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Posted: 2/16/2002 8:34:46 AM EDT
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Quoted: I can't help but wonder Eric, if you were a goatherder in Afghanistan, and it was YOUR daughter & grand kids bombed, if you would call it terrorism or "collateral Damage". Apparently we have already killed more innocents than were killed on 9/11....... Somewhere in one of your posts, it seems that I recall that you said you have fought for your country in our military. If I remember that correctly, would you please say when and where. |
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Posted: 2/16/2002 8:42:08 AM EDT
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I found out something that I did not know: According to footnote #60, The Spanish-American War [i]was not a war[/i] (emphasis added) because it was fought on the land of the Afro-Cubans. Hello?, WTF difference does that make, considering we were fighting Spaniards for the great part? And what about the Philippines? Maybe the Authors of the article never heard of that country.
Let's say that for me, the credibility of the web site quoted above is rather lacking... I smell an agenda. |
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Posted: 2/16/2002 9:35:29 AM EDT
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Quoted: For those that don't know what this tank looks like: [img]http://www.voodoo.cz/merkava/grf/merkava.gif[/img] And here's the little darling in action. [img]http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20020215/i/2684862501.jpg[/img] |
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Posted: 2/16/2002 9:45:06 AM EDT
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rock vs tank
who will win anyone else think that if they could lower the barrel a little farther the Israelis would shoot the main gun at that guy maybe a "buck shot" round for the tanks to carry Quoted: Quoted: For those that don't know what this tank looks like: [img]http://www.voodoo.cz/merkava/grf/merkava.gif[/img] And here's the little darling in action. [img]http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20020215/i/2684862501.jpg[/img] |
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Posted: 2/16/2002 9:54:35 AM EDT
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Quoted: [b]YES[/b], we give Israel a lot of money because they've made a lot of enemies! Israel would like to make [b]THEIR[/b] enemies...[b]OURS[/b]! [b]NO[/b], the US doesn't need Israel meddling in any conflict with Iraq! That [b]WOULD[/b] upset our Muslim allies in the region! But it [b]WOULD[/b] make all of Israel's enemies .... [b]OURS[/b]! We just [b]KNOW[/b] Israel wouldn't want to cause us any problems like that! [b]DON'T WE[/b]???!! [:P] There will be [b]NO[/b] problems using Saudi airbases (unless Israel meddles in the conflict). There will also be no problems with Turkish air bases (unless the US plan would allow the formation of a Kurdish state on Turkey's border). DaMan Do you actually [b]believe[/b] that the Saudis or Kuwaitis will let us operate from airbases on their soil when we unilaterally attack either Iran or Iraq (or both)? The Saudis and Kuwaiti governments don't consider us their [b]friends[/b], they consider us to be their hired palace guards (BTW, women and religions other than Islam are treated [b]far[/b] worse in Saudi Arabia than Palestinians are in Israel.) I will admit that Turkey is more likely to allow us to use their airbases during a war against Iran and/or Iraq, but I wouldn't go so far as to say they [b]will[/b] let us - I doubt they want the entire rest of the Muslim world angry at them and starting suicide bombing targets in Turkey. |
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Posted: 2/16/2002 10:04:42 AM EDT
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heheheeee
the "Qassam-2" rocket [img]http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20020216/i/2751856683.jpg[/img] "They (the Israelis) will know what will happen if one of our rockets lands on a residential area during the day, as they saw today and as we have tried to avoid until now," Hamas said. *smirk* whats next? The quizling4 catapult (A giant slingshot for suicide bombers) |
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Posted: 2/16/2002 10:08:30 AM EDT
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BTW you can’t really tell scale from that pic but it’s about the size of the v2 model I built when I was 7. (It died a fiery death filled with red dot[:)])
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Posted: 2/16/2002 10:22:16 AM EDT
