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5/16/2017 5:35:06 PM EDT
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I bought one thing from them because they were the only place with stock.

I'll consider not buying anything else.

Also, a Spartan Lower without a Spartan logo is just a lower. Don't call it a Spartan Lower blemish...
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I wonder if they were using the word spartan literally...
5/16/2017 5:39:14 PM EDT
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If this is a barrel, handguard, anything other than a lower I get it.  But op had to take delivery from an FFL, he gets to inspect it before the transfer.  I want to be sympathetic but I just can't.  

I had a problem with an order from JBO and they bent over backwards to help.  Dunno this is a hard one, but could have been avoided by just not accepting the lower.  
5/16/2017 5:39:19 PM EDT
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I would rather have a blank lower anyway.  That spartan logo gives my eyes aids.
5/16/2017 5:39:21 PM EDT
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The good ol' disappearing act LMAO

Want to buy this "blemished" Rolex without a Rolex logo?
5/16/2017 5:40:51 PM EDT
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This is some juicy drama!

BRB, gotta go feed my neighbor's rare hornless unicorns.
5/16/2017 5:41:40 PM EDT
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Screenshot of email.
5/16/2017 5:42:06 PM EDT
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Some people on this site truly lack critical thinking skills


JB false advertised.  A Spartan lower w/o the Spartan logo is just a regular ML-15 lower.

The customer was an idiot for not rejecting them before accepting the transfer.

Plenty of blame to go around, but this is currently a buyer's market and the internet has a long memory- joe bob dun fucked this one up.
5/16/2017 5:43:19 PM EDT
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If this is a barrel, handguard, anything other than a lower I get it.  But op had to take delivery from an FFL, he gets to inspect it before the transfer.  I want to be sympathetic but I just can't.  

I had a problem with an order from JBO and they bent over backwards to help.  Dunno this is a hard one, but could have been avoided by just not accepting the lower.  
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The fact that he shouldn't have accepted it isn't in contention.  It's the threat of the Arock that's chapping everybody's ass.
5/16/2017 5:43:24 PM EDT
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And what in the hell was joebob trying to attempt by communicating that information?  It was absolutely a thinly veiled threat.
5/16/2017 5:45:14 PM EDT
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Lol at this and the other car examples.  It's a roll mark, so it's more like getting a Lamborghini where the badge fell off.  I used to debadge my cars anyway because I thought badges looked like shit (and I order range tool lowers with no roll mark), but to each his own.
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Except for the roll mark (badge) there is no distinction between the two products, based on the seller's own description.
Therefore my Blem Lamborghini that closely resembles a Ford F-150 (and is within spec and functional) is equally acceptable!
Pay up.
Lemme know where you want it sent.
PS. No returns. It's a Blem
5/16/2017 5:45:44 PM EDT
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So is JoeBob's on Arf's shitlist now too?  I need to know, I'm looking to get some Troy battlesights and don't want to go to CheaperThanDirt...
5/16/2017 5:49:45 PM EDT
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So is JoeBob's on Arf's shitlist now too?  I need to know, I'm looking to get some Troy battlesights and don't want to go to CheaperThanDirt...
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Well so long as you don't email them from work...
5/16/2017 5:50:52 PM EDT
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Boom! Headshot!
5/16/2017 5:51:09 PM EDT
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Some people on this site truly lack critical thinking skills


JB false advertised.  A Spartan lower w/o the Spartan logo is just a regular ML-15 lower.

The customer was an idiot for not rejecting them before accepting the transfer.

Plenty of blame to go around, but this is currently a buyer's market and the internet has a long memory- joe bob dun fucked this one up.
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Most people seem to agree they screwed the pooch, and their actions are inexcusable.
But they've been locked out of ARFCOM since 4/2/2017 
5/16/2017 5:53:03 PM EDT
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sounds like some shit a guy who ran a company named "joe bob" would do

He should knock up one of his eight sister-cousins. Tammy-lynn Marie, or whichever one is both pregnant and has all her teeth.
5/16/2017 5:53:27 PM EDT
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Most people seem to agree they screwed the pooch, and their actions are inexcusable.
But they've been locked out of ARFCOM since 4/2/2017 
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Some people on this site truly lack critical thinking skills


JB false advertised.  A Spartan lower w/o the Spartan logo is just a regular ML-15 lower.

