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Posted: 6/20/2014 7:57:12 AM EDT
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Wow, they said in the video the mass of the water behind the dam actually slowed down the earth's rotation by a fraction of a second. So when it fails and all of that mass RAPIDLY moves to a lower altitude, is the earth going to quickly speed up its rotation and fling us all into space? 
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Posted: 6/20/2014 8:03:08 AM EDT
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My driver in China says, "Life is cheap in China" Quote HistoryQuoted:
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History or Discovery channel had a great documentary on it. A lot of historical sites were covered by the lake. Archeologists tried to save as much as possible but there wasn't time. I also believe the dam is built on or near a fault line that concerned some experts. The Chinese of course didn't care about the history lost or the fault line. Can they do anything right or is their sole positive characteristic having cheap idiotic laborers willing to do anything? My driver in China says, "Life is cheap in China" As it was in america at one point. |
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Posted: 6/20/2014 8:04:28 AM EDT
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Quote History"Now are there any Dam questions?"
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Posted: 6/20/2014 8:10:34 AM EDT
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that'll be a great target for a handful of JDAMs if we ever have to fight them. Ever read about the last use of aerial torpedos in combat? 
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Posted: 6/20/2014 8:58:28 AM EDT
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My only knowledge is I wouldn't want to be downstream of "the largest dam in the world" built by China. EDIT: That elevator/lift for passenger boats is huge! Upstream, also has some problems.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3z9K82ZVdMA&sns=emI doubt that it will collapse. I consider Chinese engineering to be rivalled by that found in Somalian mud huts, but the dam is essentially a huge rock. As long as they let the concrete set, it isn't going anywhere. The means to build it aren't all that complex. We managed it in the 1930s at the Hoover Dam. The engineer's concern about the changing water level may be more than it deserves. Thirty meter reservoir fluctuations are huge. They destabilize the hillsides and the area already has landslide problems. This caused disasters in the past. The Vajont Dam in Italy is the obvious example. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vajont_Dam There are some important differences. The volume of the Italian reservoir was 4,000,000,000 m3*. The volume of the Three Gorges reservoir is ten times that. The hillside that collapsed into Lago del Vajont was right next to the dam. The landslide made a 250' wave over the top of the dam. The high hills at Three Gorges are several kilometers away from the dam. The extra volume of the reservoir will also absorb energy from a wave created by a landslide. You have to look at the pictures of the Vajont disaster to appreciate what happened. I have no faith in the ability of China to build anything. They don't get it. I think the site will experience significant landslides, but, rather than causing a lethal flood, they'll wreck the generating capacity somehow and China will find itself owning a very expensive chunk of cement. * http://basementgeographer.com/the-vajont-dam-disaster/ |
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Posted: 6/20/2014 9:01:49 AM EDT
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So, who are they going to nuke when the fault line its build on starts to roll and it fails? Themselves? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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that'll be a great target for a handful of JDAMs if we ever have to fight them. Some estimates place the loss of life at 100 million if that puppy pops. That's not something a president would order casually. China has also made it clear that any attack on the damn will warrant a nuclear response. So, who are they going to nuke when the fault line its build on starts to roll and it fails? Themselves? Well they could own up to their mistake and assign blame to themselves as the government. Or they could protect communism by blaming someone else for an insidious attack and nuke them to deflect blame. |
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Posted: 6/20/2014 9:45:07 AM EDT
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Posted: 6/20/2014 10:34:27 AM EDT
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Sad thing is that the PRC is building similar dams in Laos on the Mekong.
