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Posted: 5/11/2008 6:29:52 AM EDT
had 2 others in the past....

Took Tramadol for the pain....

Drinking water, can't lie down hurts too much....

Just threw up my water.....

pray for me please.
Link Posted: 5/11/2008 6:30:56 AM EDT
[#1]
been there done that
Link Posted: 5/11/2008 6:30:56 AM EDT
[#2]
Drink more water.  Then drink much, much more.  Keep drinking.




One who Knows
Link Posted: 5/11/2008 6:41:37 AM EDT
[#3]
Ahh...the sheer exquisite agony of a kidney stone...."shudder"...I can certainly sympathize with you.  Drink lots of water.
Link Posted: 5/11/2008 6:47:26 AM EDT
[#4]
been dealing with them for 15 years now. I've had 4-5 really, really bad ones, the rest have hurt but  7-8 motrins every 4 hours handled them.

good luck
Link Posted: 5/11/2008 6:48:34 AM EDT
[#5]
Me too; I feel your pain bro...literally.

Good luck.
Link Posted: 5/11/2008 6:50:41 AM EDT
[#6]

Quoted:
been there done that


+1 got the T-shirt and it still sucked........
Link Posted: 5/11/2008 6:57:01 AM EDT
[#7]
I never took anything for the pain but really the only thing I found that made it tolerable was to curl up into a ball in a hot bath.  I'd stay there for hours adding hot water every now and then until pain subsided.  Repeat as necessary.  Hope you feel better soon, it ranks way up there on the worst pain meter, mainly because it last so fucking long.

Bill3508
Link Posted: 5/11/2008 7:00:20 AM EDT
[#8]
buddy i feel for you, my first stone was 13mm and had to have it busted up i feel for you, good luck. i've passed 2 that were 7 and 8 mm, no fun my man
Link Posted: 5/11/2008 7:00:39 AM EDT
[#9]

Quoted:
Drink more water.  Then drink much, much more.  Keep drinking.

One who Knows


+1

You don't want to run out of water at the "critical moment".
Link Posted: 5/11/2008 7:04:15 AM EDT
[#10]
Ive never had one. Sounds very painful. Docs cant do anything for you?

Good luck!
Link Posted: 5/11/2008 7:08:13 AM EDT
[#11]
You poor bugger...

Go to the ER for some stronger pain medicine if you need it.  Most ER docs see enough kidney stones to appreciate the exquisite agony they produce... and prescribe accordingly (any anyone who tells you to "take some motrin" needs their compassion meter recalibrated).

Also get something for the nausea... pain medication does you zero good if you can't keep it down.

Incidentally, women who have given birth AND had kidney stones will almost universally tell you that kidney stones are worse than labor... so you can laugh the next time your wife/GF says "you don't know what it's like to have a baby!"

Drink lots of fluids... most kidney stones are only a millimeter or two in size, and people manage to pass them fairly quickly.  Your odds of passing a stone are roughly inversely proportional to it's size in millimeters, going from 1-10mm.  eg. you have a 90+% chance of passing a 1mm stone, and only a 10% chance of passing a 9mm stone.  

Note that "quickly" is a relative thing when you're in agony... it's sometimes only a few hours until the ordeal is over, but in the meantime you suffer like Job.

Good luck.
Link Posted: 5/11/2008 7:09:10 AM EDT
[#12]
There are several options for docs.  

First option is to go up and grab the stone, the hard way.

Ever see the kidney stone episode of Deadwood?

Link Posted: 5/11/2008 7:12:23 AM EDT
[#13]

Originally Posted By TheGrayMan

Incidentally, women who have given birth AND had kidney stones will almost universally tell you that kidney stones are worse than labor... so you can laugh the next time your wife/GF says "you don't know what it's like to have a baby!"


The nurse I had for my stone said the same thing.
She had a child, and a stone.  She said the stone was a lot worse.

My urologist said not to drink anything, and he scheduled a procedure to go up and
get the stone.  

I went home and said "to hell with that".  I drank a quart of ice tea, and jogged around
the block a few times.  It came out on it's own.
Link Posted: 5/11/2008 7:17:39 AM EDT
[#14]
I took Dilaudid for my pain. Very strong drug.

Dilaudid
Link Posted: 5/11/2008 7:18:59 AM EDT
[#15]
I can't believe no one has quoted my dearly banned friend Hemi-Cuda, who said "Dear god, I just gave birth through my penis.."

