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Posted: 11/18/2008 6:58:00 PM EDT

[#1]

"When they came after Catholics, I didn't say anything because I wasn't Catholic."

"When they came after Jews, I didn't say anything, because I wasn't Jewish."

"When they came after Gun Owners, I didn't say anything, because I didn't own any guns."

"When they came after Trade Unionists, I didn't say anything, because I was not a Trade Unionist."

"When they came after ME, there wasn't any one left..."

THINK, PATRIOTS!

Please THINK!

Posted: 11/18/2008 6:59:29 PM EDT

[#2]

Quoted:

I purchased a Ford Mustang in 2000 with 8 miles on it from the dealership, and an extended five year warranty on it for about $18,000 total.

In eight years I put 110,000 miles on that car. Want to guess how much went into that vehicle to keep it running? $8,000. yes, you read that right. That is just the stuff I had repaired, about $5,000 under warranty . It does not include fun stuff like 2 years after getting the car the seatbelts would no longer auto retract when released, that the gear shift knob decided to start unscrewing itself, that the CD player eats CDs and won't kick them back out and the tape player has killed several cassettes, or the ABS/Traction control circuit that just up and decides to routinely stop working every once in a while. 1,200 miles after my nifty 5 year 60,000 mile warranty expired the transmission case cracked.

The best part? Someone forgot to install one of the two bolts that holds down the rear seat, and Ford had the balls to charge me $18.75 for parts and labor to install it after the fact. Oh wait, no that wasn't the best part. The best part is when the fuel gauge broke, Ford Blue Oval certified 'mechanics' replaced it, and the next time I go to fill up with gas a couple of gallons come gushing out from under the back of the car right onto me. "The seal must have rotted out" according to their 'mechanics.' Funny, you guys told me how you have to pull the whole gas tank to change out the fuel gauge not two days before.

I have a Honda CR-V now and the only money I have put into it in is oil changes and an air filter. How is it that honda employees get paid less, and can make a better product?

For $71 fucking dollars an hour in pay and benefits I expect PERFECTION on my American made car, not the Friday afternoon I don't give a shit build! Build me a crap car and make me sink my money into it so you can live high on the hog? Welcome to motherfucking capitalism! People going to the best value for the money is going to be a real bitch, isn't it?

My 05 Mustang GT is trouble-free. Gas & oil.

Sorry about your luck.

Posted: 11/18/2008 7:02:00 PM EDT

[#3]

Quoted:
"When they came after Catholics, I didn't say anything because I wasn't Catholic."

"When they came after Jews, I didn't say anything, because I wasn't Jewish."

"When they came after Gun Owners, I didn't say anything, because I didn't own any guns."

"When they came after Trade Unionists, I didn't say anything, because I was not a Trade Unionist."

"When they came after ME, there wasn't any one left..."

THINK, PATRIOTS!

Please THINK!

You're kidding me.

No more BAILOUTS

Posted: 11/18/2008 7:02:36 PM EDT

[#4]

Hell yes, lets get all the good paying jobs out of this country. We can start working on getting rid of yours next.

Posted: 11/18/2008 7:09:37 PM EDT

[#5]

Here is part of an Email from GM. I have spent over 100K on GM vehicles since January, 2003.

Dear Ronald Byrd,

You made the right choice when you put your confidence in General Motors, and we appreciate your past support. I want to assure you that we are making our best vehicles ever, and we have exciting plans for the future. But we need your help now. Simply put, we need you to join us to let Congress know that a bridge loan to help U.S. automakers also helps strengthen the U.S. economy and preserve millions of American jobs.

Here is my reply- short and sweet.

I refuse to do further business with any organization that, in any way, uses my money to support socialists such as Obama.

Do me a favor- Tell those union assholes lots of luck and don't let the door hit you in the ass when more people such as myself get tired of this bullshit.

Ronald E. Byrd, P.E.

Posted: 11/18/2008 7:09:42 PM EDT

[#6]

Quoted:

Quoted:
They can get jobs in other dealerships.

The unions funded Obama, and now it is payback time. Anything they make or do, I will avoid if at all possible. Why fund your enemy?

Really?

I doubt there is enough work for hundreds of thousands of mechanics to be absorbed into other dealerships.

Christ, GD get more simplified every day.

Maybe that's because other car companies aren't cranking out crap that needs constant shop time...

Now you are just posting nonsense.

Any Honda / Toyota dealer has 4 or 5 mechanics on site, always busy, just like any domestic dealer.