The customer was an idiot for not rejecting them before accepting the transfer.

Plenty of blame to go around, but this is currently a buyer's market and the internet has a long memory- joe bob dun fucked this one up.
Most people seem to agree they screwed the pooch, and their actions are inexcusable.
But they've been locked out of ARFCOM since 4/2/2017 
Any way we can suspend that for this thread?

Give them a platform to defend themselves.
5/16/2017 5:53:32 PM EDT
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LULZ this is a great lesson in what not to do
I deal with stuff like this all the time

We have eaten way more because of way less , just for the express purpose of avoiding people going scorched earth across the internet like this

1 The lower should never been represented/listed/mentioned/implied/etc as a spartan lower with no logo ( changing the description about logos after the fact confirms this )
2 it is a blem and as such the customer should have just said meh I'll keep it
3 Jobob should have said meh ( yeah customer is probably wrong , but we also are probably wrong ) OK we'll take it back and pay shipping ( changing the description about logos after the fact confirms this )
4 sending an email full of Jr PI internet personal info is a threat pure and simple
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This. Fuckin stupid all the way around.

Still, it isn't kosher to sell a engraved henry .44 mag as "as is, may not actually be engraved".
5/16/2017 5:53:37 PM EDT
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Most people seem to agree they screwed the pooch, and their actions are inexcusable.
But they've been locked out of ARFCOM since 4/2/2017 
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Some people on this site truly lack critical thinking skills


JB false advertised.  A Spartan lower w/o the Spartan logo is just a regular ML-15 lower.

The customer was an idiot for not rejecting them before accepting the transfer.

Plenty of blame to go around, but this is currently a buyer's market and the internet has a long memory- joe bob dun fucked this one up.
Most people seem to agree they screwed the pooch, and their actions are inexcusable.
But they've been locked out of ARFCOM since 4/2/2017 
For advertising issues?
5/16/2017 5:55:00 PM EDT
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Any way we can suspend that for this thread?

Give them a platform to defend themselves.
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I think that's a great idea. One sided dogpile isn't the best way to resolve issues, and better than back and forth across platforms.
5/16/2017 5:55:20 PM EDT
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LOL such a shit storm over a logo on a 100 buck lower receiver.

I see JoeBob's still lists them as having the logo too.

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Except for the roll mark (badge) there is no distinction between the two products, based on the seller's own description.
Therefore my Blem Lamborghini that closely resembles a Ford F-150 (and is within spec and functional) is equally acceptable!
Pay up.
Lemme know where you want it sent.
PS. No returns. It's a Blem
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That's not a very good argument.
5/16/2017 5:56:12 PM EDT
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Wow. Fuck that guy. What a nut.

Joseph, you screwed the pooch on this one.
5/16/2017 5:56:32 PM EDT
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Thank you.

This tells me everything I need to know. I haven't ever ordered from JBO and I never will now.



FJBO
5/16/2017 5:57:13 PM EDT
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Any way we can suspend that for this thread?

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Some people on this site truly lack critical thinking skills


JB false advertised.  A Spartan lower w/o the Spartan logo is just a regular ML-15 lower.

The customer was an idiot for not rejecting them before accepting the transfer.

Plenty of blame to go around, but this is currently a buyer's market and the internet has a long memory- joe bob dun fucked this one up.
Most people seem to agree they screwed the pooch, and their actions are inexcusable.
But they've been locked out of ARFCOM since 4/2/2017 
Any way we can suspend that for this thread?

Give them a platform to defend themselves.
I don't know. Kinda doubt it, but....   @Striker 
5/16/2017 5:57:42 PM EDT
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Well now I feel bad. I've been reading that thread and your friend is acting like a bitch.