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Posted: 6/20/2014 10:46:33 AM EDT
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that'll be a great target for a handful of JDAMs if we ever have to fight them. China stated any attack on the dam, will result in them using nukes.. |
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Posted: 6/20/2014 2:53:47 PM EDT
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Some estimates place the loss of life at 100 million if that puppy pops. That's not something a president would order casually. China has also made it clear that any attack on the damn will warrant a nuclear response. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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that'll be a great target for a handful of JDAMs if we ever have to fight them. Some estimates place the loss of life at 100 million if that puppy pops. That's not something a president would order casually. China has also made it clear that any attack on the damn will warrant a nuclear response. Given reports of cracks and voids discovered in that structure while under construction, plus the geologic fault lines near an underneath the thing, there is no need to target that place. Nature is going to handle getting rid of it, probably before it gets as old as Hoover Dam is today. |
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Posted: 6/20/2014 2:54:02 PM EDT
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Well they could own up to their mistake and assign blame to themselves as the government. Or they could protect communism by blaming someone else for an insidious attack and nuke them to deflect blame. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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that'll be a great target for a handful of JDAMs if we ever have to fight them. Some estimates place the loss of life at 100 million if that puppy pops. That's not something a president would order casually. China has also made it clear that any attack on the damn will warrant a nuclear response. So, who are they going to nuke when the fault line its build on starts to roll and it fails? Themselves? Well they could own up to their mistake and assign blame to themselves as the government. Or they could protect communism by blaming someone else for an insidious attack and nuke them to deflect blame. Probably the Japanese. |
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Posted: 6/20/2014 2:58:56 PM EDT
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Ever read about the last use of aerial torpedos in combat? http://www.tropasearmas.xpg.com.br/ad-4-art-korea-dam-adpainting3_02_05.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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that'll be a great target for a handful of JDAMs if we ever have to fight them. Ever read about the last use of aerial torpedos in combat? http://www.tropasearmas.xpg.com.br/ad-4-art-korea-dam-adpainting3_02_05.jpg Way to leave us hanging. 
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Posted: 6/20/2014 3:00:50 PM EDT
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My parents took a riverboat trip there right before they built the dam. They took many pictures of villages that are now underwater.
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Posted: 6/20/2014 3:04:56 PM EDT
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I doubt that it will collapse. I consider Chinese engineering to be rivalled by that found in Somalian mud huts, but the dam is essentially a huge rock. As long as they let the concrete set, it isn't going anywhere. The means to build it aren't all that complex. We managed it in the 1930s at the Hoover Dam. The engineer's concern about the changing water level may be more than it deserves. Thirty meter reservoir fluctuations are huge. They destabilize the hillsides and the area already has landslide problems. This caused disasters in the past. The Vajont Dam in Italy is the obvious example. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vajont_Dam There are some important differences. The volume of the Italian reservoir was 4,000,000,000 m3*. The volume of the Three Gorges reservoir is ten times that. The hillside that collapsed into Lago del Vajont was right next to the dam. The landslide made a 250' wave over the top of the dam. The high hills at Three Gorges are several kilometers away from the dam. The extra volume of the reservoir will also absorb energy from a wave created by a landslide. You have to look at the pictures of the Vajont disaster to appreciate what happened. I have no faith in the ability of China to build anything. They don't get it. I think the site will experience significant landslides, but, rather than causing a lethal flood, they'll wreck the generating capacity somehow and China will find itself owning a very expensive chunk of cement. * http://basementgeographer.com/the-vajont-dam-disaster/ Quote HistoryQuoted:
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My only knowledge is I wouldn't want to be downstream of "the largest dam in the world" built by China. EDIT: That elevator/lift for passenger boats is huge! Upstream, also has some problems. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3z9K82ZVdMA&sns=emI doubt that it will collapse. I consider Chinese engineering to be rivalled by that found in Somalian mud huts, but the dam is essentially a huge rock. As long as they let the concrete set, it isn't going anywhere. The means to build it aren't all that complex. We managed it in the 1930s at the Hoover Dam. The engineer's concern about the changing water level may be more than it deserves. Thirty meter reservoir fluctuations are huge. They destabilize the hillsides and the area already has landslide problems. This caused disasters in the past. The Vajont Dam in Italy is the obvious example. