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Posted: 8/24/2015 2:05:08 PM EDT
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Dam...sad.
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Posted: 8/24/2015 2:05:08 PM EDT
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Do any of you guys who re-holster by first removing your holster ever do that when carrying at any other position?
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Posted: 8/24/2015 2:05:31 PM EDT
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I'll continue to carry in a manner where the pistol isn't pointed at my important parts during the draw and reholstering. You people can carry however you'd like.
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Posted: 8/24/2015 2:06:40 PM EDT
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So if I practice shooting from concealed, 1) I draw and fire 2) Put gun on table 3) Loosen belt to facilitate removing IWB holster. 4) Take holster off belt. 5) Reholster gun 6) Put holster back IWB 7) Tighten belt 8) Go to 1 Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The best safety is between your ears. Do NOT re holster with the holster still IWB. So if I practice shooting from concealed, 1) I draw and fire 2) Put gun on table 3) Loosen belt to facilitate removing IWB holster. 4) Take holster off belt. 5) Reholster gun 6) Put holster back IWB 7) Tighten belt 8) Go to 1 Yes. Or 1) draw and fire 2) insert pistol in holster 3) shoot self in crotch 4) die during ride to hospital |
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Posted: 8/24/2015 2:08:08 PM EDT
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Probably shouldn't carry a gun at all then. You know, if you decide to be careless and ND into your body somehow. Careless is careless, doesn't matter where/how you carry. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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My #1 reason why I don't appendix carry. Probably shouldn't carry a gun at all then. You know, if you decide to be careless and ND into your body somehow. Careless is careless, doesn't matter where/how you carry. While true a ND while carying IWB generally isn't fatal while it very easily can be with AIWB. |
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Posted: 8/24/2015 2:08:31 PM EDT
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Mr. Phonisay had only owned this hand gun for three months. It is probable that he did not have much training beyond that mandated to obtain a concealed carry permit in Wisconsin, and he almost certainly had no formal instruction in how to use an appendix carry holster. No agenda..... The dead tree media around here is notorious for that. |
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Posted: 8/24/2015 2:08:33 PM EDT
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1) draw and fire 2) insert pistol in holster 3) shoot self in crotch 4) die during ride to hospital So, why don't you take off your OWB holster when re-holstering? |
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Posted: 8/24/2015 2:08:48 PM EDT
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so I have to take my belt of any time I want to reholster? 
doing something safe vs doing something retarded...well its just retarded... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If you are stupid enough to try to reholster with any inside the waistband gear without taking the thing out of your pants, inserting the pistol and then returning the whole thing to your pants, you have earned the hole you put in yourself. so I have to take my belt of any time I want to reholster?
doing something safe vs doing something retarded...well its just retarded... It's your hole to install. Do as you please and I'll laugh at you too when you are perforated. |
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Posted: 8/24/2015 2:08:49 PM EDT
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Yes. Or 1) draw and fire 2) insert pistol in holster 3) shoot self in crotch 4) die during ride to hospital Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The best safety is between your ears. Do NOT re holster with the holster still IWB. So if I practice shooting from concealed, 1) I draw and fire 2) Put gun on table 3) Loosen belt to facilitate removing IWB holster. 4) Take holster off belt. 5) Reholster gun 6) Put holster back IWB 7) Tighten belt 8) Go to 1 Yes. Or 1) draw and fire 2) insert pistol in holster 3) shoot self in crotch 4) die during ride to hospital Or don't point your weapon at your crotch, i.e. dont appendix carry. |
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Posted: 8/24/2015 2:10:09 PM EDT
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I carry aiwb with a Raven Vanguard. I don't attempt to holster while it's on my belt.
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Posted: 8/24/2015 2:12:36 PM EDT
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Do any of you guys who re-holster by first removing your holster ever do that when carrying at any other position?