I've got two vehicles in my driveway.

One's a Chevy, one is a Toyota.

Approximately the same age.

One has spent MONTHS in the shop, they other just regular service.

Wanna guess which one? Need any hints?

The domestic one.

But I always take my Saturn to the dealer for service, mostly an oil change and regular tire rotation.

Not every service call is a major malfuction in the car assembly.

You just contradicted yourself. Why do you think the techs are always busy at the Honda/Toyota dealer? Could be routine service.

Posted: 11/18/2008 7:11:44 PM EDT

[#7]

The government thinks the big three is going bankrupt because there not making fuelefficient cars thats there excuse to give give them all that money to retool.Bullshit ,people buy Chevy's cause thay have lots of room and power thay dont care about the gas mileage.I'f I want to buy a car that gets good gas mileage I'LL buy a Honda.People aren't buying Chevy's because thay want 50000.00 for a truck.Fuck the UAW thay want to get paid $70.00 hr to put a lugnut on a tire.Get rid of the UAW and maybe we could afford to buy there products.

Posted: 11/18/2008 7:12:18 PM EDT

[#8]

Quoted:
Are you sure that your chevy is made by GM and not a japanese company? Most shitty ones are.

We do some work for japanese suppliers. Those parts are seriously substandard and nothing to brag about.

Sounds like UAW propaganda to me. Where do you get this "substandard" bullshit?

What if your Chevy is a Japanese car? Hey, it has the name "Chevy" on it, so many consider that American when they say "Buy American".

My Frontier is more American than many "American cars".

Posted: 11/18/2008 7:16:31 PM EDT

[#9]

I would be willing to wager that ARFcom is probably *somewhat* more conservative than the general public.

It's also probably fair to say that conservative folks tend to drive American more than libtards.

When you start to see the conservative base get PO'ed at the Big 3 - it's game over. Who else is going to put up with Detroit solely for the purpose of waving the flag and trying to support what is left of this country's manufacturing base?

I used to be (along with Cavvet) one of the most vocal "Buy American" vehicle proponents. No more.

Who will buy these Big 3/UAW Bailout make-work vehicles?

Posted: 11/18/2008 7:17:51 PM EDT

[#10]

I would love to give examples, but in mfg you must sign a ND on everything and I am honoring it.

However I do nothing with a company called Takata, look it up yourself. They supply the seatbelt ratcehting assemblies to nearly all the japanese companies. It is total shit! end of story.

You can type in Takata, and see all the lawsuites over the design. I have one on my desk now, I can not believe the NTSB even allowed these carson the road. They have been producing the same POS for over 20 years and just now Honda figured out they better change the design.

I get to check out other goodies as well. Overall its all pretty much the same on the smaller stuff.

Posted: 11/18/2008 7:18:35 PM EDT

[#11]

Quoted:

My 05 Mustang GT is trouble-free. Gas & oil.

When you don't go over 35MPH, most anything will last forever...

Posted: 11/18/2008 7:18:42 PM EDT

[#12]

Quoted:
I never trusted the S10 series GM vehicles. I would not have bought one.

I dont know anything about them, who is really suppling the engine, tranny?

Damn, you are determined to try to show that the shitty GM stuff is really Japanese, aren't you. Got any facts to back that up? Otherwise, give it a rest.

Yeah, my "substandard", "shitty", Japanese 1988 Mazda 929 with 247k on it is still going strong. Shut the doors on it and it's still as solid as the day it was made and more solid than a lot of brand new GM stuff.

The 3 liter V6 in it purrs like a kitten and has plenty of get up and go.

Same for my 20 year old RX7 TurboII with 220k on it. That "undependable" rotary engine is still going strong and she will still do at least 155.

Posted: 11/18/2008 7:21:01 PM EDT

[#13]

Quoted:
"When they came after Catholics, I didn't say anything because I wasn't Catholic."

"When they came after Jews, I didn't say anything, because I wasn't Jewish."

"When they came after Gun Owners, I didn't say anything, because I didn't own any guns."

"When they came after Trade Unionists, I didn't say anything, because I was not a Trade Unionist."

"When they came after ME, there wasn't any one left..."

THINK, PATRIOTS!

Please THINK!

Absolute fail of a post.

Posted: 11/18/2008 7:22:13 PM EDT

[#14]

Yes, I do have to point out that a lot of stuff is not made by who you think it is. Most people have no clue what Contract Manufacturing means or how much Japanese stuff is in certain american cars.

