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Quoted: Thanks, I'm reading it to come up to speed on the brouhaha. Goatboy made a couple of posts and one included this statement: Brownells isn't our parent company, they are another company run entirely apart from us. Different leaders, structure, etc. Has there been a change in ARFCOM not previously discussed? Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Which page of the locked thread did Karl make his appearance? Thx 32 Thanks, I'm reading it to come up to speed on the brouhaha. Goatboy made a couple of posts and one included this statement: Brownells isn't our parent company, they are another company run entirely apart from us. Different leaders, structure, etc. Has there been a change in ARFCOM not previously discussed? |
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Quoted: Karl gets like $10 on every sale or something like that. Russell has posted elsewhere it is 5 percent. That may be a split between Karl and Ian, but each rifle would 80 bucks or so at 1700 bucks a rifle. I believe he mentioned sales of over 1k in rifles from Brownells. So there is some scratch out there. |
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Quoted: Thanks, I'm reading it to come up to speed on the brouhaha. Goatboy made a couple of posts and one included this statement: Brownells isn't our parent company, they are another company run entirely apart from us. Different leaders, structure, etc. Has there been a change in ARFCOM not previously discussed? Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Which page of the locked thread did Karl make his appearance? Thx 32 Thanks, I'm reading it to come up to speed on the brouhaha. Goatboy made a couple of posts and one included this statement: Brownells isn't our parent company, they are another company run entirely apart from us. Different leaders, structure, etc. Has there been a change in ARFCOM not previously discussed? And WOW - username @DrRob made his first post ever since joining almost 22 years ago! That's some necro account |
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Quoted: He keeps making the argument that Arfcom tried to argue against gun rights for gays. I read that thread, and don’t recall seeing anybody arguing that. Quoted: Quoted: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/520283/Screenshot_20230205-165833_png-2699913.JPGhttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/520283/Screenshot_20230205-165917_png-2699914.JPGhttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/520283/Screenshot_20230205-165938_png-2699916.JPG @raf Looks like Russell is in lockstep with Karl with that last comment. He keeps making the argument that Arfcom tried to argue against gun rights for gays. I read that thread, and don’t recall seeing anybody arguing that. Nor did anyone say *all* gays are groomers. It's a classic lefty tactic, criticize certain shitbags in a group and they accuse you of attacking the entire group. |
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Quoted: That YouTube debate is being won quite nicely by Russel. He strawmanned it into a LGBTQ argument and really it's a socialist revolutionary debate. |
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Quoted: Quoted: You're deliberately egging on people to get them to that point all while doing the very thing you claim to be a victim off. Knock it off and go somewhere else. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/45449/fmREDACT_JPG-2699794.JPG  Well done.
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Quoted: He didn't really do anything, except clarify that he was looking forward to working with Brownells. I don't want to get super speculative but that would make me think that he has his own ideas in mind, separate from the others. Maybe they had a falling out in private? Who knows? It would be smart for him to just leave it at that. I'm not personally interested in seeing or demanding a theatrical "He was my business partner! I can't believe he would act like that!" PR post. They never end up feeling genuine. Quoted: Quoted: I'm glad someone put up a screenshot before the edit. Sorry gun Jesus, you were busted. I'm sorry, but his edit was pretty major. It completely changed his message, without mentioning the previous one. It wasn't a minor clarification. He realized he fucked up by saying what he really thought. Then realized what he said was going to cost him money. |
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Quoted: He keeps making the argument that Arfcom tried to argue against gun rights for gays. I read that thread, and don’t recall seeing anybody arguing that. Quoted: Quoted: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/520283/Screenshot_20230205-165833_png-2699913.JPGhttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/520283/Screenshot_20230205-165917_png-2699914.JPGhttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/520283/Screenshot_20230205-165938_png-2699916.JPG @raf Looks like Russell is in lockstep with Karl with that last comment. He keeps making the argument that Arfcom tried to argue against gun rights for gays. I read that thread, and don’t recall seeing anybody arguing that. That's because people weren't arguing that. He's equating the belief that exposing children to drag shows is sexually exploitative, and those who do so are groomers/pedophiles, with the idea that all LGBT people support that behavior. |
