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Posted: 3/29/2021 3:06:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXWLgeHw7MgLooks like 3 people that should be working at a Sears Holy Short Videos Batman...a MAC video that isn't 20-25+ minutes long! Then again, this was back before he added all the superfluous filler and fluff. I find it interesting that he's also commented on several posts on his latest Pateron post about TYM calling out the gun rights group he helped "found", and yet when I asked about why the guy who head it up contacted TYM and said, "if you have any questions, just ask", and TYM did, the guy then replied, "Cease and desist". I'm not going to hold my breath on that one. |
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Posted: 3/29/2021 3:38:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: MAC has been hardcore scrubbing his Instagram. An incomplete list of e-thots he followed. Tim is a super-simp. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/274532/Screenshot_20210323-022453_png-1876529.JPG ???????????? |
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Posted: 3/30/2021 8:33:49 PM EDT
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Got my SVD flash hider mounted today, had I know it was that easy I would have done it awhile ago.
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Posted: 3/30/2021 9:07:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Got my SVD flash hider mounted today, had I know it was that easy I would have done it awhile ago. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/54712/30E0DFB5-7C51-460D-8FBA-7050B10557D1_jpe-1886689.JPG Great looking rifle. |
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Posted: 3/30/2021 9:22:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Got my SVD flash hider mounted today, had I know it was that easy I would have done it awhile ago. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/54712/30E0DFB5-7C51-460D-8FBA-7050B10557D1_jpe-1886689.JPG 
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Posted: 4/2/2021 7:27:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: at the end of the day it won't matter. nutnfancy was caught lying red handed and he's still making content. hickock45 essentially got blackballed here, and he's doing just fine. the majority of MAC's viewers have no idea about this controversy, don't care at all, or they think he's in the right. i just find it telling he hasn't even publicly addressed the controversy after a couple weeks. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Long time lurker, small time poster. Just stopped by to say that it looks like the Tim is HEAVILY screening the comment section on all his new vids... Weird  Yeah, the other day he uploaded a video about some PSA 9mm that takes Scorpion mags. I checked the comments section real.quick and the comments are all basically the same: "Yet ANOTHER great video, THANKS MAC!!!!!" and "I've bought my last five guns bcuz of you, keep up the GREAT work Tim, THNX!!!!!!" Shit like that. So it's pretty obvious that he spent a decent 72-96 hour chunk of time deleting, banning and blocking every user who even mentioned the SVD con. Only his nut-riders and ball-garglers are left. at the end of the day it won't matter. nutnfancy was caught lying red handed and he's still making content. hickock45 essentially got blackballed here, and he's doing just fine. the majority of MAC's viewers have no idea about this controversy, don't care at all, or they think he's in the right. i just find it telling he hasn't even publicly addressed the controversy after a couple weeks. Yup - this. The people that get their gun information from YouTube aren't on forums like ARFCOM. They're on Reddit. |
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Posted: 4/2/2021 7:29:46 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/2/2021 7:34:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Newsflash any ffl with an internet connection right now loads pretty much anything neat or cool on Gunbroker right now. .. Not true. I know several ffls who just stopped gunbroker and went to guns.com. |
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Posted: 4/2/2021 7:39:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A good point was made earlier that it’s not like this means we have people plotting evil in a secret volcano lair, but to me it just highlights the massive potential for conflicts of interest in the YouTube review world that likes to present itself as independent. Say you hate a product but the advertising networks who’ve previously hooked you up with some nice cash flow have gotten other reviewers to shill it. Maybe you don’t take the money to hawk it but at the same time also don’t actively criticize it to keep everyone happy. I like the idea of doing stress / torture tests, not only because they’re fun to watch but also informative since it’s not something I’d ever do to my firearms, but if you have stake in a gunshop that has a financial interest in promoting a certain brand there’s certainly a temptation to engineer / edit a test to make one gun look like it passes with flying colors and another one fail miserably. Bottom line, there’s a lot of money behind the scenes in this industry and lots of room for these guys to compromise themselves. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/EgcB5I3-51.gif Seriously, I never new that existed and to what end! For this thread, it honestly doesn’t surprise me. I always thought Tim was a cool guy until he started super promoting his MAC brand and such. Shame. A good point was made earlier that it’s not like this means we have people plotting evil in a secret volcano lair, but to me it just highlights the massive potential for conflicts of interest in the YouTube review world that likes to present itself as independent. Say you hate a product but the advertising networks who’ve previously hooked you up with some nice cash flow have gotten other reviewers to shill it. Maybe you don’t take the money to hawk it but at the same time also don’t actively criticize it to keep everyone happy. I like the idea of doing stress / torture tests, not only because they’re fun to watch but also informative since it’s not something I’d ever do to my firearms, but if you have stake in a gunshop that has a financial interest in promoting a certain brand there’s certainly a temptation to engineer / edit a test to make one gun look like it passes with flying colors and another one fail miserably. Bottom line, there’s a lot of money behind the scenes in this industry and lots of room for these guys to compromise themselves. It's a fundamental problem with "influencers." Doing torture tests without somebody else paying the bill isn't feasible. Ammo is expensive normally, let alone at a time like this. By nature, you also destroy the firearm in the process. Sure, a headline of "GLOCK 100K RD TORTURE TEST!" sounds enticing, but bear in mind that's a $50k proposition. Brands just aren't going to sign up for this without KNOWING that the content creator is giving them a guarantee. Why would they? It's fraught with risk. Marketing isn't in the business of taking massive risks with their brand, quite the opposite. The influencer model that works best is finding some know-nothing gun thot with 3 months of firearms experience to prop her tits up for the camera and say whatever she's told to say. Nobody expects consistency, or real opinions. The rest are doomed to failure eventually as the growing compromise between real knowledge and shilling destroys the channel. |
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Posted: 4/2/2021 7:40:03 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/2/2021 7:41:40 AM EDT
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Just when I thought this thread was going to die off, now it's going to the moon!
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Posted: 4/2/2021 7:44:17 AM EDT
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Retag
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Posted: 4/2/2021 8:17:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Just when I thought this thread was going to die off, now it's going to the moon! 
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Posted: 4/2/2021 8:22:59 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/2/2021 8:45:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Retag 
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Posted: 4/2/2021 9:10:10 AM EDT
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Alright, now its a party
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Posted: 4/2/2021 9:17:20 AM EDT
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Well, I stand corrected.
If these have Izhmash stamps on “Lothar Walther” barrels, that’s pretty ballsy. |
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Posted: 4/2/2021 9:46:18 AM EDT
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So, some tranny on AKFiles posts a picture of an allegedly “Russian” battery and you guys are all giddy imagining MAC packing for prison?
Lol. This shit is funny, can’t deny that part. Is this thread actually just an over stamped AKFiles thread that should’ve waited five years in their GD before being posted here? |
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Posted: 4/2/2021 9:53:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So, some tranny on AKFiles posts a picture of an allegedly "Russian" battery and you guys are all giddy imagining MAC packing for prison? Lol. This shit is funny, can't deny that part. Is this thread actually just an over stamped AKFiles thread that should've waited five years in their GD before being posted here? It sounds like from the Files thread that there are lots of proof marks all over the gun that were covered up by FEG. I don't know, I don't have one myself to see but that's the rumor |
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Posted: 4/2/2021 9:59:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The optic doesn't even matter, it has to be NPZ or Zenit anyway because no one else manufactures the PSO / POSP series, so no surprise there It sounds like from the Files thread that there are lots of proof marks all over the gun that were covered up by FEG. I don't know, I don't have one myself to see but that's the rumor Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: So, some tranny on AKFiles posts a picture of an allegedly "Russian" battery and you guys are all giddy imagining MAC packing for prison? Lol. This shit is funny, can't deny that part. Is this thread actually just an over stamped AKFiles thread that should've waited five years in their GD before being posted here? It sounds like from the Files thread that there are lots of proof marks all over the gun that were covered up by FEG. I don't know, I don't have one myself to see but that's the rumor  Attached File |
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Posted: 4/2/2021 10:13:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So, some tranny on AKFiles posts a picture of an allegedly “Russian” battery and you guys are all giddy imagining MAC packing for prison? Lol. This shit is funny, can’t deny that part. Is this thread actually just an over stamped AKFiles thread that should’ve waited five years in their GD before being posted here? Where has anyone posted a desire to see Tim in prison in this thread? ATF import restrictions are fucking dumb. ETA I see posts about it in the other thread. |
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Posted: 4/2/2021 10:57:40 AM EDT
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If they are Russian parts that have been in Hungary for 10+ years it shouldn’t be a problem.