Different animals get treated differently. Duty holster is way out there and open and easy to access. Outside the waistband soft cloths leather holsters call for more caution so are done more cautiously. IWB, especially appendix can be fucking dangerous so it takes even more caution. I also drive more slowly in residential neighborhoods than I do on the freeway and I like guard rails on the edges of balconies. Your perforated mileage may vary. |
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Posted: 8/24/2015 2:13:40 PM EDT
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So, why don't you take off your OWB holster when re-holstering? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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1) draw and fire 2) insert pistol in holster 3) shoot self in crotch 4) die during ride to hospital So, why don't you take off your OWB holster when re-holstering? Different tools different rules. |
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Posted: 8/24/2015 2:13:46 PM EDT
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GCode Incog with one clip, grab clip, pull holster out of pants/shorts. I really only carry appendix when driving and move it to strong side if I'm going to be out and about for a while. Have probably holstered in the appendix position a couple of times and it's very slow and deliberate.
If I were going to practice from appendix it would be with an unloaded pistol. I know I can hit the target after I draw (paper not people thus far) so it's really the moving of clothing, grip and draw that need practice. |
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Posted: 8/24/2015 2:13:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So, why don't you take off your OWB holster when re-holstering? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: 1) draw and fire 2) insert pistol in holster 3) shoot self in crotch 4) die during ride to hospital So, why don't you take off your OWB holster when re-holstering? |
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Posted: 8/24/2015 2:14:04 PM EDT
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If you are stupid enough to try to reholster with any inside the waistband gear without taking the thing out of your pants, inserting the pistol and then returning the whole thing to your pants, you have earned the hole you put in yourself. not with a good holster. |
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Posted: 8/24/2015 2:14:08 PM EDT
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Phonisay sustained two penetrating wounds to the right thigh. There was no bullet recovered or found on x-ray, according to the Medical Examiner’s report. so he shot himself twice? only way to do that is to pull the trigger twice this has nothing to do with the holster or the carry, although I do not use appendix carry because I don't like having a loaded gun pointed at my junk I caught that too. I'm suspecting a ricochet with a 230gr FMJ that might have re-entered and penetrated the thorax. There was substantial blood loss from the chest injury, whatever it was. No matter what holster you're using, you need to be very attentive during the re-holster, mitigating any potential clothing intrusion into the trigger guard, even T-shirts bunching up on fat bellies, let alone cords and shirt or jacket corners on the hem. |
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Posted: 8/24/2015 2:14:16 PM EDT
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hemothorax from a GSW to the groin? details. they're missing. Embolism would be my guess. |
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Posted: 8/24/2015 2:14:38 PM EDT
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Or don't point your weapon at your crotch, i.e. dont appendix carry. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The best safety is between your ears. Do NOT re holster with the holster still IWB. So if I practice shooting from concealed, 1) I draw and fire 2) Put gun on table 3) Loosen belt to facilitate removing IWB holster. 4) Take holster off belt. 5) Reholster gun 6) Put holster back IWB 7) Tighten belt 8) Go to 1 Yes. Or 1) draw and fire 2) insert pistol in holster 3) shoot self in crotch 4) die during ride to hospital Or don't point your weapon at your crotch, i.e. dont appendix carry. Back to the horizontal shoulder holster it is. |
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Posted: 8/24/2015 2:14:45 PM EDT
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So if I practice shooting from concealed, 1) I draw and fire 2) Put gun on table 3) Loosen belt to facilitate removing IWB holster. 4) Take holster off belt. 5) Reholster gun 6) Put holster back IWB 7) Tighten belt 8) Go to 1 Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The best safety is between your ears. Do NOT re holster with the holster still IWB. So if I practice shooting from concealed, 1) I draw and fire 2) Put gun on table 3) Loosen belt to facilitate removing IWB holster. 4) Take holster off belt. 5) Reholster gun 6) Put holster back IWB 7) Tighten belt 8) Go to 1 Kind of makes taking a defensive shooting course tedious. 30+ holster removals. |
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Posted: 8/24/2015 2:15:21 PM EDT
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According to the Medical Examiner’s report, Phonisay was apparently posing with a handgun and when he went to holster it, a round was fired and entered his right groin area.