Link Posted: 5/11/2008 7:21:03 AM EDT
[#16]
At its worst my stone hurt so bad that morphine didn't help and I had to hospitalized and placed on a intravenous drug called dilaudid which did offer relief.

I underwent that ultra sound proceedure that's supposed to break up the stone; that didn't work either.

The damn thing is stuck in my distal euretha and I'm going to have it blasted with a fucking laser which will be passed through a tube inserted in my pecker.

Fucking stone is only 5x3mm but it won't pass.

I'm off to the doctor tomorrow to schedule the procedure.

Link Posted: 5/11/2008 7:22:33 AM EDT
[#17]
How do you get kidney stones? From your stories I am thankful I have never had one.
Link Posted: 5/11/2008 7:25:38 AM EDT
[#18]

Quoted:
How do you get kidney stones? From your stories I am thankful I have never had one.

I'm curious too, I've read some harrowing kidney stone stories on Arfcom and I want no part of that.  I read somewhere that drinking lots of water helps minimize the chance of stones, along with lemonade and cranberry juice, the acids in the juices supposedly help break that shit up.
Link Posted: 5/11/2008 7:25:55 AM EDT
[#19]

Quoted:
How do you get kidney stones? From your stories I am thankful I have never had one.


Any one of several different ways, all depending on the composition of the stone.  This is why your urologist will ask you to save the stone and bring it in; stone analysis can tell them what it's made of, and consequently why you're having them.

Without knowing the composition, you can't really tell the person what risk factors to modify.
Link Posted: 5/11/2008 7:29:04 AM EDT
[#20]
EDIT:  the following is what my doctor told me

Kidney stone are the result of minerals precipitating in your kidney.

Think "hard water deposits" in your own internal plumbing.

Some doctors think that drinking too much coffee or soda is the cause.

Some people are simply prone to them.

Some people believe drinking more water will help prevent them,
and logically they are correct.  Minerals don't precipitate unless they
are in a saturated solution.  Drinking more water keeps the solution diluted.

If you have never seen a kidney stone, imagine a brillo pad.
Or a small wadded up piece of sandpaper.
Sharp jagged edges of crystals.
Its no wonder they tear you up as they move through you,
and have trouble passing through fleshy tubes in your body.

The pain, however, isn't caused by the stone jabbing into your tubing.

The pain is caused by the backpressure on your kidney.

According to my doc, the kidney is very sensitive to pressure.

Link Posted: 5/11/2008 7:30:54 AM EDT
[#21]
I had 3 in December/January that required hospitialization for pain meds while they broke them up and put a stint in beteween my kidney and bladder. I was in a lot of pain for about 1.5 weeks.

Lots of water and $19k later I feel fine. I've completely changed my eating habits and only drink water/tea now. Hopefully I won't have to go through that bullshit again.

I feel your pain brotha....
Link Posted: 5/11/2008 7:31:30 AM EDT
[#22]
I've had one.

Passed it after carrying it for nine months.  Too low to bust with Ultrasound and too high to bust with laser or grab with a basket catheter...

Link Posted: 5/11/2008 7:34:22 AM EDT
[#23]
Is a horrible pain..back in the day some of my buddies and I took a road trip drinking (Used To Be Popular) from Ann Arbor and ended up in Kentucky with John in terrible screaming pain and went to an emergerncy room and they gave him  a scrip for liquid Tylenol........We were drinking coke and Jack and he laughed at that.He did say after it passed was like trying to piss out a baseball bat or the doc said like giving birth.Drink water he said
Link Posted: 5/11/2008 7:42:42 AM EDT
[#24]

Quoted:
EDIT:  the following is what my doctor told me

Kidney stone are the result of minerals precipitating in your kidney.

Think "hard water deposits" in your own internal plumbing.

Some doctors think that drinking too much coffee or soda is the cause.

Some people are simply prone to them.

Some people believe drinking more water will help prevent them,
and logically they are correct.  Minerals don't precipitate unless they
are in a saturated solution.  Drinking more water keeps the solution diluted.

If you have never seen a kidney stone, imagine a brillo pad.
Or a small wadded up piece of sandpaper.
Sharp jagged edges of crystals.
Its no wonder they tear you up as they move through you,
and have trouble passing through fleshy tubes in your body.

The pain, however, isn't caused by the stone jabbing into your tubing.

The pain is caused by the backpressure on your kidney.