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vajont_Dam There are some important differences. The volume of the Italian reservoir was 4,000,000,000 m3*. The volume of the Three Gorges reservoir is ten times that. The hillside that collapsed into Lago del Vajont was right next to the dam. The landslide made a 250' wave over the top of the dam. The high hills at Three Gorges are several kilometers away from the dam. The extra volume of the reservoir will also absorb energy from a wave created by a landslide. You have to look at the pictures of the Vajont disaster to appreciate what happened. I have no faith in the ability of China to build anything. They don't get it. I think the site will experience significant landslides, but, rather than causing a lethal flood, they'll wreck the generating capacity somehow and China will find itself owning a very expensive chunk of cement. * http://basementgeographer.com/the-vajont-dam-disaster/ The main dam may be concrete, but the South Dam is an earth filled structure and there are reports of meters long cracks that investigators looked into and saw that the fill had been washed away. That is the part most likely to fail and if the lake empties around the main dam and floods the power house from downstream, it would almost as bad as losing the main structure. |
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Posted: 6/20/2014 3:07:43 PM EDT
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Some estimates place the loss of life at 100 million if that puppy pops. That's not something a president would order casually. China has also made it clear that any attack on the damn will warrant a nuclear response. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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that'll be a great target for a handful of JDAMs if we ever have to fight them. Some estimates place the loss of life at 100 million if that puppy pops. That's not something a president would order casually. China has also made it clear that any attack on the damn will warrant a nuclear response. Don't JDAM the damned dam. JDAM the damned fault line that the damned dam sits upon, dammit. |
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Posted: 6/20/2014 3:09:48 PM EDT
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Way to leave us hanging. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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that'll be a great target for a handful of JDAMs if we ever have to fight them. Ever read about the last use of aerial torpedos in combat? http://www.tropasearmas.xpg.com.br/ad-4-art-korea-dam-adpainting3_02_05.jpg Way to leave us hanging. http://www.defensemedianetwork.com/stories/skyraiders-torpedo-the-hwachon-dam/ |
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Posted: 6/20/2014 3:09:48 PM EDT
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History or Discovery channel had a great documentary on it. A lot of historical sites were covered by the lake. Archeologists tried to save as much as possible but there wasn't time. I also believe the dam is built on or near a fault line that concerned some experts. The Chinese of course didn't care about the history lost or the fault line. Saw that one, it was interesting. |
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Posted: 6/20/2014 3:17:00 PM EDT
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One of the ROCs contingency plans in the event of a mainland attack is rumored to involve a one-way dambusting mission by F-16s.
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Posted: 6/20/2014 3:32:04 PM EDT
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History or Discovery channel had a great documentary on it. A lot of historical sites were covered by the lake. Archeologists tried to save as much as possible but there wasn't time. I also believe the dam is built on or near a fault line that concerned some experts. The Chinese of course didn't care about the history lost or the fault line. China's Mega Dam 2006 Discovery Channel Documentary http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4FRO1eYdgQMade it 26 minutes in. Good stuff. Will have to finish later. |
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Posted: 6/20/2014 3:38:18 PM EDT
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Wow, they said in the video the mass of the water behind the dam actually slowed down the earth's rotation by a fraction of a second. I did that when I took a piss this morning |
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Posted: 6/20/2014 3:50:08 PM EDT
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How long does it take all that concrete to cure 100%?
Honestly, I think it will blow. Too many factors working against it -- fault lines, pressures, earth-filled at points, Chinese engineering (get it done and deal with it later mindset). |
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Posted: 6/20/2014 3:50:38 PM EDT
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History or Discovery channel had a great documentary on it. A lot of historical sites were covered by the lake. Archeologists tried to save as much as possible but there wasn't time. I also believe the dam is built on or near a fault line that concerned some experts. The Chinese of course didn't care about the history lost or the fault line. This was a really interesting show. They basically rebuilt entire villages and booted people out. On the history aspect, can't fault them. Balance between the past and the future. And we're not exempt from such actions (TVA). |
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Posted: 6/20/2014 3:52:51 PM EDT
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tldw I heard it changed the length of the day or affected our axis or someshit though
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Posted: 6/20/2014 3:56:06 PM EDT
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Sad thing is that the PRC is building similar dams in Laos on the Mekong. The Vietnamese are justifiably pissed over it. Yup, I was gonna add this. Chinese imperialism is at it full speed. The Mekong through Laos used to be considered (seasonably) navigable. Not anymore. I saw stranded and junked ships all up and down the thing. Everyone in the villages blames the Chinese. cheers, |
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Posted: 6/20/2014 4:05:40 PM EDT
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I've been there.
