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Posted: 9/13/2021 10:03:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah that caught my eye as well. Did he allegedly leave the van with her? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The story says that the van was "recovered". Recovered from Florida? Recovered from the end of some dirt road in Wyoming? Recovered at the airport? Not a hell of a lot of information in that story. Yeah that caught my eye as well. Did he allegedly leave the van with her? This is what I’ve been trying to figure out and my google-fu is failing me. “Recovered” is such a specific word.  |
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Posted: 9/13/2021 10:07:16 PM EDT
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Many years ago a similar story up the road near Togwotee Mountain Lodge. Honeymooners went on hike ro waterfall. She stopped while he went on. He came back, she was fone, never seen again despire massive search. Around 1910.
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Posted: 9/13/2021 10:13:22 PM EDT
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Lots of open spaces to disappear
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Posted: 9/13/2021 10:15:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If your SO died while you were on a cross country road trip you think you'd be more helpful than driving to the other side of the country, lawyering up, and not talking to cops lol Like you know, maybe call the parents and tell them what happened? I dated a lot of crazy in my younger days. When crazy chicks get drunk they do stupid shit to get a rise out of you. It’s usually best to just remove yourself from the situation. Maybe this dude was fed up with her shit and leaves, she goes home with the rando to make him jealous, and she’s never seen again. Whether he did it or not, he should lawyer up and shut the fuck up. |
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Posted: 9/13/2021 10:17:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Maybe someone read that arcane law review article about “the perfect crime” which is a murder in some tiny sliver of Yellowstone where there is no jurisdiction to prosecute. Idaho sliver. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zone_of_Death_ I’ll be dang, learned something new. |
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Posted: 9/13/2021 10:40:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I totally get that. . . . but after an extended period of time when the parents are crying on National Television asking for their daughter to come home? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Sure. In my 20s if my girlfriend was argumentative and wanted to get out of the car I’d let her too. At that age I wouldn’t call her mom. I totally get that. . . . but after an extended period of time when the parents are crying on National Television asking for their daughter to come home? As much as I would want to say something, I would still keep my mouth shut. What benefit would you see coming from speaking up? You would make yourself the last known person to see her alive. |
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Posted: 9/13/2021 10:50:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They border each other... practically one contiguous park. She'll probably never be found. No doubt all of her flesh has been consumed at this point. Sad shit. I guess our definitions of contiguous are a little different because the last time I checked the two parks are about 50 miles apart. 
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Posted: 9/13/2021 11:00:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I dated a lot of crazy in my younger days. When crazy chicks get drunk they do stupid shit to get a rise out of you. It’s usually best to just remove yourself from the situation. Maybe this dude was fed up with her shit and leaves, she goes home with the rando to make him jealous, and she’s never seen again. Whether he did it or not, he should lawyer up and shut the fuck up. I guess that's where we disagree. If he did it then yea def fucking lawyer up and STFU If he didn't do it then he should be talking to the cops (with his lawyer present) He could even work with his lawyer on a statement prior to doing so to ensure he's doing it by the book. Since this is a pretty binary choice I'm going to go with he killed her and she's dead Jim. 