According to my doc, the kidney is very sensitive to pressure.



Most of the stones I've seen are pretty smooth... the picture UXB posted above is fairly representative.

And your doc is correct... the severe "colic" pain that comes with kidney stones results from backpressure stretching the ureter and the renal collecting system (Hydronephrosis is the medical term).  This is at its worst when you have a high-grade obstruction in the ureter.

Obstruction tends to happen at a couple of points, but the worst is often when the stone is just about ready to pass into the bladder.  There is a tiny valve where the ureter plugs into the back of the bladder, and stones tend to hang up right there.

Incidently, most stones are Calcium-based... but there are other types.  For instance, Uric acid stones are seen in people with Gout (and cancer patients).  

I've also seen Ephedrine stones.  I had one girl who kept coming back to the ER over and over for kidney stones (she was a meth user), and we finally caught one and sent it to the lab.  The stone was mostly composed of Ephedrine that had precipitated out in her kidneys (apparently she either took lots of diet pills along with her other drugs, or the meth she was using was low-grade, and had significant unprocessed ephedrine in it).  Those are pretty rare... only a fraction of a percent of kidney stones will be that kind of exotic composition.

If you have to go with the odds, pick Calcium.
Link Posted: 5/11/2008 8:18:21 AM EDT
[#25]
Dude I feel your pain, I am getting rid of a couple right now my self. The pain sucks. Worst part is I'm at school right now switching airframes and I cannot fly until I get rid of em. I had one a few years ago that got busted up by the ultrasonic and when it came out it was pretty huge (no wonder I hurt). Hang in there and hope it comes out soon for ya.
Link Posted: 5/11/2008 8:48:21 AM EDT
[#26]
I had one in dec last year. They had to go in a laser it out, I came out with a staph infection.  Now everytime I think my kidneys even feel like they start to hurt, I start drinking Cranberry juice.  Apparently the acidity helps make the stone smaller. Im still fighting with staph infections though, Ive had 4 since then, thank God for Oxycodene.
Link Posted: 5/11/2008 8:57:45 AM EDT
[#27]

Quoted:
been there done that


9mm three weeks ago,it sucked but my nut surgery is much worse.
Link Posted: 5/11/2008 9:51:34 AM EDT
[#28]
Ive had four in the last year Twice I went to the ER and a shot of morphine.

 I told the doc if I could keep from pucking up the pain medsI could tough it out.
He gave me a script for Phenergan for nausea, I have that bottle taped to a bottle of Oxcy.

 all of mine came around 3am. I was like someone kicking me in the nuts while twisting a kinfe in my side nonstop
Link Posted: 5/11/2008 12:21:16 PM EDT
[#29]

Quoted:

Quoted:
EDIT:  the following is what my doctor told me

Kidney stone are the result of minerals precipitating in your kidney.

Think "hard water deposits" in your own internal plumbing.

Some doctors think that drinking too much coffee or soda is the cause.

Some people are simply prone to them.

Some people believe drinking more water will help prevent them,
and logically they are correct.  Minerals don't precipitate unless they
are in a saturated solution.  Drinking more water keeps the solution diluted.

If you have never seen a kidney stone, imagine a brillo pad.
Or a small wadded up piece of sandpaper.
Sharp jagged edges of crystals.
Its no wonder they tear you up as they move through you,
and have trouble passing through fleshy tubes in your body.

The pain, however, isn't caused by the stone jabbing into your tubing.

The pain is caused by the backpressure on your kidney.

According to my doc, the kidney is very sensitive to pressure.



Most of the stones I've seen are pretty smooth... the picture UXB posted above is fairly representative.

Incidently, most stones are Calcium-based... but there are other types.


Interesting.  My stone was the opposite of smooth.

The lab said it was calcium oxylate.  
Link Posted: 5/11/2008 12:47:19 PM EDT
[#30]

Quoted:
You poor bugger...

Go to the ER for some stronger pain medicine if you need it.  Most ER docs see enough kidney stones to appreciate the exquisite agony they produce... and prescribe accordingly (any anyone who tells you to "take some motrin" needs their compassion meter recalibrated).

Also get something for the nausea... pain medication does you zero good if you can't keep it down.