They offered to replace it for store credit, but that wasn't good enough for dude.

Does your friend have financial problems?
5/16/2017 5:57:49 PM EDT
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5/16/2017 5:57:56 PM EDT
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LOL such a shit storm over a logo on a 100 buck lower receiver.

I see JoeBob's still lists them as having the logo too.



That's not a very good argument.
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Agreed, that's why JBO should have admitted that the ad wasn't very clear, offered to exchange for Moron Labia Lowers, fixed the product page, and none of us would have ever heard that this was an issue.

Best foot forward, and all that jazz.
5/16/2017 5:57:58 PM EDT
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LOL fucking great. What a bunch of dicks.
5/16/2017 5:58:08 PM EDT
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Wow! I used to love those guys, but that is a line that was crossed. Maybe not direct AROCKING, but close enough to tell them to go to hell. Joe Bobs, you have lost my business. Not because of the lower, but because of that email
5/16/2017 5:58:22 PM EDT
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I don't know. Kinda doubt it, but....   @Striker 
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Some people on this site truly lack critical thinking skills


JB false advertised.  A Spartan lower w/o the Spartan logo is just a regular ML-15 lower.

The customer was an idiot for not rejecting them before accepting the transfer.

Plenty of blame to go around, but this is currently a buyer's market and the internet has a long memory- joe bob dun fucked this one up.
Most people seem to agree they screwed the pooch, and their actions are inexcusable.
But they've been locked out of ARFCOM since 4/2/2017 
Any way we can suspend that for this thread?

Give them a platform to defend themselves.
I don't know. Kinda doubt it, but....   @Striker 
5/16/2017 5:59:00 PM EDT
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Well now I feel bad. I've been reading that thread and your friend is acting like a bitch.

They offered to replace it for store credit, but that wasn't good enough for dude.

Does your friend have financial problems?
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"Take our store credit or we will dox you!"
5/16/2017 5:59:16 PM EDT
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Except for the roll mark (badge) there is no distinction between the two products, based on the seller's own description.
Therefore my Blem Lamborghini that closely resembles a Ford F-150 (and is within spec and functional) is equally acceptable!
Pay up.
Lemme know where you want it sent.
PS. No returns. It's a Blem
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Lol at this and the other car examples.  It's a roll mark, so it's more like getting a Lamborghini where the badge fell off.  I used to debadge my cars anyway because I thought badges looked like shit (and I order range tool lowers with no roll mark), but to each his own.
Except for the roll mark (badge) there is no distinction between the two products, based on the seller's own description.
Therefore my Blem Lamborghini that closely resembles a Ford F-150 (and is within spec and functional) is equally acceptable!
Pay up.
Lemme know where you want it sent.
PS. No returns. It's a Blem
If you send me a F150 that functions exactly the same in every way (design, speed, performance, interior fitout) as a new Lamborghini for the price of a F150, sold.  You'd be a fool not to take that.  I'll have someone else put the badges on if I'm vain enough to care that everyone knows it's a Lamborghini.  Or I'll just stick a fake badge on my keychain like all the other posers.  

This is a problem with our society.  No one cares about function, as long as they can impress the Jones with the rollmark.
5/16/2017 6:00:40 PM EDT
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Agreed, that's why JBO should have admitted that the ad wasn't very clear, offered to exchange for Moron Labia Lowers, fixed the product page, and none of us would have ever heard that this was an issue.

Best foot forward, and all that jazz.
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The first thing they did was offer to accept the return of an "as is" lower that was received from the buyers FFL and provide in store credit.

It was the OP's friend that declined that and created this shit storm.

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5/16/2017 6:00:48 PM EDT
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Anyone got an approximate revenue loss from this thread alone at JBO?