Oh, and on the S10 I was not reffering to the japanese. There are plenty of American subcontracting firms that supply entire trannies and such.

Posted: 11/18/2008 7:24:19 PM EDT

[#15]

Quoted:
Yes, I do have to point out that a lot of stuff is not made by who you think it is. Most people have no clue what Contract Manufacturing means or how much Japanese stuff is in certain american cars.

So, that's what makes them bad?

So, GM specs a part, but goes ahead and uses it when it is substandard?

OR, maybe it is to spec and IS substandard because that was the spec.

Posted: 11/18/2008 7:25:39 PM EDT

[#16]

Quoted:
Yes, I do have to point out that a lot of stuff is not made by who you think it is. Most people have no clue what Contract Manufacturing means or how much Japanese stuff is in certain american cars.

1999 s10 Blazer

4.3L V6

4L60E Transmission

Since you are claiming 'industry insider / ND status' then perhaps you can fill us all in as to where and by whom that motor & tranny combo is made.

Posted: 11/18/2008 7:29:10 PM EDT

[#17]

Yep, try reading my post above. I know nothing of the s10. However the large V6 points me to a GM block. I have no clue to the tranny, I dont even get close to anything that large.

Think small boring parts and assemblies.

Posted: 11/18/2008 7:35:31 PM EDT

[#18]

Quoted:
"When they came after Catholics, I didn't say anything because I wasn't Catholic."

"When they came after Jews, I didn't say anything, because I wasn't Jewish."

"When they came after Gun Owners, I didn't say anything, because I didn't own any guns."

"When they came after Trade Unionists, I didn't say anything, because I was not a Trade Unionist."

"When they came after ME, there wasn't any one left..."

THINK, PATRIOTS!

Please THINK!

What? Are they all going to disappear into some black hole.

Posted: 11/18/2008 7:36:53 PM EDT

[#19]

Quoted:
Yep, try reading my post above. I know nothing of the s10. However the large V6 points me to a GM block. I have no clue to the tranny, I dont even get close to anything that large.

Think small boring parts and assemblies.

The 4.3L is a derivative of the small block Chevy. The 4L60E is built in Toledo.

The small boring parts are not what have failed. It's the big UAW parts.

Posted: 11/18/2008 7:40:38 PM EDT

[#20]

Missing the point. Even if every big 3 auto never broke down it wouldn't be worth saving if they can't sell them at a profit.

Posted: 11/18/2008 7:41:17 PM EDT

[#21]

The small boring parts are not what have failed. It's the big UAW parts.

Thanks, thats good to know.

We dont do shit with the UAW and never will.

Posted: 11/18/2008 7:46:57 PM EDT

[#22]

Quoted:

The small boring parts are not what have failed. It's the big UAW parts.

Thanks, thats good to know.

We dont do shit with the UAW and never will.

It sucks, because the health of the country depends on manufacturing - but an industry that has been irretrievably hijacked by the unions is beyond salvage. Honestly the best thing for the Big 3 is Ch 11 reorg and shedding the unions. Absent that, it is just pissing money down a hole.

Posted: 11/18/2008 7:48:32 PM EDT

[#23]

Back when the Camaro was being produced it was relatively easy to get into, now that the damn cars are being made in the states and not Canada the fuckers are $40,000, sure they have refinements but $20,000 wort of refinements.

You know the last time I flamed away at the UNION, I got the shit flamed out of me here, now everyone has switched sides months later? I said Unions sucked 2 years ago on another forum same thing happened now who is crying...all of those people who used to work for the UAW are now jobless and are pissed cause that union donated so much $ to the Communist party.

Posted: 11/18/2008 9:05:09 PM EDT

[#24]

In union bashing, remember it is federal laws (like the RLA, etc.) that are responsible for the shit.

If unions existed without the power of the federal government behind them, great. More power to 'em. If they can exist in a free and open market, great.

But they can't.

Just remember, in your hatred for unions, keep in mind who's the brawn of the outfit: the federal government.

Posted: 11/19/2008 12:28:31 AM EDT

[#25]

Fuck The Unions!

Posted: 11/19/2008 1:24:37 AM EDT

[#26]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Think all the mechanics that work in dealerships and stuff. They would also be out of work.

Huh? Cars still need serviced. There's already millions of them on the road.

Correct. Fewer new cars = more older ones = mechanics to keep em running.

Posted: 11/19/2008 5:10:45 AM EDT

[#27]

Traditionally my parents bought only US made vehicles but after a few real lemons (Corvair, Pinto, and more) they gave up and are now a Honda/Toyota family.

