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Posted: 3/14/2016 9:13:10 PM EDT
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as a former Army JAG prosecutor and defense counsel, I can say this: 1. Of all the appellate cases in which convictions were overturned for shady police work, NCIS was involved in the vast majority of them. Can you elaborate? Poor investigative practice, technique, and timeliness? Poor understanding of federal law/UCMJ/civil rights? Or, do you mean, straight up, dishonesty, and disregard for the law? |
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Posted: 3/14/2016 9:15:44 PM EDT
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Can you elaborate? Poor investigative practice, technique, and timeliness? Poor understanding of federal law/UCMJ/civil rights? Or, do you mean, straight up, dishonesty, and disregard for the law? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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as a former Army JAG prosecutor and defense counsel, I can say this: 1. Of all the appellate cases in which convictions were overturned for shady police work, NCIS was involved in the vast majority of them. Can you elaborate? Poor investigative practice, technique, and timeliness? Poor understanding of federal law/UCMJ/civil rights? Or, do you mean, straight up, dishonesty, and disregard for the law? From my experience on the other side of it, all of the above. I lost all respect for that organization long ago. |
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Posted: 3/14/2016 9:21:26 PM EDT
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My wife was NIS back before it was renamed to NCIS. The group was tasked with finding convictions where abuse of females and rape was concerned. This is still fallout from Tailhook.
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Posted: 3/14/2016 9:23:27 PM EDT
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Speaking from my experience as a sex crimes detective for years... Ever since regret became the socially accepted basis for rape, no one man is being treated fairly. |
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Posted: 3/14/2016 9:34:05 PM EDT
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Bottom line, you're an instructor in e military, you don't fraternize with your subordinates. It's that fucking simple, you set yourself up for an all pain no gain circumstance where you have the most to lose. Who cares if it was consensual, he was an idiot to put himself in that situation. This. |
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Posted: 3/14/2016 9:50:19 PM EDT
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Trash a career for what? Giving the team manager your number? I'd think a coach would want the equipment manager to communicate with him, yes? Having mids over? Not that big a deal. In fact, faculty are encouraged it. It is the "going running" meetings that are more concerning. That and being alone with a subordinate of the opposite sex, no matter how innocuous is bad juju. The final word though, is that she lied and lied about another inappropriate relationship. Rape is serious business. She should be in jail for the false accusation. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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My parents are both teachers, my dad was at the college level. I cannot fathom a reason why a student would ever have either of their personal phone numbers. Or even know their address, let alone visit their house. She was the manager of the travelling rifle team that he coached. Thus I can see her having a phone number. A lot of coaches and officers and local families and faculty sponsor mids, so having one visit the house it no unusual. I agree that it seem bad headwork on his part, but really not that unusual in Annapolis. That headwork must have been outstanding, to trash a career over. Trash a career for what? Giving the team manager your number? I'd think a coach would want the equipment manager to communicate with him, yes? Having mids over? Not that big a deal. In fact, faculty are encouraged it. It is the "going running" meetings that are more concerning. That and being alone with a subordinate of the opposite sex, no matter how innocuous is bad juju. The final word though, is that she lied and lied about another inappropriate relationship. Rape is serious business. She should be in jail for the false accusation. The one that lied about another sexual relationship said all their encounters were consensual. It was the other one that cried rape when her boyfriend found out. There's no doubt whatsoever that he had an unduly familiar relationship with a student. It seems obvious that he had an ongoing sexual relationship with a student, although I suppose there's some shadow of a doubt there. All things considered; fuck him. He's lucky to have any career left after what he did. An enlisted man certainly wouldn't. It's just a shame that one of the two women involved is still in. |
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Posted: 3/14/2016 10:16:01 PM EDT
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Under military law, a threesome is considered an indecent act — a serious crime. WTF? take all the fun out of life
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Posted: 3/14/2016 10:17:12 PM EDT
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Under military law, a threesome is considered an indecent act — a serious crime. WTF? take all the fun out of life I honestly never heard that or seen it enforced but who knows. |
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Posted: 3/14/2016 10:20:19 PM EDT
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I honestly never heard that or seen it enforced but who knows. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Under military law, a threesome is considered an indecent act — a serious crime. WTF? take all the fun out of life I honestly never heard that or seen it enforced but who knows. I think the UCMJ considers anything but missionary with your wife with the lights off to be indecent or even sodomy. 
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Posted: 3/14/2016 10:26:11 PM EDT
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The local honey pot looks sweet, but it's best to get your sugar somewhere else.