People who stupid shit with guns tend to have NDs. Nothing new here. |
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Posted: 8/24/2015 2:15:29 PM EDT
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It is common practice to identify penetrating trauma wounds as "one, two" and so on. Not witnessing the event, one could not say with certainty which wound was an entrance or exit. Although, often times, it's very evident. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Phonisay sustained two penetrating wounds to the right thigh. There was no bullet recovered or found on x-ray, according to the Medical Examiner’s report. so he shot himself twice? only way to do that is to pull the trigger twice this has nothing to do with the holster or the carry, although I do not use appendix carry because I don't like having a loaded gun pointed at my junk It is common practice to identify penetrating trauma wounds as "one, two" and so on. Not witnessing the event, one could not say with certainty which wound was an entrance or exit. Although, often times, it's very evident. thanks, sounds like the reporter is an idiot |
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Posted: 8/24/2015 2:15:47 PM EDT
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Sum Ting Wen Su Wong
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Posted: 8/24/2015 2:16:06 PM EDT
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This guy would have shot himself no matter what. The fact that he was appendix carrying is irrelevant.
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Posted: 8/24/2015 2:16:08 PM EDT
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I don't carry AIWB but I understand the reasons why and agree that it is a valid method. Also, there are very specific things that you can do to not shoot yourself in your naughty bits area when utilizing this method.
1. LOOK AT YOUR MOTHERFUCKING HOLSTER WHEN YOU RE-HOLSTER! "Buuuuuuuut Liquidsniper! Tier 1 Operators do it without looking! Plus you will take your eyes off the situation around you!" Counterpoint- You are not a tier 1 operator. Most importantly, if you are reholstering your weapon then you should have already assessed your area to be clear of threats and your weapon is no longer needed. Re-holstering is a deliberate action and should be done with a method that is deliberate, smooth, and safe. Checking the holster to make sure no shirt tails, cords, or tactical fleshlights that will hinder this move is important. 2. Stick your hips out when re-holstering AIWB. Yes, you will look like your trying to fuck your gun but it's better than trying to get unfucked in the ER Trauma room. It keeps the muzzle pointed away from your naughty bits area. People tend to do the opposite and hunch over when trying to re-holster AIWB and this puts the muzzle right on areas you really don't want to get shot in. This is wrong. Try to fuck your gun. |
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Posted: 8/24/2015 2:16:56 PM EDT
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Do any of you guys who re-holster by first removing your holster ever do that when carrying at any other position?
never, but my IWB holster is rigid and the muzzle is not pointed at any part of my body, it is pointed straight down at the dirt |
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Posted: 8/24/2015 2:16:57 PM EDT
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not with a good holster. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If you are stupid enough to try to reholster with any inside the waistband gear without taking the thing out of your pants, inserting the pistol and then returning the whole thing to your pants, you have earned the hole you put in yourself. not with a good holster. Yes. Absolutely. Trust the tool. The tool will never fail. The tool user on the other hand......... |
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Posted: 8/24/2015 2:18:45 PM EDT
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There is nothing wrong at all with Appendix IWB carry. Professionals have been doing it for years without incident.
Carrying a firearm brings with it certain inherent risks, all with several paths to mitigate those risks. If you are able to think in the moment, then you are able to be safe with them. If you rely on some predetermined technique or tool for safety, with relaxed mental attentiveness, Murphy will find you and become your friend. |
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Posted: 8/24/2015 2:18:49 PM EDT
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There ya go...A 45...