I'm looking to buy a car in the next year or so (due to a possible work shift). I'm ashamed that I still have my old preferences so I have a Chevy and a Ford on the list but I'm sick of propping up the UAW so it'll probably have to be an Infiniti or Honda.

Posted: 11/19/2008 5:17:50 AM EDT

[#28]

I don’t understand what the squalling is about. AFAIK, they are just following good capitalistic principal by sticking it to the consumer for as much as they can get away with.

Who here really have an issue with that. The unions aren’t GOUGHING are they?

Posted: 11/19/2008 5:18:51 AM EDT

[#29]

Quoted:

Quoted:
They can get jobs in other dealerships.

The unions funded Obama, and now it is payback time. Anything they make or do, I will avoid if at all possible. Why fund your enemy?

Really?

I doubt there is enough work for hundreds of thousands of mechanics to be absorbed into other dealerships.

Christ, GD get more simplified every day.

Maybe that's because other car companies aren't cranking out crap that needs constant shop time...

Now you are just posting nonsense.

Any Honda / Toyota dealer has 4 or 5 mechanics on site, always busy, just like any domestic dealer.

As a Honda tech, 90% of the job I did was maintenance service. Rarely did anything come in because it was fucked up, and rarely did we have warranty work. Even when we were replacing parts due to recalls, almost every one of the "bad" parts we pulled out of the vehicle was working just fine.

There is a difference. I worked at other shops that serviced any car that drove up. Most of the really bad issues were taken to the dealerships, but I saw my fair share of jacked up stuff in big 3 vehicles.

And whoever was bitching about the seatbelt assemblies in foreign cars... Honda will replace them anytime, for the life of the car.

Posted: 11/19/2008 5:25:06 AM EDT

[#30]

Quoted:
They can get jobs in other dealerships.

The unions funded Obama, and now it is payback time. Anything they make or do, I will avoid if at all possible. Why fund your enemy?

You people with this mentality just don't get it. When thousands upon thousands of people lose their jobs all at once...there's only so many jobs to go around. Even those of us with college educations will have problems getting a new job. Besides do you all think the UAW is just gonna roll over and die?

Posted: 11/19/2008 5:37:09 AM EDT

[#31]

Quoted:

Quoted:
They can get jobs in other dealerships.

The unions funded Obama, and now it is payback time. Anything they make or do, I will avoid if at all possible. Why fund your enemy?

You people with this mentality just don't get it. When thousands upon thousands of people lose their jobs all at once...there's only so many jobs to go around. Even those of us with college educations will have problems getting a new job. Besides do you all think the UAW is just gonna roll over and die?

Then you can do what countless other enterprising individuals have done over the years, and provide your own job by starting your own business. Why does someone else have to provide your job for you???

Posted: 11/19/2008 5:44:42 AM EDT

[#32]

Meh, I bought a 2004 Dodge SRT-4 (Neon) off the lot when I was active duty in Norfolk, VA. Oil changes and new tires (yay for nails!) and wiper blades. Everything else so far has gone without a hitch.

*shrug*

Posted: 11/19/2008 5:51:03 AM EDT

[#33]

Quoted:

assembly line workers are NOT MECHANICS! Never have been. Never WILL be.

All they know how to do is put a part on another part and do it over and over all day long.

Technicians/Mechanics know how to diagnose, repair, and maintain the vehicles.

Most work stations now have automated work instructions to attempt to ensure quality.

What that means is that when the assembly arrives there are instructions that pop up on a PC screen and tell the UAW dillrod exactly what to do.

It's not rocket surgery!

Posted: 11/19/2008 5:53:24 AM EDT

[#34]

Quoted:

Quoted:
They can get jobs in other dealerships.

The unions funded Obama, and now it is payback time. Anything they make or do, I will avoid if at all possible. Why fund your enemy?

You people with this mentality just don't get it. When thousands upon thousands of people lose their jobs all at once...there's only so many jobs to go around. Even those of us with college educations will have problems getting a new job. Besides do you all think the UAW is just gonna roll over and die?

The area I live in survived the death of a union-dominated industry (steel)

Those of us with a little motivation had no problems finding other good work.

The USW is a mere shell of its former self. One can only hope the same will happen to the UAW.

Posted: 11/19/2008 6:01:28 AM EDT

[#35]

Quoted:
"When they came after Catholics, I didn't say anything because I wasn't Catholic."

"When they came after Jews, I didn't say anything, because I wasn't Jewish."