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Quoted: I'd be curious to hear the answer on that. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Word is definitely spreading outside of this forum. I was contacted by friends last night who dont participate on AR15.com, they play on the AK Files for the most part....This has jumped the fence and is roaming elsewhere. Maybe I should log in to P&S and see if Matt is still supporting Karl. I'd be curious to hear the answer on that. I logged in and did a quick scan of threads, nothing to note of. I could probably go into my posting history and do a screen grab. Been awhile since I've had to use a vbulletin board. |
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Quoted: I'm sorry, but his edit was pretty major. It completely changed his message, without mentioning the previous one. It wasn't a minor clarification. He realized he fucked up by saying what he really thought. Then realized what he said was going to cost him money. |
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Quoted: I'm sorry, but his edit was pretty major. It completely changed his message, without mentioning the previous one. It wasn't a minor clarification. He realized he fucked up by saying what he really thought. Then realized what he said was going to cost him money. It doesn't change the message at all, before it could've been taken as either "It was good until Brownells became assholes", or "It was good until Karl started tarding-out". The edit clarifies his position, IMO. |
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Quoted: That's because people weren't arguing that. He's equating the belief that exposing children to drag shows is sexually exploitative, and those who do so are groomers/pedophiles, with the idea that all LGBT people support that behavior. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/520283/Screenshot_20230205-165833_png-2699913.JPGhttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/520283/Screenshot_20230205-165917_png-2699914.JPGhttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/520283/Screenshot_20230205-165938_png-2699916.JPG @raf Looks like Russell is in lockstep with Karl with that last comment. He keeps making the argument that Arfcom tried to argue against gun rights for gays. I read that thread, and don’t recall seeing anybody arguing that. That's because people weren't arguing that. He's equating the belief that exposing children to drag shows is sexually exploitative, and those who do so are groomers/pedophiles, with the idea that all LGBT people support that behavior. So he’s saying that all gays are pedophiles. But he’s mad because he thinks we think all gays are pedos * and pedophilia is bad. |
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Quoted: Well I hear he likes to clean up after his bull after the action so he might be cooming right now. *Not that there’s anything wrong with that. Sucks for Mr. Ian, he did nothing wrong but be a loyal participant in the deal. Hopefully he doesn’t get hurt too badly by this. I don’t know his political views and I don’t care to. He developed an idea with another party and then got shafted by association. I like gun Jesus and I don’t derive any satisfaction from seeing him get hurt. I bet you he's even got a commie flag Tacked up on the wall inside of his garage |
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Quoted: I just don't see what you see. He's probably bummed about it. I'd be bummed about it too, if I lost a deal because a business partner just couldn't help himself from going off. Quoted: Quoted: I'm sorry, but his edit was pretty major. It completely changed his message, without mentioning the previous one. It wasn't a minor clarification. He realized he fucked up by saying what he really thought. Then realized what he said was going to cost him money. My interpretation was that the edit was to express his desire to work with Brownells in the future. I’m not seeing the outrage either. I am glad I never bought from KE in the past. I almost did at one point because they are in Arizona. Glad I didn’t, they’ve shown their true colors. Our local sheriffs office SWAT team has all KE arms rifles. Next time I see one of those guys I’m totally making fun of them for having a groomer rifle. |
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Quoted: I don't think that's what the patch said. Maybe give a pic of the patch or quote it's text exactly. Attached File 
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Quoted: That's because people weren't arguing that. He's equating the belief that exposing children to drag shows is sexually exploitative, and those who do so are groomers/pedophiles, with the idea that all LGBT people support that behavior. It's funny because there are LGBTQ people on ARFCOM who are active in threads that discuss that stuff and they don't support kids at drag shows precisely because it's behavior that is designed to sexualize children. Meanwhile actual LGBTQ members of ARFCOM are engaged in trying to do good work and the only people who put them in peril are the ANTIFA crowd that has actively targeted people like eesmith because she's not willing to participate in their madness. |
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Quoted: So he’s saying that all gays are pedophiles. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/520283/Screenshot_20230205-165833_png-2699913.JPGhttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/520283/Screenshot_20230205-165917_png-2699914.JPGhttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/520283/Screenshot_20230205-165938_png-2699916.JPG @raf Looks like Russell is in lockstep with Karl with that last comment. He keeps making the argument that Arfcom tried to argue against gun rights for gays. I read that thread, and don’t recall seeing anybody arguing that. That's because people weren't arguing that. He's equating the belief that exposing children to drag shows is sexually exploitative, and those who do so are groomers/pedophiles, with the idea that all LGBT people support that behavior. So he’s saying that all gays are pedophiles. Its hilarious to me as well when those libs insult their entire base with these blanket assumptions, just like certain groups arent responsible enough to obtain a free government ID to vote, what is that called? The racism of low expectations. |