+1 any time my husband has had a kidney stone the docs took him right back and started pushing morphine and IV fluids.  
Link Posted: 5/11/2008 12:50:37 PM EDT
[#31]

Quoted:
I had one in dec last year. They had to go in a laser it out, I came out with a staph infection.  Now everytime I think my kidneys even feel like they start to hurt, I start drinking Cranberry juice.  Apparently the acidity helps make the stone smaller. Im still fighting with staph infections though, Ive had 4 since then, thank God for Oxycodene.



You likely now have the bloodbourne variant MRSA and will be fighting various staph infections the remainder of your life. I know a girl who is in her early twenties that is fighting MRSA all because she went to have a mole removed two years ago.
Link Posted: 5/11/2008 12:52:30 PM EDT
[#32]
Giving birth to a BB is painful, much sympathy goes out to you, been there done that.
Link Posted: 5/11/2008 12:55:08 PM EDT
[#33]
Never had one. I think drinking a half to 1 gallon of water a  day has helped.

Question, is it when you shoot it out your rod that hurts? or when the stone is on its way to the bladder? I heard most don't really feel it shoot out.
Link Posted: 5/11/2008 12:58:09 PM EDT
[#34]

Quoted:
Never had one. I think drinking a half to 1 gallon of water a  day has helped.

Question, is it when you shoot it out your rod that hurts? or when the stone is on its way to the bladder? I heard most don't really feel it shoot out.


From the kidney to the bladder... I had a 2mm stone about a year and a half ago, once that little fucker dropped into my bladder the feeling of relief was overwhelming.

~Dg84
Link Posted: 5/11/2008 1:45:51 PM EDT
[#35]
Oy.  You guys are lucky with your smooth stones.

This one was mine from 3 or 4 years ago.  Guess which way it came out.  Jagged end first?  Nope.  Sideways.  It got lodged in my urethra and I had to force it out after taking a lot of vicodin and Azo.  Approximate size is 7mm length, 3-4mm diameter.






Pregnancy is the worst thing ever?  Shut your mouth, woman.  You have no idea!
Link Posted: 5/11/2008 1:59:53 PM EDT
[#36]
Man up. JK ,,

The wife had one several months ago the size of 4 peas long and 2 wide ( the largest the Dr had seen in 20 years ). She was in pain for 2 weeks waiting for the Machine to come back to bust them up.

She was put to sleep to put the stint in and after 3 weeks after they got busted up they took the stint out in the office, she said that was bad also.
Link Posted: 5/11/2008 2:05:31 PM EDT
[#37]
As we speak, I have a 9mm stone trying to make it's way down.

I think I'm looking at my second lithotripsy.

I've also passed a few by myself.

My heart goes out to you. Misery loves company.
Link Posted: 5/11/2008 2:07:18 PM EDT
[#38]

Quoted:
buddy i feel for you, my first stone was 13mm and had to have it busted up i feel for you, good luck. i've passed 2 that were 7 and 8 mm, no fun my man


You beat the odds by passing those stones. That's about the upper limit of passable.
Link Posted: 5/11/2008 2:10:37 PM EDT
[#39]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:
EDIT:  the following is what my doctor told me

Kidney stone are the result of minerals precipitating in your kidney.

Think "hard water deposits" in your own internal plumbing.

Some doctors think that drinking too much coffee or soda is the cause.

Some people are simply prone to them.

Some people believe drinking more water will help prevent them,
and logically they are correct.  Minerals don't precipitate unless they
are in a saturated solution.  Drinking more water keeps the solution diluted.

If you have never seen a kidney stone, imagine a brillo pad.
Or a small wadded up piece of sandpaper.
Sharp jagged edges of crystals.
Its no wonder they tear you up as they move through you,
and have trouble passing through fleshy tubes in your body.

The pain, however, isn't caused by the stone jabbing into your tubing.

The pain is caused by the backpressure on your kidney.

According to my doc, the kidney is very sensitive to pressure.



Most of the stones I've seen are pretty smooth... the picture UXB posted above is fairly representative.

Incidently, most stones are Calcium-based... but there are other types.


Interesting.  My stone was the opposite of smooth.

The lab said it was calcium oxylate.  


Mine are Calcium oxalate, and they're quite rough.
Link Posted: 5/11/2008 2:21:27 PM EDT
[#40]
I created one of my last ones.  I did the slim-fast diet and drank only seltzer water.