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Quoted: Give it up, Eric. Some people hate Israel, period. They try to hide under alleged "facts" and "truths". Why bother debating? No one's mind will be changed, yours or theirs. They can't see the difference in blowing up restaurants and nightclubs and retaliation for the same. Many "innocents" supposedly killed by the Israeli's have been in fact armed combatants. The incident with the photos of the father and son caught in a crossfire and the little boy supposedly being killed by Israeli fire when it was in fact Palestinian fire has never been corrected in the media after all their hoopla about it and some who know the truth of that still don't accept it. I would not bother any more were I you. You said right LarryG. A lot of times U.S. Army, Navy and AIr FOrce shoot on their own soldiers or allied soldiers, sometimes for dozen of minutes, but this is always forgotten. Ask to Vietnam Veterans or historians. Happened also during II W.W. When it's Israel the act is "deliberate and evil". Killing civilians in Afghanistan by US. Army during retaliation for the infamous terror act of the WTC is a "collateral damage". Killing civilians in Palestine is "deliberate and evil" if done by IDF as retaliation for terror attacks by Palestinians murderer. Putting in jail foreigner "suspects" without trial and without a lawyer is ok in USA "to favour an easier acton against terrorism", but to do the same in Israel is "III Reich behaviour". Double standards. I say that this people is very one sided and narrow minded. Never mind that Israel has gun laws that most of wish we had here. I've seen reports where Israeli's pick up soldiers and civilians carrying M16's and no one gets freaked out. I wish we had that attitude here. Sorry to delude you Larry. The civilians that you saw with M16 are under army jurisdiction and M16 cannot be privately owned in Israel. |
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Posted: 2/16/2002 10:32:30 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: .... Yes, we still give them a lot of money and some people are upset about that....... The Israelis still have a lot of enemies .... Besides, [u]when[/u] we get involved in another shooting war in SWA, without the benefit of a Coalition, it'll be handy to have the Israelis to keep our 1991 Arab/Muslim allies off our backs ....... Chances are we won't be flying out of Saudi Arabia, and Turkey might not let us use bases there, either ............ [b]YES[/b], we give Israel a lot of money because they've made a lot of enemies! Israel would like to make [b]THEIR[/b] enemies...[b]OURS[/b]! [b]NO[/b], the US doesn't need Israel meddling in any conflict with Iraq! That [b]WOULD[/b] upset our Muslim allies in the region! But it [b]WOULD[/b] make all of Israel's enemies .... [b]OURS[/b]! We just [b]KNOW[/b] Israel wouldn't want to cause us any problems like that! [b]DON'T WE[/b]???!! [:P] There will be [b]NO[/b] problems using Saudi airbases (unless Israel meddles in the conflict). There will also be no problems with Turkish air bases (unless the US plan would allow the formation of a Kurdish state on Turkey's border). DaMan Really? Explain me one thing, dude, how come that before the attack to Iraq the USAF warfare specialist (that had NO combat experience on this issue) went to Israel asking HOW the Israelis F15 destroyed ground-to-air defences used by Syrians? And used those informations to defeat the Iraqui systems in 1991? As you can see, USA already USED Israel for attacking Iraq. And with profit. If I were in you, I would not rely a lot on Saudis. Almost all the terrorists of 9-11 were from Saudi Arabia and you are still botherig us with Israelis... I say take care of your back from the Arabs if you don't want to be stabbed in the middle ot the night! |
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Posted: 2/16/2002 11:01:18 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: .... Yes, we still give them a lot of money and some people are upset about that....... The Israelis still have a lot of enemies .... Besides, [u]when[/u] we get involved in another shooting war in SWA, without the benefit of a Coalition, it'll be handy to have the Israelis to keep our 1991 Arab/Muslim allies off our backs ....... Chances are we won't be flying out of Saudi Arabia, and Turkey might not let us use bases there, either ............ [b]YES[/b], we give Israel a lot of money because they've made a lot of enemies! Israel would like to make [b]THEIR[/b] enemies...[b]OURS[/b]! [b]NO[/b], the US doesn't need Israel meddling in any conflict with Iraq! That [b]WOULD[/b] upset our Muslim allies in the region! But it [b]WOULD[/b] make all of Israel's enemies .... [b]OURS[/b]! We just [b]KNOW[/b] Israel wouldn't want to cause us any problems like that! [b]DON'T WE[/b]???!! [:P] There will be [b]NO[/b] problems using Saudi airbases (unless Israel meddles in the conflict). There will also be no problems with Turkish air bases (unless the US plan would allow the formation of a Kurdish state on Turkey's border). DaMan Really? Explain me one thing, dude, how come that before the attack to Iraq the USAF warfare specialist (that had NO combat experience on this issue) went to Israel asking HOW the Israelis F15 destroyed ground-to-air defences used by Syrians? And used those informations to defeat the Iraqui systems in 1991? As you can see, USA already USED Israel for attacking Iraq. And with profit. If I were in you, I would not rely a lot on Saudis. Almost all the terrorists of 9-11 were from Saudi Arabia and you are still botherig us with Israelis... I say take care of your back from the Arabs if you don't want to be stabbed in the middle ot the night! You guys take the Palestinian trolls WAY too seriously. They are either 1) Just frustrated pimply faced 12 year olds looking for attention (and something new to strap to their airsoft 2) Maladjusted 20 somethings looking to take their mind off of STILL living with their parents 3) Non hacking adults that have a fetish for people that blow themselves up (Maybe someday they will grow a pair and we wont have to listen to their drivel anymore) 4) Representatives of an ethnic segment that our (Israel and the US) armed forces are kicking the shit out of. ( In which case they will soon get to find out about that main gun and blast effects at point blank range) Either way debating is a total waste of time. Ridicule them, laugh at the moronic response, move on. |
