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Link Posted: 9/16/2009 5:48:33 PM EDT
[#1]
I've always said that the death penalty should consist of giving the victim's family 30 minutes alone with the convict and a toolbox.
Link Posted: 9/16/2009 5:50:05 PM EDT
[#2]
Quoted:
There's always the neck.


Exactly, when Dr's want to distribute drugs through-out the entire body fast, they use the jugular vein (seen this done first hand during my clinicals as a student).  Very rapid mode of delivery.  I still prefer bullets or drowning be used.
Link Posted: 9/16/2009 5:50:44 PM EDT
[#3]
Get a court order for a PICC line.

Problem solved.
Link Posted: 9/16/2009 5:51:18 PM EDT
[#4]
Tough shit.

Anyone else notice that he's been locked up 25 years already?  Get on with it...  The victim, if that POS hadn't killed her, would be close to 40 years old now.
Link Posted: 9/16/2009 5:56:05 PM EDT
[#5]
Intraosseous, central line or anyone have 20' of manila rope?

Kharn
Link Posted: 9/16/2009 5:56:38 PM EDT
[#6]


Problem solved.
Link Posted: 9/16/2009 6:00:49 PM EDT
[#7]
If Dr. Murray could find a vein in Michael Jackson, he could find one in this shit-stain.
Link Posted: 9/16/2009 6:02:11 PM EDT
[#8]
Convicted murders should die in the same manner as their victim and go through the same agony their victim went through.



Strangled victim = strangled murderer

Stabbed victim = stabbed murder

Shot victim = shot murderer

Bludgeoned victim = bludgeoned murder

Victim burned to death = murderer burned to death

Etc.
Link Posted: 9/16/2009 6:05:21 PM EDT
[#9]
Send the dirtbag to TX - they know how to execute a condemned man.
Link Posted: 9/16/2009 6:05:28 PM EDT
[#10]
bullet to the fucking head....next.
Link Posted: 9/16/2009 6:07:05 PM EDT
[#11]
Quoted:
Convicted murders should die in the same manner as their victim and go through the same agony their victim went through.

Strangled victim = strangled murderer
Stabbed victim = stabbed murder
Shot victim = shot murderer
Bludgeoned victim = bludgeoned murder
Victim burned to death = murderer burned to death
Etc.


I agree, I tried explaining that to someone once and all I got was a deer in the headlight look.
Link Posted: 9/16/2009 6:07:22 PM EDT
[#12]
ppk



effective
Link Posted: 9/16/2009 6:08:44 PM EDT
[#13]
I read this shit this morning and thought, "Anyone have a gun" or just strangle the fuck as he did, really.....
This shit is ridiculous, we're paying because the junkie murderer has IV abused veins!
Link Posted: 9/16/2009 6:10:49 PM EDT
[#14]
Kill it with fire.

Hell, I'll bring the fuel...just let me know ahead of time so I can take off work that day.

Link Posted: 9/16/2009 6:11:38 PM EDT
[#15]
Hmmm.


Nope, don't care. Kill him.
Link Posted: 9/16/2009 6:13:15 PM EDT
[#16]
We wouldn't have this problem with Death by John Hopkins medical student.
Link Posted: 9/16/2009 6:14:14 PM EDT
[#17]
I say we see how many BB pellets it takes to kill a guy.

Maybe that's just me.
Link Posted: 9/16/2009 6:16:23 PM EDT
[#18]
Upon realizing they could not find a vein, they should have had compassion, pulled out a knife and gutted him like a fish.
Link Posted: 9/16/2009 6:17:47 PM EDT
[#19]
I can do the job for thirty cents or less and I guarantee it will not be "botched".
Link Posted: 9/16/2009 6:17:54 PM EDT
[#20]



Quoted:


Firing squad. 5 riflemen with .308s. $2.50 for the ammo






 
Link Posted: 9/16/2009 6:18:17 PM EDT
[#21]
Quoted:
Firing squad. 5 riflemen with .308s. $2.50 for the ammo


Hammer is re-usable.


I have to give Texas a big thumbs up, when they couldn't find a vein in his arm they went to his leg, without stalling and asking mother may I.  

"Darnell, WTF is taking so long?"
"Fucking IV drug users, I can't find a useable vein in his arm."
"Darnell, I don't want to be delaying this execution because you can't find a vein. Hell the nurses in the local ER could have found a vein by now, do I need to call one."
"Fuck that Warden, I will find a vein if I have to keep sticking this dirtbag all night."

Link Posted: 9/16/2009 6:19:55 PM EDT
[#22]
Quoted:
Seriously, and lawyers wonder why people hate them.  You can follow the link to post your comments.  Apparently some libs are upset about this.

http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/ohio-news/ohio-inmate-traumatized-after-failed-execution-300718.html


Ohio inmate 'traumatized' after failed execution

Prison officials blame inability to find vein on Romell Broom's past drug use

COLUMBUS, Ohio — The lawyer for an inmate whose execution was halted after an unprecedented two hours said trying to put him to death again in a week could be a disaster.  