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Quoted: It doesn't change the message at all, before it could've been taken as either "It was good until Brownells became assholes", or "It was good until Karl started tarding-out". The edit clarifies his position, IMO. Quoted: Quoted: I'm sorry, but his edit was pretty major. It completely changed his message, without mentioning the previous one. It wasn't a minor clarification. He realized he fucked up by saying what he really thought. Then realized what he said was going to cost him money. It doesn't change the message at all, before it could've been taken as either "It was good until Brownells became assholes", or "It was good until Karl started tarding-out". The edit clarifies his position, IMO. Then he should have explained his edit, not memory-holed it. |
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Quoted: I just don't see what you see. He's probably bummed about it. I'd be bummed about it too, if I lost a deal because a business partner just couldn't help himself from going off. Quoted: Quoted: I'm sorry, but his edit was pretty major. It completely changed his message, without mentioning the previous one. It wasn't a minor clarification. He realized he fucked up by saying what he really thought. Then realized what he said was going to cost him money. Then he should have explained his edit, not memory-holed it. |
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Quoted: Its hilarious to me as well when those libs insult their entire base with these blanket assumptions, just like certain groups arent responsible enough to obtain a free government ID to vote, what is that called? The racism of low expectations. You can't be an ANTIFA type unless you believe you're one of the special ones who is going to save the world no matter how many skulls you have to crush to bring about your utopia. The answers to all of society's issues boil down to slogans shouted through a megaphone and anyone who even asks a question is to be violently attacked immediately because they are holding back "progress". So it's OK to try and brain a gay Asian man with a concrete "milkshake" because he's daring to film things you don't want filmed lest the public figure out what you're really about. But it's OK when you do all this shit because, you know, "progress". Solidarity! If you have a problem with organizing sexual displays targeted at literal children you hate LGBTQ people and you're the enemy and you don't believe in equal rights! Fuck all that noise. |
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Quoted: You're not the Boss of me. I'm not "egging" anyone, just stating my personal opinions. If you feel "threatened" then retreat to your "safe space". It's quoted right here. And by your own definition that's a personal attack then you squeal victim and the cycle continues. That's pretty pathetic behavior for an adult. 
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Quoted: I bet you he's even got a commie flag Tacked up on the wall inside of his garage Quoted: Quoted: Well I hear he likes to clean up after his bull after the action so he might be cooming right now. *Not that there’s anything wrong with that. Sucks for Mr. Ian, he did nothing wrong but be a loyal participant in the deal. Hopefully he doesn’t get hurt too badly by this. I don’t know his political views and I don’t care to. He developed an idea with another party and then got shafted by association. I like gun Jesus and I don’t derive any satisfaction from seeing him get hurt. I bet you he's even got a commie flag Tacked up on the wall inside of his garage I’m a faithfull follower of Brother John Burch And I belong to the Antioch Baptist Church And I ain't even got a garage you can call home and ask my wife |
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Happy to hear Brownells is taking action on this. I have no idea what this guy thought was going to happen prancing off to Reddit so he could call everyone on this website a domestic terrorist lol Gun Jesus needs to mature to the point he quits affiliating himself with emo degenerates whom have questionable friends and even more questionable Hitler hairstyles. This is why I continue to renew my membership to this forum 15+ years later and also why I won't ever watch another episode of Forgotten Weapons knowing what his crew actually thinks of the 2A community. |
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Quoted: Happy to hear Brownells is taking action on this. I have no idea what this guy thought was going to happen prancing off to Reddit so he could call everyone on this website a domestic terrorist lol Gun Jesus needs to mature to the point he quits affiliating himself with emo degenerates whom have questionable friends and even more questionable Hitler hairstyles. This is why I continue to renew my membership to this forum 15+ years later and also why I won't ever watch another episode of Forgotten Weapons knowing what his crew actually thinks of the 2A community. I haven't renewed (in big part) due to the IRTV sponsorship. My wallet might do some voting here very directly. I'm glad the people in this thread were able to put some disinfectant out. |
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Quoted: And it seems so far everyone is assuming Brownells cut ties, it could be that it was Karl/KE that decided to cut ties. 