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Posted: 2/16/2002 11:39:38 AM EDT
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Quoted: Do you actually [b]believe[/b] that the Saudis or Kuwaitis will let us operate from airbases on their soil when we unilaterally attack either Iran or Iraq (or both)? You're the one who used the words "unilaterally attack". Not me! And yes, I believe the Saudis and Kuwaitis will let us use their bases, if we attack Iraq (We have no intention of attacking Iran!). Now, if the Israelis meddle in the action, then all bets are off! DaMan |
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Posted: 2/16/2002 12:02:56 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: [b]NO[/b], the US doesn't need Israel meddling in any conflict with Iraq! That [b]WOULD[/b] upset our Muslim allies in the region! But it [b]WOULD[/b] make all of Israel's enemies .... [b]OURS[/b]! We just [b]KNOW[/b] Israel wouldn't want to cause us any problems like that! [b]DON'T WE[/b]???!! [:P] There will be [b]NO[/b] problems using Saudi airbases (unless Israel meddles in the conflict). There will also be no problems with Turkish air bases (unless the US plan would allow the formation of a Kurdish state on Turkey's border). DaMan Really? Explain me one thing, dude, how come that before the attack to Iraq the USAF warfare specialist (that had NO combat experience on this issue) went to Israel asking HOW the Israelis F15 destroyed ground-to-air defences used by Syrians? As you can see, USA already USED Israel for attacking Iraq. And with profit. Paolo, I know English isn't your native tongue. So maybe you misunderstood my statement. I was talking about bases in Saudi Arabia and Kuwait. Israel [b]wanted[/b] to attack Iraq during desert storm. Knowing this would destroy the coalition, the US did some arm twisting to keep Israel out of it (which they did). We also stationed Patriot missiles in Israel to protect them from Scuds. There will be a similar arrangement to keep Israel out of the fray this time too. DaMan |
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Posted: 2/16/2002 12:18:58 PM EDT
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Quoted: heheheeee *smirk* whats next? The quizling4 catapult (A giant slingshot for suicide bombers) And they must have used a [b]BIG[/b] firecracker on that Merkava Mark III! Right,Instant_Karma??!! DaMan |
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Posted: 2/16/2002 12:28:07 PM EDT
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Quoted: You're the one who used the words "unilaterally attack". Not me! And yes, I believe the Saudis and Kuwaitis will let us use their bases, if we attack Iraq (We have no intention of attacking Iran!). Now, if the Israelis meddle in the action, then all bets are off! DaMan I never claimed that you used "unilaterally attack" or that I didn't. [b]When[/b] we attack one of these countries (Iraq because it's Iraq, Iran because it's one member of the "axis of evil") we'll need bases nearby, and Saudi Arabia and Kuwait won't let us use theirs? Why not? Because they're not in danger this time. Both nations are only our friends when they need something from us. This time they'll see it as a US attack on fellow Muslims and will most likely refuse to get involved on our side. The entire Muslim/Arab world will be against us when we attack, and few if any western nations will back us. Now, even if the Saudis or Kuwaitis [b]do[/b] let us operate from their bases, I think that the nation we attack will call for a [i]jihad[/i] and that other Arab/Muslim nations will attack us in the host countries. Israel is our best bet to keep these guys from coming in behind us, so to speak. No bets will be called off due to the Israelis "meddling" in the action, because we'll be [b]alone[/b] this time and won't have to keep the Israelis out of the fight to preserve the coalition. |
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Posted: 2/16/2002 12:43:17 PM EDT
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Quoted: The entire Muslim/Arab world will be against us when we attack, and few if any western nations will back us. Again, I disagree with your post above. But it's obvious I won't be able to convince you otherwise. Cheney is scheduled to travel to the Arab countries concerned next month. We'll see what he brings back! DaMan |
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Posted: 2/16/2002 9:24:58 PM EDT
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I see the neo nazi slime have crawled out of their holes again...
