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Posted: 8/20/2017 1:05:05 PM EDT
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Only watched the beginning... I'm suprised at how slow they are on the range.
Sure would like one of those Novak High Powers, I cannot believe they were destroyed 
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Posted: 8/20/2017 1:05:10 PM EDT
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Hensoldt Aiming Point Projector. Why yes, I did look to see if anyone had one for sale... http://www.hkpro.com/forum/attachments/hk-parts-accessories-sale/40994d1459131336-wts-hk-hensoldt-factory-aiming-device-dsc00535.jpg 
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Posted: 8/20/2017 1:09:10 PM EDT
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This is forcing me to reassess how realistic 80's action movies actually were.
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Posted: 8/20/2017 1:16:08 PM EDT
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Some sloppy weapons handling compared to today. But it was 30 years ago. What would that video have looked like in 1955? |
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Posted: 8/20/2017 1:48:28 PM EDT
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After Delta became known, the FBI wanted in, and everyone thought it OK. The SAS role model was the only fashion statement NATO countries followed. |
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Posted: 8/20/2017 3:13:08 PM EDT
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Some sloppy weapons handling compared to today. But it was 30 years ago. What would that video have looked like in 1955? |
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Posted: 8/20/2017 3:40:21 PM EDT
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Only watched the beginning... I'm suprised at how slow they are on the range. Sure would like one of those Novak High Powers, I cannot believe they were destroyed 
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Posted: 8/20/2017 5:50:00 PM EDT
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3:50, only one guy with brown shoes.
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Posted: 8/20/2017 6:02:57 PM EDT
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1st SFOD-D was not the first US military "hostage rescue team". The first was Project BLUE LIGHT. But Col. Beckwith, who while an SF officer hated SF* and was in love with the idea of the 1960s SAS**, convinced the Army Chief of Staff that a highly trained and competent SF CT unit was unacceptable and he (Beckwith) needed to recreate a past version of the SAS*** to do the mission. *Beckwith had served in Project DELTA in Vietnam and not in 'traditional' SF. His pre-Vietnam experience in the 7th SF Group convinced him that SF wasn't shit. And he never made a secret of that. ** Beckwith did an exchange with 22nd SAS in Malaysia in 1962 and from them on wanted to recreate that version of the SAS in the US Army. *** Beckwith never grasped that the SAS keeps evolving to meet evolving missions. in Malaysia in 1962 segue into CT operations against Muslim terrorists in the early 80s? The past version of the SAS didn't seem to be doing what the then current Delta was supposed to do. Edit. And this is genuine curiosity, I'm not picking a fight with an ODA dude about the history of SF. 
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Posted: 8/20/2017 6:11:47 PM EDT
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It's interesting to see how far general weapons handling skills have come since then. The two dudes in the intro looked like a bag of mashed assholes by modern standards.
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Posted: 8/20/2017 6:20:27 PM EDT
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catchy opening tune
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Posted: 8/20/2017 6:41:37 PM EDT
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You are not far off: the video is from my era, when my agency got MP5s we trained in a similar fashion, the WWII era sergeants in particular poked fun.
We had Thompsons in the armory and the range sergeant brought one out to "show y'all how it was done". Street sergeants had a Thompson and two drums in their cars and would shoot the shit out of things at one time. |
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Posted: 8/20/2017 6:59:28 PM EDT
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I'm guessing in 1955 they would have had an attached artillery battery  Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Some sloppy weapons handling compared to today. But it was 30 years ago. What would that video have looked like in 1955? |
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Posted: 8/20/2017 7:01:15 PM EDT
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9:32.. just like fuckin' Saigon! |
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Posted: 8/20/2017 7:16:51 PM EDT
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1st SFOD-D was not the first US military "hostage rescue team". The first was Project BLUE LIGHT. But Col. Beckwith, who while an SF officer hated SF* and was in love with the idea of the 1960s SAS**, convinced the Army Chief of Staff that a highly trained and competent SF CT unit was unacceptable and he (Beckwith) needed to recreate a past version of the SAS*** to do the mission. *Beckwith had served in Project DELTA in Vietnam and not in 'traditional' SF. His pre-Vietnam experience in the 7th SF Group convinced him that SF wasn't shit. And he never made a secret of that. ** Beckwith did an exchange with 22nd SAS in Malaysia in 1962 and from them on wanted to recreate that version of the SAS in the US Army. *** Beckwith never grasped that the SAS keeps evolving to meet evolving missions.
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Posted: 8/20/2017 7:43:26 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/20/2017 8:21:54 PM EDT
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It's interesting to see how far general weapons handling skills have come since then. The two dudes in the intro looked like a bag of mashed assholes by modern standards. |
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Posted: 8/20/2017 9:32:39 PM EDT
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Physical ability has evolved a ton.