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Posted: 3/14/2016 11:00:39 PM EDT
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He should know better. Never put yourself into a position that can be questioned for any impropriety. Then how does one slay poon? What would PC Principal do? http://southpark.cc.com/clips/obqpq2/were-being-victimized |
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Posted: 3/14/2016 11:06:15 PM EDT
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I think the UCMJ considers anything but missionary with your wife with the lights off to be indecent or even sodomy. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Under military law, a threesome is considered an indecent act — a serious crime. WTF? take all the fun out of life I honestly never heard that or seen it enforced but who knows. I think the UCMJ considers anything but missionary with your wife with the lights off to be indecent or even sodomy. Not anymore. Lawrence gutted a couple of UCMJ articles, if you read the MCM on how they're applied. |
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Posted: 3/15/2016 6:48:20 AM EDT
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I think the UCMJ considers anything but missionary with your wife with the lights off to be indecent or even sodomy. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Under military law, a threesome is considered an indecent act — a serious crime. WTF? take all the fun out of life I honestly never heard that or seen it enforced but who knows. I think the UCMJ considers anything but missionary with your wife with the lights off to be indecent or even sodomy. Except for what happens in Thailand...because it stays in Thailand.
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Posted: 3/15/2016 8:06:14 AM EDT
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Can you elaborate? Poor investigative practice, technique, and timeliness? Poor understanding of federal law/UCMJ/civil rights? Or, do you mean, straight up, dishonesty, and disregard for the law? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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as a former Army JAG prosecutor and defense counsel, I can say this: 1. Of all the appellate cases in which convictions were overturned for shady police work, NCIS was involved in the vast majority of them. Can you elaborate? Poor investigative practice, technique, and timeliness? Poor understanding of federal law/UCMJ/civil rights? Or, do you mean, straight up, dishonesty, and disregard for the law? a little bit of all of the above. For some reason, of all the branches the Navy seems to be the quickest and most likely to throw their people under the bus. I get that commanding a ship at sea is different from commanding an Army battalion on land, but damn the Navy likes to eat their own. |
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Posted: 3/15/2016 8:09:50 AM EDT
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Though his jurors stopped short of kicking him out of the service. Did they need to? A mere allegation will end a military career, getting busted with brig time is a 100% career ender. How brave of them. |
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Posted: 3/15/2016 8:41:17 AM EDT
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Did they need to? A mere allegation will end a military career, getting busted with brig time is a 100% career ender. How brave of them. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Though his jurors stopped short of kicking him out of the service. Did they need to? A mere allegation will end a military career, getting busted with brig time is a 100% career ender. How brave of them. Would they have stopped short if it was an E-5? |
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Posted: 3/15/2016 8:50:00 AM EDT
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Would they have stopped short if it was an E-5? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Though his jurors stopped short of kicking him out of the service. Did they need to? A mere allegation will end a military career, getting busted with brig time is a 100% career ender. How brave of them. Would they have stopped short if it was an E-5? i know that's a rhetorical question, at least to those who have ever been to muster. for those who dont know, fuck no they wouldnt have stopped. If it was Sgt Snuffy, it would have been: -Brig time -BCD ------NO FURTHER ENTRIES----- |
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Posted: 3/15/2016 9:01:43 AM EDT
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as a former Army JAG prosecutor and defense counsel, I can say this: 1. Of all the appellate cases in which convictions were overturned for shady police work, NCIS was involved in the vast majority of them. 2. The officer corps is mercilessly moralistic and holier-than-thou. I'm not surprised at the one juror who said WTTE "lotsa holes in both stories, but it seemed something improper happened." HEY DUMBASS, THAT IS NOT PROOF BEYOND REASONABLE DOUBT. I had an O-6 brigade commander tell me once that a mere allegation of a "zipper problem" was as good as a conviction in his mind. So, I immediately asked him what he thought would happen if I left his office, went to the CG, and said "COL X solicited me for oral sex." He got the point. We were told that perception of wrongdoing was enough to get us hammered at Captain's Mast by NJP, but that's a lot different than a court martial. |
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Posted: 3/15/2016 9:02:52 AM EDT
