanced image of the car, so of course BMW concentrates on getting them right. The hood acess, not so much. No disagreement design-wise, but the reality is this is what the future holds. We aren't at sealed systems yet but you are seeing intermediate steps.
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Posted: 1/18/2015 11:30:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Except the windshield wiper fluid. Seriously, that shit runs out and you're supposed to book a fucking dealer service appointment? I know it's under there, I saw it! Sure all the high voltage shit is "not customer serviceable", but that's not the only thing under there. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: This is a pretty limited run of car, there is nothing under that hood that is customer serviceable. Its not like they did this to the 3 series, relax. Except the windshield wiper fluid. Seriously, that shit runs out and you're supposed to book a fucking dealer service appointment? I know it's under there, I saw it! Sure all the high voltage shit is "not customer serviceable", but that's not the only thing under there. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile But I agree having access requiring two individuals available to avoid damage is dumb. They'll probably make dealers buy a special asembly to deal with it.  |
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Posted: 1/18/2015 11:38:34 AM EDT
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I've never met a BMW owner who wasn't a condescending asshole. I don't own one now, but I've owned 4 BMW's in the past and I'm without a doubt the nicest guy you'll ever hope to meet.
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Posted: 1/18/2015 11:48:25 AM EDT
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Can't wait until some of our local mechanics get ahold of that.
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Posted: 1/18/2015 11:48:45 AM EDT
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I don't own one now, but I've owned 4 BMW's in the past and I'm without a doubt the nicest guy you'll ever hope to meet.
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I've never met a BMW owner who wasn't a condescending asshole. I don't own one now, but I've owned 4 BMW's in the past and I'm without a doubt the nicest guy you'll ever hope to meet.
Don't talk to him like he's a 3 year old... Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 1/18/2015 11:55:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Worked in a factory for large manufacturing company. One year we bought machinery from Germany. It ran so slowly and put out so few parts the item we made went obsolete quicker than any we had previously made. The machines were so complicated. It took 25-20 mins. to take all the guards off just to START to work on it. We had one machine that lost its program. I loaded started to load the program off the laptop and after 20 mins. I restarted the load over again, thinking something must be wrong. Most of our programmable machines could have it program loaded in a couple of mins. It actually took 4 hours to load the program. When they ordered more new machinery for a newer product.....they ordered it from Germany again.......must be some kickbacks somewhere for somebody. The factory where I use to work was bought about by a German corp. When the German engineers came thru they turned their noses up at how "crude" our designs were. When we got to see the design of the German equipment, holy shit, talk about over complicated. It was great quality, but overkill for the product. |
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Posted: 1/18/2015 1:20:16 PM EDT
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Lugerheads.
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Posted: 1/18/2015 1:26:15 PM EDT
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A Ford truck, or my wife's Honda Pilot. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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what do you drive? ar-jedi there is a guy at work who parks near me who has a ford truck with those stupid truck nutz dangling from the trailer hitch receiver. ergo, all ford truck owners are inbred redneck trailer park assholes. i love stereotyping. 
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Posted: 1/18/2015 1:27:43 PM EDT
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but the new corvette is made by GM... but its cool to buy BMW
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Posted: 1/18/2015 1:29:22 PM EDT
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Except the windshield wiper fluid. Seriously, that shit runs out and you're supposed to book a fucking dealer service appointment? I know it's under there, I saw it! Sure all the high voltage shit is "not customer serviceable", but that's not the only thing under there. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This is a pretty limited run of car, there is nothing under that hood that is customer serviceable. Its not like they did this to the 3 series, relax. Except the windshield wiper fluid. Seriously, that shit runs out and you're supposed to book a fucking dealer service appointment? I know it's under there, I saw it! Sure all the high voltage shit is "not customer serviceable", but that's not the only thing under there. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Except the washer fluid has a separate access panel near the base of the windshield, it does not require opening the hood. Only things I can see under the hood I'd brake fluid res, coolant res, low voltage battery, abs controller, cooling fan and radiator. A car like that you don't top up either of those fluids as regular maintenance, they don't need it and a loss of either means a problem larger then a individual who paid that much for a car is likely to fix in their driveway laying on some cardboard drinking a Coors light while their wife holds the flashlight. |
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Posted: 1/18/2015 1:32:49 PM EDT
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That's only if the power fails. Seems like a bad design for an emergency. Too fiddly. |
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Posted: 1/18/2015 1:36:03 PM EDT
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I love car threads on GD lol.
