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Next to the hull of the Carrier that you're building, I was expecting it to be much smaller. That Carrier must be close to 3 feet? |
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I was stationed on the USS Lockwood FF-1064. We chased drug runners around central America
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On the Lockwood as EMO/EWO from April 1976 to early May 1979. Homeported in Yokosuka at the time. All over Westpac and two Indian Ocean cruises.
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Quoted: Nice. ...and because I'm a nerd...."if it were TRULY a scale replica, what would it weigh at 1/350 of the original....?" Yikes! still 26,000lbs of displacement - or 11.8 Long Tons (4,066 Long Tons original). What in the hell would an 18" model have to be made of to reach that weight? View Quote The scale weight goes with the cube of the length. |
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Quoted: USS Vreeland FF-1068, School of Hard Knox, Loyal Order of the Big Screw, Alumni. OP, can you put a ruler in the next update pic to give it some scale? Hard to tell how big it is. I remember building a Monogram kit USS Ramsey FFG-2 as a kid. View Quote |
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Quoted: There is only one True Frigate. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ed/USS_Constitution_fires_a_17-gun_salute.jpg View Quote More of a Super Frigate. |
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Quoted: Jesus. Those Broke-class FFGs. We were outboard of one in Mayport that was having a Change of Command ceremony. The Ship Control Officer and I were up on the 02 level looking down on it and he said "imagine working 20 years to finally get a command, and that's what you get." View Quote Other side of the coin is anybody can command a nice new shiny ship where everything works. Takes talent to keep a broke dick 20-30 year old hull meeting its mission. Nice to see so many fellow "Tin Can" sailors here. |
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Quoted: Quoted: There is only one True Frigate. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ed/USS_Constitution_fires_a_17-gun_salute.jpg More of a Super Frigate. Brit skippers were under orders not to attack an American frigate alone with anything less than a Ship of the Line |
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Quoted: Brit skippers were under orders not to attack an American frigate alone with anything less than a Ship of the Line View Quote Very true, good reading for the Navy history buffs, "Six Frigates" by Ian Toll, lots of detailed info. Six Frigates Book |
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I remember reporting aboard in Mayport in 87. MM2 corrected me in that "FF stands for Slow Frigate." She definitely couldn't keep up with the Greyhound Navy, but I was proud to be on her, and not some Gator Freighter or Auxiliary. Didn't have the classic lines or armament of an Adams Destroyer, but definitely warfighter capable. About 4 months after I EAOS, she provided Naval gunfire support for Operation Just Cause in Panama.
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Quoted: Very true, good reading for the Navy history buffs, "Six Frigates" by Ian Toll, lots of detailed info. Six Frigates Book View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Brit skippers were under orders not to attack an American frigate alone with anything less than a Ship of the Line Very true, good reading for the Navy history buffs, "Six Frigates" by Ian Toll, lots of detailed info. Six Frigates Book Got a copy, good book. |
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Quoted: been on that boat a couple times, built a couple replicas as well its neat and they musta been short fuckers back then View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Can't argue with that! been on that boat a couple times, built a couple replicas as well its neat and they musta been short fuckers back then My grandfather had a 4×4×6 block of wood that came from part of Constitution that was replaced during one of her restorations. He was a retired Navy Captain. |
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Tag for outcome. I used to build 1/700 scale WWII ships. Loved doing that.
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Quoted: umm check your math. It's 1/350th as long AND 1/350th as wide AND 1/350th as tall. 1/350x350x350 the weight. Even 1/350 of the original would be around 11.5 - 12 tons View Quote Something is wrong with that math. There's no way to displace 12 tons of water with that model's hull. [img]/images/smilies/icon_smile_big.gif[/img |
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Quoted: Brit skippers were under orders not to attack an American frigate alone with anything less than a Ship of the Line View Quote Because we built them so well, that they pretty much were ships-of-the-line. I think we decided to call them frigates to fuck with people on purpose, kinda like the STG/MP44. "Ja. Is maschinenpistole. We swear." |
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Ship models have undergone a bit of a renaissance in recent years. Thanks to, of all people, the Chinese. Check out SteelNavy.net or Modelwarship.com.