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Posted: 9/13/2021 11:02:20 PM EDT
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Good for him
NEVER talk to them police without an attorney present. |
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Posted: 9/13/2021 11:04:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The last time I was in WY was 1980. Desolate as fuck. Hundreds of miles of nothing. While traveling cross-country my family came upon a young boy who fell of a motorcycle on a highway, badly injured. His father was stoned. We drove for what seemed like forever to get him to the nearest "hospital". No towns, no houses, no cars. Not a fucken thing but a whimpering child in the back seat for what seemed like hours and hours. Haven't been back since then. Have things changed since then? I guess not. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I think we know who hasn't ever been to the area. While traveling cross-country my family came upon a young boy who fell of a motorcycle on a highway, badly injured. His father was stoned. We drove for what seemed like forever to get him to the nearest "hospital". No towns, no houses, no cars. Not a fucken thing but a whimpering child in the back seat for what seemed like hours and hours. Haven't been back since then. Have things changed since then? I guess not. Sounds more like CO... |
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Posted: 9/13/2021 11:04:10 PM EDT
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YouTube they made on their trip:
 VAN LIFE | Beginning Our Van Life Journey And a better news story with more info: https://www.fox13news.com/news/north-port-pd-find-van-used-by-missing-woman-boyfriend-on-cross-country-trip |
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Posted: 9/13/2021 11:04:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: As much as I would want to say something, I would still keep my mouth shut. What benefit would you see coming from speaking up? You would make yourself the last known person to see her alive. "I got tired of her shit officer and dropped her off at John's Gas and Bait off Highway 16. Go check the surveillance footage you'll see me doing so" See how hard that was? I get folks playing devils' advocate, I really do. . . but at this point I'll go out on a limb in that we all know he killed her, drove back to FL, lawyered up, and isn't talking to the cops, because that's absolutely the correct thing to do when your murder your SO on a cross country road trip |
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Posted: 9/13/2021 11:06:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I guess our definitions of contiguous are a little different because the last time I checked the two parks are about 50 miles apart. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: They border each other... practically one contiguous park. She'll probably never be found. No doubt all of her flesh has been consumed at this point. Sad shit. I guess our definitions of contiguous are a little different because the last time I checked the two parks are about 50 miles apart. I seem to remember the from the south gate of Yellowstone being like 5 or10 miles to the Teton gate. |
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Posted: 9/13/2021 11:09:59 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/13/2021 11:11:18 PM EDT
[#15]
Quote HistoryQuoted: i used to spend a lot of time in eastern WY for pipeline work. lots of bodies get dumped in those parts from drug deals gone bad in denver. dozer operator was pointing out all the good hiding spots to me as we were driving around aimlessly. I hear there’s a very nice train station in northern Wyoming. |
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Posted: 9/13/2021 11:16:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I seem to remember the from the south gate of Yellowstone being like 5 or10 miles to the Teton gate. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: They border each other... practically one contiguous park. She'll probably never be found. No doubt all of her flesh has been consumed at this point. Sad shit. I guess our definitions of contiguous are a little different because the last time I checked the two parks are about 50 miles apart. I seem to remember the from the south gate of Yellowstone being like 5 or10 miles to the Teton gate. 6.9 miles = 10 mins |
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Posted: 9/13/2021 11:17:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: i used to spend a lot of time in eastern WY for pipeline work. lots of bodies get dumped in those parts from drug deals gone bad in denver. dozer operator was pointing out all the good hiding spots to me as we were driving around aimlessly. Lucky them. We had one guy who stiffed his dealer for something like $140. Dealer killed him and dumped the cadaver on the county road. Now we have to put up with a never ending memorial from his friends/family. |
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Posted: 9/13/2021 11:30:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: These modern young women never go anywhere without their cell phones on and powered up. Is coverage non-existent in WY? ETA: Surprisingly, Verizon covers almost all the state, at least with 3G https://www.whistleout.com/CellPhones/Guides/Best-Coverage-in-Wyoming-USA#:~:text=Verizon%20has%20the%20widest%20network,the%20carriers%20have%20roaming%20agreements There are significant parts of Yellowstone and the surrounding areas that have absolutely no service. Whether that means they absolutely can’t track a phone via other means (GPS maybe), I’m not sure. |
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Posted: 9/13/2021 11:32:49 PM EDT
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Question for the LE and lawyer types here at ARFCOM:
Did you formulate your "the boyfriend did it" based upon pattern recognition (he was her fiance, last known person with her, etc?) or did you look at his photo, or what do you base your opinion upon? FWIW, I read the story and thought, "yeah, he did it", too |
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Posted: 9/13/2021 11:34:08 PM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: There are significant parts of Yellowstone and the surrounding areas that have absolutely no service. Whether that means they absolutely can't track a phone via other means (GPS maybe), I'm not sure. As our western members have pointed out, there's a fuckton of country up there and not a lot of people. |
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Posted: 9/13/2021 11:38:47 PM EDT
[#21]
My guess is he got sick of her New York shit and did something about it in BFN.
