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Posted: 4/14/2021 4:10:08 PM EDT
[#1]
I can't imagine the poor pr this would bring any agency or company not willing to help in this. They can't want that kind of attention?
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Posted: 4/14/2021 4:11:08 PM EDT
[#2]
lots of times stone makers make mistakes/misprints and sell them as rubble. would be nice if they broke them up first.
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Posted: 4/14/2021 4:11:30 PM EDT
[#3]
Veterans' Administration. Don't they manage graves?
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Posted: 4/14/2021 4:11:37 PM EDT
[#4]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Op definitely did the right thing. Fuckin' right he did. Good job for doing your due diligence, OP. Fuck anybody who says otherwise. |
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Posted: 4/14/2021 4:12:12 PM EDT
[#5]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This is a copy of Charlie J. Lemons' original tombstone application with the cemetery location. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/49984/40050_2421406274_0419-02540-1904765.jpg Good find. Cemetary has no online record of him , but it does say not all records are online. https://southviewcemetery.com/burial-search/ |
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Posted: 4/14/2021 4:12:23 PM EDT
[#6]
Probably White Straight Christian Domestic Insurrectionists so no one cares.
There are surprisingly few laws in many areas regarding old cemeteries. A neighbor witnessed an entire cemetery of my relatives being bulldozed into a creek to make way for a subdivision. He was able to salvage many of the headstones but there were no repercussions for the property developer. Just dead Scots-Irish being pushed into a creek. |
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Posted: 4/14/2021 4:13:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Your Charlie J Lemmons is buried in the Southside Cemetery in Atlanta, GA. Is it odd he was enlisted for only 2 months and 10 days? |
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Posted: 4/14/2021 4:14:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Probably White Straight Christian Domestic Insurrectionists so no one cares. There are surprisingly few laws in many areas regarding old cemeteries. A neighbor witnessed an entire cemetery of my relatives being bulldozed into a creek to make way for a subdivision. He was able to salvage many of the headstones but there were no repercussions for the property developer. Just dead Scots-Irish being pushed into a creek. If you are referring to Charlie, he was a black man. |
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Posted: 4/14/2021 4:17:25 PM EDT
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Charlie Lemons' draft card.
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Posted: 4/14/2021 4:17:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Veterans' Administration. Don't they manage graves? Department of Veterans Affairs -- National Cemetery Administration |
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Posted: 4/14/2021 4:18:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Is it odd he was enlisted for only 2 months and 10 days? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Your Charlie J Lemmons is buried in the Southside Cemetery in Atlanta, GA. Is it odd he was enlisted for only 2 months and 10 days? he enlisted a month before the end of the war and was discharged 1 month after the war ended. Back then after the war was over, just about everybody was kicked out. |
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Posted: 4/14/2021 4:21:22 PM EDT
[#12]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This is a copy of Charlie J. Lemons' original tombstone application with the cemetery location. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/49984/40050_2421406274_0419-02540-1904765.jpg  The internet is amazing. |
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Posted: 4/14/2021 4:21:51 PM EDT
[#13]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Probably White Straight Christian Domestic Insurrectionists so no one cares. There are surprisingly few laws in many areas regarding old cemeteries. A neighbor witnessed an entire cemetery of my relatives being bulldozed into a creek to make way for a subdivision. He was able to salvage many of the headstones but there were no repercussions for the property developer. Just dead Scots-Irish being pushed into a creek. "Race: African"  That's some bullshit about your family's cemetery. I would've been piiiiiissed. |
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Posted: 4/14/2021 4:23:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Come to think of it I haven't seen him post in a while either. It's cool that we look out for one another. I don't have much family that will care if I disappear, this place is my family.  @zukguy |
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Posted: 4/14/2021 4:23:54 PM EDT
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Comparing the Application For Headstone posted on page 3 and the actual headstone posted on page 1, all the information on the headstone matches the information on the application, so it doesn't appear that the info on the headstone has any typos from the application
Could be there was a second application because the first one had a typo but this headstone matches this application for a Headstone, so less chance of a typo and discarded headstone. 