I generally avoid resin and most photo etch is way to fine for my ham fisted building technique, but I still plug away at it. |
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Quoted: Very true, good reading for the Navy history buffs, "Six Frigates" by Ian Toll, lots of detailed info. Six Frigates Book View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Brit skippers were under orders not to attack an American frigate alone with anything less than a Ship of the Line Very true, good reading for the Navy history buffs, "Six Frigates" by Ian Toll, lots of detailed info. Six Frigates Book 5 and spare would be more accurate. The Chesapeake ended up being very different from the first 5. |
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Quoted: Nice. ...and because I'm a nerd...."if it were TRULY a scale replica, what would it weigh at 1/350 of the original....?" Yikes! still 26,000lbs of displacement - or 11.8 Long Tons (4,066 Long Tons original). What in the hell would an 18" model have to be made of to reach that weight? View Quote 26,000 divided by 350 (1/350 scale) would be around 74 pounds. |
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Quoted: Ship models have undergone a bit of a renaissance in recent years. Thanks to, of all people, the Chinese. Check out SteelNavy.net or Modelwarship.com. I generally avoid resin and most photo etch is way to fine for my ham fisted building technique, but I still plug away at it. View Quote Yep. Trumpeter and it's branches have been putting out a steady stream of new 1/350 ships. Especially carriers. For years all we had were the Tamiya 1/350 ships, with a few DML/Dragon ships. Then along comes Trumpeter, and we get get WW2 and modern warships, including CVs and CVNs, which leads to the Japanese companies releasing new IJN ships including carriers, since the Chinese companies won't make them. |
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Quoted: Yep. Trumpeter and it's branches have been putting out a steady stream of new 1/350 ships. Especially carriers. For years all we had were the Tamiya 1/350 ships, with a few DML/Dragon ships. Then along comes Trumpeter, and we get get WW2 and modern warships, including CVs and CVNs, which leads to the Japanese companies releasing new IJN ships including carriers, since the Chinese companies won't make them. View Quote I waited decades, literally, for an RN County class CA. It now looks like I may be able to do the whole class if I'm patient, and in 350 scale to boot. I can't do 700 anymore. Well, I can, but I don't enjoy it and it shows in the finished product. The Flyhawk Naiad keeps tempting me however. |
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Quoted: Chasing the USS Midway around on plane guard. <--- '81 to '86 View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: On the Lockwood as EMO/EWO from April 1976 to early May 1979. Homeported in Yokosuka at the time. All over Westpac and two Indian Ocean cruises. Chasing the USS Midway around on plane guard. <--- '81 to '86 Yeah. Plane guard could go from boring to "Oh Shit!" real fast. Much tenser at night. Most of the time the Plane Guard would be in the area because there were helos in the air or readily available but sometimes we did the 1000yds "astern" holding the Midway 15 degrees relative off the port bow. That usually meant the mid-line radar repeater was cranked in and a tiny box grease penciled in and we (I) spent the watch keeping the box on the carrier. Night ops would mean almost all the usual lights were off for us except a mast head light for visual approach aid. The Midway was usually pretty good about letting us know about course changes but now and then chasing the wind, we had to guess along with them. IIRC I had the con twice for potential "Man Overboards." One day, one night. The night one was worse. I can stiil remember more or less how we approached that. We'd get it over radio, maybe two or more active freqs, whistle and flags, or flashing light. I'd change course aiming at the stern, the Midway typically maintaining course and speed. CIC would radar mark the Midway on the Dead Reckoning Tracer, and they'd then give range and bearings to the pencil point. I'd "drive" it right to that spot. In the meantime, they are adding look outs, the boat crew is readying the whale boat, the LAMPS crew, if we had one is, prepping for an Emergency Flight Quarters, just in case, and then start expanding squares, watching for anything on the surface, junk, trash bags, smokes, life