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Posted: 2/17/2002 3:40:10 AM EDT
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Kar98 wrote: I still think it's pretty ironic that Israel should be the reincarnation of the 3rd Reich IN EVERY ASPECT. 2nd Class Citizens? yep camps for them? ditto ghettos for the subhumans? ditto specially marked passports for said subhumans? ditto subhumans suspected of having relations to criminals can be killed without a trial? ditto a people "chosen" to terrorize and dominate an entire region? ditto a state supported and financed by the US? ditto Kar - you're hilarious. You've got to be an anti-semite or a militant camel jockey yourself to spew this crap. How many European Jews were blowing up buses in the late '30's? Good Lord - Hitler was a racist - duh. The Israelis don't give a damn what the Palestinians do - except for one thing - they want them to stop killing Israelis. The Palestinians are like the Sharpton led homeys in this country - full of anger cause "the man" got them down. Their "brave fighters" are out in the streets throwing rocks at tanks because they have nothing to lose. Many of them have nothing to lose because instead of allowing themselves to be absorbed by surrounding nations that they are just as culturally "bonded" with as they ever were with any Palestinian state, they would rather cause trouble. It's a cultural thing for some - it's a religious thing for some. They are taught from birth to despise Israel and the US, so that's what they do. Kind of like welfare mom syndrome here in the US - that's just how they are. The only reason *I* need to support Israel is that they are the enemy of OUR Nation's enemies. There are other reasons, but that's the only one I need. Tate |
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Posted: 2/17/2002 8:04:57 AM EDT
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Quoted: Kar98 wrote: I still think it's pretty ironic that Israel should be the reincarnation of the 3rd Reich IN EVERY ASPECT. 2nd Class Citizens? yep camps for them? ditto ghettos for the subhumans? ditto specially marked passports for said subhumans? ditto subhumans suspected of having relations to criminals can be killed without a trial? ditto a people "chosen" to terrorize and dominate an entire region? ditto a state supported and financed by the US? ditto Kar - you're hilarious. You've got to be an anti-semite or a militant camel jockey yourself to spew this crap. How many European Jews were blowing up buses in the late '30's? Good Lord - Hitler was a racist - duh. The Israelis don't give a damn what the Palestinians do - except for one thing - they want them to stop killing Israelis. The Palestinians are like the Sharpton led homeys in this country - full of anger cause "the man" got them down. Their "brave fighters" are out in the streets throwing rocks at tanks because they have nothing to lose. Many of them have nothing to lose because instead of allowing themselves to be absorbed by surrounding nations that they are just as culturally "bonded" with as they ever were with any Palestinian state, they would rather cause trouble. It's a cultural thing for some - it's a religious thing for some. They are taught from birth to despise Israel and the US, so that's what they do. Kind of like welfare mom syndrome here in the US - that's just how they are. The only reason *I* need to support Israel is that they are the enemy of OUR Nation's enemies. There are other reasons, but that's the only one I need. Tate [size=6]A-FUCKING-MEN BROTHER![/size=6]This same dude was slammin' Jews in the post about those little CHICKEN SHIT ASSHOLES that took those Jewish athletes hostage in Munich in '72. This guy might be SS so if you here a knock on the door don't answer it. PEACE! |
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Posted: 2/17/2002 10:18:07 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: I can't help but wonder Eric, if you were a goatherder in Afghanistan, and it was YOUR daughter & grand kids bombed, if you would call it terrorism or "collateral Damage". Apparently we have already killed more innocents than were killed on 9/11....... Somewhere in one of your posts, it seems that I recall that you said you have fought for your country in our military. If I remember that correctly, would you please say when and where. LarryG, Here's yur site link[url]http://www.cursor.org/stories/civilian_deaths.htm[/url], originally posted by Eric in the "tank" post. I have also heard it on Fox, or CNN, forget which. As to my military service, Vietnam, '65-'67. 100% Disabled. Proof will cost ya $100. Check my profile, it's free. Now how bout you larry? Ever take the oath?? |
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Posted: 2/17/2002 10:21:48 AM EDT
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OH, and Larry, almost forgot! Same goat herder question to you....
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Posted: 2/17/2002 11:21:25 AM EDT
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Would the supporters of the Palastinians please surrender whatever land you may own to the Native Americans, and at least be intellectually consistant. Thank you.
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Posted: 2/17/2002 2:40:29 PM EDT
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Getting back to the tank..Turns out it didn't have it's full complement of protective plates installed. As you said earlier Eric, "bet they don't make THAT mistake again".....