Why do folks buy them anyhow? |
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Posted: 8/24/2015 2:19:00 PM EDT
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I don't carry Appendix because I am a BIT HUSKY
But One thing these stupid fuck new carriers ned to learn. Unholstering is supposed to be FAST. Holstering can be SLOOOWWW. Look down and guide the gun in to he holster if need be. |
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Posted: 8/24/2015 2:19:49 PM EDT
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Different tools different rules. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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1) draw and fire 2) insert pistol in holster 3) shoot self in crotch 4) die during ride to hospital So, why don't you take off your OWB holster when re-holstering? Different tools different rules. You're missing the point. What part of AIWB holstering is dangerous? Is that danger the same when using OWB? Why or why not? |
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Posted: 8/24/2015 2:20:05 PM EDT
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Because you can't shoot yourself if the gun is outside your pants. It's fuckin' magic, man Quote HistoryQuoted:
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1) draw and fire 2) insert pistol in holster 3) shoot self in crotch 4) die during ride to hospital So, why don't you take off your OWB holster when re-holstering? This man gets it. |
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Posted: 8/24/2015 2:20:08 PM EDT
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It's your hole to install. Do as you please and I'll laugh at you too when you are perforated. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If you are stupid enough to try to re-holster with any inside the waistband gear without taking the thing out of your pants, inserting the pistol and then returning the whole thing to your pants, you have earned the hole you put in yourself. so I have to take my belt of any time I want to re-holster?
doing something safe vs doing something retarded...well its just retarded... It's your hole to install. Do as you please and I'll laugh at you too when you are perforated. I have been carrying a pistol for over 20 years..... I do not carry appendix ...I carry a strong side IWB front canted holster...if while holstering the gun should go off through my negligence the round would most likely hit the floor behind me or if somehow the gun was twisted...my right buttock.... I have trained and shot form this set up for over 15 years....draw fire holster...rinse and repeat....I do it safely.... removing my belt and holster every time to re-holster is retarded grade stupid.... do LEOs remove their duty belts to re-holster? no and the holster is only moved outside the waist band.... 
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Posted: 8/24/2015 2:20:14 PM EDT
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This is one of the reasons I like the galco stow-and-go even though they're cheap. I can pop them out easily and holster the gun safely before sticking the whole thing back in my pants.
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Posted: 8/24/2015 2:20:26 PM EDT
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Appendix carry is an absolutely ridiculous idea. I cringe when I see folks trying to holster their weapon while carrying appendix sitting down, especially with a Glock. You need more training. Guns just don't go off or haven't you heard yet ?
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Posted: 8/24/2015 2:20:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What brand of holster was being used? |
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Posted: 8/24/2015 2:21:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Stupid fuck. |
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Posted: 8/24/2015 2:22:25 PM EDT
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Yes. Absolutely. Trust the tool. The tool will never fail. The tool user on the other hand......... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If you are stupid enough to try to reholster with any inside the waistband gear without taking the thing out of your pants, inserting the pistol and then returning the whole thing to your pants, you have earned the hole you put in yourself. not with a good holster. Yes. Absolutely. Trust the tool. The tool will never fail. The tool user on the other hand......... do you look at your holster when you reholster good equipment, good training, proficiency, and not carrying appendix work wonders |
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Posted: 8/24/2015 2:22:34 PM EDT
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The all kydex or reinforced mouth IWB holsters are much better than the hybrid and soft leather (no reinforcement) type IWB holsters in regards to reholstering.
Even with all kydex holsters, I keep my trigger finger over the outside of the trigger guard to block that side, and feel around with my other hand to ensure the holster mouth is clear and also, in the case of a Glock, feel for any additional resistance when the gun is sliding in, as if maybe the trigger is caught on something. |
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Posted: 8/24/2015 2:23:11 PM EDT
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I AIWB with a g19 and an incog holster. The gun never leaves the holster if it has a round chambered regardless of what position I am carrying. That was the guys mistake obviously.