It is a huge dam. Biblical even. A God dam. It is bigger than Monaco, so big it is a dam nation. And the dam water is so polluted it wears the turbines out really fast. I mean there is dam age happening. But downstream people have insurance against a catastrophic failure. It is indamnification. In truth, it is so large it is hard to grasp just how big it is. The 135' river cruise ship we were on went through the ship lift with seven other vessels. |
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Posted: 6/20/2014 4:06:43 PM EDT
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Apparently there were a lot of very old towns that were destroyed and China just told the residents, "too bad, get out or we will remove you." |
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Posted: 6/20/2014 4:09:13 PM EDT
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From what I know there were some grossly poor estimations on sediment buildup on the dam, and it is becoming an ever growing problem.
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Posted: 6/20/2014 4:37:00 PM EDT
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As it was in america at one point. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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History or Discovery channel had a great documentary on it. A lot of historical sites were covered by the lake. Archeologists tried to save as much as possible but there wasn't time. I also believe the dam is built on or near a fault line that concerned some experts. The Chinese of course didn't care about the history lost or the fault line. Can they do anything right or is their sole positive characteristic having cheap idiotic laborers willing to do anything? My driver in China says, "Life is cheap in China" As it was in america at one point. I actually equate China to 1900-1930's US as far as industrial revolution. |
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Posted: 6/20/2014 5:00:14 PM EDT
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Ever read about the last use of aerial torpedos in combat? http://www.tropasearmas.xpg.com.br/ad-4-art-korea-dam-adpainting3_02_05.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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that'll be a great target for a handful of JDAMs if we ever have to fight them. Ever read about the last use of aerial torpedos in combat? http://www.tropasearmas.xpg.com.br/ad-4-art-korea-dam-adpainting3_02_05.jpg 
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Posted: 6/20/2014 5:30:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How long does it take all that concrete to cure 100%? Honestly, I think it will blow. Too many factors working against it -- fault lines, pressures, earth-filled at points, Chinese engineering (get it done and deal with it later mindset). Siting yet another documentary from TV...  I watched a show about the Hoover dam, and they said even to this day the concrete is still curing. Technically, the Hoover dam gets stronger by the minute. |
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Posted: 6/20/2014 5:31:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: its not curved so it is just a matter of time before is shears away and "floods" CA Not necessarily. Some dams are so big they act like a giant rock and hold the water back that way. They don't have to be curved. Most Columbia River dams are the same design as this one. |
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Posted: 6/20/2014 5:34:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Their government would probably welcome it. 100 million less mouths to feed.  ETA Not the failure of the dam, but the human loss of life. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I don't think any engineer could say when it will fail. But I think nearly every engineer agrees- given our observations of design choices, construction choices, construction quality, etc- that it will certainly fail. And THAT is going to be one major disaster for China. Their government would probably welcome it. 100 million less mouths to feed. ETA Not the failure of the dam, but the human loss of life. I don't think so; it's upstream from some of their wealthiest cities. They'd be bankrupt if that thing popped. |
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Posted: 6/20/2014 5:48:44 PM EDT
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Siting yet another documentary from TV...
I watched a show about the Hoover dam, and they said even to this day the concrete is still curing. Technically, the Hoover dam gets stronger by the minute. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How long does it take all that concrete to cure 100%? Honestly, I think it will blow. Too many factors working against it -- fault lines, pressures, earth-filled at points, Chinese engineering (get it done and deal with it later mindset). Siting yet another documentary from TV...
I watched a show about the Hoover dam, and they said even to this day the concrete is still curing. Technically, the Hoover dam gets stronger by the minute. I went on the "engineering tour" of the Hoover Dam before they closed that down. It took you literally inside the dam. During the tour, they said that deep inside the cured concrete, the uncured concrete has the consistency of cookie dough. |
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Posted: 6/20/2014 5:50:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: "Now are there any Dam questions?" Quote HistoryQuoted: "Now are there any Dam questions?" |
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