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i know that's a rhetorical question, at least to those who have ever been to muster. for those who dont know, fuck no they wouldnt have stopped. If it was Sgt Snuffy, it would have been: -Brig time -BCD ------NO FURTHER ENTRIES----- Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Though his jurors stopped short of kicking him out of the service. Did they need to? A mere allegation will end a military career, getting busted with brig time is a 100% career ender. How brave of them. Would they have stopped short if it was an E-5? i know that's a rhetorical question, at least to those who have ever been to muster. for those who dont know, fuck no they wouldnt have stopped. If it was Sgt Snuffy, it would have been: -Brig time -BCD ------NO FURTHER ENTRIES----- BCD if the motherfucker was lucky |
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Posted: 3/15/2016 9:03:54 AM EDT
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Did they need to? A mere allegation will end a military career, getting busted with brig time is a 100% career ender. How brave of them. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Though his jurors stopped short of kicking him out of the service. Did they need to? A mere allegation will end a military career, getting busted with brig time is a 100% career ender. How brave of them. This. Just the allegation for a male officer is a career ender. |
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Posted: 3/15/2016 9:04:46 AM EDT
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Though his jurors stopped short of kicking him out of the service. Did they need to? A mere allegation will end a military career, getting busted with brig time is a 100% career ender. How brave of them. Would they have stopped short if it was an E-5? Male or female E-5? |
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Posted: 3/15/2016 9:17:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Speaking from my experience as a sex crimes detective for years... Ever since regret became the socially accepted basis for rape, no one man is being treated fairly. |
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Posted: 3/15/2016 9:29:25 AM EDT
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Did they need to? A mere allegation will end a military career, getting busted with brig time is a 100% career ender. How brave of them. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Though his jurors stopped short of kicking him out of the service. Did they need to? A mere allegation will end a military career, getting busted with brig time is a 100% career ender. How brave of them. They left him the option to possibly retire. Which he fucked away with this news article. |
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Posted: 3/15/2016 9:29:51 AM EDT
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i know that's a rhetorical question, at least to those who have ever been to muster. for those who dont know, fuck no they wouldnt have stopped. If it was Sgt Snuffy, it would have been: -Brig time -BCD ------NO FURTHER ENTRIES----- Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Though his jurors stopped short of kicking him out of the service. Did they need to? A mere allegation will end a military career, getting busted with brig time is a 100% career ender. How brave of them. Would they have stopped short if it was an E-5? i know that's a rhetorical question, at least to those who have ever been to muster. for those who dont know, fuck no they wouldnt have stopped. If it was Sgt Snuffy, it would have been: -Brig time -BCD ------NO FURTHER ENTRIES----- Yep. |
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Posted: 3/15/2016 9:49:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: i know that's a rhetorical question, at least to those who have ever been to muster. for those who dont know, fuck no they wouldnt have stopped. If it was Sgt Snuffy, it would have been: -Brig time -BCD ------NO FURTHER ENTRIES----- Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Though his jurors stopped short of kicking him out of the service. Did they need to? A mere allegation will end a military career, getting busted with brig time is a 100% career ender. How brave of them. Would they have stopped short if it was an E-5? i know that's a rhetorical question, at least to those who have ever been to muster. for those who dont know, fuck no they wouldnt have stopped. If it was Sgt Snuffy, it would have been: -Brig time -BCD ------NO FURTHER ENTRIES----- |
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Posted: 3/15/2016 11:15:51 AM EDT
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We were told that perception of wrongdoing was enough to get us hammered at Captain's Mast by NJP, but that's a lot different than a court martial. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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as a former Army JAG prosecutor and defense counsel, I can say this: 1. Of all the appellate cases in which convictions were overturned for shady police work, NCIS was involved in the vast majority of them. 2. The officer corps is mercilessly moralistic and holier-than-thou. I'm not surprised at the one juror who said WTTE "lotsa holes in both stories, but it seemed something improper happened." HEY DUMBASS, THAT IS NOT PROOF BEYOND REASONABLE DOUBT. I had an O-6 brigade commander tell me once that a mere allegation of a "zipper problem" was as good as a conviction in his mind. So, I immediately asked him what he thought would happen if I left his office, went to the CG, and said "COL X solicited me for oral sex." He got the point. We were told that perception of wrongdoing was enough to get us hammered at Captain's Mast by NJP, but that's a lot different than a court martial. actually, it's not. The legal standard of proof for NJP is still "beyond reasonable doubt." At least that's what it was in the Army and I cannot see it being different in the Navy. |