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Quoted: And it seems so far everyone is assuming Brownells cut ties, it could be that it was Karl/KE that decided to cut ties. Doubtful. More likely Brownells got into contact with him after the last thread popped off and, after they indicated the partnership would be ended, he decided to flame out on here. That's probably also why he reached out to his supporters to email Brownells about their support for him. Turns out pinkos who hate capitalism are poor as fuck and don't spend money at Brownells. |
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Quoted: And it seems so far everyone is assuming Brownells cut ties, it could be that it was Karl/KE that decided to cut ties. Attached File |
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Quoted: I considered that, but why would brownells be compelled to have a liquidation sale then? I would just keep it full price until I sold out of stock. If they wanted to very quickly get them off the books, but it's all just speculation. Brownell's is into all of this to make money. If they sense that they will lose more business than they gain from the association, they will move quick. I won't give them too much credit for being altruistic though. I'm sure it will be a data driven, financial decision. |
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Quoted: I haven't renewed (in big part) due to the IRTV sponsorship. My wallet might do some voting here very directly. I'm glad the people in this thread were able to put some disinfectant out. Every once in a while they do something that rubs me the wrong way (when they made a certain Jack Booted Thug a mod lol) and I'll hold out on buying a membership. That's pretty far and few between. I always end up coughing up some bucks 
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Quoted: Thanks, I'm reading it to come up to speed on the brouhaha. Goatboy made a couple of posts and one included this statement: Brownells isn't our parent company, they are another company run entirely apart from us. Different leaders, structure, etc. Has there been a change in ARFCOM not previously discussed? Brownells isn't ARF's parent company; because the Brownells marketing team etc; don't run the show here Pete BROWNELL runs the show here. He's the owner of that VC group that calls the shots. ARF likely has it's own leadership, but works in partnership with brownells (let's call it a sister company) to make a product. |
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Quoted: Interesting edit has happened https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/520283/Screenshot_20230205-165156_png-2699898.JPG "Sorry my partner was an idiot, Brownells. We had a good thing going. Let's try again sometime" |
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Quoted: If they wanted to very quickly get them off the books, but it's all just speculation. Brownell's is into all of this to make money. If they sense that they will lose more business than they gain from the association, they will move quick. I won't give them too much credit for being altruistic though. I'm sure it will be a data driven, financial decision. They would be nuts to keep doing business with him after this. His social media is radioactive. Attached File |
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Quoted: He keeps making the argument that Arfcom tried to argue against gun rights for gays. I read that thread, and don't recall seeing anybody arguing that. That's his strawman for "death to those who stand in the way of freedom for queer people". We don't care about queer people. We care about what you define as "standing in the way". |
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Quoted: If Brownell’s really wants to send a based message, they should throw the items in a wood chipper and video it. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Well fuck, Forgotten weapons just posted on YouTube that Brownells is having a sale on all WWSD stuff. I really like Ian and his channel, but this just seems like a slap on the face. Coincidence? I think not. Maybe Brownells is ending the relationship and doing a flash sale to purge. Maybe I am wrong. If Brownell’s really wants to send a based message, they should throw the items in a wood chipper and video it. 
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Quoted: Friend on a Discord channel just mentioned the WWSD sale at Brownells and that he just bought one. I give him the TL;DR: version of the kerfuffle. His response made me chuckle: Quoted: Friend on a Discord channel just mentioned the WWSD sale at Brownells and that he just bought one. I give him the TL;DR: version of the kerfuffle. His response made me chuckle: Ok cool so we cancelled a commie and I got a good deal out of it Lol |