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Posted: 4/14/2021 4:24:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Came for the necrophilia. I know that it's GD, but how about some Respect for what may be the final resting place of a WWI and a WWII Veteran? |
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Posted: 4/14/2021 4:24:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Is it odd he was enlisted for only 2 months and 10 days? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Your Charlie J Lemmons is buried in the Southside Cemetery in Atlanta, GA. Is it odd he was enlisted for only 2 months and 10 days? Not really. I've come across quite a few WW1 veterans with really short enlistment periods. |
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Posted: 4/14/2021 4:25:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If you are referring to Charlie, he was a black man. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Probably White Straight Christian Domestic Insurrectionists so no one cares. There are surprisingly few laws in many areas regarding old cemeteries. A neighbor witnessed an entire cemetery of my relatives being bulldozed into a creek to make way for a subdivision. He was able to salvage many of the headstones but there were no repercussions for the property developer. Just dead Scots-Irish being pushed into a creek. If you are referring to Charlie, he was a black man. Both are black males. |
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Posted: 4/14/2021 4:25:27 PM EDT
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Last year they were digging a new water line for a house and found a skeleton. Turned out that the homeowners yard was the original cemetery for Cheyenne when it was first founded as a railroad town. As the town grew they didn't want the graves there anymore and was supposed to have moved them all so they could build houses there. Ended up they missed at least one.
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Posted: 4/14/2021 4:25:41 PM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This is a copy of Charlie J. Lemons' original tombstone application with the cemetery location. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/49984/40050_2421406274_0419-02540-1904765.jpg |
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Posted: 4/14/2021 4:26:13 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Dude, you're a nail gun. Anybody who has ever framed a house knows how to spell your name.  |
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Posted: 4/14/2021 4:26:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I wouldn't be surprised if they halt any construction on that site. That's what they do to farmers here that find a bone, come in and take over the land for extended periods and sometimes permanent, that practice has a lot of bones around as souvenirs instead of historical bits. They screw themselves by having GPR then double checking by hand/shovel. No compensation, so that teaches people to ignore what they find. |
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Posted: 4/14/2021 4:31:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: General contractor got pissed we contacted National Cemetary (which is sending a guy out in morning)... wanted to just deal with COA. Scared of getting job shutdown.... So what if there are graves under those headstones? You just can't start digging them up. |
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Posted: 4/14/2021 4:31:50 PM EDT
[#24]
Arlington National Cemetery will occasionally have damaged or incorrect or weathered gravestones that will get replaced
they have a boneyard of old, replaced headstones that have been known to show up as pavers in Arlington backyard patios Sometimes the new homeowners turn over the pavers and get a bit of a shock |
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Posted: 4/14/2021 4:35:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Last year they were digging a new water line for a house and found a skeleton. Turned out that the homeowners yard was the original cemetery for Cheyenne when it was first founded as a railroad town. As the town grew they didn't want the graves there anymore and was supposed to have moved them all so they could build houses there. Ended up they missed at least one. I would imagine there are a lot of unmarked graves around the country. Some of the old timers here talk about people just getting buried on the farm or in a field with no markers. Unless someone unearths them,no one knows. |
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Posted: 4/14/2021 4:35:52 PM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They are supposed to be destroyed if they are discarded or replaced. That is what I was thinking. If there was a church there at one time, well... |
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Posted: 4/14/2021 4:36:16 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Christ on a crutch the hive mind is fucking real and omnipotent.............. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: This is a copy of Charlie J. Lemons' original tombstone application with the cemetery location. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/49984/40050_2421406274_0419-02540-1904765.jpg The application also specified upright marble. Didn't they change out all the marble ones for granite at some point because the marble eroded from weather over time? |
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Posted: 4/14/2021 4:38:18 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This is a copy of Charlie J. Lemons' original tombstone application with the cemetery location. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/49984/40050_2421406274_0419-02540-1904765.jpg He enlisted less than a month before the armistice and was discharged only a month after it, I’d be interested to know the circumstances of that, were troops typically discharged at the end of hostilities? |
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Posted: 4/14/2021 4:38:28 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If there is a graveyard, digging needs to stop. This is big deal if someone tries to hide it. Will make the news, guaranteed. HA, they were WWI and WWII soldiers and not the right 'persuasion'. The MSM will say they deserved it and were mostly likely racists anyways. |
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Posted: 4/14/2021 4:40:27 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: He enlisted less than a month before the armistice and was discharged only a month after it, I’d be interested to know the circumstances of that, we’re troops typically discharged at the end of hostilities? War ended. |
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Posted: 4/14/2021 4:41:52 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So what if there are graves under those headstones? You just can't start digging them up. Well, you can.. it's just not right. |
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Posted: 4/14/2021 4:44:00 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Great. Now they are going to haunt you. He did nothing wrong, or disrespectful. No bad juju will come of this. |
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Posted: 4/14/2021 4:45:51 PM EDT
[#33]
Well now that's interesting.