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Posted: 2/17/2002 2:45:00 PM EDT
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Quoted: Now how bout you larry? Ever take the oath?? I'll ask you one question. What would you have us do in response to Sept 11? Inaction by this country emboldened people like Bin Laden to become more violent in their actions against the US. |
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Posted: 2/17/2002 3:33:10 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Now how bout you larry? Ever take the oath?? I'll ask you one question. What would you have us do in response to Sept 11? Inaction by this country emboldened people like Bin Laden to become more violent in their actions against the US. AH good, we've established common ground, I've paid my dues, you've paid yours. I thought the same thing as you when I first checked the link. That it was all anti-US. However, if you scroll the page, looking in the left hand column, you may see some pretty good sources. Check 'em out..... What would I have done about 9/11?? You said inaction caused it. A predictable outcome wouldn't you say? Maybe on purpose? For starters, if I was really serious, I would have CLOSED our borders. TIGHT! Then I would have gone after Saudi Arabia & Pakistan. BIG TIME! You see, the goat herds in Afghanistan; 1) Didn't do it 2) Ain't goin nowhere The money boys and govt of Saudi is who we should nail. The Pakistani ISI put them in business. BTW, do you remember the "Tonkin Gulf Incident"? You know, THE ONE THAT NEVER HAPPENED, but gave Johnson the excuse to send the troops to 'Nam which cost you & I the loss of good friends?? All I'm sayin Larry, is lets not go off halfcocked, and lets not be "herded" in the direction some may wish us to go for their own purposes. I have studied enough history, that I will Always question MY govt. THATS WHAT AMERICANS DO. I agree with you, why didn't they overthrow the Taliban? Answer? They are not Americans, they don't question, WE DO! Take an honest look Larry, at where our nation has been led these last 200 years. The men who signed our declaration of independence did so for less than what we today call "freedom". Think about it brother...... |
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Posted: 2/17/2002 3:36:25 PM EDT
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Quoted: For those that don't know what this tank looks like: ...] Thanks for showing us what it looked like before. Do you have one showing what it looks like [b]now?[/b] |
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Posted: 2/17/2002 3:53:03 PM EDT
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Quoted: I can't help but wonder Eric, if you were a goatherder in Afghanistan, and it was YOUR daughter & grand kids bombed, if you would call it terrorism or "collateral Damage". Apparently we have already killed more innocents than were killed on 9/11....... As often as I diagree with the Hunster, it looks like you've misread him here. Was his point not about how some call the US terrorists because of some civilians being killed? So what makes you think he would categorize it as "collateral damage?" "collateral damage" is an unfortunate term that gained popularity in Desert Storm. Far from serving the purpose of absolving us for responsibility for mistargeting or strays, it made the Pentagon seem like callous spin doctors hoping to make it go away by dehumanizing the victims. Better to express regrets at the accident or sorrow that they were being used as shields by the agressors. Next target, please. |
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Posted: 2/17/2002 4:14:54 PM EDT
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Quoted: Kar - you're hilarious. You've got to be an anti-semite or a militant camel jockey yourself to spew this crap. How many European Jews were blowing up buses in the late '30's? Good Lord - Hitler was a racist - duh. Tate, no, you're right! The "European Jews" weren't blowing up buses in the late '30s! [b]BUT[/b], let's fast forward to the '40s! Here's a summary of terrorist action in the 40's! Be careful though! This "cdiss.org" is probably an Arabist/Wahabist/NAZI organization! [:P] Terrorist actions in the 1940's! [url]http://www.cdiss.org/terror_1940s.htm[/url] DaMan |
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Posted: 2/17/2002 6:52:58 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Kar - you're hilarious. You've got to be an anti-semite or a militant camel jockey yourself to spew this crap. How many European Jews were blowing up buses in the late '30's? Good Lord - Hitler was a racist - duh. Tate, no, you're right! The "European Jews" weren't blowing up buses in the late '30s! [b]BUT[/b], let's fast forward to the '40s! Here's a summary of terrorist action in the 40's! Be careful though! This "cdiss.org" is probably an Arabist/Wahabist/NAZI organization! [:P] Terrorist actions in the 1940's! [url]http://www.cdiss.org/terror_1940s.htm[/url] DaMan [url=http://www.hebron.org.il/pics/tarpat/martyrs.htm]link[/url] Anyone ever hear about the Hebron riots? (1930s) Mind you, this is long before the state of Israel ever existed. Basically groups of Arabs wanted the land of Jewish families that had lived there for hundreds of years. They (the arabs) murdered hundreds (if not thousands) of Jews by raiding their homes and hacking them to death with machetes. The Jews are the only people on the face of the earth that would put up with it as long as they have. When they snap, it’s going to be a very LOUD snap indeed. |