rings, lights, etc. If in some sort of formation, we might be worrying about anyone that had been following, hoping they are keeping well clear if not just paying real close attention to us. By then we've got the Captain on the bridge (Yeah!), the XO has completed his FOD walkdown, the Ops Boss is messing about in Combat, the Navigator and QMC are keeping track of where we are (with CIC) to get back to where we are supposed to be, GMGs are on the bridge wings with M14s, First Lt and BMC are scurrying around prepping for either a boat or recovery from alongside, etc. One night maybe 30 minutes after getting off watch, there was a ramp strike - A6 tanker IIRC, so we did all that and GQ, too. That's in pretty much the first 5-10 minutes. Then it could take easily 20 minutes or longer before they completed a muster and were reasonably confident that they had accounted for everyone. Scarey. Because pretty much only a head is out of water and almost any kind of seas make it really, really difficult to see anything in the water. Went to Hong Kong with the Midway a time or too. Shore Patrol was more interesting those times. |
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Quoted: 26,000 divided by 350 (1/350 scale) would be around 74 pounds. View Quote Yeah, except the 26K is the 1/350th weight/displacement.... original is 4066 long tons or 9.1M lbs Not that it matters since I was merely being a number crunch jackass for fun, and that’s not how it really works anyways (as others who didn’t get the joke have pointed out). OP, loving the work thus far! The more realistic weapons systems is a nice add-on! Do you have decals for the numbers and such? Or hand painting those? |
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Quoted: Yeah, except the 26K is the 1/350th weight/displacement.... original is 4066 long tons or 9.1M lbs Not that it matters since I was merely being a number crunch jackass for fun, and that’s not how it really works anyways (as others who didn’t get the joke have pointed out). OP, loving the work thus far! The more realistic weapons systems is a nice add-on! Do you have decals for the numbers and such? Or hand painting those? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: 26,000 divided by 350 (1/350 scale) would be around 74 pounds. Yeah, except the 26K is the 1/350th weight/displacement.... original is 4066 long tons or 9.1M lbs Not that it matters since I was merely being a number crunch jackass for fun, and that’s not how it really works anyways (as others who didn’t get the joke have pointed out). OP, loving the work thus far! The more realistic weapons systems is a nice add-on! Do you have decals for the numbers and such? Or hand painting those? Decals |
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Quoted: Yeah, except the 26K is the 1/350th weight/displacement.... original is 4066 long tons or 9.1M lbs Not that it matters since I was merely being a number crunch jackass for fun, and that’s not how it really works anyways (as others who didn’t get the joke have pointed out). View Quote You don't joke about math. |
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Quoted: Because we built them so well, that they pretty much were ships-of-the-line. I think we decided to call them frigates to fuck with people on purpose, kinda like the STG/MP44. "Ja. Is maschinenpistole. We swear." View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Brit skippers were under orders not to attack an American frigate alone with anything less than a Ship of the Line Because we built them so well, that they pretty much were ships-of-the-line. I think we decided to call them frigates to fuck with people on purpose, kinda like the STG/MP44. "Ja. Is maschinenpistole. We swear." Not just the way they were built, the way they were armed. Primary armament was 24-pounders, which were larger than what some European ships-of-the-line carried on their main gun decks. The shot of which was said to be able to penetrate two feet of oak at 1000-yards. Joshua Humphries designed the class of American Frigates. Of them, he wrote, “They are superior to any European frigate, and if others should be in [the enemy’s] company, our frigates can always lead ahead and never be obliged to go into action, but on their own terms, except in a calm; in blowing weather our ships are capable of engaging to advantage double deck ships.” Taken from Six Frigates by Ian Toll. Highly recommended book. Back to the thread! |
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