"When they came after Gun Owners, I didn't say anything, because I didn't own any guns."

"When they came after Trade Unionists, I didn't say anything, because I was not a Trade Unionist."

"When they came after ME, there wasn't any one left..."

THINK, PATRIOTS!

Please THINK!

Who's coming after the unions? We are talking about letting capitalism take it's course. The unions loaded down these companies with huge financial burdens when times were good –– with no consideration of what would happen when things were bad. They dug their own hole. You can't blame some of us for wanting them to reap what they've sown and fall in to it. That's just life in the grown-up world.

Posted: 11/19/2008 6:01:31 AM EDT

[#36]

Quoted:
Unions Suck!! GM pays them 71 dollars an hour after benefits on average. There work is no where near worth that. They will soon discover they should not be making anywhere near that.

I really despise the current Unions, but this $71 dollars an hour figure is just another urban legend floating around the Internet created by highly creative accounting.

Wages and benefits for second-tier UAW workers average around $27 per hour.
This includes the lowest paid worker the the highest paid skilled trade. The older UAW members often get cited for costing $60-75 per hour, but this figure incluses their base salary, overtime, benefits, and the cost of ALL the retired UAW members and their health benefits.

Still, the Unions have managed to kill industry with excessive costs.

Posted: 11/19/2008 6:09:05 AM EDT

[#37]

Quoted:
"When they came after Catholics, I didn't say anything because I wasn't Catholic."

"When they came after Jews, I didn't say anything, because I wasn't Jewish."

"When they came after Gun Owners, I didn't say anything, because I didn't own any guns."

"When they came after Trade Unionists, I didn't say anything, because I was not a Trade Unionist."

"When they came after ME, there wasn't any one left..."

THINK, PATRIOTS!

Please THINK!

silliest failed analogy I've seen in some time

nobody is "coming for the unions"

no shadow gestapo is stealing them away in the night

greed and sloth is the culprit

let it run it's course

Posted: 11/19/2008 1:15:37 PM EDT

[#38]

Quoted:

Quoted:
They can get jobs in other dealerships.

The unions funded Obama, and now it is payback time. Anything they make or do, I will avoid if at all possible. Why fund your enemy?

You people with this mentality just don't get it. When thousands upon thousands of people lose their jobs all at once...there's only so many jobs to go around. Even those of us with college educations will have problems getting a new job. Besides do you all think the UAW is just gonna roll over and die?

So, some assembly line worker is gonna take my job? I don't think so, nor are they going to steal jobs from college educated folks if those folks are doing what their college education prepared them for.

Assinine scare tactics, that's all, just like the Obama campaign.

Posted: 11/19/2008 1:19:06 PM EDT

[#39]

Quoted:

I just sent an e-mail to my representative urging him not to vote for any Detroit bailout.

Lets knock out the UAW while they are on the ropes. These guys will never stop at electing socialist parasites.

While many individual members are great people, there organization is terrible and completely self serving.

If we can stall a bail out for a few months they may very well go under.

Yes...I sent the same email a few days ago. My rep DID NOT vote for any of the bailouts so far.

Should have been NO bailouts at all.

Posted: 11/19/2008 1:20:01 PM EDT

[#40]

Quoted:
Yep, try reading my post above. I know nothing of the s10. However the large V6 points me to a GM block. I have no clue to the tranny, I dont even get close to anything that large.

Think small boring parts and assemblies.

For someone defending the Big 3, you sure don't know much about their products.

Posted: 11/19/2008 1:21:44 PM EDT

[#41]

Quoted:
In union bashing, remember it is federal laws (like the RLA, etc.) that are responsible for the shit.

If unions existed without the power of the federal government behind them, great. More power to 'em. If they can exist in a free and open market, great.

But they can't.

Just remember, in your hatred for unions, keep in mind who's the brawn of the outfit: the federal government.

And which party has always supported the unions and vice versa?

Posted: 11/19/2008 1:22:32 PM EDT

[#42]

Quoted:
Back when the Camaro was being produced it was relatively easy to get into, now that the damn cars are being made in the states and not Canada the fuckers are $40,000, sure they have refinements but $20,000 wort of refinements.

You know the last time I flamed away at the UNION, I got the shit flamed out of me here, now everyone has switched sides months later? I said Unions sucked 2 years ago on another forum same thing happened now who is crying...all of those people who used to work for the UAW are now jobless and are pissed cause that union donated so much $ to the Communist party.

You didn't get flamed by me.