Romell Broom is still recovering from Tuesday's prolonged execution attempt and is physically and emotionally traumatized, his attorney, Adele Shank, said Wednesday.

"It went so badly when he was walking in without injured veins, to go forward so soon afterward just seems to be inviting disaster," Shank said.

Gov. Ted Strickland's decision to stop Tuesday's execution and grant a one-week reprieve appeared to be unprecedented since capital punishment was declared constitutional and the nation resumed executions in the 1970s.

Inmates in several states have experienced delays with the injection of lethal chemicals, but those executions have always proceeded the same day.

Shank said one option was to ask Strickland to consider a request for clemency and to commute Broom's sentence.

Strickland said he is reviewing the incident and consulting with prison officials and others about the next step.

"That does not mean there will be a review of the larger issue of lethal injections," Strickland said Wednesday. "That's been settled. Obviously yesterday demonstrated that we have a problem with this particular set of circumstances."

A prison log released Wednesday blamed Broom's past drug use for problems finding a usable vein.

The log indicates that executioners made the observation at 3:11 p.m., more than an hour after first trying to find a vein.

"Medical team having problem maintaining an open vein due to past drug use," said the log reviewed by The Associated Press.

Broom said at one point he was a heavy heroin user, but then said at another time that he wasn't, prisons spokeswoman Julie Walburn said Wednesday.

Shank said she was unaware of any such drug use.

"If there's such a thing, it's got to be atleast 25 years old," she said. "I don't thinking it should be having an impact at this late date."

Broom, 53, has been placed in a cell in the infirmary at the Southern Ohio Correctional Facility in Lucasville where he is on close watch similar to the constant observation of death row inmates in the three days before an execution.

"It was the right place to keep him," Walburn said. "The less we can transport an offender, the better."

Death row inmates are housed in a Youngstown prison and executed in the death chamber at Lucasville. There's no precedent for housing an inmate whose execution didn't work.

The night before his scheduled execution, Broom told his brother over the phone that he was ready to die.

"He is tired of being in prison and having people tell him what to do everyday," according to the prison log.

Broom was sentenced to die for the rape and slaying of a 14-year-old Tryna Middleton after abducting her in Cleveland in September 1984 as she walked home from a Friday night football game with two friends.

Richard Dieter, director of the nonprofit Death Penalty Information Center, said he knows of only one inmate who was subjected to more than one execution.

A first attempt to execute Willie Francis in 1946 by electrocution in Louisiana did not work. He was returned to death row for nearly a year while the U.S. Supreme Court considered whether a second electrocution would be unconstitutional.

In 2007, the Georgia execution of inmate John Hightower was delayed for several minutes while officials struggled to find a suitable vein in his left arm.

Florida halted executions after the death of Angel Diaz in December 2006 was delayed for 34 minutes because needles were accidentally pushed through his veins, causing the chemicals to go into his muscles instead. Florida resumed executions in 2008 under new procedures.

In Texas in 2000, the execution of Claude Jones was delayed by about 30 minutes because of difficulties finding a vein in either arm to insert the drugs. Authorities used a vein in his left leg instead.

Problems accessing veins also delayed Ohio executions in 2006 and 2007.

In 2006, the execution of Joseph Clark was delayed for more than an hour after the team failed to properly attach an IV, an incident that led to changes in Ohio's execution process.

The state also had difficulty finding the veins of inmate Christopher Newton, whose May 2007 execution was delayed nearly two hours.

Since Clark, the state's execution rules have allowed team members to take as much time as they need to find the best vein for the IVs that carry the three lethal chemicals.

Ohio has executed 32 men since Wilford Berry in 1999, an execution slightly delayed also because of problems finding a vein.





JGC. How much does a single 45ACP round cost?   Can't find the vein.              
Link Posted: 9/16/2009 6:20:33 PM EDT
[#23]
They couldn't find his fuckin' jugular???
Link Posted: 9/16/2009 6:23:21 PM EDT
[#24]
"Guillotine" would appear a procedure with a low failure rate.                              
Link Posted: 9/16/2009 6:23:40 PM EDT
[#25]
Someone here who knows more about anatomy than me tell me why they can't use something like a FAST-1 to put it into bone marrow or just use the femoral or carotid?
Link Posted: 9/16/2009 6:24:53 PM EDT
[#26]
Quoted:
Firing squad. 5 riflemen with .308s. $2.50 for the ammo


110 grain TAP out of 24" barrels... Would not be cruel under any standard...

ETA:

Hire an accomplished surgeon... Give him/her a couple hours to find a big juicy vein the druggie had yet to collapse...

Link Posted: 9/16/2009 6:27:58 PM EDT
[#27]
Bullets work remarkably well when one can't find a vein....
Link Posted: 9/16/2009 6:28:01 PM EDT
[#28]
Screw him. He's still getting off WAY top easy in my book.