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Posted: 8/24/2015 2:25:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What brand of holster was being used? De Dumbis |
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Posted: 8/24/2015 2:26:00 PM EDT
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My #1 reason why I don't appendix carry. that shit doesnt even look comfortable. Not for me either. I buy 2 sizes too big to accommodate my hip carry. (not fatty either 6ft - 180lbs) I know we have OC haters but right hip OC is my favorite. When concealed is a must small of back or IWB right hip/ |
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Posted: 8/24/2015 2:27:03 PM EDT
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do you look at your holster when you reholstet good equipment, good training, proficiency, and not carrying appendix work wonders Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If you are stupid enough to try to reholster with any inside the waistband gear without taking the thing out of your pants, inserting the pistol and then returning the whole thing to your pants, you have earned the hole you put in yourself. not with a good holster. Yes. Absolutely. Trust the tool. The tool will never fail. The tool user on the other hand......... do you look at your holster when you reholstet good equipment, good training, proficiency, and not carrying appendix work wonders its funny how many people that teach/instruct in the firearms field are against appendix carry....its not universal but it is a bigger portion in my opinion.... |
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Posted: 8/24/2015 2:27:13 PM EDT
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Reason I don't carry strong side is vehicles. Drawing from concealment in the car is extremely difficult, and easy for an attacker to make out exactly what you're doing when you lean out of the way to go for the gun.
If you simply check the holster when you re-holster, ensuring it is clear, and carefully guide the pistol into it, what can go wrong mechanically? |
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Posted: 8/24/2015 2:28:58 PM EDT
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Reason I don't carry strong side is vehicles. Drawing from concealment in the car is extremely difficult, and easy for an attacker to make out exactly what you're doing when you lean out of the way to go for the gun. If you simply check the holster when you re-holster, ensuring it is clear, and carefully guide the pistol into it, what can go wrong mechanically? I actually have a cross draw horizontal holster I use for when driving...I guess I could also use it for poker games...
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Posted: 8/24/2015 2:30:39 PM EDT
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Reason I don't carry strong side is vehicles. Drawing from concealment in the car is extremely difficult, and easy for an attacker to make out exactly what you're doing when you lean out of the way to go for the gun. If you simply check the holster when you re-holster, ensuring it is clear, and carefully guide the pistol into it, what can go wrong mechanically? That's why I prefer AIWB as well. I spend a lot of time in my car/truck. |
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Posted: 8/24/2015 2:30:45 PM EDT
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So, why don't you take off your OWB holster when re-holstering? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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1) draw and fire 2) insert pistol in holster 3) shoot self in crotch 4) die during ride to hospital So, why don't you take off your OWB holster when re-holstering? because the muzzell is pointed at the ground, not my junk. |
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Posted: 8/24/2015 2:31:50 PM EDT
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because the muzzell is pointed at the ground, not my junk. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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1) draw and fire 2) insert pistol in holster 3) shoot self in crotch 4) die during ride to hospital So, why don't you take off your OWB holster when re-holstering? because the muzzell is pointed at the ground, not my junk. For me it's my upper thigh or my ass cheek if I'm carrying IWB @ o'clock. |
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Posted: 8/24/2015 2:32:48 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/24/2015 2:33:22 PM EDT
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its funny how many people that teach/instruct in the firearms field are against appendix carry....its not universal but it is a bigger portion in my opinion.... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If you are stupid enough to try to reholster with any inside the waistband gear without taking the thing out of your pants, inserting the pistol and then returning the whole thing to your pants, you have earned the hole you put in yourself. not with a good holster. Yes. Absolutely. Trust the tool. The tool will never fail. The tool user on the other hand......... do you look at your holster when you reholstet good equipment, good training, proficiency, and not carrying appendix work wonders its funny how many people that teach/instruct in the firearms field are against appendix carry....its not universal but it is a bigger portion in my opinion.... Don't point the gun at anything you don't want to destroy. It's like a rule or something
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Posted: 8/24/2015 2:34:24 PM EDT
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I've never found a comfortable way for me to AIWB. Pokes me in all the wrong places.
And I'd be lying if I said it didn't make me a little nervous to have a loaded pistol pointed at my groin/femoral area. I use a IWB holster at the 4 o'clock position. Carried that way for years. |
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