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Posted: 3/15/2016 11:24:34 AM EDT
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Now or back in the day? My ECM section leader slept with his subordinate's .mil wife, got caught, lost a stripe and some pay, and I found out a year or two ago that he stayed in and retired as an E-8. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Though his jurors stopped short of kicking him out of the service. Did they need to? A mere allegation will end a military career, getting busted with brig time is a 100% career ender. How brave of them. Would they have stopped short if it was an E-5? i know that's a rhetorical question, at least to those who have ever been to muster. for those who dont know, fuck no they wouldnt have stopped. If it was Sgt Snuffy, it would have been: -Brig time -BCD ------NO FURTHER ENTRIES----- Yeah, not anymore. Something like that's a career ender for sure now. |
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Posted: 3/15/2016 11:27:45 AM EDT
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actually, it's not. The legal standard of proof for NJP is still "beyond reasonable doubt." At least that's what it was in the Army and I cannot see it being different in the Navy. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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as a former Army JAG prosecutor and defense counsel, I can say this: 1. Of all the appellate cases in which convictions were overturned for shady police work, NCIS was involved in the vast majority of them. 2. The officer corps is mercilessly moralistic and holier-than-thou. I'm not surprised at the one juror who said WTTE "lotsa holes in both stories, but it seemed something improper happened." HEY DUMBASS, THAT IS NOT PROOF BEYOND REASONABLE DOUBT. I had an O-6 brigade commander tell me once that a mere allegation of a "zipper problem" was as good as a conviction in his mind. So, I immediately asked him what he thought would happen if I left his office, went to the CG, and said "COL X solicited me for oral sex." He got the point. We were told that perception of wrongdoing was enough to get us hammered at Captain's Mast by NJP, but that's a lot different than a court martial. actually, it's not. The legal standard of proof for NJP is still "beyond reasonable doubt." At least that's what it was in the Army and I cannot see it being different in the Navy. You would be wrong my friend. quoted from the jag manual: As such, the standard of proof by which facts must be established at mast or office hours is a "preponderance of the evidence," rather than "beyond a reasonable doubt," as it is at courts-martial |
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Posted: 3/15/2016 11:45:41 AM EDT
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Now or back in the day? My ECM section leader slept with his subordinate's .mil wife, got caught, lost a stripe and some pay, and I found out a year or two ago that he stayed in and retired as an E-8. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Though his jurors stopped short of kicking him out of the service. Did they need to? A mere allegation will end a military career, getting busted with brig time is a 100% career ender. How brave of them. Would they have stopped short if it was an E-5? i know that's a rhetorical question, at least to those who have ever been to muster. for those who dont know, fuck no they wouldnt have stopped. If it was Sgt Snuffy, it would have been: -Brig time -BCD ------NO FURTHER ENTRIES----- Not the same allegations of rape and such. |
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Posted: 3/15/2016 11:55:53 AM EDT
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actually, it's not. The legal standard of proof for NJP is still "beyond reasonable doubt." At least that's what it was in the Army and I cannot see it being different in the Navy. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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as a former Army JAG prosecutor and defense counsel, I can say this: 1. Of all the appellate cases in which convictions were overturned for shady police work, NCIS was involved in the vast majority of them. 2. The officer corps is mercilessly moralistic and holier-than-thou. I'm not surprised at the one juror who said WTTE "lotsa holes in both stories, but it seemed something improper happened." HEY DUMBASS, THAT IS NOT PROOF BEYOND REASONABLE DOUBT. I had an O-6 brigade commander tell me once that a mere allegation of a "zipper problem" was as good as a conviction in his mind. So, I immediately asked him what he thought would happen if I left his office, went to the CG, and said "COL X solicited me for oral sex." He got the point. We were told that perception of wrongdoing was enough to get us hammered at Captain's Mast by NJP, but that's a lot different than a court martial. actually, it's not. The legal standard of proof for NJP is still "beyond reasonable doubt." At least that's what it was in the Army and I cannot see it being different in the Navy. Lol. |
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Posted: 3/15/2016 12:01:01 PM EDT