I see Strickland is being reasonable about the whole deal, despite being a Democrat. As much as Id like to bitch about the guy, he seems pretty decent. Better than than idiot Taft.
Link Posted: 9/16/2009 6:28:14 PM EDT
[#29]
Link Posted: 9/16/2009 6:28:55 PM EDT
[#30]
Tall tree, short rope. Recycle as necessary.
Link Posted: 9/16/2009 6:29:41 PM EDT
[#31]
Link Posted: 9/16/2009 6:29:59 PM EDT
[#32]
Quoted:
Tall tree, short rope. Recycle as necessary.


REALLLLLY short drop...

Link Posted: 9/16/2009 6:30:06 PM EDT
[#33]
Quoted:

Quoted:
I was thinking about this earlier.

What if the guy trying to administer the execution said "Fuck it", grabbed a fire extinguisher off the wall and smashed the guy's head in?  What legal trouble would he be in?

He'd get a Lifetime membership here before the ringing in his ears had stopped
 


I'd fucking buy it.  This execution shit has gotten way too complicated and expensive
Link Posted: 9/16/2009 6:30:14 PM EDT
[#34]
Firing squad.  Problem solved.
Link Posted: 9/16/2009 6:31:34 PM EDT
[#35]
Link Posted: 9/16/2009 6:35:04 PM EDT
[#36]
Quoted:
Someone here who knows more about anatomy than me tell me why they can't use something like a FAST-1 to put it into bone marrow or just use the femoral or carotid?


I am sure they just don't have any IO or central lines laying around in the execution room. Not in their protocols either. I really don't think that I could get into any protocol issues if the patient ends up dieing in this case
Link Posted: 9/16/2009 6:36:38 PM EDT
[#37]
Quoted:
Quoted:
I could find a vein.


Are you arguing it's a question of motivation?

"We can't find a vein!"

87GN grabs needle, jabs it into the jugular. "I found one, you pussies."


This works for me...
Link Posted: 9/16/2009 6:38:11 PM EDT
[#38]
Link Posted: 9/16/2009 6:40:26 PM EDT
[#39]
Am I the only guy here with veins on the back of my hands?  Other than that I was thinking neck or penis  

I think a good stoning would take care of this.


Yeah we need to delay this, he is traumatized  Nevermind that 14 year old girl he raped and murdered.  Where were his feelings then?
Link Posted: 9/16/2009 6:41:51 PM EDT
[#40]
Link Posted: 9/16/2009 6:42:02 PM EDT
[#41]
Link Posted: 9/16/2009 6:43:50 PM EDT
[#42]
Put a little hole in the front of his head and a big hole in the back.
Link Posted: 9/16/2009 6:45:21 PM EDT
[#43]
Link Posted: 9/16/2009 6:45:59 PM EDT
[#44]
Quoted:
Quoted:
I'd fucking buy it.  This execution shit has gotten way too complicated and expensive


For some reason our society seems to think that killing a child rapist/murderer shouldn't cause any pain. In the days of the founders they shot people or hanged them. Both involve some pain. They were cool with it.

Dying often hurts no matter what is doing the deed...bullets, blades, cancer, crushing trauma, whatever.

Our methods should be concerned with efficiency....not painlessness. Something that works and works quickly. Firing squad was efficient. Hanging was efficient.


This right here. But I'm also of the opinion that the death penalty SHOULD be painful, and for that matter, public. It's deterrent value would increase sharply, in my opinion...
Link Posted: 9/16/2009 6:46:59 PM EDT
[#45]
Quoted:
bullet to the fucking head....next.


This.

An appropriate bullet would destroy the brain before the condemned even heard the shot. It’s the quickest and most painless method. And I consider myself a kind hearted humanitarian so I don’t want people to suffer from being executed. I’ll let God decide how much suffering they should get in the afterlife. All I want is for them to be in the afterlife.

Link Posted: 9/16/2009 6:47:25 PM EDT
[#46]
Google "Dostler Execution" and watch the video.

You wouldn't have any "failed execution attempts" using that method.
Link Posted: 9/16/2009 6:48:58 PM EDT
[#47]
Quoted:
I know some dudes in Ohio that would happily put 230 grains of JHP love in the guy's skull if we'd buy them a beer. It's quick, relatively painless, and guaranteed to do the job without causing the poor darling any more "trauma" than he's already undergone.


I think you just described 99% of the guys on arfcom with OH next to their name.

Link Posted: 9/16/2009 6:48:59 PM EDT
[#48]
Quoted:
I know some dudes in Ohio that would happily put 230 grains of JHP love in the guy's skull if we'd buy them a beer. It's quick, relatively painless, and guaranteed to do the job without causing the poor darling any more "trauma" than he's already undergone.



I would do it without you buying me a beer.  It would be done just on principle alone.  That would be the only reward needed.
Link Posted: 9/16/2009 6:50:34 PM EDT
[#49]
uh.....   so kill the bastard right. Who the hell gave up after the first try?
Link Posted: 9/16/2009 6:51:03 PM EDT
[#50]
Quoted:
Get a rope and a tree

Problem solved.


Yeah...good old fashion lynching!  One of you guys must live in/near Ohio, dress up in your best operator getup, drive to the prison and tell the chap at the front door you are there to execute Romell Broom.
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