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As I said veiled threat, mentioning my employer.
Also, sent me an image of the "profile" he built of all my social media connections. Excerpt from first one: "Since you have worked at XXXXXXX you understand a purchase is a contract that binds both parties at a set price." I asked if he was e-stalking me... "XXX, Can you confirm what you mean by "e-stalking"? Are you referring to my reference of assuming that you work at XXXXXXX? The IP address you have used in emails appears to have come from a XXXXXXXX IP address so I assumed you were on the clock at work when you sent them. Our email software linked your information to "XXXXXXXX" in Fort Worth along with links to social media accounts. We assumed, based on those facts, that you work at XXXXXXX. Let us know if you need any further clarification. Thanks, Joseph Owner JoeBobOutfitters" |
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So does that mean we have to listen to JBO thread the needle about how this isn't a threat to Arock, just innocently mentioning that he knows where the customer works, and that he was making the order during business hours? |
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Posts like this at least help me build a list of people to avoid in the EE. If they can't understand what is the one difference between a "SPARTAN Blem" and a "Blem" receiver, then I don't want to risk buying something from them. Who knows what you'll get. Quoted:
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OPs "friend" agrees to and buys blemished lower as is. Doesn't like what he gets. Gets offered store credit return if he pays for shipping. Says no and shitposts online. No sympathy. I'll keep buying from JoeBob. If they can't understand what is the one difference between a "SPARTAN Blem" and a "Blem" receiver, then I don't want to risk buying something from them. Who knows what you'll get. 
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As I said veiled threat, mentioning my employer.
Also, sent me an image of the "profile" he built of all my social media connections. Excerpt from first one: "Since you have worked at XXXXXXX you understand a purchase is a contract that binds both parties at a set price." I asked if he was e-stalking me... "XXX, Can you confirm what you mean by "e-stalking"? Are you referring to my reference of assuming that you work at XXXXXXX? The IP address you have used in emails appears to have come from a XXXXXXXX IP address so I assumed you were on the clock at work when you sent them. Our email software linked your information to "XXXXXXXX" in Fort Worth along with links to social media accounts. We assumed, based on those facts, that you work at XXXXXXX. Let us know if you need any further clarification. Thanks, Joseph Owner JoeBobOutfitters" 
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I am not going to condemn a company based on something that has been copied and pasted. I still feel we do not have the whole story. I find it really hard to believe that a reputable company would do something like this. Especially in this day and age where forums exist and if a company does something dumb it ends up online for the world to see.
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I am not going to condemn a company based on something that has been copied and pasted. I still feel we do not have the whole story. I find it really hard to believe that a reputable company would do something like this. Especially in this day and age where forums exist and if a company does something dumb it ends up online for the world to see. But, I could be wrong. |
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From the Joe Bob website. "The ML-15 Enhanced Stripped Billet Lower Receivers are the perfect start to any custom AR15 rifle or pistol! These great lowers are the perfect alternative for customers looking for a clean build. Machined with all the same great features as the Spartan-15, we simply removed the engraved logo!" So if you have a blemished lower... With NO logo... Do you sell it as a "SPARTAN" blem or as a "ML15" blem? This isn't fucking rocket science. Thread deleted and we don't know both sides, but it looks like JBO went too far. In a market where supply > demand, you have to cater to the customer. |
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If the information on the large "click to accept asterisk notice" box was there prior to your friend checking out, he should be an adult and read things better.
Just because you assume something doesn't mean you can skip the fine print/disclosures. If the company quickly added it after the transaction to cover themselves, well he has a valid point. 
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So he bought a blem lower and didn't like the blem? Could have not accepted it at FFL, so I am going to say its not JBO's problem.
On a side note, JBO did him a favor that Moron Lab shit is pretty gay and the rollmark is even worse. Will continue buying from JBO. ETA: Edited but already quoted |
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Posts like this at least help me build a list of people to avoid in the EE. If they can't understand what is the one difference between a "SPARTAN Blem" and a "Blem" receiver, then I don't want to risk buying something from them. Who knows what you'll get. The way I see it is, what if that lower ran through the Spartan lower program on the mill with a broken engraving endmill? It ate up machine time just the same as a Spartan lower with the logo. Would it not be a Spartan blem lower? |
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Blem receivers can have anything and everything wrong with it cosmetically. The helmet logo is a cosmetic treatment. If it's missing but all else is correct then it's a blem. If that was the only thing wrong with it then, as you've said, it's essentially a regular ml-15 which he got $30 cheaper than their current sale price for the ml-15. That's a great deal. Some people would bitch if you hung them with a new rope. 
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The way I see it is, what if that lower ran through the Spartan lower program on the mill with a broken engraving endmill? It ate up machine time just the same as a Spartan lower with the logo. Would it not be a Spartan blem lower? 1) It's a Lower 2) It' Spartan Themed 3) It's blemished. |
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The way I see it is, what if that lower ran through the Spartan lower program on the mill with a broken engraving endmill? It ate up machine time just the same as a Spartan lower with the logo. Would it not be a Spartan blem lower? Your broken machine time doesn't change what the product is. He sold a blem ML15 as a blem Spartan then acted like a jack ass after the fact. |
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Are we sure it didn't come off the Spartan lower mfg line? Model: ML-15 Caliber: Multi Serial #: KS-***** Logo: "Molon Labe" w/ Spartan Helmet Pictogram: Bullet Manufacturer Markings: Joe Bob Outfitters Hays, KS USA* *Receivers are contract machined by a US Firearms Manufacturer for JBO |
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He should cut them into pieces with a bandsaw. Then post the pictures to humiliate JoeBob's. (Teeners won't get this)
Also, isn't this kinda overblown? On one hand I'd be pissed if vendor threatened to contact boss to AROCK me (I'm my own boss so I'd just reprimand my own self for not buying more lowers but I digress  ) But on the other hand it's all over a stupid roll mark, I understand his money and all but come on, is the roll mark gonna make the gun magically shoot .25 MOA or something?!