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Posted: 4/14/2021 4:48:02 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/14/2021 4:49:17 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: He did nothing wrong, or disrespectful. No bad juju will come of this. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Great. Now they are going to haunt you. He did nothing wrong, or disrespectful. No bad juju will come of this. Leave them some tobacco as an offering, OP should be alright with them with that small gesture. *of course, they could be like that one malevolent phantom in the subway in ‘Ghost’, lamenting the taste of ‘just one drag...’* |
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Posted: 4/14/2021 4:57:32 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: He enlisted less than a month before the armistice and was discharged only a month after it, I’d be interested to know the circumstances of that, were troops typically discharged at the end of hostilities? War was over, men were needed back on the home front. |
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Posted: 4/14/2021 4:58:11 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Not really. I've come across quite a few WW1 veterans with really short enlistment periods. My neighbors kid enlisted for desert storm and was allowed to drop out when the war was over in three days. He was back home in 3 months (but entry level separation, not an honorable). Ended up going to college/rotc and served 23 years |
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Posted: 4/14/2021 5:03:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Any obvious typos or mistakes? They could just be dumped there. For many years, if there was a mistake on a government provided grave market the government would reissue the stone. The old one was not returned, and could be trashed, or ground down for other uses - a step for example, or reused for another decedent not entitled to a VA stone. |
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Posted: 4/14/2021 5:05:38 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: lots of times stone makers make mistakes/misprints and sell them as rubble. would be nice if they broke them up first. Or cut a very purposeful X or other mark on the face so it's obvious the stone is intentionally defaced and not removed from an active grave. Kharn |
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Posted: 4/14/2021 5:05:45 PM EDT
[#40]
What someone did to desecrate that graveyard is wrong on many levels.
I would call: - all the local press you can (send photos) and, - send photos to all the local VFWs and ask them to call the local press |
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Posted: 4/14/2021 5:12:27 PM EDT
[#41]
I read in a book once that after the Civil War it was not uncommon for veterans cemeteries to be desecrated by the other side.
ETA: It was The Good Death and the Civil War by John Sabol. |
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Posted: 4/14/2021 5:21:23 PM EDT
[#42]
You digging near Southview in Lakewood, OP?
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Posted: 4/14/2021 5:23:12 PM EDT
[#43]
Hollywood... New fire station 22
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Posted: 4/14/2021 5:28:04 PM EDT
[#44]
Tagging this one.
Pretty sure we will see it on the news at some point. |
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Posted: 4/14/2021 5:36:19 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Hollywood... New fire station 22 That's a ways from where it was to be delivered, it seems. The pic with the receipt of the tombstone said Southview. That's over in Lakewood. Your digging over near Hollywood and Bankhead. Mildred is over by Mercedes Stadium, I think. |
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Posted: 4/14/2021 5:38:31 PM EDT
[#46]
Disregard
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Posted: 4/14/2021 5:50:35 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Why not just call the cops. They'll contact coroner who will make determination. Cause of death will surely be COVID. |
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Posted: 4/14/2021 5:53:07 PM EDT
[#48]
This has happened before. Some veteran tombstones had errors or were damage and were discarded and not destroyed.
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Posted: 4/14/2021 6:05:29 PM EDT
[#49]
Good on you for stopping op. Get the media involved.
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Posted: 4/14/2021 6:05:48 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I would imagine there are a lot of unmarked graves around the country. Some of the old timers here talk about people just getting buried on the farm or in a field with no markers. Unless someone unearths them,no one knows. Yes Sir, I read where they estimate there are 20,000 unmarked graves on the Oregon Trail in Wyoming. That's crazy to think that 20,000 people died on the trek West through the State. 50,000 people total died from St. Louis to Oregon. Here in Wyoming people occasionally find unmarked graves from that era. |
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