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Posted: 1/18/2015 1:38:04 PM EDT
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I've known a lot of BMW owners... maybe (MAYBE) 2 of them weren't what you described. They ranged from rich guys to poor guys, and all had identical attitudes. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I've never met a BMW owner who wasn't a condescending asshole. Yup same here.. I think the only ones that didnt fit were Germans in Germany.. |
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Posted: 1/18/2015 1:38:55 PM EDT
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BMW needs to fire the so called engineer that pulled that hood latch/ hinge set up out of his ass.Two latches/two cables really?Zero thought,design or engineering went into the hood of that car. derp. you have no idea how this works. here's how it goes: BMW R&D built a concept car, put it up on car show stages decorated with pretty women, and enough wealthy people said "i'll have one of those!" to the marketing droids standing there. BMW Sales says to BMW R&D, "we can sell these babies, so productize this thing ASAP." BMW R&D says to BMW Corporate, "the ding dongs in Sales want us to productize this one-off concept car, which takes away from other things we are supposed to be doing." BMW Corporate says to BMW Sales, "you guys have a viable business case for this?" BMW Sales says, "yes, we can sell at least qty 500 of them next year". BMW Corporate says, "you know that is like a day's production for the 3 series, right?" BMW Corporate says to BMW R&D, "the guys in Sales have a business case, but the qty is low, so keep the tooling budget really low, keep the R&D effort really low, and realize we are only gong to sell qty 500 per year to wealthy people who don't change their own oil much less their own wiper fluid." BMW R&D says, "ok chief". and they run off to turn a concept car designed for a show into a salable vehicle, with minimum R&D investment. ... that is how you end up with a "production car" which has "limitations". but i see GD is all affected by this since most of you are in the market for a US$165K car. so don't buy this one -- it requires your servants to pull on little loops to open the hood. ar-jedi |
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Posted: 1/18/2015 1:43:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: derp. you have no idea how this works. here's how it goes: BMW R&D built a concept car, put it up on car show stages decorated with pretty women, and enough wealthy people said "i'll have one of those!" to the marketing droids standing there. BMW Sales says to BMW R&D, "we can sell these babies, so productize this thing ASAP." BMW R&D says to BMW Corporate, "the ding dongs in Sales want us to productize this one-off concept car, which takes away from other things we are supposed to be doing." BMW Corporate says to BMW Sales, "you guys have a viable business case for this?" BMW Sales says, "yes, we can sell at least qty 500 of them next year". BMW Corporate says, "you know that is like a day's production for the 3 series, right?" BMW Corporate says to BMW R&D, "the guys in Sales have a business case, but the qty is low, so keep the tooling budget really low, keep the R&D effort really low, and realize we are only gong to sell qty 500 per year to wealthy people who don't change their own oil much less their own wiper fluid." BMW R&D says, "ok chief". and they run off to turn a concept car designed for a show into a salable vehicle, with minimum R&D investment. ... that is how you end up with a "production car" which has "limitations". but i see GD is all affected by this since most of you are in the market for a US$165K car. so don't buy this one -- it requires your servants to pull on little loops to open the hood. ar-jedi Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: BMW needs to fire the so called engineer that pulled that hood latch/ hinge set up out of his ass.Two latches/two cables really?Zero thought,design or engineering went into the hood of that car. derp. you have no idea how this works. here's how it goes: BMW R&D built a concept car, put it up on car show stages decorated with pretty women, and enough wealthy people said "i'll have one of those!" to the marketing droids standing there. BMW Sales says to BMW R&D, "we can sell these babies, so productize this thing ASAP." BMW R&D says to BMW Corporate, "the ding dongs in Sales want us to productize this one-off concept car, which takes away from other things we are supposed to be doing." BMW Corporate says to BMW Sales, "you guys have a viable business case for this?" BMW Sales says, "yes, we can sell at least qty 500 of them next year". BMW Corporate says, "you know that is like a day's production for the 3 series, right?" BMW Corporate says to BMW R&D, "the guys in Sales have a business case, but the qty is low, so keep the tooling budget really low, keep the R&D effort really low, and realize we are only gong to sell qty 500 per year to wealthy people who don't change their own oil much less their own wiper fluid." BMW R&D says, "ok chief". and they run off to turn a concept car designed for a show into a salable vehicle, with minimum R&D investment. ... that is how you end up with a "production car" which has "limitations". but i see GD is all affected by this since most of you are in the market for a US$165K car. so don't buy this one -- it requires your servants to pull on little loops to open the hood. ar-jedi The i8 got more attention during the press days of the North American International Auto Show the last two years then even the new BMW's they were rolling out during the press conferences. It was ridiculous the hard-on people have for them. It's never really done much for me. Looks cool but from my experience almost anything with gullwing/scissor type doors causes everyone to just lose their freaking minds.
