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If I read that post right, there's no actual direct AROCK threat. The owner of JBO simply emailed the customer and included personal information gathered from social media sites and such about the customer and put it in the email. |
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Buys blem lower Gets upset about blem lower Maybe he should have inspected the item at the FFL before receiving it. Guy is a doofus. |
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They removed the arock thread. Joebob is a member here, and well liked. I personally have spoken to him via message (on this forum and others) on a few occasions. He has always been respectful and had great customer service. I'm not familiar with that forum you linked but they seemed to be a less evolved version of our own general discussion forum. Piling on over a disagreement that's iffy at best. If the guy didn't want the lowers he could have shipped em back for store credit or rejected them at the FFL. After you bring them home I'm not sure what else the seller can really do. throw an @ his way |
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The lack of a marking is a blemish. Consumers have had unrealistically high standards for blems for years 
If he wanted a lower with no rollmark he would have bought a "Blemished Lower". He ordered a "Spartan" blemished lower. What is required to make it a "Spartan" lower...? I do not think it is an unrealistically high standard to expect the advertised product to contain the one thing advertised in the very name of the product. |
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blemishes such as shallow engraving, missing engraving (except the ATF required markings), scratches, scuffs, tool marks, etc. In this instance, the Spartan logo was missing which caused it to be a "blem". There may be other blems on the lower receiver as well. The price for "blem" lower receivers is $100.
Tell your friend to quit being a fag. He didn't get the blem that he wanted so now he's crying... |
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They removed the arock thread. Joebob is a member here, and well liked. I personally have spoken to him via message (on this forum and others) on a few occasions. He has always been respectful and had great customer service. I'm not familiar with that forum you linked but they seemed to be a less evolved version of our own general discussion forum. Piling on over a disagreement that's iffy at best. If the guy didn't want the lowers he could have shipped em back for store credit or rejected them at the FFL. After you bring them home I'm not sure what else the seller can really do. |
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Its a blem lower? What did the guy expect?
Return it minus the fees and move on with your life. You cant order something, with the details listed, then want to return it all on the seller's dime. That would make you FSA. A mooch, you could say. "I WANT THINGS FREE!!" Another way of saying "A bernie supporter". |
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They removed the arock thread. Joebob is a member here, and well liked. I personally have spoken to him via message (on this forum and others) on a few occasions. He has always been respectful and had great customer service. I'm not familiar with that forum you linked but they seemed to be a less evolved version of our own general discussion forum. Piling on over a disagreement that's iffy at best. If the guy didn't want the lowers he could have shipped em back for store credit or rejected them at the FFL. After you bring them home I'm not sure what else the seller can really do. 1)apologize. 2)adjust my listing to remove spartan from the description so that is is accurate. 3) pay the shipping and take them back (i know the guy is hungup on shipping and that seems trivial but JoeBob explanation is downright stupid... its a labeling issue... fix it and move on. Suicide by internet will cost far more than paying a shipping charge. |
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blemishes such as shallow engraving, missing engraving (except the ATF required markings), scratches, scuffs, tool marks, etc. In this instance, the Spartan logo was missing which caused it to be a "blem". There may be other blems on the lower receiver as well. The price for "blem" lower receivers is $100. Tell your friend to quit being a fag. He didn't get the blem that he wanted so now he's crying... Anyone want to buy my rare, blem Magpul China Doll lower? 