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My ex was a college professor, and we had students here all the time, especially those working research projects. I still have students here often, mostly foreign nationals - at least two will be staying here for spring break next week. Not an exciting place to spend spring break, but it's comfier than their digs back at the school. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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My parents are both teachers, my dad was at the college level. I cannot fathom a reason why a student would ever have either of their personal phone numbers. Or even know their address, let alone visit their house. My ex was a college professor, and we had students here all the time, especially those working research projects. I still have students here often, mostly foreign nationals - at least two will be staying here for spring break next week. Not an exciting place to spend spring break, but it's comfier than their digs back at the school. My student adviser would have periodic BBQs at his place. When I took some continuing education classes recently, the instructors put both e-mail and cell on the syllabus. |
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Posted: 3/15/2016 12:05:06 PM EDT
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as a former Army JAG prosecutor and defense counsel, I can say this: 1. Of all the appellate cases in which convictions were overturned for shady police work, NCIS was involved in the vast majority of them. 2. The officer corps is mercilessly moralistic and holier-than-thou. I'm not surprised at the one juror who said WTTE "lotsa holes in both stories, but it seemed something improper happened." HEY DUMBASS, THAT IS NOT PROOF BEYOND REASONABLE DOUBT. I had an O-6 brigade commander tell me once that a mere allegation of a "zipper problem" was as good as a conviction in his mind. So, I immediately asked him what he thought would happen if I left his office, went to the CG, and said "COL X solicited me for oral sex." He got the point. We were told that perception of wrongdoing was enough to get us hammered at Captain's Mast by NJP, but that's a lot different than a court martial. actually, it's not. The legal standard of proof for NJP is still "beyond reasonable doubt." At least that's what it was in the Army and I cannot see it being different in the Navy. Lol. Right... as though that standard means anything in a court martial either. lol |
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Posted: 3/15/2016 12:07:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not the same allegations of rape and such. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Now or back in the day? My ECM section leader slept with his subordinate's .mil wife, got caught, lost a stripe and some pay, and I found out a year or two ago that he stayed in and retired as an E-8. Not the same allegations of rape and such. It was somewhat awkward being the CQ and supervising my section leader's after hours extra duty as part of his brigade level spanking. |
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Posted: 3/15/2016 12:36:47 PM EDT
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Though his jurors stopped short of kicking him out of the service. Did they need to? A mere allegation will end a military career, getting busted with brig time is a 100% career ender. How brave of them. Would they have stopped short if it was an E-5? Male or female E-5? This. |
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Posted: 3/15/2016 12:46:49 PM EDT
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He's not that innocent, got caught lying towards the end of the article.
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Posted: 3/15/2016 12:51:43 PM EDT
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My wife was NIS back before it was renamed to NCIS. The group was tasked with finding convictions where abuse of females and rape was concerned. This is still fallout from Tailhook. The O Club at Miramar was a lot of fun on Thursday night in the 80's. |
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Posted: 3/15/2016 12:53:41 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/15/2016 12:54:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:To be fair, she did whore around with five different platoon members three of whom were married, including a spit roasting threesome. Somehow coed group viewing of porn films that included the Platoon Sergeant was found to be a mitigating circumstance.
It was somewhat awkward being the CQ and supervising my section leader's after hours extra duty as part of his brigade level spanking. pretty sure her sister was loaned to our BN for a deployment. She was known as the morale girl, and she wouldnt deny it. |
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Posted: 3/15/2016 12:55:08 PM EDT
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He's not that innocent, got caught lying towards the end of the article. My take as well. Innocent of the sex assault he was found not guilty of, but rightfully convicted of the lesser offenses (based on his own admissions to the WP reporter). |
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Posted: 3/15/2016 8:24:46 PM EDT
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This is one of one million circumstances that everyone past E-3 knows will end in potential career death. They know it. Everyone does. Just playing strip poker with the subordinates and not fucking anyone was enough. Probably just drinking with them was enough. Risk vs gain. Obviously .mil pussy is apparently fucking magical enough to make people willing to throw away real careers (CO's, SNCOs' CWO's etc) CWG is the SME on .mil pussy so I defer to him I waited until my last week to embark on smash fest 2013. For that reason. 