I'd say $3200 so far...
5/16/2017 6:00:53 PM EDT
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If you send me a F150 that functions exactly the same in every way (design, speed, performance, interior fitout) as a new Lamborghini for the price of a F150, sold.  You'd be a fool not to take that.  I'll have someone else put the badges on if I'm vain enough to care that everyone knows it's a Lamborghini.  Or I'll just stick a fake badge on my keychain like all the other posers.  

This is a problem with our society.  No one cares about function, as long as they can impress the Jones with the rollmark.
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Regardless of how awful spartan shit is, dude ordered a spartan lower.

Fulfill the expectations you establish, that's more of a problem these days.
5/16/2017 6:01:50 PM EDT
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If you send me a F150 that functions exactly the same in every way (design, speed, performance, interior fitout) as a new Lamborghini for the price of a F150, sold.  You'd be a fool not to take that.  I'll have someone else put the badges on if I'm vain enough to care that everyone knows it's a Lamborghini.  Or I'll just stick a fake badge on my keychain like all the other posers.  

This is a problem with our society.  No one cares about function, as long as they can impress the Jones with the rollmark.
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How about you come buy my blem Stage 1 Roush mustang?  It's just a GT without the Roushiness.
5/16/2017 6:02:11 PM EDT
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I don't know. Kinda doubt it, but....   @Striker 
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Some people on this site truly lack critical thinking skills


JB false advertised.  A Spartan lower w/o the Spartan logo is just a regular ML-15 lower.

The customer was an idiot for not rejecting them before accepting the transfer.

Plenty of blame to go around, but this is currently a buyer's market and the internet has a long memory- joe bob dun fucked this one up.
Most people seem to agree they screwed the pooch, and their actions are inexcusable.
But they've been locked out of ARFCOM since 4/2/2017 
Any way we can suspend that for this thread?

Give them a platform to defend themselves.
I don't know. Kinda doubt it, but....   @Striker 
The Black Eyed Peas - Let's Get It Started
5/16/2017 6:02:56 PM EDT
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The first thing they did was offer to accept the return of an "as is" lower that was received from the buyers FFL and provide in store credit.

It was the OP's friend that declined that and created this shit storm.

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Agreed, that's why JBO should have admitted that the ad wasn't very clear, offered to exchange for Moron Labia Lowers, fixed the product page, and none of us would have ever heard that this was an issue.

Best foot forward, and all that jazz.
The first thing they did was offer to accept the return of an "as is" lower that was received from the buyers FFL and provide in store credit.

It was the OP's friend that declined that and created this shit storm.

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I don't know if you were trying, but this is hilarious.
5/16/2017 6:03:19 PM EDT
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 Dumb move on JoeBob if that is legit.
5/16/2017 6:03:30 PM EDT
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Regardless of how awful spartan shit is, dude ordered a spartan lower.

Fulfill the expectations you establish, that's more of a problem these days.
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You should have no expectations with a blemished product other than the fact that it is 100% functioning.
5/16/2017 6:04:52 PM EDT
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You should have no expectations with a blemished product other than the fact that it is 100% functioning.
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So are all lowers equal?
5/16/2017 6:05:09 PM EDT
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Well now I feel bad. I've been reading that thread and your friend is acting like a bitch.

They offered to replace it for store credit, but that wasn't good enough for dude.

Does your friend have financial problems?
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That's another thing too.  Fuck store credit.  

The business is shit, ran by a psycho.

I give real money for a product, product isn't what I bought. It's literally not what I ordered, I have to fight to get it returned while some psycho threatens me. Then I'm forced to use store credit?  Why?
5/16/2017 6:05:19 PM EDT
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Any way we can suspend that for this thread?

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JB false advertised.  A Spartan lower w/o the Spartan logo is just a regular ML-15 lower.

The customer was an idiot for not rejecting them before accepting the transfer.

Plenty of blame to go around, but this is currently a buyer's market and the internet has a long memory- joe bob dun fucked this one up.
Most people seem to agree they screwed the pooch, and their actions are inexcusable.
But they've been locked out of ARFCOM since 4/2/2017 
Any way we can suspend that for this thread?