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Posted: 9/13/2021 11:59:47 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The last time I was in WY was 1980. Desolate as fuck. Hundreds of miles of nothing. Yes, it's glorious. |
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Posted: 9/14/2021 12:06:58 AM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: She’s dead Jim. Sad, but highly likely. |
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Posted: 9/14/2021 12:08:32 AM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I guess our definitions of contiguous are a little different because the last time I checked the two parks are about 50 miles apart. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: They border each other... practically one contiguous park. She'll probably never be found. No doubt all of her flesh has been consumed at this point. Sad shit. I guess our definitions of contiguous are a little different because the last time I checked the two parks are about 50 miles apart. |
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Posted: 9/14/2021 12:10:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Question for the LE and lawyer types here at ARFCOM: Did you formulate your "the boyfriend did it" based upon pattern recognition (he was her fiance, last known person with her, etc?) or did you look at his photo, or what do you base your opinion upon? FWIW, I read the story and thought, "yeah, he did it", too |
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Posted: 9/14/2021 12:29:07 AM EDT
[#26]
"Lawyer up" is just gayspeak for invoking constitutional rights.
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Posted: 9/14/2021 12:34:00 AM EDT
[#27]
Pretty girl. Sad wth story.
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Posted: 9/14/2021 12:44:10 AM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: YouTube they made on their trip:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PStpXFEfIsAnd a better news story with more info: https://www.fox13news.com/news/north-port-pd-find-van-used-by-missing-woman-boyfriend-on-cross-country-trip No comms and reported missing by mom on almost same day. GPS and social media warrants being processed. |
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Posted: 9/14/2021 12:52:29 AM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Question for the LE and lawyer types here at ARFCOM: Did you formulate your "the boyfriend did it" based upon pattern recognition (he was her fiance, last known person with her, etc?) or did you look at his photo, or what do you base your opinion upon? FWIW, I read the story and thought, "yeah, he did it", too Stats say "stranger crime" is rare. Most victims of DV/assault/rape/murder know the perp. Last known contact some park in western US, dude drives to parents house in FL, no contact from female or him reporting her missing or something. On a multi day drive, shit is going on. Cell phone, social media, GPS is being spun up in searches and warrants. If your GF all of the sudden disappears or runs off with biker dude at their level of contact and social media, someone would know. |
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Posted: 9/14/2021 12:53:49 AM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I guess our definitions of contiguous are a little different because the last time I checked the two parks are about 50 miles apart. You can drive from one right into the other |
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Posted: 9/14/2021 12:54:35 AM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I wondered if the cell phones can 'ping' the towers even when they are useless for voice or data? As our western members have pointed out, there's a fuckton of country up there and not a lot of people. Yes, cell phones ping towers even when not in use. |
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Posted: 9/14/2021 1:23:26 AM EDT
[#32]
It shouldn't take CSI Missouri to come in and tell the parents that their daughter done got kilt.
I feel bad for them. Denial is the first stage of grief. |
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Posted: 9/14/2021 5:42:05 AM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This is what I’ve been trying to figure out and my google-fu is failing me. “Recovered” is such a specific word. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: The story says that the van was "recovered". Recovered from Florida? Recovered from the end of some dirt road in Wyoming? Recovered at the airport? Not a hell of a lot of information in that story. Yeah that caught my eye as well. Did he allegedly leave the van with her? This is what I’ve been trying to figure out and my google-fu is failing me. “Recovered” is such a specific word. Just like a gun buyback? Kharn |
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Posted: 9/14/2021 5:51:12 AM EDT
[#34]
Yeah, she's toast.
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Posted: 9/14/2021 6:15:29 AM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Sure. In my 20s if my girlfriend was argumentative and wanted to get out of the car I’d let her too. At that age I wouldn’t call her mom. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: He’s going to be blamed for it whether he did it or not. If your SO died while you were on a cross country road trip you think you'd be more helpful than driving to the other side of the country, lawyering up, and not talking to cops lol Like you know, maybe call the parents and tell them what happened? Sure. In my 20s if my girlfriend was argumentative and wanted to get out of the car I’d let her too. At that age I wouldn’t call her mom. My longtime girlfriend pulled that shit on me in my 20s. "Let me out of the car". So I did. She was a good 30 miles from her car. She never did that again. |
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Posted: 9/14/2021 7:06:12 AM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Stats say "stranger crime" is rare. Most victims of DV/assault/rape/murder know the perp. Last known contact some park in western US, dude drives to parents house in FL, no contact from female or him reporting her missing or something. On a multi day drive, shit is going on. Cell phone, social media, GPS is being spun up in searches and warrants. If your GF all of the sudden disappears or runs off with biker dude at their level of contact and social media, someone would know.  |
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Posted: 9/14/2021 7:12:42 AM EDT
[#37]
Yeah they must have her cel phone and social media data now.
when I was in my 20s I had girlfriends whose parents I didn't know [shrug] and who I would not have called if they disappeared on the back of some dude's Harley. Course that was a different time and These two were shacked up I guess. |
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Posted: 9/14/2021 7:16:31 AM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: My longtime girlfriend pulled that shit on me in my 20s. "Let me out of the car". So I did. She was a good 30 miles from her car. She never did that again. |
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Posted: 9/14/2021 7:17:45 AM EDT
[#39]
Occams razor...
