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Quoted: Russel actually learned about pander-marketing to an internet identity group right here on Arfcom, back when CavArms was the site’s favorite project, but I don’t think he was ever a big fan of Arfcom. Quoted: Quoted: Since when? Because we don't share a certain belief of have our own opinions? Russel actually learned about pander-marketing to an internet identity group right here on Arfcom, back when CavArms was the site’s favorite project, but I don’t think he was ever a big fan of Arfcom. That whole CavArms thing was stupid. IIRC we provided funding for their legal defense fund without being told the full story behind the ATF raiding CavArms. We essentially funded a lie. That’s how I remember it. |
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Quoted: Trying to stay out of this as much as possible. I do find it sad that one side is lighting torches and grabbing pitchforks and the other is not. With that said, I will again ask everyone here to not attack them and leave them in peace. We are not here to harm companies who are not our enemy and who believe in the 2A. Anyone who promotes an agenda like this will be warned or removed. They are entitled to their opinions and beliefs. It is the very core of what makes this country great. If you don't agree with them, then don't go to their pages! Which side is lighting torches and grabbing pitchforks? Not us, we have 1000 lumen flash lights and we ill-advisedly gave the pitchfork to that guy who cries a lot. |
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Quoted: Which side is lighting torches and grabbing pitchforks? Not us, we have 1000 lumen flash lights and we ill-advisedly gave the pitchfork to that guy who cries a lot. Quoted: Quoted: Trying to stay out of this as much as possible. I do find it sad that one side is lighting torches and grabbing pitchforks and the other is not. With that said, I will again ask everyone here to not attack them and leave them in peace. We are not here to harm companies who are not our enemy and who believe in the 2A. Anyone who promotes an agenda like this will be warned or removed. They are entitled to their opinions and beliefs. It is the very core of what makes this country great. If you don't agree with them, then don't go to their pages! Which side is lighting torches and grabbing pitchforks? Not us, we have 1000 lumen flash lights and we ill-advisedly gave the pitchfork to that guy who cries a lot. He's talking about Karl's supporters. They're actively advocating for cancelling the site. They've already brigaded it. |
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Quoted: Russel actually learned about pander-marketing to an internet identity group right here on Arfcom, back when CavArms was the site’s favorite project, but I don’t think he was ever a big fan of Arfcom. LOL GD loves itself some pander marketing. Always have always will. BTW you check out the newest roast of BRCC? It's only $28 a bag and it has a picture of an AK-47 on it! 1% of net proceeds go to Ukraine 
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Quoted: Yea, so just read it. They played GD IMHO, the same way you see the well known voices in the other controversial threads do. It's formulaic how easy it is; Selectively decide which comments to respond to, avoid addressing anything of substance or screen shots, try and keep responses to sarcastic one liners often ending with childish counter accusations, bait the conversation into a thread slide of insults resulting in a lock. From page 32 to 38/thread lock the entire conversation can be characterized as "I know you are but what am I?" in response to being called a commie  The disappointing part is I'd wager a thread lock was what they were going for. Quoted: Quoted: Keep going. Yea, so just read it. They played GD IMHO, the same way you see the well known voices in the other controversial threads do. It's formulaic how easy it is; Selectively decide which comments to respond to, avoid addressing anything of substance or screen shots, try and keep responses to sarcastic one liners often ending with childish counter accusations, bait the conversation into a thread slide of insults resulting in a lock. From page 32 to 38/thread lock the entire conversation can be characterized as "I know you are but what am I?" in response to being called a commie The disappointing part is I'd wager a thread lock was what they were going for. Locking the thread to quell discussion about their beliefs/actions so as not to hurt their sales. And he then plays victim when he gets banned. |
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Quoted: Which side is lighting torches and grabbing pitchforks? Not us, we have 1000 lumen flash lights and we ill-advisedly gave the pitchfork to that guy who cries a lot. They knew what they were doing, and we all called it when they showed up again on Page 31. However, for now - let's move forward with this thread, and if Goatboy cleans up the old one, we can move back in. Attached File |
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Quoted: Yea, so just read it. They played GD IMHO, the same way you see the well known voices in the other controversial threads do. It's formulaic how easy it is; Selectively decide which comments to respond to, avoid addressing anything of substance or screen shots, try and keep responses to sarcastic one liners often ending with childish counter accusations, bait the conversation into a thread slide of insults resulting in a lock. From page 32 to 38/thread lock the entire conversation can be characterized as "I know you are but what am I?" in response to being called a commie The disappointing part is I'd wager a thread lock was what they were going for. Karl actually did use the “I know you are but what am I line.” However, it may, or maybe not, have been a plan to get the thread locked. It’s almost possible to be the lightning rod in an Arfcom debate because you’ve got twenty posters all trying get a hit in, and it’s impossible to respond. There was no way for Karl to wade into that and have any ending other than an ugly gangbang. That’s not to defend him, he doesn’t make sound arguments on forums where he controls every aspect of the conversation, just a thought on the inevitable outcome of a call out thread. |