There is a good book, Killer Athletes...it discusses a lot of it in some ways. Guys now are much faster, stronger, and have greater endurance. It's a whole different animal from the physical standpoint just as it is in professional sports. Video diagnostics...huge improvement. Shrek is big on this with the Coache's Eye app...I downloaded it and it works well on the range. Plus, lessons learned are passed and documented much better...or were until everyone started getting investigated for murder because they shot a combatant on the battlefield...but that's a whole other topic. |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 8:40:28 AM EDT
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You kind of make it sound like they ripped off the SAS or something. Beckwith openly modeled Delta on the SAS(a concept he started pushing after an exchange tour with them in 1962, and there was plenty of collaborative effort between the two units in the process. Then the process was repeated with Coulson and the HRT. |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 8:45:53 AM EDT
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Hey, you can't be the first at everyting. Why reinvent the wheel? Go with the proven system. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Delta "borrowed" from the SAS, well lets be honest they were mostly a carbon copy back in those days, and HRT copied delta. It was what it was and that "lame old gear" worked just fine. |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 11:28:42 AM EDT
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I was kinda shocked at how normal everyone looked. The only obvious gym-rat was the medic. All I know (gym rat'wise) is we're going to see a lot of fat guys in their late-50's and 70's in the coming decades. lol. |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 11:42:40 AM EDT
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The "gym rat" physique is a rather new thing (in the scheme of years)... You look back pre-2000'ish and most people in that line of worked looked pretty ordinary, in shape and athletic, but ordinary. Iknow, have know, a few guys in those lines of work and have seen pictures of them, they were what would be considered skinny or average. All I know (gym rat'wise) is we're going to see a lot of fat guys in their late-50's and 70's in the coming decades. lol. |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 11:45:42 AM EDT
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Why? Thinner people -like those I saw in the video - who do aerobic exercise normally seem to stick to some level of aerobic exercise throughout their lives. Gym rats stop going to the gym and just get fat. Come on, we all know at least 20 guys like that. Fat guys who still think they have the strength and endurance since they still have the size, but who are really just fat. |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 11:47:18 AM EDT
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Gym rats typically get fat. Thinner people who do aerobic exercise normally seem to stick to some level of aerobic exercise throughout their lives. Gym rats stop going to the gym and just get fat. Come on, we all know at least 20 guys like that. |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 11:49:34 AM EDT
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Is that Lon Horiuchi? |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 11:58:56 AM EDT
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After Delta became known, the FBI wanted in, and everyone thought it OK. The SAS role model was the only fashion statement NATO countries followed. |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 12:04:40 PM EDT
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Hut hut hut hut hut
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Posted: 8/21/2017 12:04:52 PM EDT
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They still have a lot in common with CAG.
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Posted: 8/21/2017 12:06:46 PM EDT
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Hensoldt Aiming Point Projector. Why yes, I did look to see if anyone had one for sale... http://www.hkpro.com/forum/attachments/hk-parts-accessories-sale/40994d1459131336-wts-hk-hensoldt-factory-aiming-device-dsc00535.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The NV-equipped MP5 looks like it'd be loads of fun to carry. http://www.hkpro.com/forum/attachments/hk-parts-accessories-sale/40994d1459131336-wts-hk-hensoldt-factory-aiming-device-dsc00535.jpg |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 12:09:49 PM EDT
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They still have a lot in common with CAG. https://i.pinimg.com/736x/a3/06/63/a306639c3903a9b167d1ab3b48347008--fbi-training-hrt.jpg http://a57.foxnews.com/media.foxbusiness.com/thumbnails/100614/640/360/100614_fb_harmer.jpg I love the GPS on his arm. Cause, you know, gotta have that grid on tap when you call in an airstrike on your completely static active crime scene. |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 12:12:26 PM EDT
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Hey, you can't be the first at everyting. Why reinvent the wheel? Go with the proven system. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Delta "borrowed" from the SAS, well lets be honest they were mostly a carbon copy back in those days, and HRT copied delta. It was what it was and that "lame old gear" worked just fine. |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 12:12:31 PM EDT
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Was that a Quinn Martin production?