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Posted: 2/17/2002 7:18:52 PM EDT
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Quoted: Whatever. I still think it's pretty ironic that Israel should be the reincarnation of the 3rd Reich IN EVERY ASPECT. 2nd Class Citizens? yep camps for them? ditto ghettos for the subhumans? ditto specially marked passports for said subhumans? ditto subhumans suspected of having relations to criminals can be killed without a trial? ditto a people "chosen" to terrorize and dominate an entire region? ditto a state supported and financed by the US? ditto the USA realizing they're supporting a genocidal terrorist regime, turning around and crushing said regime....soon on a theater near you. I disagree with what you said in the last paragraph. You're reaching... |
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Posted: 2/17/2002 8:28:04 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: a state supported and financed by the US? ditto the USA realizing they're supporting a genocidal terrorist regime, turning around and crushing said regime....soon on a theater near you. I disagree with what you said in the last paragraph. You're reaching... Yes, I agree. But hope springs eternal [smoke] |
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Posted: 2/17/2002 8:41:04 PM EDT
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Quoted: Anyone ever hear about the Hebron riots? And what caused the Hebron riots? Can you say Zionistic expansion into the area? Riots 1997? DaMan |
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Posted: 2/18/2002 1:02:37 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Anyone ever hear about the Hebron riots? And what caused the Hebron riots? Can you say Zionistic expansion into the area? Riots 1997? DaMan What would they call me if I suddenly took offence to the growing Hispanic population in the US? (Either because of ethnicity or religion IRRELEVANT) What if I started kicking in their doors and hacking them to death with machetes? Like it or not, that’s exactly what the Arabs position is regarding Israel and the US. You would have me believe that’s because of the Jews. I would tell you it’s because we fail to bow to an arbitrary point in the sky three times a day (and know how to use toilet paper). Sanction my victimization? – FUCK NO Sanction poisoning all twelve fresh water sources in Saudi (during the Haj) and watching them flop around like dead fish? – OH heck yea. |
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Posted: 2/18/2002 2:10:35 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Anyone ever hear about the Hebron riots? And what caused the Hebron riots? Can you say Zionistic expansion into the area? Riots 1997? DaMan No. The Mufti of jerusalem inciting Muslim to wipe out Jews of Palestine. Why not only pursue settlements in Rehovot, Rishon le Zion and other new ones? The community in Hevron wa one of the few ALWAYS present in Palestine. ANd was almost completely exterminated. The problem is, dude, that if it's right to give back houses to indigenous populations, maybe you have to start to give back your house to apaches, comances, shoshonis and so on... they lived in America long time ago. If not, so why the f*ck the Israelis (that anyway have 2000 years old cultural links to this land) should do it? Because you don't like them? |
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Posted: 2/18/2002 5:14:54 AM EDT
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Post from Kar98 -
Yes, I agree. But hope springs eternal Yes, indeed, the truth is often said in jest, as the Bard reminded us. Fortunately, our country is not as Facist as would be required for Kar98's hopes to be realized. At least not [u]yet[/u]! But I'd imagine that for Kar98 'hope springs eternal' for that, as well! Eric The(Perceptive)Hun[>]:)] |
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Posted: 2/18/2002 5:19:15 AM EDT
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Well, well, Paolo, my friend, do you not see a clear pattern here?
Friends of the Nazis? Friends of Al Qaeda? Friends of the Neo-Nazis? The Palestinian people have never been able to pick out either (1) the good guys, or (2) the winners in history! They are the quinessential idiots of world history: They are doomed never to forget - they are doomed never to learn. And they reproduce at alarming rates! Eric The(Shocked)Hun[>]:)] |
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Posted: 2/18/2002 5:29:40 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Now how bout you larry? Ever take the oath?? I'll ask you one question. What would you have us do in response to Sept 11? Inaction by this country emboldened people like Bin Laden to become more violent in their actions against the US. Oh, and Larry, some extremist group HAS taken over the US, they are called the Council on Foreign Relations, their members are an offshoot of the british "Roundtable" group (funded by Cecil Rhodes, and now his foundation), and they hold almost every high political, bureaucratic, and corporate position in our country. Their Goal? World Socialist Government! |