My doctor, after the stone analysis (calcium carbonate) said "You fool, what do you think you were doing?  High doses of calcium and carbonated water?"  Oh snap...


www.urologychannel.com/kidneystones/causes.shtml

Diet plays an important role in the development of kidney stones, especially in patients who are predisposed to the condition. A diet high in sodium, fats, meat, and sugar, and low in fiber, vegetable protein, and unrefined carbohydrates increases the risk for renal stone disease. Recurrent kidney stones may form in patients who are sensitive to the chemical byproducts of animal protein and who consume large amounts of meat.

High doses of vitamin C (i.e., more than 500 mg per day) can result in high levels of oxalate in the urine (hyperoxaluria) and increase the risk for kidney stones. Oxalate is found in berries, vegetables (e.g., green beans, beets, spinach, squash, tomatoes), nuts, chocolate, and tea. Stone formers should limit their intake of cranberries, which contain a moderate amount of oxalate.
Link Posted: 5/11/2008 5:29:30 PM EDT
[#41]

Quoted:

Quoted:
I had one in dec last year. They had to go in a laser it out, I came out with a staph infection.  Now everytime I think my kidneys even feel like they start to hurt, I start drinking Cranberry juice.  Apparently the acidity helps make the stone smaller. Im still fighting with staph infections though, Ive had 4 since then, thank God for Oxycodene.



You likely now have the bloodbourne variant MRSA and will be fighting various staph infections the remainder of your life. I know a girl who is in her early twenties that is fighting MRSA all because she went to have a mole removed two years ago.


Actually, blood-borne MRSA is, by definition, staph sepsis, and is rapidly lethal if untreated.

What you're talking about is an MRSA carrier state... and staph actually lives in the nose, not the bloodstream.
Link Posted: 5/11/2008 5:31:08 PM EDT
[#42]
I've had 5 or 6 stones, and 3 lithotripsies, so I definitely sympathize.  Good luck, and hopefully they pass quickly!
Link Posted: 5/11/2008 5:33:29 PM EDT
[#43]
I've been trying to pass one since FEB 2nd!

It only hurt real bad the first day with vomiting pain, but my urologist has been getting me xrayed every few weeks, and it's continuing to move.  His mindset is it's always better to pass it naturally if possible.

It's been about 1/2" from the bladder for a few weeks now.  Only a pinge of pain every once in a while.

Link Posted: 5/11/2008 6:56:27 PM EDT
[#44]
Well, I threw up three times this morning.  My wife was in Oklahoma for mothers day.  She rushed home, I was unable to pass the stone and I had most likely vomited out my pain meds, so I got no relief there.  She took me to the ER and I told them right away that I had passed two others within the last couple years, so they set me up with an IV and gave me:

Reglin (spelling) for nausea
Tordol (again spelling) for pain
and Nubane (..) for pain relief right now.

They took a CT scan and told me it was about to drop into the bladder and was 2mm in size. Unreal how something so small could cause so much pain.  

I passed if when I got home with the first trip to the john.  Here is the offending party:



Link Posted: 5/11/2008 7:14:53 PM EDT
[#45]
CONGRATS!

Glad you worked that out on your own.
Link Posted: 5/11/2008 7:17:27 PM EDT
[#46]

Quoted:
Oy.  You guys are lucky with your smooth stones.

This one was mine from 3 or 4 years ago.  Guess which way it came out.  Jagged end first?  Nope.  Sideways.  It got lodged in my urethra and I had to force it out after taking a lot of vicodin and Azo.  Approximate size is 7mm length, 3-4mm diameter.

home.earthlink.net/~uberphlubb/netpix/stone.jpg




Pregnancy is the worst thing ever?  Shut your mouth, woman.  You have no idea!


WTF?!?  If there is a God in heaven I pray that I never have to experience such a thing...
Link Posted: 5/11/2008 7:18:10 PM EDT
[#47]
If only mine would come out right now.. Mine are somewhat bigger like 3-4 mm... and yeah something that small can hurt like hell....Feels like constant burning and a big ass needle stuck in your side or other places and it moves..
Link Posted: 5/11/2008 7:18:38 PM EDT
[#48]

Quoted:
CONGRATS!

Glad you worked that out on your own.


Definitely!  And I agree that it's hard to believe that something so small can cause so much pain!
Link Posted: 5/11/2008 7:23:36 PM EDT
[#49]
My doc said drink a 6 pack of beer. Now some of you may disagree but one stone is for rookies. I have dueling kidneys that try to see which one can cause the most pain and produce the largest stone.
Link Posted: 5/11/2008 7:23:51 PM EDT
[#50]
Nasty.
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