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Posted: 8/21/2017 12:12:31 PM EDT
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I love the GPS on his arm. Cause, you know, gotta have that grid on tap when you call in an airstrike on your completely static active crime scene. |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 12:17:41 PM EDT
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They still have a lot in common with CAG. https://i.pinimg.com/736x/a3/06/63/a306639c3903a9b167d1ab3b48347008--fbi-training-hrt.jpg http://a57.foxnews.com/media.foxbusiness.com/thumbnails/100614/640/360/100614_fb_harmer.jpg |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 12:18:45 PM EDT
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Gym rats typically get fat. Thinner people -like those I saw in the video - who do aerobic exercise normally seem to stick to some level of aerobic exercise throughout their lives. Gym rats stop going to the gym and just get fat. Come on, we all know at least 20 guys like that. Fat guys who still think they have the strength and endurance since they still have the size, but who are really just fat. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Why? Thinner people -like those I saw in the video - who do aerobic exercise normally seem to stick to some level of aerobic exercise throughout their lives. Gym rats stop going to the gym and just get fat. Come on, we all know at least 20 guys like that. Fat guys who still think they have the strength and endurance since they still have the size, but who are really just fat. I got razzed badly when I was in my teens and 20's for being skinny/scrawny, I always said I wouldn't bet fat in my 40's and my friends would... They are all pudgy, I'm not. I still am of the opinion that people were not built to get that big and the gym rats are going to pay for it later in life (not all, there are many examples who didn't go to crap). Obviously people like HRT, ect, do aerobic exercise... But, most all of the gym rats I've known don't do any aerobic exercise at all (don't want to lose my gains man). Strength, stability, speed, mobility, and stamina are what is needed, so one needs a mix. I mean how many people have you seen who are young a buff when in the mil (last couple of decades), get out, and get fat/out of shape. Suppliments have probably had an effect on size as well. Just to get back on topic, I've met people who have shot/seen HRT shoot and they are very, very good shots and supposed a very good group of people. Delta wants no part of domestic operations, HRT are all Agents/LE, who do you want drug into court or preserving evidence? Still wish that bitch Reno hadn't have chopped up the damn Novak High Powers, bitch. |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 12:20:49 PM EDT
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Some sloppy weapons handling compared to today. But it was 30 years ago. What would that video have looked like in 1955?  Attached File |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 12:25:28 PM EDT
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The '85 video has snipers creeping through the woods and taking compass bearings to find their firing position. And those are snipers. Not what was pictured. |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 12:31:26 PM EDT
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Dudes tan K-bar sheath threw off his whole style
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Posted: 8/21/2017 12:33:01 PM EDT
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Does anyone know where you can get one of those VFG/ for the full size mp5?
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Posted: 8/21/2017 12:37:21 PM EDT
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And those are snipers. Not what was pictured. |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 12:38:40 PM EDT
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More like Delta was prevented from operating on US Soil due to them being Military and an actual Law Enforcement Unit needed to be activated. I have no objections personally to CAG doing that work domestically. Search warrants I would object to. |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 12:39:03 PM EDT
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If you haven't, you should go check out the autobio of the founder of FBI HRT. Goes into a lot of details I never knew about Ruby Ridge, Waco and the OKC bombing.
No Heroes  Attached File |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 12:45:36 PM EDT
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I love the GPS on his arm. Cause, you know, gotta have that grid on tap when you call in an airstrike on your completely static active crime scene. Rarely, cops do have to move or patrol over some distance (not very long by mil standards) to something like a house with a barricaded person. He may just be in the habit as a hold over from military service. I don't know if any of those apply to the guy in that pic, but I doubt he has it just because he thinks it's cool. |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 12:48:49 PM EDT
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I love the GPS on his arm. Cause, you know, gotta have that grid on tap when you call in an airstrike on your completely static active crime scene. |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 12:49:49 PM EDT
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, but I doubt he has it just because he thinks it's cool. lol somebody forgot his ABCs. |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 12:53:14 PM EDT
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lol somebody forgot his ABCs. 2. Always know where you are 3. If you don't know where you are, at least try to look cool Anyway, there are legitimate uses for a GPS in civilian LE. |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 12:56:25 PM EDT
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Since many here mentioned how things have evolved, Joan Lunden had a series called "Behind Closed Doors". In one episode she highlights the HRT. This is about 10yrs later.
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9e17PyNToqE[/youtube] |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 12:56:38 PM EDT
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Anyway, there are legitimate uses for a GPS in civilian LE. Unquestionably. But you gotta have your wrist mount for instant access? And it looks like an urban area. a wrist mounted grid photo makes sense there. whatever. they are cool, I am not. But how much of what they have is necessary and how much is, "well, cAG uses it, so we must have it, too" |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 1:07:32 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/21/2017 1:14:03 PM EDT
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Not exactly. CT on US soil could be done with the military and as I understand it there is a standing order allowing CAG to do it if necessary. I have no objections personally to CAG doing that work domestically. Search warrants I would object to. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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More like Delta was prevented from operating on US Soil due to them being Military and an actual Law Enforcement Unit needed to be activated. I have no objections personally to CAG doing that work domestically. Search warrants I would object to. |
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