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I don't know what to think about this! I know they offered a store credit if he returned it. Shipping aside, I would've sent them back, actually, I would have had my FFL send them back when I first looked at them. If I were the vendor, I would have handled this much differently, even if the customer was in the wrong. This is almost like watching a soap opera! Wow... |
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1. Ordered blems from BCM, PSA, and many other places, never saw an issue. I expect most people in gun industry during salad days think blems mean that the coating might have a pin sized chip. When looking at the actual rollmark(and how cool it does look, being inset like that) I too would be upset. Might as well have went anderson and bought 2.
2. When buying online, it is understood by all involved that you inspect the gun at the FFL. If it is not as described, the time to return it is then. Harsh but true lesson. Both of these things are true, and I don't blame the customer or the retailer for having a spat over it. What is a problem is the claim of Arocking. I haven't seen any evidence on this though, is there any? Even a threat from the retailer is enough in this case, since threats to customers livelihood shouldn't be accepted. |
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The way I see it is, what if that lower ran through the Spartan lower program on the mill with a broken engraving endmill? It ate up machine time just the same as a Spartan lower with the logo. Would it not be a Spartan blem lower? "The Ford Mustang ran through the manufacturing process to make it a 5.0, yet a malfunction happened at the power train robot stage, and the car was built with a V6." That's not a blem Mustang 5.0 |
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Irrelevant. The Specs define the lower as the following: this is the "Warning" from their site description on the Blems. Logo omissions is stated, although I am not sure when the description was last updated. |
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If joebob wouldn't have changed the discription of the item after the fact, I would say solid troll on the coupon code https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/82036/IMG-2399-209794.png Now, I would have been happy with getting the blank lower over the spartan. |
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These lowers may have cosmetic blems and are sold AS IS! Lowers are guaranteed to be in-spec and serviceable. Please do not purchase this lower receiver if you are unable to accept a lower receiver that is not 100% perfect. Blem lowers receiver may have small blemishes, dings, nicks, or logo omissions. Unfortunately blems cannot be hand-picked. this is the "Warning" from their site description on the Blems. Logo omissions is stated, although I am not sure when the description was last updated. 
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What if the blem is the lack of a roll mark? Lacking a roll mark sure sounds like a blemish to me. The Blem is that it has no Lamborghini parts and curiously resembles an old Ford F-150 truck, but I can assure you it's a Blem Lamborghini.
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If that is true, I'll never deal with them. Not because of the customer service, but because of the job stuff. You don't fuck with another mans source of income.
Same deal with microtech. Would like to have one of their knives, but I will never spend my money on one. |
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These lowers may have cosmetic blems and are sold AS IS! Lowers are guaranteed to be in-spec and serviceable. Please do not purchase this lower receiver if you are unable to accept a lower receiver that is not 100% perfect. Blem lowers receiver may have small blemishes, dings, nicks, or logo omissions. Unfortunately blems cannot be hand-picked. this is the "Warning" from their site description on the Blems. Logo omissions is stated, although I am not sure when the description was last updated. |
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The description was last updated after the issue came up. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/275845/16gzq6r-209775.jpg Illiterate dickbags. |
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What if the blem is the lack of a roll mark? Lacking a roll mark sure sounds like a blemish to me. Let's break this down logically. Let's ignore the blem for the time being. 1) What is the defining difference between a Spartan ML-15 and the "Blank" ML-15? Let's look at the description: The ML-15 Enhanced Stripped Billet Lower Receivers are the perfect start to any custom AR15 rifle or pistol! These great lowers are the perfect alternative for customers looking for a clean build. Machined with all the same great features as the Spartan-15, we simply removed the engraved logo! Due to some manufacturing errors, you have some blemished product turn up. You decide to sell them at a discounted rate, marked as "blem". "Blem" is a subset Category within the parent category. Make more sense? Could you have a "Blem" Blank ML-15 with a Spartan Logo engraved on it? |
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So I can sell you my Blem Lamborghini for $50,000 right? The Blem is that it has no Lamborghini parts and curiously resembles an old Ford F-150 truck, but I can assure you it's a Blem Lamborghini. Quoted:
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What if the blem is the lack of a roll mark? Lacking a roll mark sure sounds like a blemish to me. The Blem is that it has no Lamborghini parts and curiously resembles an old Ford F-150 truck, but I can assure you it's a Blem Lamborghini. |
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Lol at this and the other car examples. It's a roll mark, so it's more like getting a Lamborghini where the badge fell off. I used to debadge my cars anyway because I thought badges looked like shit (and I order range tool lowers with no roll mark), but to each his own. Quoted:
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What if the blem is the lack of a roll mark? Lacking a roll mark sure sounds like a blemish to me. The Blem is that it has no Lamborghini parts and curiously resembles an old Ford F-150 truck, but I can assure you it's a Blem Lamborghini. Why the fuck did I advertise the custom paint color? |