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Quoted: Trying to stay out of this as much as possible. I do find it sad that one side is lighting torches and grabbing pitchforks and the other is not. With that said, I will again ask everyone here to not attack them and leave them in peace. We are not here to harm companies who are not our enemy and who believe in the 2A. Anyone who promotes an agenda like this will be warned or removed. They are entitled to their opinions and beliefs. It is the very core of what makes this country great. If you don't agree with them, then don't go to their pages! We all did wrong in the previous thread, but let's be the betters by not escalating. If we allow ourselves to devolve in to shit slinging... well, we'll just be covered in shit as well. |
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Quoted: Another side effect of it getting locked, and not nuked, is if you search Karl Kasarda - we show up more times in the results; because Google indexes everything. Small victories. I may be wrong, but I think Google leans the results to what they expect you to look for. Other people would get different results. |
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Quoted: He's talking about Karl's supporters. They're actively advocating for cancelling the site. They've already brigaded it. |
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Quoted: Suddenly you realize none of this is about "pro gun" - it is, and has always been, about control and control of the conversation. The fact many of us were unwilling to back down from a bunch of literal communists trying to wrench control of the conversation makes me very, very happy How many times have we seen a company get into poop slinging contest because they couldn’t keep politics out of it? You’d think companies would learn that it’s a death knell anytime they let their owners start voicing their political opinions on social media. |
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Quoted: Karl actually did use the “I know you are but what am I line.” However, it may, or maybe not, have been a plan to get the thread locked. It’s almost possible to be the lightning rod in an Arfcom debate because you’ve got twenty posters all trying get a hit in, and it’s impossible to respond. There was no way for Karl to wade into that and have any ending other than an ugly gangbang. That’s not to defend him, he doesn’t make sound arguments on forums where he controls every aspect of the conversation, just a thought on the inevitable outcome of a call out thread. I'm with ya, it was clear there were members lining up to be "the one" who gets to make the best insult. That's how GD works. That's the "selective responses" I was referencing and exactly how threads on other controversial topics slide and get locked. |
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Quoted: Yea, so just read it. They played GD IMHO, the same way you see the well known voices in the other controversial threads do. It's formulaic how easy it is; Selectively decide which comments to respond to, avoid addressing anything of substance or screen shots, try and keep responses to sarcastic one liners often ending with childish counter accusations, bait the conversation into a thread slide of insults resulting in a lock. From page 32 to 38/thread lock the entire conversation can be characterized as "I know you are but what am I?" in response to being called a commie The disappointing part is I'd wager a thread lock was what they were going for. Quoted: Quoted: Keep going. Yea, so just read it. They played GD IMHO, the same way you see the well known voices in the other controversial threads do. It's formulaic how easy it is; Selectively decide which comments to respond to, avoid addressing anything of substance or screen shots, try and keep responses to sarcastic one liners often ending with childish counter accusations, bait the conversation into a thread slide of insults resulting in a lock. From page 32 to 38/thread lock the entire conversation can be characterized as "I know you are but what am I?" in response to being called a commie The disappointing part is I'd wager a thread lock was what they were going for. It was probably for the best. I wish him well. But if wishes were fishes.. Fuck Morris Dees. |
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Quoted: The 2nd amendment is an individual right shared by all Americans. Quoted: Quoted: It's ironic because leftists believe in gun ownership as a collective right and not an individual one. Of course, and it has absolutely nothing to do with the criticism of Karl. |
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Quoted: That whole CavArms thing was stupid. IIRC we provided funding for their legal defense fund without being told the full story behind the ATF raiding CavArms. We essentially funded a lie. That’s how I remember it. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Since when? Because we don't share a certain belief of have our own opinions? Russel actually learned about pander-marketing to an internet identity group right here on Arfcom, back when CavArms was the site’s favorite project, but I don’t think he was ever a big fan of Arfcom. That whole CavArms thing was stupid. IIRC we provided funding for their legal defense fund without being told the full story behind the ATF raiding CavArms. We essentially funded a lie. That’s how I remember it. This… |
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He sounds like a useful idiot. One of those allies that would immediately get purged by the very same regime they helped get into power. Basically a tool that is enslaved by his idealism. I'm not insulting him, just describing his personality and thought processes. |