Posted: 11/19/2008 1:25:34 PM EDT

[#43]

I have no sympathy for any UAW workers, they are the fault of this one

Posted: 11/19/2008 1:27:57 PM EDT

[#44]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Pull the plug.

This

Yep.

Why should we also pay a lifetime of pension and benefits for someone who was overpaid throughout their career.

This was a poor, unsustainable business model. They had plenty of warning. Government, and my tax dollars, should not have to fix.

Posted: 11/19/2008 1:28:57 PM EDT

[#45]

What you have to love is if the Big 3 go bankrupt, the workers will see the pension plans picked up by the PBGC (Pension Benefit Guaranty Corporation). Sure, the workers will have to take BIG benefits cuts in return but it's better than nothing as far as they are concerned. BTW, the PBGC is also UNDERFUNDED by BILLIONS. Want to wager a guess who is going to foot THAT bill? You guessed it... taxpayers.

FUCK the UAW.

Posted: 11/19/2008 1:32:18 PM EDT

[#46]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Unions Suck!! GM pays them 71 dollars an hour after benefits on average. There work is no where near worth that. They will soon discover they should not be making anywhere near that.

I really despise the current Unions, but this $71 dollars an hour figure is just another urban legend floating around the Internet created by highly creative accounting.

Wages and benefits for second-tier UAW workers average around $27 per hour.
This includes the lowest paid worker the the highest paid skilled trade. The older UAW members often get cited for costing $60-75 per hour, but this figure incluses their base salary, overtime, benefits, and the cost of ALL the retired UAW members and their health benefits.

Still, the Unions have managed to kill industry with excessive costs.

Not very highly creative. That is arrived at by taking ALL employment related expenses, for all employees (past and present), and dividing by the number of hours actually worked. No one is saying that's what current employees are getting, they're not. That's kinda the point. It is still what it costs the company and, by the way, everyone who buys one their cars has to pay for it. These companies make their money by selling cars, so every cost (taxes, wages, benefits, retirement, dividends, etc.) is incrementally included in the cost of each auto.

Also, bankruptcy only means that these companies will re-negotiate with all their suppliers and the union. They are not going away, but judges will re-align and adjust things so they can stay in business. If the unions are willing to do that now, they won't need to go through the system to get it done.

Posted: 11/19/2008 1:33:33 PM EDT

[#47]

Quoted:
Obama will save the UAW.
They elected him. Union members, even gun owners, overwhelmingly voted for this nut.

Payback time!

This is the reason I try not to buy anything union made because I might as well give my money directly to the Democrat Party.

These union workers will sell out their country for one more days vacationa year or $.25 more an hour.

Fuck the union bastards.

Posted: 11/19/2008 1:36:19 PM EDT

[#48]

Quoted:

Quoted:
They can get jobs in other dealerships.

The unions funded Obama, and now it is payback time. Anything they make or do, I will avoid if at all possible. Why fund your enemy?

Really?

I doubt there is enough work for hundreds of thousands of mechanics to be absorbed into other dealerships.

Christ, GD get more simplified every day.

Maybe that's because other car companies aren't cranking out crap that needs constant shop time...

Now you are just posting nonsense.

Any Honda / Toyota dealer has 4 or 5 mechanics on site, always busy, just like any domestic dealer.

My Toyotas have had <1 day turnaround. My Chrysler vehicles were generally 3-4 days.

Posted: 11/19/2008 1:39:19 PM EDT

[#49]

Quoted:

Quoted:
They can get jobs in other dealerships.

The unions funded Obama, and now it is payback time. Anything they make or do, I will avoid if at all possible. Why fund your enemy?

Really?

I doubt there is enough work for hundreds of thousands of mechanics to be absorbed into other dealerships.

Christ, GD get more simplified every day.

Maybe that's because other car companies aren't cranking out crap that needs constant shop time...

Now you are just posting nonsense.

Any Honda / Toyota dealer has 4 or 5 mechanics on site, always busy, just like any domestic dealer.

Really? I was at the Honda dealership today(spare key and keyless remote) and they didn't have a single vehicle in the bays.

Posted: 11/19/2008 1:40:31 PM EDT

[#50]

Quoted:
I don’t understand what the squalling is about. AFAIK, they are just following good capitalistic principal by sticking it to the consumer for as much as they can get away with.

Who here really have an issue with that. The unions aren’t GOUGHING are they?

Actually they are. There is a gun to the head of GM to force them to use their labor.

You fail to understand economics, again.

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