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Posted: 9/14/2021 7:32:46 AM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Occams razor... There's no reason to think this of her, but if you know people who have mental health or drug issues they break or lose Cel phone s all the time, whether accidentally or maybe subconsciously on purpose. Their phones are also routinely shut off for nonpayment The cops also have his texts and social media account info. So they'll see if he was texting any buddies or family and what texts/IMs calls were made after she lost contact |
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Posted: 9/14/2021 7:48:39 AM EDT
[#41]
Maybe she fell in a geyser, pool, or mud pot and disappeared while trying to get that perfect pic for Insta
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Posted: 9/14/2021 8:04:18 AM EDT
[#42]
GD: "I never talk to the cops without a lawyer it's all entrapment"
Also GD: "He lawyers up before talking to the cops, he's got to be guilty!!" |
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Posted: 9/14/2021 8:15:34 AM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I read this news story earlier. Sad, she was a pretty young lady and wanted to go on an adventure while she was young with no responsibilities and now she's missing with a 99% chance of being dead. That sounds like an adventure to me! |
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Posted: 9/14/2021 8:23:35 AM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah it's pretty easy to say he killed her. But who knows, she could have had mental health or substance abuse issues and have separated from him for some irrational reason. Once she's on her own voluntarily half way across the country and maybe in a remote area it's not that improbable that she was victimized by a third party or died through some accident. There's no reason to think this of her, but if you know people who have mental health or drug issues they break or lose Cel phone s all the time, whether accidentally or maybe subconsciously on purpose. Their phones are also routinely shut off for nonpayment The cops also have his texts and social media account info. So they'll see if he was texting any buddies or family and what texts/IMs calls were made after she lost contact And chances of "oh, my GF just disappeared, so I drove back home. without contacting anyone but a lawyer" happening is almost zero. |
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Posted: 9/14/2021 8:24:52 AM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I read this news story earlier. Sad, she was a pretty young lady and wanted to go on an adventure while she was young with no responsibilities and now she's missing with a 99% chance of being dead. That's how a lot of adventures end, unfortunately. |
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Posted: 9/14/2021 8:27:25 AM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I am from NE PA. Still have a home there. One of the last locals. Yes.....we know all too well what slithers out of the city. We have had to put up with their bullshit, crime, murder, rape and garbage since the mid 80's. Demographics, growth and crime stats do not lie. So yeah. Somebody most likely got tired of her shit. They ruin every place they spread to....like cancer. |
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Posted: 9/14/2021 8:29:07 AM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: And chances of "oh, my GF just disappeared, so I drove back home. without contacting anyone but a lawyer" happening is almost zero. Poor little girl. Probably kept up with you for a mile or so. |
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Posted: 9/14/2021 8:32:50 AM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: "I got tired of her shit officer and dropped her off at John's Gas and Bait off Highway 16. Go check the surveillance footage you'll see me doing so" See how hard that was? I get folks playing devils' advocate, I really do. . . but at this point I'll go out on a limb in that we all know he killed her, drove back to FL, lawyered up, and isn't talking to the cops, because that's absolutely the correct thing to do when your murder your SO on a cross country road trip At this point, yeah, that's absolutely my assumption here. Not that it really matters what I think, but his behavior doesn't make him look unconnected to her disappearance. |
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Posted: 9/14/2021 8:34:08 AM EDT
[#49]
Keith Morrison will be narrating this one on Dateline soon
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Posted: 9/14/2021 8:45:44 AM EDT
[#50]
I'm guessing she died or wandered off when they were doing some shrooms or acid in the park and he freaked out and left.
Or they had a fight and he legit left and then she did disappear but that seems less likely with a couple on a long road trip like that. |
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