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Posted: 1/18/2015 1:45:07 PM EDT
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derp. you have no idea how this works. here's how it goes: BMW R&D built a concept car, put it up on car show stages decorated with pretty women, and enough wealthy people said "i'll have one of those!" to the marketing droids standing there. BMW Sales says to BMW R&D, "we can sell these babies, so productize this thing ASAP." BMW R&D says to BMW Corporate, "the ding dongs in Sales want us to productize this one-off concept car, which takes away from other things we are supposed to be doing." BMW Corporate says to BMW Sales, "you guys have a viable business case for this?" BMW Sales says, "yes, we can sell at least qty 500 of them next year". BMW Corporate says, "you know that is like a day's production for the 3 series, right?" BMW Corporate says to BMW R&D, "the guys in Sales have a business case, but the qty is low, so keep the tooling budget really low, keep the R&D effort really low, and realize we are only gong to sell qty 500 per year to wealthy people who don't change their own oil much less their own wiper fluid." BMW R&D says, "ok chief". and they run off to turn a concept car designed for a show into a salable vehicle, with minimum R&D investment. ... that is how you end up with a "production car" which has "limitations". but i see GD is all affected by this since most of you are in the market for a US$165K car. so don't buy this one -- it requires your servants to pull on little loops to open the hood. ar-jedi Quote HistoryQuoted:
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BMW needs to fire the so called engineer that pulled that hood latch/ hinge set up out of his ass.Two latches/two cables really?Zero thought,design or engineering went into the hood of that car. derp. you have no idea how this works. here's how it goes: BMW R&D built a concept car, put it up on car show stages decorated with pretty women, and enough wealthy people said "i'll have one of those!" to the marketing droids standing there. BMW Sales says to BMW R&D, "we can sell these babies, so productize this thing ASAP." BMW R&D says to BMW Corporate, "the ding dongs in Sales want us to productize this one-off concept car, which takes away from other things we are supposed to be doing." BMW Corporate says to BMW Sales, "you guys have a viable business case for this?" BMW Sales says, "yes, we can sell at least qty 500 of them next year". BMW Corporate says, "you know that is like a day's production for the 3 series, right?" BMW Corporate says to BMW R&D, "the guys in Sales have a business case, but the qty is low, so keep the tooling budget really low, keep the R&D effort really low, and realize we are only gong to sell qty 500 per year to wealthy people who don't change their own oil much less their own wiper fluid." BMW R&D says, "ok chief". and they run off to turn a concept car designed for a show into a salable vehicle, with minimum R&D investment. ... that is how you end up with a "production car" which has "limitations". but i see GD is all affected by this since most of you are in the market for a US$165K car. so don't buy this one -- it requires your servants to pull on little loops to open the hood. ar-jedi Two actuators and a push butting would have done the job and you would still have those cool pull loops to service the stuff up front. From a technician stand point, that looks like a really big PITA. |
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Posted: 1/18/2015 1:45:56 PM EDT
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So, you pretty much have to take it into the shop to check the engine oil level or add windshield washer fluid?
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Posted: 1/18/2015 2:03:43 PM EDT
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If I had the disposable income to purchase a low 100K vehicle. I would purchase that. It's a status symbol. I'm not wrenching shit on my own 100K vehicle, and I don't care if I can't get the hood open. I think that part of its attraction as a status symbol is that if you want to show off the engine, you have to schedule an appointment and pay the technicians $300 so your friends can see it. I think that if I was in charge of custom options at BMW, I'd offer an annual service similar to GM's OnStar. My system would have a panel on the passenger side and when your friends press the button, it tells them that they suck. |
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Posted: 1/18/2015 2:07:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So, you pretty much have to take it into the shop to check the engine oil level or add windshield washer fluid? |
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Posted: 1/18/2015 2:09:08 PM EDT
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Knew it would be a BMW as soon as I read the thread title. And I am a BMW fan. |
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