If they are new production Russian parts that were over stamped, that could be a serious problem. |
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Posted: 4/2/2021 11:07:36 AM EDT
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It’s a shame to see this happen. I’ve always been suspicious of MAC and have questioned some of his content as being rigged or false, with some sort of smear agenda for monetary gain in mind. I was lambasted in other forums for years when I expressed this view. Tim has also made appearances in certain forums years ago bitching and complaining if someone posted an article from his site. He’s even mentioned other forums by name when they criticized him in the past for some of his shady videos.
People always said he’s a nice guy, he must be genuine, he’s pro 2a so he can be trusted. I wanted to believe this and in the last year have given him the benefit of the doubt because of his pro 2a work. I really just thought he was a business guy first and foremost, with a penchant for shady and dishonest marketing tactics. At the end of the day more power to him. Sad to be proven right, as this case clearly demonstrates. I’ve held to the belief that screwing over gun owners in business is generally speaking a bad idea. Sellers who scam gun owners are the worst of the worst on this earth because they must not have any fear. |
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Posted: 4/2/2021 11:13:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: People always said he’s a nice guy, he must be genuine, he’s pro 2a so he can be trusted. I've always been amazed at the passes that terrible people get from the gun community because "they're pro 2A!" As if that's a pass to be a sh!tem. |
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Posted: 4/2/2021 11:44:35 AM EDT
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 Failed To Load Title ETA: I don’t know the dude who made this video, but I guarantee he’s never had sex with a woman. |
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Posted: 4/2/2021 11:50:27 AM EDT
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oh wow, shit's lit!
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Posted: 4/2/2021 11:58:51 AM EDT
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You think Tim is having a Good Friday or a Bad Friday?
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Posted: 4/2/2021 1:17:18 PM EDT
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Okay, now I’m interested in following.
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Posted: 4/2/2021 1:31:53 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/2/2021 1:40:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You think Tim is having a Good Friday or a Bad Friday? If they really did sell all 50 of them they may end up laughing through all this because it won't be their fault if the ATF confiscates the rifles, assuming that they don't get dragged into the investigation as being part of knowingly bringing in Russian rifles. If they really are Russian, and the ATF decides to get involved it could get sticky for them until they can prove they had nothing to do with what was actually imported. Either way a knock from the ATF is something that no one should have to deal with, but they will have to be involved to some extent no matter what since they are the distributor and Tim has widely said they were the ones that put the deal together in the first place. That ego may get him in even more trouble still, assuming that the original list was real and Tim swooped in to steal the rifles at the last minute. If he really was involved from the beginning like he keeps claiming, and it was his deal from the start, he will definitely be answering a lot of questions from the ATF What it sounds like is that Copper paid for all 100 rifles up front, got 50 in hand and sold some or all to people already and were getting ready to start selling the second batch. From the other thread it sounds like the first 100 have to be sold through Copper and Trident is still the importer, but FEG has implied they will find a new importer for the next big round of imports But where are the second batch of 50? If Copper did paid for them and they turn out to be Russian guns, they are going to eat those themselves, so it looks like the ATF is going to make a lot of people, including Copper, have a really bad day. That second 50 is not entirely accounted for but overall it sounds like Copper paid for them already. I don't know any of the this for a fact, it's just speculation on my part based on being in this from the beginning and following the various threads as best I can |