Give them a platform to defend themselves.
monica
5/16/2017 6:06:12 PM EDT
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"Take our store credit or we will dox you!"
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Well now I feel bad. I've been reading that thread and your friend is acting like a bitch.

They offered to replace it for store credit, but that wasn't good enough for dude.

Does your friend have financial problems?
"Take our store credit or we will dox you!"
Okay I didn't see that part at OPs link.

Damn thats a ballsy move.
5/16/2017 6:06:40 PM EDT
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JBO currently sells THREE different Spike's lower BLEMISHED receivers. All have different markings.

If I order the ZOMBIE blem lower and it arrived as a SPIDER blem lower, then I didn't get what the fuck I ordered in spite of the fact they are the exact same lower in every other function/way.
5/16/2017 6:07:48 PM EDT
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That's another thing too.  Fuck store credit.  

The business is shit, ran by a psycho.

I give real money for a product, product isn't what I bought. It's literally not what I ordered, I have to fight to get it returned while some psycho threatens me. Then I'm forced to use store credit?  Why?
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Well now I feel bad. I've been reading that thread and your friend is acting like a bitch.

They offered to replace it for store credit, but that wasn't good enough for dude.

Does your friend have financial problems?
That's another thing too.  Fuck store credit.  

The business is shit, ran by a psycho.

I give real money for a product, product isn't what I bought. It's literally not what I ordered, I have to fight to get it returned while some psycho threatens me. Then I'm forced to use store credit?  Why?
At the end of OPs linked six page thread, someone capped a description of a cheaper lower on jo bobs that reads "its the same thing as the spartan lower, without the helmet engraving"

Rofl.

Back on team OP. Nuke them hillbillies.
5/16/2017 6:09:29 PM EDT
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So are all lowers equal?
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Obviously not. But if it came from the Spartan Lower production line then it's a Spartan Lower in their eyes and on their books.
5/16/2017 6:11:39 PM EDT
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Would you mind posting in the thread as I'm currently locked out of my account.

The OP in the arfcom thread stated that we threatened to go to his boss,
which is a lie. Ask him to provide proof of said statement if you could.
I'd appreciate it.
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It's posted.  I think probably the only useful replies would be, "Joebob sez 'I didn't write that'", or "Going out of business sale starts now, 10% coupon code ISUCK."
5/16/2017 6:12:39 PM EDT
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Looks to me like this email was part of a larger conversation. Do you have those emails as well? It's hard to condemn someone for "AROCK'ing" without the context behind, what I assume, were multiple back and forth emails.

I.E. how did the conversation about "e-stalking" and where the OP's buddy works even get started?
5/16/2017 6:13:02 PM EDT
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How about you come buy my blem Stage 1 Roush mustang?  It's just a GT without the Roushiness.
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If you send me a F150 that functions exactly the same in every way (design, speed, performance, interior fitout) as a new Lamborghini for the price of a F150, sold.  You'd be a fool not to take that.  I'll have someone else put the badges on if I'm vain enough to care that everyone knows it's a Lamborghini.  Or I'll just stick a fake badge on my keychain like all the other posers.  

This is a problem with our society.  No one cares about function, as long as they can impress the Jones with the rollmark.
How about you come buy my blem Stage 1 Roush mustang?  It's just a GT without the Roushiness.
Again, if it has the engine, interior, suspension of the Stage 1 Roush, and the badge says "GT", sold.
5/16/2017 6:13:37 PM EDT
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Looks to me like this email was part of a larger conversation. Do you have those emails as well? It's hard to condemn someone for "AROCK'ing" without the context behind, what I assume, were multiple back and forth emails.

I.E. how did the conversation about "e-stalking" and where the OP's buddy works even get started?
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Looks to me like this email was part of a larger conversation. Do you have those emails as well? It's hard to condemn someone for "AROCK'ing" without the context behind, what I assume, were multiple back and forth emails.

I.E. how did the conversation about "e-stalking" and where the OP's buddy works even get started?
Cool first post friend.

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