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Quoted: This… I wasn’t talking about CavAid. Shit, Arfcom embarrassed themselves with the way GD responded to the end of that fiasco. I was talking about the long-term relationship of CavArms and GD before that. You don’t think those guys were here knee deep in Arfcom, for years, primarily because they were hoping to hype and sell those plastic lowers? If you can wade into GD with a military themed lower and bro vet marketing, you can wade into the SRA with a “community defense” themed rifle and DEI marketing. Probably more limiting in the long run, but it will help keep the lights on when you’re small. |
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Quoted: I'm with ya, it was clear there were members lining up to be "the one" who gets to make the best insult. That's how GD works. This, in a nutshell is our biggest failing and how society functions these days. It's about the bigger insult or the bigger hate title. Everyone is a racist, a nazi, a communist, or whatever flavor of the day is. Good discussion is hard to come by because someone becomes emotional and the insult competition begins. Karl showed he was not scared and I applaud him for jumping into the other thread, but then the flood gates opened on responses and insults, it got out of control. He took it all in stride and it pissed some folks off by not reacting emotionally. It was not fair to him to deal with that all those comments at once and it was not productive to any discussion in there. It does us no good to have him come in here only to be abused again. Lightning rods for problems only encourage more problems. This situation needs to calm down several notches and folks need to leave each other in peace. Maybe then we can have constructive conversations. |
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Quoted: This, in a nutshell is our biggest failing and how society functions these days. It's about the bigger insult or the bigger hate title. Everyone is a racist, a nazi, a communist, or whatever flavor of the day is. Good discussion is hard to come by because someone becomes emotional and the insult competition begins. Karl showed he was not scared and I applaud him for jumping into the other thread, but then the flood gates opened on responses and insults, it got out of control. He took it all in stride and it pissed some folks off by not reacting emotionally. It was not fair to him to deal with that all those comments at once and it was not productive to any discussion in there. It does us no good to have him come in here only to be abused again. Lightning rods for problems only encourage more problems. This situation needs to calm down several notches and folks need to leave each other in peace. Maybe then we can have constructive conversations. You say that now, but there’s probably an SPLC lawyer in a ghillie suit in the bushes across from your house right now. Arfcom has always been at war with KE Asia and the site resources ration is being increased to four posts a day. |
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Quoted: This, in a nutshell is our biggest failing and how society functions these days. It's about the bigger insult or the bigger hate title. Everyone is a racist, a nazi, a communist, or whatever flavor of the day is. Good discussion is hard to come by because someone becomes emotional and the insult competition begins. Karl showed he was not scared and I applaud him for jumping into the other thread, but then the flood gates opened on responses and insults, it got out of control. He took it all in stride and it pissed some folks off by not reacting emotionally. It was not fair to him to deal with that all those comments at once and it was not productive to any discussion in there. It does us no good to have him come in here only to be abused again. Lightning rods for problems only encourage more problems. This situation needs to calm down several notches and folks need to leave each other in peace. Maybe then we can have constructive conversations. He got EXACTLY what he wanted and we all know it. |
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Quoted: This, in a nutshell is our biggest failing and how society functions these days. It's about the bigger insult or the bigger hate title. Everyone is a racist, a nazi, a communist, or whatever flavor of the day is. Good discussion is hard to come by because someone becomes emotional and the insult competition begins. Karl showed he was not scared and I applaud him for jumping into the other thread, but then the flood gates opened on responses and insults, it got out of control. He took it all in stride and it pissed some folks off by not reacting emotionally. It was not fair to him to deal with that all those comments at once and it was not productive to any discussion in there. It does us no good to have him come in here only to be abused again. Lightning rods for problems only encourage more problems. This situation needs to calm down several notches and folks need to leave each other in peace. Maybe then we can have constructive conversations. Quoted: Quoted: I'm with ya, it was clear there were members lining up to be "the one" who gets to make the best insult. That's how GD works. This, in a nutshell is our biggest failing and how society functions these days. It's about the bigger insult or the bigger hate title. Everyone is a racist, a nazi, a communist, or whatever flavor of the day is. Good discussion is hard to come by because someone becomes emotional and the insult competition begins. Karl showed he was not scared and I applaud him for jumping into the other thread, but then the flood gates opened on responses and insults, it got out of control. He took it all in stride and it pissed some folks off by not reacting emotionally. It was not fair to him to deal with that all those comments at once and it was not productive to any discussion in there. It does us no good to have him come in here only to be abused again. Lightning rods for problems only encourage more problems. This situation needs to calm down several notches and folks need to leave each other in peace. Maybe then we can have constructive conversations. Unfortunately Karl is not remotely interested in constructive conversation. While the monkey pile on him doesn’t really lend itself to a good discussion, he showed zero signs of honest interaction, refused to answer simple fair questions and was insulting throughout. |