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Posted: 4/2/2021 1:49:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Could go either way If they really did sell all 50 of them they may end up laughing through all this because it won't be their fault if the ATF confiscates the rifles, assuming that they don't get dragged into the investigation as being part of knowingly bringing in Russian rifles. If they really are Russian, and the ATF decides to get involved it could get sticky for them until they can prove they had nothing to do with what was actually imported. Either way a knock from the ATF is something that no one should have to deal with, but they will have to be involved to some extent no matter what since they are the distributor and Tim has widely said they were the ones that put the deal together in the first place. That ego may get him in even more trouble still, assuming that the original list was real and Tim swooped in to steal the rifles at the last minute. If he really was involved from the beginning like he keeps claiming, and it was his deal from the start, he will definitely be answering a lot of questions from the ATF What it sounds like is that Copper paid for all 100 rifles up front, got 50 in hand and sold some or all to people already and were getting ready to start selling the second batch. From the other thread it sounds like the first 100 have to be sold through Copper and Trident is still the importer, but FEG has implied they will find a new importer for the next big round of imports But where are the second batch of 50? If Copper did paid for them and they turn out to be Russian guns, they are going to eat those themselves, so it looks like the ATF is going to make a lot of people, including Copper, have a really bad day. That second 50 is not entirely accounted for but overall it sounds like Copper paid for them already. I don't know any of the this for a fact, it's just speculation on my part based on being in this from the beginning and following the various threads as best I can If tim is a millionaire like some say here. Was is 150000 lost but no prison time. If he cares about his reputation, he’ll pay for the other 50 that got sold. |
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Posted: 4/2/2021 1:52:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If tim is a millionaire like some say here. Was is 150000 lost but no prison time. If he cares about his reputation, he’ll pay for the other 50 that got sold. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Could go either way If they really did sell all 50 of them they may end up laughing through all this because it won't be their fault if the ATF confiscates the rifles, assuming that they don't get dragged into the investigation as being part of knowingly bringing in Russian rifles. If they really are Russian, and the ATF decides to get involved it could get sticky for them until they can prove they had nothing to do with what was actually imported. Either way a knock from the ATF is something that no one should have to deal with, but they will have to be involved to some extent no matter what since they are the distributor and Tim has widely said they were the ones that put the deal together in the first place. That ego may get him in even more trouble still, assuming that the original list was real and Tim swooped in to steal the rifles at the last minute. If he really was involved from the beginning like he keeps claiming, and it was his deal from the start, he will definitely be answering a lot of questions from the ATF What it sounds like is that Copper paid for all 100 rifles up front, got 50 in hand and sold some or all to people already and were getting ready to start selling the second batch. From the other thread it sounds like the first 100 have to be sold through Copper and Trident is still the importer, but FEG has implied they will find a new importer for the next big round of imports But where are the second batch of 50? If Copper did paid for them and they turn out to be Russian guns, they are going to eat those themselves, so it looks like the ATF is going to make a lot of people, including Copper, have a really bad day. That second 50 is not entirely accounted for but overall it sounds like Copper paid for them already. I don't know any of the this for a fact, it's just speculation on my part based on being in this from the beginning and following the various threads as best I can If tim is a millionaire like some say here. Was is 150000 lost but no prison time. If he cares about his reputation, he’ll pay for the other 50 that got sold. How would he have any criminal exposure? The importer would be the only one who could be on the hook imo. The reputation bit is another thing all together. |
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Posted: 4/2/2021 1:55:47 PM EDT
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I fucking called it towards the middle of the thread.
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Posted: 4/2/2021 1:58:31 PM EDT
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I am not an HK fan or an HK VP9 fan but his review of the VP9 was extremely dumb. Sadly everyone took it to heart.
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Posted: 4/2/2021 2:04:04 PM EDT
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Wow, speculate much? I think Tim is a bit douchey. He seems like a used car salesmen pushing these rifles and he sold his reputation in the process.