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Posted: 2/18/2002 6:52:17 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Anyone ever hear about the Hebron riots? And what caused the Hebron riots? Can you say Zionistic expansion into the area? Riots 1997? DaMan No. The Mufti of jerusalem inciting Muslim to wipe out Jews of Palestine. Why not only pursue settlements in Rehovot, Rishon le Zion and other new ones? The community in Hevron wa one of the few ALWAYS present in Palestine. ANd was almost completely exterminated. The problem is, dude, that if it's right to give back houses to indigenous populations, maybe you have to start to give back your house to apaches, comances, shoshonis and so on... they lived in America long time ago. If not, so why the f*ck the Israelis (that anyway have 2000 years old cultural links to this land) should do it? Because you don't like them? Think about this for a moment…. Ignore the facts and try and understand what DaMan is saying. BY: DaMan (Paraphrase) [i]It’s ok to murder entire families with an ax, as long as their culture is different than yours.[/i] ~That’s the whole premise behind justifying the Hebron riots with “Zionist expansion”. ~Ditto the intifada ~Ditto 09/11- except replace “Zionist” with United States. |
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Posted: 2/21/2002 9:06:03 AM EDT
[#38]
Quoted: Anyone ever hear about the Hebron riots? (1930s) Mind you, this is long before the state of Israel ever existed. Basically groups of Arabs wanted the land of Jewish families that had lived there for hundreds of years. They (the arabs) murdered hundreds (if not thousands) of Jews by raiding their homes and hacking them to death with machetes. Instant_Karma, you are thinking of the "1936 Uprising" and you've got your "facts" all mucked up (as usual)! Background: The Zionists had been settling in Palestine and displacing more and more Arab peasants and Bedouins since the '20s. By 1935 the Zionists owned 1/3 of the arable land, controlled 872 of the total of 1,212 industrial firms and were awarded 90% of the economic infrastructure (road projects, Dead Sea minerals, ports, etc.). This was done with the approval of the British government, which was heavily influenced by Zionist capital. The British had kept the Zionist immigration and the Palestinian displacement "under control" (meaning to levels where the Palestinians wouldn't revolt). But events in Europe (in Poland and Germany) lead to a massive increase in Zionist immigration in 1935-1936 (with subsequent Palestinian "displacement"). The Palestinians realised that their loss of land and repression was going to continue and get even worse. Your statement about "Arabs wanting the land of jewish families who had been there for hundreds of years", is pure bunk! In fact, quite the opposite is true. The massive Zionist immigration was displacing Palestinian FAMILIES who had lived on the land for hundreds of years. The British reaction to the 1936 Uprising was immediate and harsh. Martial law was declared and anyone suspected of organizing or sympathizing with the general strike or other resistance, were detained and their houses blown up. Does that tactic sound familiar? After WWII, the Zionists pulled out all the stops and turned on the British. They took what they wanted by force of arms. And the feud has continued to this day! DaMan |
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Posted: 2/21/2002 9:43:37 AM EDT
[#39]
Quoted: BY: DaMan (Paraphrase) [i]It’s ok to murder entire families with an ax, as long as their culture is different than yours.[/i] Gee, I don't remember saying anything like that! If you'd like to "quote" me, Instant_Karma, please do so. Just don't type in your thoughts and try to attribute them to me! DaMan |
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Posted: 2/21/2002 10:11:55 AM EDT
[#40]
DaMan, you forgot to mention the "Balfour Declaration", which was a result of a deal cut between the great european banking houses (read Jewish), and the british govt. Deal was, if brits would issue a policy statement supporting a jewish homeland, the bankers would stop supporting the German war machine during ww1....
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Posted: 2/21/2002 11:30:56 AM EDT
[#41]
Post from DaMan -
After WWII, the Zionists pulled out all the stops and turned on the British. [u]They took what they wanted by force of arms[/u]. Wrong, wrong, wrong! They got what they wanted by virtue of UN Resolution 181 and the Truman Administration's prompt recognition of their newly declared state! [b][u]They held onto what was given them by force of arms![/u][/b] Quite a difference, there! So get it right! Eric The(Historical)Hun[>]:)] |
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Posted: 2/21/2002 12:28:17 PM EDT
[#42]
Quoted: Post from DaMan - After WWII, the Zionists pulled out all the stops and turned on the British. [u]They took what they wanted by force of arms[/u]. Wrong, wrong, wrong! They got what they wanted by virtue of UN Resolution 181 and the Truman Administration's prompt recognition of their newly declared state! OH, I FEEL SOOOOOO SILLY! I always thought WWII ended in 1945 and Resolution 181 of the United Nations wasn't passed until November 1947! Now what could have happened in the meantime? Irgun and Stern gangs doing nasty stuff at that time? Bombing of the King David Hotel...... wasn't that 1946??!!! Whoah! No force of arms there! [:P] Yes, Eric! Let's be perfectly accurate! [:P] [url]http://www.britains-smallwars.com/Palestine/kidnap.htm[/url] DaMan |
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Posted: 2/21/2002 12:45:35 PM EDT
[#43]
Quoted: *snip* The British had kept the Zionist immigration and the Palestinian displacement "under control" (meaning to levels where the Palestinians wouldn't revolt). But events in Europe (in Poland and Germany) lead to a massive increase in Zionist immigration in 1935-1936 *snip* [i] from "Righteous Victims" by Benny Morris: [/i] In the period between 1934-38 about 40.000 Jews illegally entered in Palestine, plus other 9.000 up to September 1939. Buht less than 16.000 came in the six following years, when the need of a "sanctuary" was stronger" (history sources: Wallach, McCarthy.) BEEEEEP! Wrong statement DaMan... |