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Quoted: You say that now, but there’s probably an SPLC lawyer in a ghillie suit in the bushes across from your house right now. Arfcom has always been at war with KE Asia and the site resources ration is being increased to four posts a day. We have had attempts to de-platform us so many times I have lost count. That guy across the street is just trimming his bushes in style! |
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Quoted: That whole CavArms thing was stupid. IIRC we provided funding for their legal defense fund without being told the full story behind the ATF raiding CavArms. We essentially funded a lie. That's how I remember it. |
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Quoted: I do not argue that, but it wasn't him that caused the lock. I think I'm going to go and try to enjoy some of my Saturday or at least work on site stuff. I will check back in later. Quoted: Quoted: He got EXACTLY what he wanted and we all know it. I do not argue that, but it wasn't him that caused the lock. I think I'm going to go and try to enjoy some of my Saturday or at least work on site stuff. I will check back in later. Him recruiting his leg humpers from Twitter probably didn't hurt |
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Quoted: On that we disagree. He's not as smart as he thinks he is, but certainly smart enough to play gd like a fiddle... ?? Yea he did a rinse and repeat of what you see happen in pretty much every other Ukraine thread on this forum. He played the same old game we've seen within the guidelines of the CoC. The end result is the same ~40 page thread locked and discarded. |
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Quoted: Trying to stay out of this as much as possible. I do find it sad that one side is lighting torches and grabbing pitchforks and the other is not. With that said, I will again ask everyone here to not attack them and leave them in peace. We are not here to harm companies who are not our enemy and who believe in the 2A. Anyone who promotes an agenda like this will be warned or removed. They are entitled to their opinions and beliefs. It is the very core of what makes this country great. If you don't agree with them, then don't go to their pages! You posted this AFTER screenshots of these people talking about getting the SPLC after you and doing what they do. I'm not sure what you think the word "enemy" means but we probably are going to just have a gentleman's disagreement about what it means. |
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Quoted: You posted this AFTER screenshots of these people talking about getting the SPLC after you and doing what they do. I'm not sure what you think the word "enemy" means but we probably are going to just have a gentleman's disagreement about what it means. Attached File |
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Quoted: https://www.reddit.com/r/InRangeTV/comments/10tnrml/ar15com/ link left cold The Satanic, Commie, Child-groomer is big mad Lol and where better to cope and seethe than Reddit. Reddit is cancer Attached File |
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I just can't see Karl as the "good guy". This is what he said in an interview with "A better way 2A" "Karl: "With the firearms community, I don't see an alternative left, but as we grass roots grow groups everywhere working together, again with shared values, maybe not always shared beliefs, shared values will be where we can make a new space that is separate and distinct and different from the old and if we succeeded doing that well, the old one might become sort of defunct and we will become the new gun community." From "A better way 2A" youtube channel, this "helping camaraderie of non traditional gun rights advocates" they work with Attached File Notice inrange in there with the couple of JBGC's, SRA and Yellow Peril Tactical. And again, he is the one posting calling for the deaths of people who oppose "queer freedom". Attached File To have him and Russell lump everyone who uses this site as bigots, racists and threats to "marginalized" people was a low shot. No, if you have any personal convictions out of step with the latest leftist script, you rate death. To say that the Second Amendments is for everyone, without question, when I personally don't see it being used appropriately like this:  Or like this:  No, Karl and Russell seem to be fine with masked armed men engaging in intimidation and I can't agree with that. |
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The whole website might get SPLC'ed. Its kinda like getting "brownell'ed", but instead of losing the ability to post on arfcom, you lose the ability to have ad hosting, a payment processor, a website (at all), a youtube channel, or a relevant social media account anywhere except twitter (for now). |
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Quoted: Lol and where better to cope and seethe than Reddit. Reddit is cancer https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/132893/1669400725296449_jpg-2698136.JPG Hey, that image looks familiar. 
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Quoted: Cool. Then we can discard any posts you make in this one as uninformed. Clue: The guy said he'd never send his kids to a drag show or a Rated R movie Quoted: Quoted: 30 plus pages of fighting and arguing? No. Not my speed. Cool. Then we can discard any posts you make in this one as uninformed. Clue: The guy said he'd never send his kids to a drag show or a Rated R movie He also said he was completely fine with parents having strange gay men sexually groom their children. |