Having said that, everyone is jumping to some pretty bad assumptions. We all know it's perfectly fine for them to use old Russian parts. I'd say these rifles are actually more valuable if they did. Despite that being perfectly likely, everyone is assuming FEG used new Russian parts and sold them into the US in violation of a whole shiy ton of laws? Really guys? I'd happily wager a good bit with anyone that these are legal old parts and everyone is overreacting. |
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Posted: 4/2/2021 2:24:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wow, speculate much? I think Tim is a bit douchey. He seems like a used car salesmen pushing these rifles and he sold his reputation in the process. Having said that, everyone is jumping to some pretty bad assumptions. We all know it's perfectly fine for them to use old Russian parts. I'd say these rifles are actually more valuable if they did. Despite that being perfectly likely, everyone is assuming FEG used new Russian parts and sold them into the US in violation of a whole shiy ton of laws? Really guys? I'd happily wager a good bit with anyone that these are legal old parts and everyone is overreacting. Not sure if true but I don't recall anyone debunking it The implication being these had to be built and sold as as 100% new production At least one guy on the Files keeps insisting that they are 100% new parts but I don't know what he does or doesn't really know I don't remember hearing FEG or PRDUBI confirm that though |
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Posted: 4/2/2021 2:27:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The implication being these are sold as as 100% new production From the first time I heard about these years ago, it was always "someone found a bunch of old parts" kind of thing. I don't want to be the wet blanket on the torch and pitchfork party, but it just seems to me that the most likely scenario is they are just old Russian parts and everyone was upfront about them. I mean, if you're gonna restamp a Russian part as Hungarian in violation of laws, wouldn't you do a much better job of cheating? So these are either the worst criminals in world history or the interwebs are way out in front of their skis in this one. I know which one I think is more likely. |
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Posted: 4/2/2021 2:28:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Got my SVD flash hider mounted today, had I know it was that easy I would have done it awhile ago. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/54712/30E0DFB5-7C51-460D-8FBA-7050B10557D1_jpe-1886689.JPG Hey bud these are selling now? I know about the whole alleged "russian" bullshit but I'm going to ignore that dipshit and just ask who's selling and how much? Sorry I haven't been reading the last 20 or so pages. |
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Posted: 4/2/2021 2:32:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: From the first time I heard about these years ago, it was always "someone found a bunch of old parts" kind of thing. I don't want to be the wet blanket on the torch and pitchfork, but it just seems to me that the most likely scenario is they are just old Russian parts and everyone was upfront about them. I mean, if you're gonna restart a Russian part as Hungarian in violation of laws, wouldn't you do a much better job of cheating? So these are either the worst criminals in world history or the interwebs are way out in front of their skis in this one. This whole thing that they are 100% new is very recent (at least for me) and I'm not sure how true it is NOS parts makes the most sense by far and is how I understood it too |
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Posted: 4/2/2021 2:34:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hey bud these are selling now? I know about the whole alleged "russian" bullshit but I'm going to ignore that dipshit and just ask who's selling and how much? Sorry I haven't been reading the last 20 or so pages. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Got my SVD flash hider mounted today, had I know it was that easy I would have done it awhile ago. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/54712/30E0DFB5-7C51-460D-8FBA-7050B10557D1_jpe-1886689.JPG Hey bud these are selling now? I know about the whole alleged "russian" bullshit but I'm going to ignore that dipshit and just ask who's selling and how much? Sorry I haven't been reading the last 20 or so pages. That's a pre 94' Tiger. 100% Russian |
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Posted: 4/2/2021 2:35:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hey bud these are selling now? I know about the whole alleged "russian" bullshit but I'm going to ignore that dipshit and just ask who's selling and how much? Sorry I haven't been reading the last 20 or so pages. He put a regular SVD flash hider on it like many people do to complete the look Copper Customs is the only one that has the first 50 $7500 plus 25 shipping Enjoy |
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Posted: 4/2/2021 5:31:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So thats what I always thought too and didn't have a problem with it if I were going to buy one This whole thing that they are 100% new is very recent (at least for me) and I'm not sure how true it is NOS parts makes the most sense by far and is how I understood it too My understanding was that a lot of the parts were NOS, but things like barrels and IIRC receivers had to be made new. |
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Posted: 4/2/2021 5:55:04 PM EDT
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You all don’t really believe they ship in water from Fiji and the French Alps to sell to rich folk do you? Guaranteed that shit us just tap water with a fancy label. These lulu lemon crew gets their basements flooded either way
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Posted: 4/2/2021 7:11:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You think Tim is having a Good Friday or a Bad Friday? That's a fishy question 
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Posted: 4/2/2021 7:14:24 PM EDT
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Lol, how old is Tim?
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Posted: 4/2/2021 8:32:29 PM EDT
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Who
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Posted: 4/2/2021 10:20:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Who fucking cares ? 60 pages for this lame story, and that stupid looking rifle. Yawn |
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Posted: 4/3/2021 3:26:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Who fucking cares ? 60 pages for this lame story, and that stupid looking rifle. Yeah who would care about guns on a gun forum |
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Posted: 4/3/2021 4:28:26 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/3/2021 5:07:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well seeing how he's part of the same "Influencer Marketing" advertising company as MAC, I can't say I'm all that surprised he's not critical of the situation. https://www.leviathantribe.com/ |
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