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Posted: 2/21/2002 1:04:37 PM EDT
[#44]
Quoted: Quoted: *snip* The British had kept the Zionist immigration and the Palestinian displacement "under control" (meaning to levels where the Palestinians wouldn't revolt). But events in Europe (in Poland and Germany) lead to a massive increase in Zionist immigration in 1935-1936 *snip* [i] from "Righteous Victims" by Benny Morris: [/i] In the period between 1934-38 about 40.000 Jews [b]illegally[/b] entered in Palestine, plus other 9.000 up to September 1939. Buht less than 16.000 came in the six following years, when the need of a "sanctuary" was stronger" (history sources: Wallach, McCarthy.) BEEEEEP! Wrong statement DaMan... Paolo, read your statement above! Do you NOW see the difference between my statement and Mr. Wallach's??!! His words.... those who entered ILLEGALLY! Not the correct figures for total number of immigrants! You make my arguement! DaMan |
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Posted: 2/21/2002 1:32:24 PM EDT
[#45]
Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: *snip* The British had kept the Zionist immigration and the Palestinian displacement "under control" (meaning to levels where the Palestinians wouldn't revolt). But events in Europe (in Poland and Germany) lead to a massive increase in Zionist immigration in 1935-1936 *snip* [i] from "Righteous Victims" by Benny Morris: [/i] In the period between 1934-38 about 40.000 Jews [b]illegally[/b] entered in Palestine, plus other 9.000 up to September 1939. Buht less than 16.000 came in the six following years, when the need of a "sanctuary" was stronger" (history sources: Wallach, McCarthy.) BEEEEEP! Wrong statement DaMan... Paolo, read your statement above! Do you NOW see the difference between my statement and Mr. Wallach's??!! His words.... those who entered ILLEGALLY! Not the correct figures for total number of immigrants! You make my arguement! DaMan 1) "Illegal" immigration was something that was tolerated by the British up to the beginning of WWII. In the "White Book" issued by the Mandate authoriy the number of LEGAL permit, in the eve of the Holocaust, was reduced and not the contrary. 2) The jews were too much busy to be slaughtered to have any chance to immigrate, legally or illegally, to "Palestine"... |
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Posted: 2/21/2002 1:57:20 PM EDT
[#46]
Quoted: 1) "Illegal" immigration was something that was tolerated by the British up to the beginning of WWII. In the "White Book" issued by the Mandate authoriy the number of LEGAL permit, in the eve of the Holocaust, was reduced and not the contrary. 2) The jews were too much busy to be slaughtered to have any chance to immigrate, legally or illegally, to "Palestine"... And the Palestinians living there should just crawl in a hole and die!?? DaMan |
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Posted: 2/23/2002 12:46:01 PM EDT
[#47]
Quoted: Quoted: 1) "Illegal" immigration was something that was tolerated by the British up to the beginning of WWII. In the "White Book" issued by the Mandate authoriy the number of LEGAL permit, in the eve of the Holocaust, was reduced and not the contrary. 2) The jews were too much busy to be slaughtered to have any chance to immigrate, legally or illegally, to "Palestine"... And the Palestinians living there should just crawl in a hole and die!?? DaMan Can you explain me one thing? In 1947, in the plan to divide Palestine into two states, one Jewish and another one Arab, stated that Jerusalem wouldn't be jewish, but arabian and in Jerusalem Israel could keep only some jewish [i]enclaves[/i] (Mount Scopus and few others). The virtual govt. of Israel accepted, because they relized that starting to have a finally a home would be the best thing for the jewish people.They accepted, far before 1947, a division plan of the British that planned an even smaller Israel. Arafat, in the Camp David negotiation, with his refusal (and his cowardice to afford his own extremists, things that is facing now anyway) didn't show the same concern to his people. So, why on one side there is a concern for the condition of their own people and on the other no? And if Arafat has no concern for Palestinians, why Israel should have? Thanks for your kind answer, dude... |
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Posted: 3/14/2002 11:12:52 AM EDT
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Quoted: Yes, it won't be the last time it's tried, but knowing the Israelis as well as we do, it will be the last time it's successful. Eric The(Realistic)Hun [size=3]Israeli PM Orders Pullout, U.S. Envoy Flies In[/size=3] Thu Mar 14, 1:58 PM ET By Timothy Heritage JERUSALEM (Reuters) - Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon ...... etc. etc......... Further down in the article....... "[b]Palestinian militants blew up an Israeli Merkava-3 tank in the Gaza Strip early on Thursday, killing three soldiers as they accompanied a convoy of Jewish settlers.[/b]" A second Mercava, Eric! It seems it's becoming "habit forming!" Eat your words, Eric! [:P] DaMan |
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Posted: 3/14/2002 11:17:38 AM EDT
[#49]
Pure troll, Daman. Thread locked as per Board Rule 6.
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