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Posted: 3/15/2016 9:04:01 PM EDT
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You would be wrong my friend. quoted from the jag manual: Quote HistoryQuoted:
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as a former Army JAG prosecutor and defense counsel, I can say this: 1. Of all the appellate cases in which convictions were overturned for shady police work, NCIS was involved in the vast majority of them. 2. The officer corps is mercilessly moralistic and holier-than-thou. I'm not surprised at the one juror who said WTTE "lotsa holes in both stories, but it seemed something improper happened." HEY DUMBASS, THAT IS NOT PROOF BEYOND REASONABLE DOUBT. I had an O-6 brigade commander tell me once that a mere allegation of a "zipper problem" was as good as a conviction in his mind. So, I immediately asked him what he thought would happen if I left his office, went to the CG, and said "COL X solicited me for oral sex." He got the point. We were told that perception of wrongdoing was enough to get us hammered at Captain's Mast by NJP, but that's a lot different than a court martial. actually, it's not. The legal standard of proof for NJP is still "beyond reasonable doubt." At least that's what it was in the Army and I cannot see it being different in the Navy. You would be wrong my friend. quoted from the jag manual: As such, the standard of proof by which facts must be established at mast or office hours is a "preponderance of the evidence," rather than "beyond a reasonable doubt," as it is at courts-martial that's why I wasn't a Navy JAG
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Posted: 3/15/2016 9:12:07 PM EDT
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We were told that perception of wrongdoing was enough to get us hammered at Captain's Mast by NJP, but that's a lot different than a court martial. actually, it's not. The legal standard of proof for NJP is still "beyond reasonable doubt." At least that's what it was in the Army and I cannot see it being different in the Navy. You would be wrong my friend. quoted from the jag manual: As such, the standard of proof by which facts must be established at mast or office hours is a "preponderance of the evidence," rather than "beyond a reasonable doubt," as it is at courts-martial that's why I wasn't a Navy JAG
I was surprised to find they were different. I grew up with preponderance of the evidence (if that), and didn't know the Army used the court martial standard. |
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Posted: 3/16/2016 7:19:11 AM EDT
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Though his jurors stopped short of kicking him out of the service. Did they need to? A mere allegation will end a military career, getting busted with brig time is a 100% career ender. How brave of them. They left him the option to possibly retire. Which he fucked away with this news article. The article was of questionable benefit ... even before the last couple of sections. And with the discovery of the phone, the article is Exhibit A for a much bigger mess. Creating a national media lie to win back your security clearance? While not explicitly posed as a line item question on an SF-86, it's sort of implied. Sort of. Then again, since the reporter stumbled across part of the truth in the article and published it, maybe it doesn't qualify as adverse information anymore?
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Posted: 3/16/2016 7:26:05 AM EDT
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The article was of questionable benefit ... even before the last couple of sections. And with the discovery of the phone, the article is Exhibit A for a much bigger mess. Creating a national media lie to win back your security clearance? While not explicitly posed as a line item question on an SF-86, it's sort of implied. Sort of. Then again, since the reporter stumbled across part of the truth in the article and published it, maybe it doesn't qualify as adverse information anymore?
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Though his jurors stopped short of kicking him out of the service. Did they need to? A mere allegation will end a military career, getting busted with brig time is a 100% career ender. How brave of them. They left him the option to possibly retire. Which he fucked away with this news article. The article was of questionable benefit ... even before the last couple of sections. And with the discovery of the phone, the article is Exhibit A for a much bigger mess. Creating a national media lie to win back your security clearance? While not explicitly posed as a line item question on an SF-86, it's sort of implied. Sort of. Then again, since the reporter stumbled across part of the truth in the article and published it, maybe it doesn't qualify as adverse information anymore?
He has an appeal pending before CAAF if I read correctly. That appeal will be denied. New charges might be preferred because of the new information in the article, I'd have to look up statutes of limitations and what not, but they can even possibly make the argument they don't matter as he committed new offenses they might charge him with. He's absolutely and utterly fucked, and the USMC doesn't take this sort of thing lightly. And he did it to himself when he was already home free and ready to retire as an O-5. |
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Posted: 3/16/2016 7:37:27 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/16/2016 7:56:23 AM EDT
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Interestingly, one of the officers on his appeal board was LTC Kate Germano ETA: Oh, and that Major is a piece of garbage. I see that she was fired from running USMC boot camp, is there something else going on with her? I've never heard of her before. |
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Posted: 3/16/2016 9:17:20 AM EDT
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Interestingly, one of the officers on his appeal board was LTC Kate Germano ETA: Oh, and that Major is a piece of garbage. I see that she was fired from running USMC boot camp, is there something else going on with her? I've never heard of her before. She got bounced June 30 after a command investigation accused her of “toxic leadership” by berating and showing contempt for subordinates in public. The 300-page report found her to be “hostile, unprofessional and abusive “ and told recruits that sexual assault was preventable, and that those who drank put themselves in a position to be assaulted.
She also told recruits male Marines would never take orders from them and would see them as inferior if they couldn’t meet men’s physical standards. http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/07/13/ouster-marine-officer-overseeing-female-boot-camp-training-sparks-controversy.html |
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Posted: 3/16/2016 9:22:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I see that she was fired from running USMC boot camp, is there something else going on with her? I've never heard of her before. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Interestingly, one of the officers on his appeal board was LTC Kate Germano ETA: Oh, and that Major is a piece of garbage. I see that she was fired from running USMC boot camp, is there something else going on with her? I've never heard of her before. |
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Posted: 3/16/2016 9:30:42 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/16/2016 9:31:31 AM EDT
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