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what's his screen name? throw an @ his way Hasn't been on in awhile http://www.ar15.com/member/user.html?id=170026 |
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I laughed way to hard at this. Now my kids are in here laughing at it with me 
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But what kind of blem lower was it? Anyone want to buy my rare, one of a kind blem Magpul China Doll lower? http://www.avantlink.com/click.php?tt=cl&pw=55963&ctc=j2rz0lrgje00zk8a02gtd&mi=13601&url=https%3A%2F%2Faeroprecisionusa.com%2Fmedia%2Fcatalog%2Fproduct%2Fcache%2F1%2Fimage%2F9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95%2Fa%2Fp%2Fapar501101_ar15_stripped_lower_gen2_anodized_1.jpg I'm sure the Serial Number tells you, along with the fact it looks EXACTLY like a Spartan Lower without the helmet.... |
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If the only difference between the ML-15 and the Spartan ML-15 is the Spartan Logo, how the hell does a blem Spartan ML-15 not have the spartan logo? Wouldn't it just be a blem ML-15? Or is every ML-15 a blem Spartan ML-15. Joe Bob went full retard. Quoted:
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In on dis. I've ordered a ton of stuff from jbo and they've always been great. Hate to say it but the only thing that's guaranteed with a blem receiver is its functionality. You buy them when you plan on painting the rifle anyway. You have no idea of what the cosmetic flaw will be but you know it'll work. Sounds like a whiny complaint. Joe Bob went full retard. Some people would bitch if you hung them with a new rope. |
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Its a blem lower? What did the guy expect? Return it minus the fees and move on with your life. You cant order something, with the details listed, then want to return it all on the seller's dime. That would make you FSA. A mooch, you could say. "I WANT THINGS FREE!!" Another way of saying "A bernie supporter". He wanted 99% of the lower at 75% of the cost. |
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Its a blem lower? What did the guy expect? Return it minus the fees and move on with your life. You cant order something, with the details listed, then want to return it all on the seller's dime. That would make you FSA. A mooch, you could say. "I WANT THINGS FREE!!" Another way of saying "A bernie supporter". |
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But what kind of blem lower was it? Anyone want to buy my rare, blem Magpul China Doll lower? http://www.ar15news.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/AR15.com-Stripped-Billet-Lower-1.jpg its not a spartan blem lower if there is no spartan..... it becomes a regular blem lower. I don't think expecting a blem'd spartan roll or maybe a light spartan roll mark is a problem at all.... but none at all? As for not refusing them at the FFL... he should have. |
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In to see if they make my permanent ban list, so far its not looking too good for them.
Sorry when you sell a blank receiver and a spartan receiver you dont get to sell a non rollmarked receiver as a blem spartan one. Its either a new blank receiver or its a blem blank receiver. |
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Blem receivers can have anything and everything wrong with it cosmetically. The helmet logo is a cosmetic treatment. If it's missing but all else is correct then it's a blem. If that was the only thing wrong with it then, as you've said, it's essentially a regular ml-15 which he got $30 cheaper than their current sale price for the ml-15. That's a great deal. Some people would bitch if you hung them with a new rope. 
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I have a blem LeFerrari to sell you! It only has slight blemishes! Here it is, remember, it is a blem model, no returns. http://i.imgur.com/iy4hCwC.jpg As long as it has the Ferrari emblem it's good. |
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As a small business guy id say 1)apologize. 2)adjust my listing to remove spartan from the description so that is is accurate. 3) pay the shipping and take them back (i know the guy is hungup on shipping and that seems trivial but JoeBob explanation is downright stupid... its a labeling issue... fix it and move on. Suicide by internet will cost far more than paying a shipping charge. All this over $200 worth of aluminum? Joe Bob is stupid or hires stupid people. The smart path: take them back, raffle them off at the company Xmas party, and move on with your life. JoeBob path: argue with people, alienate untold numbers of customers, cause more than $200 of damage to your bottom line 
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Sounds more like your buddy is trying too Arock JoeBob's
He acknowledged the following: Cosmetic Blem (Must Select)
I acknowledge this product may have cosmetic blems and is sold AS-IS with no returns available This Firearm must ship to a local dealer FFL*: I acknowledge this is a firearm and must ship to an FFL Holder And this description: These lowers may have cosmetic blems and are sold AS IS! Lowers are guaranteed to be in-spec and serviceable. Please do not purchase this lower receiver if you are unable to accept a lower receiver that is not 100% perfect. Blem lowers receiver may have small blemishes, dings, nicks, or logo omissions. Unfortunately blems cannot be hand-picked. Your buddy seems to be acting like a dick...... |